Greeks keep on voting for everyone who promises them to he'll keep on spending. Until there's nobody left to lend Greece anymore money, that is.

Georgaki had it great being on the opposition. He didn't have to provide leadership, just shoot his mouth off. Now he has to come up with solutions and it's not going to be easy. Adding $ 3 Billion to the Greek national debt so he doesn't have to cut spending on his favorite programs is simply idiotic, but that's what Greeks want. Not solutions, just more putting off the day of reckoning.

Landos we owe up to 100% of our GDP with a deficit of 7-8%.If we don`t take serious
measures and fix our economy in a matter of 4-5 years we will beg IMF like Turks to save
our collapsing economy.

We must limit corruption and waste of public spending.

"We must limit corruption and waste of public spending."

I agree, but you're not going to get that with Papandreou. He's already stated his 'plan' for fixing the economy is BORROWING AND SPENDING MORE MONEY. That's not addressing the problems, it's just adding more debt.

This guy is the wrong guy for the times, but Greeks never look past their own noses when it comes to voting. They just want to get their 'slow' cousin Niko a civil servant job so he won't embarass the family and starve. PASOK will do that, ND is less likely to.

Who's going to pay the debt off? Hey, why worry about that?! Let the next generation solve that problem! Let's have a Frappe, smoke some cigarettes and watch girls!

That`s true Landos,we had to minimise our public sector and instead we get more and more employes
for our public services.We must minimise corruption but we do nothing.

Don`t blame Parandreoy or Karamanlis on that,people are just lazy and have an idiotic way of thinking
that the state will feed them while they`ll do minila work if any...

come on guys....

same **** different day...

their cut from the same cloth, sold to the same political forces...

we need new leadership, younger new leaders who are prepared to think of Greece first and who don't bend over to the US or the EU, taking the Greek people with them every time their asked.....

Watch this space, I believe Dora will eventually lead New Democracy, i have a feeling that Papandreou will **** things up and will be toppled internally....not necessarily a bad thing.....i would like to see a stronger more idealistic leader come through the ranks, like Venizelos etc....

sick of the same two families, three if you toss in Mitsotakis and his rotten seed...

i honestly feel Greece with these two parties has no direction, no vision, no geopolitical strategy or goals.....

The truth is Greece has NO political leadership. There are so many problems (economic and social) facing Greece that it is frightening to be honest. Neither PASOK or ND are capable of doing anything. The ONLY bet is to follow (strictly) an economic plan presented by the EU. That is why I don't think it makes a difference if ND or PASOK are in power as they have to follow the same austerity plans.

Personally I hope the economy goes bankrupt (it's almost there), so I can buy assets (specifically real estate) for cheap.

The smugness of so many people in Greece really turns me off, upsets me, but at the same time makes me laugh. The country is so fvcked yet they vote in socialist that helped fvck it. I no longer debate with friends and family from Greece on political matters. They simple know everything (but if they actually knew so much the country wouldn't be the disgrace it is right now).

Doesn't anyone see a problem with Greece being a "heriditary democracy"? Don't they see anything wrong with the huge levels of debt? Don't they see problems with a party that FVCKED Greece for so long back in power?

As for the turks, don't be too happy or negative, because your country is even more fvcked.

Greek democracy Chosing between bad and evil.

Now a lot of ND officials in public sectors are going to be replaced by Pasok officials. All these officials will run a new corruption rally to enrich themselves.

Greece will lower the pants to their heels and bendover evenmore to the EU to grant them some more bakhsis.

Sell out of state property (in the name of privatizing) will take a leap.


Georgiaki will come with broken knees and concessions to Turkey, we love Georgiaki

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Turkiye Turklerindir

Concessions to Turkey?

The crazy inbred midget keyboard warriors at it again.

I don't like PASOK, but they don't make concessions to the Turks. Never have, never will.

Greece is in rough shapre right now, but Turkey is royally fvcked. As a third worlder - because that's what Turks are - I won't accept any critique from you. From a German, Austrian or Frenchman yes, but not from a third worlder.

lol

Turcos should remember who was greek foreign minister when greece brought cyprus into EU,lol.

Karamanlis resign from the post of party leader of ND. ND future uncertain.
Until now 160 seats for PASOK in Bouli and the luxury to form one-party government for mister Papandreou.

Until now KKE get only 20 seats but remain 3th party.

http://www.in.gr/news/elections2009/

***The only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing***

Until now 5 parties in Bouli:

PASOK: 160 seats
ND: 93 seats
KKE: 20 seats
LAOS: 15 seats
SYRIZA: 12 seats

Note: Only minor changes are possible.

***The only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing***

Indeed very bad night for nea dimokratia.
Only good news;
PASOK will not need SYRIZA leftists to form gouvernment.
For the rest,lets hope Geoffrey will not be the amerikanaki he is supposed to be.
Otherwise pipeline yok,BMP-3 yok.Rafale yok,EF2000 yok.
Instead we will go for F-16 yet and F-35 later.

@yannisGR

***For the rest,lets hope Geoffrey will not be the amerikanaki he is supposed to be. ***

I also hope so aderfe mou.

***The only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing***

BTW by now the PASOK majority sth Boulh seems to be even more stronger than the former ND majority. ND had 152 seats in the former parliament and PASOK gather 160 by now. This mean the new government will be more strong and stable and this is good news for Greece, no matter of the party colour.

***The only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing***

160 seats is very stable.
This is problem,lol.
Cause PASOK wil never go for early election as Nea Dimokratia did during their times 1990-1993 and 2004-2009.
The country may sink but PASOK does not care as long they have power.

More than everything lets hope is is more like his father than like this leftist Simitis.

Stability is the most important thing during wartime and Greece will need most of all inner stability in the coming war period. This was the true reason behind those elections made by a responsible leader like Kostas Karamanlis. He was a satrap of the "Great king" (US), but still was a brave man who loved his country.

***More than everything lets hope is is more like his father than like this leftist Simitis.***

LOOL I can not agree with this comment, but it does not mean that I approve Simitis.



***The only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing***

twiddle dumb and twiddle dee!

nothing will change as change is not wanted!

greece has more potential than an arab with an education,problem is vision is with held from greece by her leadership.this is the reality.

I congrat the winner in those elections with the song...




***The only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing***

Foreign policy will not change much, because it's formulated mainly by career civil servants. Georgaki will mess with it at his peril.

As for domestic policy the best thing that could happen is for lending institutions to flip-off PASOK when they try and borrow more money to spend on their programs. No money, no spending. Greece has enough debt, it's time to continue cutting back spending. I don't care which party does it as long as it continues to do it. The days of socialism are over with.

as far as managing the economy goes its no different than an individual managing his own personal finances.

i remember when i was young and got my first job i complained to my old man about how little i earned as it wasnt enough to allow me to buy the things i wanted.my father replied"its not about how much one earns ,its about how one manages it"

and here is the problem with greek spending,it doesnt matter that they spend,its more like where they spend it on.

Consecutive PASOK governments showed they couldn't control spending. ND tried to reign in spending, but their efforts were hamstrung by the worse economic recession in 50 years.

Best thing to happen would be for private banks to refuse to lend more money to Greece. Cut Georgaki off at the revenue side. Force him to keep on cutting spending. He'll never do it without that discipline.

the best that can happen is to bring back the death penalty for corruption!,then we'll see if those highly educated beaurocrates make those alledged mistakes and misjudgements,then we'll see if they want the top job for the chicken fees it pays or if its for the alteria motives.

there is nothing more determined than a greek  with conviction and nothing more woeful than a complacent greek.

 

 

As it was expected Greek people are not mature yet to understand that voting thieves and liars , voting the 2 big parties and certain families is something against democracy.

they had been acting and they continue to do so like slaves and idiots.

Congratulations animals for bringing back to power PASOK who had been robbering our country for 20 years, their arrogance and their lies lead our country in this point and Karamanlis later on finished off what had remained intact by his extreme honesty.

you are worthy for your own leaders and your own fate

i just feel bad about those who did not vote for the 2 big parties and will be forced to watch their country to be destroyed due to the stupidity of the majority

all those years you have learned nothing, you are corrupted and pathetic you dont deserve to be called Greeks you are Ottoman slaves.

Unfortunately dark times are waiting our country under the leadership of George Papandreou and Pasok.

We enter an era where the financial destruction cannot be prevented anymore, dark days lie ahead of our nation and those who voted like animals PASOK they will come to a point that they will dont have the money to buy the necessary for their families, unemployment and external debth will climb to the top

and our armed forces will be degraded.

 

So animals, you will soon understand what you have done to youselves and the rest of us, especially what you brought upon our country.

days of misery are waiting our nation, we have entered a situation that there is going to be no way back for us, i expect destruction and disaster to prevail everywhere.

 

Due to my extreme anger and biterness due to the current political situation in Greece i decided to abstain from participating in this forum for indefinite time.

 

ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

Some highlights in previous Pasok government:
- Pangalos kicked out due to blamage in foreign policies
- Limberis kicked out due to blamage during Kardak incident
- Simitis butkissed the US in front of the Greek parliament

Let the show continue where it stopped.....

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Turkiye Turklerindir

i find it funny Nutsak

when your AKP party is an even bigger collection of clowns, that you would dare to speak, but your IQ tends to drop 15 points when you open your mouth...

and thats granting the fact you didn't start with too many points to begin with....

A drop of my IQ by 15 points means it is still sky high above yours, so no worries my friend

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Turkiye Turklerindir

Congratulations to Georgaki, we like him in Turkey

A drop of my IQ by 15 points means it is still sky high above yours, so no worries my friend

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yes we have all seen how you flex your superior IQ....your a mental midget as well...loll

mine is fine buddy boy, i have had it tested many times, i am punching above my weight...

so i hope Nutsak Jnr along with his looks take his intelligence from his mum...

Sure you do my womanizer friend, your handsome Eddy the Eagle look, your hidden muscless and your Greek accent kills every pom. Who can doubt that

malaka

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Turkiye Turklerindir

Remember he is Clinton's and Obama's bitch boy. He is even taking parts from Obama's playbook, spend! But Greece can't print money like the US can. Guess Greece will be buying F35 now after all.

Thermopylai

 

as a new father, you should know better than to bring members' children into debates..both of you are proud fathers..

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"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born." -
-- Ronald Reagan

Congrats to Yorgo!

Artik darisi bizim basimiza



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"Ümidimi Allah'tan sonra İngiltere'ye bağladım" ~ "My hopes are pinned on Britannia, right after Allah"
~Mehmed VI Vahdettin

"Freedom and independence is my character."
~M. Kemal Ataturk

ebeni sikim

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"Due to my extreme anger and biterness due to the current political situation in Greece i decided to abstain from participating in this forum for indefinite time."


Bro, I'm as dissapointed as anyone but I won't change anything in my life because of this. Stay in the forum.

Lanods.. why do you even reply or post with anthing to do with Greece?
as you knwo **** all about the country, culture and problems.

do you know to take a loan from teh bank the interest rate is around 20%.. the highest in the EU?

do you know that in other europen countries during the economic crisis the governemnts are freezing depths for the next 6 months.. and forcing banks to lower interest rates while we still have to pay back 20%!?

GO Yiorgos GO.

A bright future lays ahead for us Greek brothers !!!!!



"Tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,

that here obedient to their laws we lie"

What are you paying 20% a credit card?

"do you know to take a loan from teh bank the interest rate is around 20%.. the highest in the EU?

do you know that in other europen countries during the economic crisis the governemnts are freezing depths for the next 6 months.. and forcing banks to lower interest rates while we still have to pay back 20%!?"


What bank is charging 20% for a loan? (Credit Cards are not bank loans).

What European countries are freezing debts? How many countries? Which debts? For whom?

Since Greeks are so stupid in voting, then only solution again is for a temporary dictatorship. What knucklhead voters bringing to power such a leftist moron.

Today im almost embarressed to call myself a Greek, time to reep what you sow.

Almost embarrased?

If I where Greek I wouldn't put of the paperback of my head since birth




Jokes aside, Georgaki can't be that bad. He should just abandone the army and create more funds.

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Turkiye Turklerindir

Erdogan is giving away Kurdistan, flipping off the Azeris and giving back north Cyprus and you're laughing at Greek politics?? You're a moron.

"Jokes aside, Georgaki can't be that bad. He should just abandone the army and create more funds."


Ive said it before and I'll say it again, PASOK NEVER abondones the armed forces. They actually spend more than ND on the army. There are "commissions" paid on weapons deals, and there's nothing "socialists" love more than millions in Swiss bank accounts.

Actually to me, it seems that the idiocy of the Greek voter cannot even be compared to the idiocy of ours. Look at the people we elect! LOL

"Actually to me, it seems that the idiocy of the Greek voter cannot even be compared to the idiocy of ours. Look at the people we elect! LOL"


PASOK is bad, real bad. But so are most Greek politicians. Come on, grandfather, son, and grandson as Prime Ministers? (and Karamanlis and his uncle). In what other Western country does this sort of shi t happen? Greece is run politically by a few "clans". It's pathetic.

I didn't say that Greek voters were "smart". They are just not as dumb as our voters.

I think the vast majority of voters world wide are brain dead. The thing is Greeks act smart (they fvcken know everything in Greece), meanwhile they're ruled by jerk-offs. You can't be that fuvcken smart if you just got the third generation of the Papandreou clan ruling you.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>.The thing is Greeks act smart (they fvcken know everything in Greece), meanwhile they're ruled by jerk-offs<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <br>


Fvckin-A!



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

If Greece doesn't do something about this, it will become another SYria or Egypt, politically. It's headed that way anyway with these 2 families running Greece for most of the years since the 1950's!



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

What's a Greek voter supposed to do? The two main parties serve up their Karamanlis/Papandreou/Mitsotakis crap candidates and you either vote for them or for some third party that his little to no chance of making any difference.

More than anyone I blame the Greek media. The wealthy families that own the major newspapers and media are more to blame than anything else for the state of Greek politics. They promote those candidates. They give them favorable coverage, publicity, push their interests.

If the Media power centers in Greece really wanted good candidates running for office the Greek people would get them. They don't. What does that tell you?

Why do you think so many Greeks have flipped off the Old Country and moved abroad? If you aren't on top in Greece the powers-that-be that are will assure you never get there. They don't want the competition.