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October 12 2009 at 4:16 PM

MANOTAURUS  (Login KORNET-E)
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Greece with its new generation Helios 2 military surveillance satellite, can detect the launch of missiles, the course of ships at sea, and the movement of Turkish military equipment on the ground. While superpower Turkey has some access to information from US satellites, and they can also buy imagery on the open market from Spot Image, DigitalGlobe, or others.

 
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The Conquerors (Turkey)

Re: Spy Satellites

October 12 2009, 5:07 PM 

Turkey has indeed been a bit behind in this field. We've purchased a lot of images from USA, Israel and some other NATO sources for military purposes. Turkey's Cukurova Holding owns a company called INTA SpaceTurk, which is a partner of GeoyEye that operates 3 remote sensing satellites and can image down to 50cm in resolution. In fact, your Aristotle University of Thessaloniki was in cooperation with INTA SpaceTurk to monitor and study the forest fires in Greece. Turkey has also launched two educational satellites (Bilsat and ITUpSAT-1) wuth earth monitoring capability, all or part of both were designed and manufactured by Turkish engineers.

In the meantime, Turkey is working on first two of its advanced military-dedicated remote sensing satellites, dubbed the "Gokturk" series. Agreement has already been signed with Italy's Telespazio, and the construction of Gokturk-1 is underway. Gokturk-2 is to be constructed at TAI facilities in Turkey.



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Re: Spy Satellites

October 12 2009, 5:09 PM 

How have you come to the conclusion that we have access to Helios 2 ? It is mostly a French programm with minor partners Belgium and Spain.

Greece didn't co finance that satellite so a suppose it has no access to it, it can only get images through the French government.

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Re: Spy Satellites

October 12 2009, 5:55 PM 

Listen to nakostybitch!

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The ground recieving station in greece does not exist,allthough it is in action,lol.
Seems like nackostyturco is same 3D bitch like his brothers in the east.

 
 


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Re: Spy Satellites

October 12 2009, 5:59 PM 

What are the spects of Greek ground control station Yannis? What are the capabilities, what kind of features you can use on this Sat ?

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Re: Spy Satellites

October 12 2009, 6:11 PM 

Greece is full partner(france,germany,spain,belgium,greece) in HELIOS programme(BOC) and in MUSIS.
Till yet greek MoD has share of 2,5% of whole programme.
Further details about capability etc are ofcourse top secret.
There are some other programmes to develpo spy satellites,indigenous as well together with international partners;

First;
(article from Kathimerini , 24 September 2005)

Greece looks to heavens for security
Satellites may offer protection

The government is considering launching a network of 12 lightweight satellites into orbit primarily to monitor Greeces borders for illegal immigration and construction, a source said yesterday.

The government source said a scientific study has been submitted to the Security Research Center (KEMEA), which belongs to the Public Order Ministry, on the proposed satellite network.

The ministry is leaning toward adopting the plan and is currently weighing other aspects of the project, including related costs and development issues, the source added.

The network of satellites would revolve between 400 to 800 kilometers above the earth much lower than other satellites, which usually orbit at about 36,000 kilometers.

The satellites will be neither expensive nor bulky; they will weigh about 50 kilograms or slightly more, depending on the satellites program, the source said.One of the networks main duties will be to monitor the countrys borders for illegal immigrants. Another would be to help determine where the countrys oil wealth lies.

Each year, Greece catches thousands of immigrants trying to sneak into the country as a means of moving on to other parts of Western Europe.

The migrants, who hail from countries such as as Iraq, often fall victim to people smugglers and enter the country under dangerous conditions.

The satellites will also be able to spot illegal buildings that have gone up without the necessary state permits.

Illegally constructed homes are a regular feature of the local real estate market and have been blamed for spurring arsonists to burn forested areas near cities each summer.

Critics say the government is aware of the problems associated with illegal construction, but lacks the political will to get rid of the illicit industry.

The cost of the project was not disclosed by the source, but officials say the European Union could help fund it.

The government could award most of the projects construction to local companies such as Hellenic Aerospace Industry (EAB).

Another programme;

GREECE JOINS MILITARY SATELLITE PRODUCTION

www.ansamed.it

(ANSAmed) - ATHENS, NOVEMBER 16 -
Greecés Intracom has joined leading Western contractors in a consortium to design and manufacture military communications satellites.
The consortium plans to target Greecés Defense Ministry for its first military satellite sale. Intracom has joined Francés Alcatel and the US firm Raytheon to produce military communications satellites. Greece has managed the Hellas Sat program, meant to provide the country with both civilian and military satellite communications.




 
 


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Re: Spy Satellites

October 12 2009, 8:19 PM 

of course greece financed hellios with several tens of millins and eqall access to it..

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Re: Spy Satellites

October 12 2009, 8:26 PM 

lol,no!

Nackostybitch knows better than greek MoD,don´t you know?

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http://www.spacenews.com/archive/archive09/musis_0608.html

Europe Faces Uphill Battle on Consolidated Recon Program

By PETER B. de SELDING
Space News Staff Writer
posted: 09 June 2009
04:14 pm ET

PARIS -- European defense officials are cautiously hopeful that the support recently given to a proposed European space-based reconnaissance system by the European Defence Agency (EDA) and the European Union will nudge the slow-moving project forward.

But these same officials say privately that the project, called the Multinational Space-Based Imaging System, or MUSIS, continues to face an uphill battle to overcome the hesitations of individual governments to place even a piece of their military reconnaissance capability into a common European arena.

European Union ministers on May 29 endorsed the MUSIS initiative taken by EDA, whose job will be to broaden the program's appeal in Europe by inviting other European Union nations to join it.

More than two years after being assigned the ambitious goal of a unified optical and radar system by the end of the next decade, MUSIS has evolved into a substantially more modest program in which multiple national programs are likely to remain, despite their cost and data-sharing inefficiencies, officials said.

The long-held axiom concerning space-based intelligence data is not shared, but exchanged remains true in Europe, especially since most of the most active nations in space-based Earth observation have only just recently fielded or financed their systems.

That is the case in Germany, whose five-satellite SAR-Lupe military radar reconnaissance constellation is already in orbit; and for Italy, whose Cosmo-Skymed radar system has three satellites in orbit and a fourth scheduled for launch in 2010.

It is also true of Spain, whose Paz radar satellite is scheduled for launch in 2012, with the Ingenio optical spacecraft to be in orbit a year later. These two satellites together are often referred to as Spain's Seosat project.

"When we started two years ago we had ambitious objectives" of trying to create a single European system, one French defense official involved in MUSIS said. "Now we are agreed that different nations will provide space components. We have an optical cooperation with Spain, Belgium, Greece and France, and we are ready to start a Phase B study of a future architecture. But there are different approaches as to how we federate the various components."

That has always been the issue with MUSIS. The problem now is that the window of opportunity for creating a pan-European space-reconnaissance architecture is closing because of deadlines in several nations, notably France, for deciding how to replace current space-based reconnaissance assets.

The pressure on MUSIS has been slightly reduced because the Helios 2A satellite, launched in December 2004, continues to operate without problems, according to French defense officials. Its Helios 2B successor, which had been scheduled for launch in early 2009, is now set for launch late this year. That gives France at least a little more time before it needs to freeze the design of the next-generation Helios system.

"By the end of 2009 we will need to converge [the different nations' views] on MUSIS, to decide on its overall design and to begin work on a common ground system," the French military official said. "I am confident we can get there."

A German defense official agreed. "Even if negotiations on this are very hard and we are finding some problems today, MUSIS is alive and we will create the system with the six nations."

Belgium, France, Germany, Greece, Italy and Spain are the six MUSIS partners. Earlier this decade these nations crafted a set of common operational requirements for a MUSIS system, but they have been unable to move quickly to the next step.

France pioneered the idea of a multinational space-based observation system by inviting other nations to join the Helios optical and infrared reconnaissance satellite program as junior partners. Belgium, Greece, Italy and Spain have agreed to take 2.5 percent stakes in Helios 2.

Italy and Spain were shareholders in the two-satellite Helios 1 system, and Spain has a 3 percent stake in France's two-satellite Pleiades high-resolution optical satellite system to be launched in 2010 and 2011. Belgium has a 4 percent share of Pleiades, Sweden has 3 percent and Austria has 0.4 percent.

Germany also has access to Helios 2 through a bilateral deal that gives French defense forces access to SAR-Lupe data. Each nation will have a ground station capable of receiving the other's imagery. Similarly, Italy and France have agreed on a sharing scheme between Helios and Italy's Cosmo-Skymed system.

But instead of leading toward greater cooperation and interdependence, the Helios experience whetted Spain's appetite for its own system. "It has been sometimes difficult to get information in a timely way, and crises don't wait," one Spanish defense official said about Spain's decision to build its own optical and radar system. "Full national autonomy is a clear requirement for us, and it permits us to [favor] our national industry. MUSIS started two years ago with a good idea for cooperation, where everyone shared the cost. Today it is very different, and MUSIS decisions must be at the political level."

 
 

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The Conquerors (Turkey)

Re: Spy Satellites

October 13 2009, 3:16 PM 

Re Manotaurus,

Greece with its new generation Helios 2 military surveillance satellite, can detect the launch of missiles, the course of ships at sea, and the movement of Turkish military equipment on the ground. While superpower Turkey has some access to information from US satellites, and they can also buy imagery on the open market from Spot Image, DigitalGlobe, or others.
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1)Detecting launch of missiles with the Helios 2 satellite (which is an optical imagery satellite) would be pure coincidence of taking a picture from the right spot at the right time.

2) Helios 2 images have a scan resolution of 0.85m (which translates in 1m pixel resolution), in panchromatic that is a pixel resolution of 35cm

3) Greece is using about 2.5% capacity of the Helios2 satellite and that is more than Greece is using for her own needs, so Greece has founded a company that is selling satellite pictures to private companies (also Turkish companies).
Company Information: Space Imaging Europe
Address: Egidon 13 & Seneka, Nea Kifissia 145 64 GREECE


Turkey is currently working on the Gokturk spy satellites
Gokturk 1 is made by Telespazio, to put in orbit in 2013 has about the same resolutions as Helios 2 (1m pixel resolution)

Gokturk 2 is indigenous, to be put into orbit in 2014 which will have a pixel resolution of 2.5m








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