We all go on about winning a war between each other.

If it really did happen and you lost how would you deal with it???

Would you avoid WAFF, would you ignore your Greek/Turkish friends if you have any???


I personally think it would seriously affect me and my pride.

Being defeated in a war against you is impossible thing for us in accordance with our ideology-perspective so It is unmeaningful to think after-defeat stories for us as well....

Completely agree ^^^



Proud Muslim Kemalist
Gururlu Müslüman Atatürkçü.

The Greeks always find a way to transform epic defeats into mythical victories

"I personally think it would seriously affect me and my pride."


That explains why the Majority of Griks make up stories..

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I agree...Losing to grease in war is impossible for Turkey!





NCR called Turks uneducated and yobaz's "First of all, winning the votes the majority of the population, which I specifically like to define as "YOBAZ"
(can be compared to the Neo-Conservative morons in the United states) does not imply that the entire nation
supports AKP, and it does not imply that those that to support it are the smartest and most educated people in Turkey."

"Greeks invented sex but TURKS introduced it to women" - Hirotidos Papadopoulos (1452-Just before Istanbul fell to the Turks)

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"I personally think it would seriously affect me and my pride."

This is what your forefathers experienced, and your nightmare didn't end for almst 1,000 years after you first met us.
When you lose a war against us, you will understand your forefathers better, you will actually understand "being Greek" much better.

To answer your question, no it is not possible... The question to us Turks is like what would happen if your aunt grew beard. LOL

Um you morons know that Turkey has lost many wars,right?In the Othoman years but u have lost many.

Russians used to rape u badly.Many times.

Well Russian history is full of rapes by Tatars/Turks, so the situation is still not like Greece vs Turkey which is very one sided.

"Being defeated in a war against you is impossible thing for us in accordance with our ideology-perspective so It is unmeaningful to think after-defeat stories for us as well...."

I agree. In the Greek revolution the Klingons beat you. In the 1st Balkan War you didn't get crushed by the Greeks, but instead Martians invaded Ottoman territory.


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Emperors of the Romans, Vandals, and all of Anatolia.

Cmon the Turks never lose..

Well Russian history is full of rapes by Tatars/Turks, so the situation is still not like Greece vs Turkey which is very one sided.
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Greece won the two most important wars with Turkey. Greek Revolution War(1821-29), 1st Balkan War (1912-13). Turkish victories were of no territorial consequence with the exception of N Cyprus which is a small gain compared to Greek achievements.

Results of Greco-Turkish wars - Complete Greek ownage of the Turks



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LMAO, are you high on drugs???

No terriotiral consequence??? We have gained almost all territory of Byzantines, captured their capital and erased Gayreeks as a nation until 1821...

Also, the war in 1922 (Turkish Independence War) was of no territorial consequence? Come on dude! You are only kidding yourself by believing your own BULLSH*T. If Turks didn't pour the Gayreeks to the Izmir Bay, then you would probably have all of western Anatolia + Istanbul today (yes I am sure the allies would hand it to you eventually).

P.S: Btw, are you aware that the bastard holding the Turkish flag in your sig used that flag to draw many civilians only to kill them... You Gayreeks are such subhumans that even your heros are like this.

LMAO, are you high on drugs???

No terriotiral consequence??? We have gained almost all territory of Byzantines, captured their capital and erased Gayreeks as a nation until 1821...

Also, the war in 1922 (Turkish Independence War) was of no territorial consequence? Come on dude! You are only kidding yourself by believing your own BULLSH*T. If Turks didn't pour the Gayreeks to the Izmir Bay, then you would probably have all of western Anatolia + Istanbul today (yes I am sure the allies would hand it to you eventually).

P.S: Btw, are you aware that the bastard holding the Turkish flag in your sig used that flag to draw many civilians only to kill them... You Gayreeks are such subhumans that even your heros are like this.

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In medieval history of Byzantine-Turkish wars (1071-1460) Turks prevailed, no doubt. I am talking about the history of modern Greece, 1821-onwards.

When the war ended with a Turkish complete victory in Asia Minor, Greek troops were still in posession of the European part of Turkey. In terms of territory you gained nothing, and what is worse you had to negotiate with us the return of occupied territory in Lausanne.

If you call him a bastard, means he kicked a lot of Turkish a$$, no? Look at the women in the back. After killing their TMT husbands, EOKA-B militia broke into Turkish homes and forced them to watch him parade with the captured Turkish flag trhoughout Kaymakli. This man new how to inflict terror on Turcos.

In 1922 we negotiated with you??? LOL Are you trying to say that we didn't destroy your army in Asia Minor??? you must be kidding. IF WE LOST THE WAR ASIA MINOR WOULD BE YOURS. So does that mean there were no territorial consequences??? LOL don't be like the keminawh0re who says that Turkey actually lost the war in 1922 and gained land via treaties, you are only ridiculing yourself...

And that son of a b*tch may very well know how to inflict terror on Turks, afterall he was a terrorist. But the good thing is he has been PWNED in the end and your national hero has died without seeing what he desired for his country, Cyprus.

The phrase "destruction of the Greek army in Asia Minor" is in an overstatement. The 2nd Army Corps under Gen Frangou was indeed trapped and ceased to exist, the rest of the army retreated in good order carrying with them over 14,000 POW's to be exchanged with the men of Frangou. Below is a list of Turkish POW's from the Red Cross transported to Greece.

From 19 March to 4 May 1923, the commission directed the repatriation of 4,601 Turkish civilians, 320 Greek civilians, 9,748 Turkish soldiers and 293 officers, and a similar number of Greek officers and men. The remaining 5,000 Greek prisoners of war visited by the ICRC in June and July 1923 were repatriated by the commission after the peace treaty was signed. In total, 33,183 prisoners of war and civilian detainees were repatriated.
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/5GKE3D

And yes, Kemal negotiated with Venizelos over the Greek-occupied territory of Eastern Thrace still in Greek control in 1923. We avoided to pay war reparations in exchange for this land.

The rest of the army fled to the sea and swam all the way to Greece, yes I know that too. Btw please use your brain more. Having some Gayreek troops in Eastern Thrace still doesn't change the fact that 1922 was had territorial consequences... Btw, you were like puppets at that time so we actually negotiated with Britain who told you what to do. They knew that we would get Eastern Thrace + Istanbul (yes the army was walking towards there, ignoring the "stop" warnings of British soldiers, so they offered it to us, as they wanted to keep the islands... One big historical mistake was letting those islands go...

"This is what your forefathers experienced, and your nightmare didn't end for almst 1,000 years after you first met us.
When you lose a war against us, you will understand your forefathers better, you will actually understand "being Greek" much better.

To answer your question, no it is not possible... The question to us Turks is like what would happen if your aunt grew beard. LOL"



I bet my left nut that you're the leftover of converts and that your lineage in no way can be traced to the Turks that came from central Asia.

As for women with beards, I have seen both Greek and Turkish women with more facial hair than me, so you never know.

With respect to war, I hope Greece and Turkey NEVER fight again. I don't want children to be orphans, mothers to lose sons, and our countries to be sent back into the stone age.

If you are like most Greeks who lack balls, then sure you can bet one of them but if I were yu I wouldn't bet aything else because I have clear Asiatic features. As I had post before, this guy is a very very very close relative of mine. You can almost not tell the difference of him with a Central Asian:





I won't post a close up picture of my own face because of what some losers can do with photoshop.
Oh btw, I also bet my nut that you're a Turk leftover.

I agree with your opinion about war though.

@ EleftheriaHThanatos:

Your people had a good decade to build a solid military, but did not. You already lost.
Still your people blame the green manalishi with the two-pronged fangs, Greece, Turkey, "fanatics on both sides", Britain, UK, USA, Israel, everyone but yourselves.

You already lost, you still bitch and the waaaaaahhhh--bulance is always running at full speed.



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@ Nike

Im not referring to the Cyprus problem I meant in general!!

dispensing with emotions greece is a remarkable headache on a two front war.

Battles may possibly be lost and yet the war will be won eventually. If it is a just war from our point of view it may yet be shorter even.

If a war had been fought to an uninterrupted finale and you greeks were denied the benefit of western rescue...some of us will be dead and the rest will resent every minute wasted on WAFF...for reasons vaguely articulated on hollywood movies...

wolf, I have Spartan blood my friend. Where I'm from few invaders have stepped foot.

What part of Turkey are you from and do you live in?

And how old are you? I know this is "just the net", but you act like an imbecile with the IQ of a small child. Honestly man, what sort of formal education do you have?

Sure you are boy, sure you are... What is next? A new Greek myth will that will say the place you are from gathered 300 Spartans and defended against the Ottomans? LOL If you were smart you would let go of this "few invaders stepped foot on my land" BS, you sound funnier than the former Iraqi propaganda minister... Dude, put this into your small brain: Your insignificant country has been O-W-N-E-D for almost a millenia, and has been T-O-T-A-L-L-Y C-O-N-T-R-O-L-L-E-D AND P-W-N-Z-E-D for almost half a millenia.

And don't worry about my IQ and education. I have a bachelor degree and from Izmir... From the photo I had posted above you can tell how much "Turk" gene I have in me.

"Your insignificant country"

HAHAHAHAHAH

Oh man, what do I say to that? Honestly?

Greece has given the world infinitely more than the Turks have. Oh man, youre a funny guy, I give you that.

The only significance Turkey has is at IMF meetings.


HAHAHAHA a bachelor degree and from Izmir? HAHAHAHAh I guess a job at NASA isn't in the cards eh? Where's the degree from? University of North Western Anatolia State?

What do you do for a living? I hope you work for your dad or family, otherwise you are royally fvcked.

When you think it through you will realize it dude. It might take a bit longer since you seem really TOO DUMB even for a Gayreek: The times Gayreece was important was LOOOOONG ago. (almost a millenium ago lol) Right now it literally is an insignificant country. Think this through a few days, maybe you will be able to understand.

Don't worry about me my funny friend, I have my own business, and my degree is from Bilkent University (Ankara) business administration. What do you do for a living so far away from Gayreece, clean toilettes?

^^^

you really are a major tool mate...
stop acting like you have any IQ or originality , your one more turkish buffoon amongst the myriad that have come this way....

you show the emotional and intellectual maturity of a lobotomised lab rat...all your responses, flaming aside which we all do, are at the gutter imbecile level...

if you have a masters/bachelors it only goes to show what a waste education is unless it seeds fertile ground....i.e. a brain with some intelligence...

i honestly hope most Turks underestimate the Greeks like you do....it will make it much easier....lol

Well there is a saying in Turkish which says in summary that when you tell the truth, you won't be liked.

I really do not wish to be liked by Gayreeks anyway.

Im with eleth, if TSK ever lost a war against against greece it would dramatically effect my pride.


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Im with eleth, if TSK ever lost a war against against greece it would dramatically effect my pride.
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One thing is certain, if this was the scenario, ALL OF YOU would disappear from this forum for at least 10 years and slowly in the year 2020, 2-3 Turks would re-emerge with different lognames and start their usual barking. You would be posting EXACTLY the same stuff Kafkaz-Azeri does, like "we are coming to Karbakh" "look at our new tanks" etc. Only this time you will be barking about "coming to Izmir".

You know, some times I think it is worth having a war just to see your faces afterwards. This spectacle would be priceless just like your reaction whith this photo below.

Some puzzy confuses us with a small Balkan nation that Gayrcee neighbors. Invading Izmir? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL That made my day... I will be personally waiting for you Gayreeks, please come lol.

"please come lol"

Make no differences but I personelly offer Gayreeks wait until our war monsters such as Altay and T-129, Milgem's, Aselsasn-Roketsan Air defence missiles, A-G guided bombs become operational to see the effectivenes of Turkish technology against your people. You know, I want to see a Cat-Mouse game...

After You have been defeated by us, We are going to call our products like "tested on Gayreks" to export them easier than current...

Kanumi, prior to 1919 your people were making similar bravado claims. One beautiful day in 1919, half the Greek army showed up in your city and I can assure you ALL OF YOU bowed your heads and watched the troops parade. Only exception was one brave Turkish journalist who opened fire, the rest of you did nothing.

Just a historical reminder before you hide under your mommy's skirt at the sight of Greek soldiers.

Was there any army to respond your troops in those days ? After We have been defeated in WW1, All Imperial forces attacked Turkey and try to divide us many pieces... All weapons had been collected and army had been seperated... At those conditions, How can you think to respond against Rat troops which has been attacked Turkish nation by the order of their masters Britain, While Ataturk is trying to collect our nation for only same aim ?

Cabatli, Turkish Army Mauser rifles were all ever the place. I remind you, your troops from the Carpathian Front and from Northern Iraq were intact. A few days after the landing, armed groups made their appearance in Aydin and exhanged fire with the Greek Army. We were surprised to see so many weapons so there goes your argument.

Fact is, Kanumi's ancestors were watching the Greek Army parading and I wouldn't be surprised if his grandmother was smiling at some handsome officer.

what happends if we both pound ourselves into oblivion and 50 years back in time and no one wins. War is stopped by our masters. Turks take a few uninhabited rocks and Greek army takes Edirne tmaybe Takeredag?? Cyprus is a stalemate.

"When you think it through you will realize it dude. It might take a bit longer since you seem really TOO DUMB even for a Gayreek: The times Gayreece was important was LOOOOONG ago. (almost a millenium ago lol) Right now it literally is an insignificant country. Think this through a few days, maybe you will be able to understand.

Don't worry about me my funny friend, I have my own business, and my degree is from Bilkent University (Ankara) business administration. What do you do for a living so far away from Gayreece, clean toilettes?"




I have a BA (poli sce and economics), MBA (Finance), and am a real estate broker. I'm also involved in other businesses but I'm not going to get into it here. So what business do you have? Selling souvenirs to Greek tourists in Izmir?

Switzerland, Norway, and Finland can be considered "insignificant", but the average person lives well. India, Brazil, and China are "significant" and the average person does not live well. Do you see my point? The average Turk is a third worlder, whereas the average Greek is not. Hopefully that sinks through that thick skull, but I doubt it.

Idiot Barba, of course I am not happy with the "average" Turk income, I would want MUCH MUCH better for my own people. I'm not denying this fact, but this is a MILTARY forum and average income does not mean anything alone for the military of that country. If it meant that would mean Luxemburg would PWN USA...

VIIPuzzyDiv, My grandparents from both sides aren't originally from Izmir, so there goes your wishes. I would advise you to stop believing in Greek BS (Turks had rifles but didn't use them bla bla...) but you won't listen anyway... What I do want you to think about is this:
You Gayreeks are so dumb, you can talk about a LOST WAR to say something bad about us... The example you gave (when Gayreek Army invaded Izmir) to mock us is really funny. It is like an Italian mocking you about invading Gayreece during the 2WW, but losing the war against you... Think it through my kid, YOU LOST that war, you got PWNED.

Kanumi, don't compare the Greek-Italian war with the Greek-Turkish one. The Italians invaded a small slice of Greece for a week and then driven back to Albania with heavy loses, and from invaders ended up defending Central Albania. Very one sided war. On the other hand you had the Greeks invading deeper and deeper all the way to Ankara for 3 whole years. After exhaustion and supply line limitations the Greek Army was pushed back to the Aegean, but nonetheless, ceasifire found our side with posession of Turkish territory in Thrace. This is an aspect of the war you intentionally hide.

Yeah Gayreeks always have excuses for the wars they got PWNED right? How unlucky you are... If you write together ALL the wars that you lost to Turks starting from 1071 and write down the excuses next to them, one would think that Gayreeks are such unlucky coz they would still be owning with Byzantine Empire today LOL.

On the other hand, you never think of the Turkish excuse (infact better to say "reason") for letting you go in deeper to Anatolia... WE HAD JUST FVCKING LOST THE WW1 and the army was disbanded! LOL In the end though, yes 3 years is long for us (although when compared to the time that you were "occupied" it is so tiny), but in the end, I repeat it once again: YOU LOST THAT WAR! YOU GOT PWNZED! You you can still mock us about your march/progress PRIOR TO LOSING THE WAR! lol it is amazing. I am sure that in the whole world, only a Greek would do this.

Idiot, when a nation 7 times smaller your size, attacks you, occupies your western part of your country and directly threatens you capital, and at the end of the war retains a smaller size of your country, you talk about pwnage?

In 1821 we were fighting around Athens and 100 years later we were attacking Ankara and you have the audacity to mock us. Maybe Byzantium was a weak opponent but the modern Greek state that emerged from the ashes is the absolute winner.

Now prepare for another great pwndage. Do you think that our population was really 7 times more than yours at that time??? I'll leave it to you and post the estimated population of both countries at that time... If not, jsut admit that you got PWNED...

Btw you hadn't "retained" anything. The Turkish Army (you can call this a new army formed by Ataturk) was only in western Anatolia to pour your army to the sea... No army faced your units in Thrace, no fight took place... if peace treaty wasn't signed, they would get pwnzed like their brothers down more south...

Btw we are not mocking you JUST BECAUSE of 1922. We are mocking you for all the wars till 1071.
Byzantines were a weak opponent??? LOL we made them weak... It was an EMPIRE who had OUTNUMBERED us (even western sources accept it for big battles such as Manzikert), got borders all the way to LAKE VAN LOL, and some nomads kicked your asses, slowly made your empire weaker and weaker, slowly but surely PWNING you more and more and in the end they destroyed you. Now who wouldn't mock with this!?

Good PWNDAGE today, I can now go to sleep
Hey 7th Puzzy, don't forget to post population of both countries back then.

what a bunch of turco rats

You islamic pedophile worshipping cockroaches only won wars where you have overwhelming odds in your favor

Today's war stupud turcos, doesnt matter how many cockroaches you throw at us or how big your laughable military industry you rats think you have, pound for pound we are stronger and smarter than you.

this question is stupid (surprising comming from a hellenic brother) there is no way turcos will win any war against us, let alone against any one else, because they simply dont have overwhelming odds any more

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Hey puzzy, did you research??? Did we have 7 times more population than you in 1920's??? I am still waiting for you to post the populations.

dude,its controvercial enough today as to what the size and composition of turkeys population

is today let alone almost a century ago,suffice to say that hellenes were always outnumbered.

Right, even your EMPIRE was outnumbered in Manzikert and in other wars vs nomads eh??? Make some research about it.

I'm not saying that in 1920's we had less population, but certainly wasn't 7 times more as Pzzy claimed hence his OWNAGE... It was roughly 2 times the Gayreek population.

truth of the matter is hellenes were always outnumbered in evry war we fought against you and practicly against evryone else as well,from antiquity to present.

OK, then for example please present us the numbers of Manzikert war... With a source of course (preferably non-Greek )

how can you be so certain there were less turks?

its bad enough most turks cant count today,it was even worse back then.

How can I be certain? Because I read history... And not only from Turkish sources, but from western sources as well. Anyway, I am waiting for you to post the numbers...

 "I am waiting for you to post the numbers..."

 

honestly i couldnt be fuked with the numbers! i was out numbered  in a fist fight

and never counted them,was it 6,7,or 8?.turks are known not to attack anyone who outnumbers them,unless they count wrong.

It is always easy to BULLSH*T without knowing anything dude... Let me give you a hint:
"Edward Gibbons" claims Byzantine Army in that battle was the largest army ever fielded by the Roman Empire, East or West. Maybe you should do some research.

BIG FUKKING DEAL!!

biggest the romans ever had,BUT was it bigger than your army??

P.S,"Edward Gibbons",sounds like an electerol vote counter from florida,they cant count for shiit down there!

OK one more...
What about Fuller, J. F. C. the author of "A Military History of the Western World".

I know for example that Turkish/Muslim sources give much higher numbers for Byzantine Army but I also like to readh what the western sources say... Here is a quote for example:

Contemporary Moslem sources cite numbers between 200,000 and 400,000, but those are certainly outrageously high. It was considerable in size, according to J. F. C. Fuller, and probably was larger than that fielded by the Seljuks, at least at first.

Show me one reliable source which openly claims that the Seljuks outnumbered the Byzantines. It cannot be a Gayreek source of course.

" probably was larger than that fielded by the Seljuks, at least at first. "

 

sounds like a self contradiction and a bit of a dissclaimer."at least at first"

perhaps he didnt initially  count the reserves or follow on forces,very very

ambigeous. 

LOL yeah always a BS response, always a BS excuse from Gayreeks.. What about John Haldon, who also has a book about this and is a professor. He estimates the numbers as 40,000 (Byz) vs 30,000 (Sel). Yeah of course you will have something to say against this too, so why the fvck am I bothering??? I should let the Gayreeks keep dreaming and self delluding themselves... Why should I care? LOL

You know what? OK dude, you actually had 300 Spartans on that battle vs hordes of Seljuks. Happy now?

it was actually 250 spartans but whos counting.

besides didnt the seljuks fight the rum forces at half strength,ie all the seljuk forces in their entirety attacking the rum army at half strength each time?,or is that just a minor detail?

 

LOL, the idiocy of Byzantine generals is not our fault is it??? Besides, according to some western sources the army that was split was 70,000 so this means that the Seljuks beat 2 armies which each had about same men as their own army... Also, Manzikert was not the only war that the Byzantines had more numbers, Seljuks raped your Gayreeks more than once and the Gayreeks claiming that Byzantines were always outnumbered are a laughing stock for the whole world, especially to the people with at least some historical knowledge.

during a war and epsecially after a defeat i believe that we would have more to care about than waff or our supposed Turkish friends.



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