Economically, politically and militarily is Israel an integral part of Turkeys foreign affairs (therefore US congress)! Could Turkey afford losing Israel in terms of military technology and support by the Jewish lobby. If so who would Turkey turn too for high tech military transfers? I know S.Korea is a major source of high Tech transfer but in my personal view Turkey needs other countries other than S.Korea for its high technology defense needs. Thank you for your responses!

How important is Armenia for Turkey?

To be honest, Israel has done more favours to Turkey than vice-versa.

The capture of Öcalan in Kenya, alone, was big enough.

It was also through the Ofeq satellite of Israel that we tracked the movements of Syria's SCUD missile batteries along the Turkish border during the crisis in 1998, which was caused by Öcalan's presence in Damascus (where his headquarters were located for many years.)

During the 1970s they also shared intelligence with Turkey against ASALA's movements in Lebanon and Syria. It was actually a Syrian Armenian who detonated the bomb at the Orly Airport in Paris.

Most of you probably weren't even born when ASALA received its first training at the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon from guess who: The PLO...

The current Islamist government in Turkey has an inferiority complex regarding all things of the past (pre-2002) and they enjoy "sabotaging" the pre-2002 doctrines of Turkey, including those of the Turkish foreign policy. They are acting like a bull in a china shop.

Turkey is trying to be friends with:

*) Syria (which still doesn't recognize that Hatay is a part of Turkey, which financially and militarily supported both the ASALA and the PKK, which harboured Öcalan in Damascus for decades)

*) Armenia (which claims the eastern half of Turkey in its constitution, which supports the former ASALA terrorists (some of whom are currently in the Armenian Parliament), which claims that Turkey committed genocide)

While Turkey is sabotaging its friendship with:

*) Israel (which helped Turkey in terms of intelligence both against the ASALA and against the PKK, which provided us with satellite intelligence against Syria's movements in 1998, which actually did most of the job during Öcalan's capture in Kenya, which lobbied on behalf of Turkey in the U.S. Senate against the Armenian and Greek lobbies, which shared with Turkey its know-how in UAVs, MBT armour, MBT smoothbore guns, F-4 and F-5 modernization, targeting pods, guided missile technology, etc.)

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Mate i have to agree with you in regards to Israel helping Turkey! Also why would Turkey Side with the Arabs especially Syria who helped finance the Pkk all theses years Militarily and financially. What benefit could Syria have for Turkey.....Military technology (NO) Economy (NO) In the International Political Arena (NO). Doesn't one have to look after ones interest first! Its beyond me.....

Also i Don't Agree with what Israel is doing with the Palestinians in fact it sickens me.....However if the Arabs don't give a flying f@#K about there own brothers, who made us there saviors!!

Does Syria recognize that Hatay is a part of Turkey?

No.

Did Armenia remove from its constitution the clause on "the liberation of Western Armenia"?

No.

Syria a Muslim state, is valuable to Turkey than Israeli Jewish state

"Mate i have to agree with you in regards to Israel helping Turkey! Also why would Turkey Side with the Arabs especially Syria who helped finance the Pkk all theses years Militarily and financially. What benefit could Syria have for Turkey.....Military technology (NO) Economy (NO) In the International Political Arena (NO). Doesn't one have to look after ones interest first! Its beyond me....."

Syria is on our border, a secure border is obviously very important, especially for Turkey. they have a negative world image so you can imagine how good Turkey will look if we can fix that problem and syria is like a billion times more likely to come under our influence than Israel. instead of us buying weapons from israel syria will almost have to buy from us. now, would I trade ties with Israel for Syria? sh;t no.

and bulls are pretty safe in china shops tuaf

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Freedom is never free.

Then why doesn't Syria the Muslim state recognize that Hatay is a part of Muslim Turkey?

Why did Muslim Syria support the ASALA and PKK, and harbour Öcalan in Damascus?

Why then is this government sacrificing so much for these countries who have no benefits what so ever...... yes we should be at peace with our neighbors but at what cost? loosing allies such as Israel which we can benefit from!

^well time will tell and this just the beginning

Never mind Israel:

Some Islamists, just to support the AKP's stance on Armenia, started to talk bad about the Azeris.

"Kalles" ve "güvenilmez" ülkelerle arkadaslik kurup, "kardes" ve "eski dost" ülkeleri satiyoruz

Both Assad's.. Hafez al-Assad (former & father) and Bashar Assad (current & son) are Alevi people part of the Ba'athist Party (secular Arab nationalist movement) so really they are not a real Muslim state.. although the majority of the population is religious Sunni's.. It's the population in the country that matters for Turkey, not the leading monkeys

Zamaninda Erbakan da ilk is Kaddafi'nin çadirina gidip kendisinden azar isitmisti

"Kalles" ve "güvenilmez" ülkelerle arkadaslik kurup, "kardes" ve "eski dost" ülkeleri satiyoruz

Katiliyorum Arkadas

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(I Concur)

Araplarda guvenilecek insanlarda degil arkadas!

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(Arabs aren't the most reliable people on the planet when it comes to politics)

My opinion on Israel is based more on a realistic approach.

- Israel has full support of the US and has a relative heavy weight in international politics
- Israel is the military superpower of her neighbourhood


Reconning with the above two facts I think it is important to maintain good relations with Israel, however Turkey should not allow nations like Israel and US to put a hypothec on Turkeys foreign affairs and relations with her neighbours.

Turkey is lately widening her sphere of influence and has made moves to bring Syria under our sphere. Although I don't like the AKP, her foreign policy moves (with the exceptance of Northern Iraq) seems right on track.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

Don't "generalize" the Arabs.

We have very good relations with Jordan, for example.

Among all the Arab states, only Syria (and Syrian-occupied Lebanon) has tried to sabotage Turkey so far by supporting the ASALA and PKK, and for an obvious reason: Hatay.

We have very good relations with all the other Arab states.

Even Saddam's Iraq used to cooperate with Turkey, in general.

Obviously, not as important as Turkey used to view the relationship. I understand what Turkey is doing right now:




1. Turkey is looking to become more assertive diplomatically/politically in the region.Turkey had to first define her national interests/goals and to take a more active leading role in the area and then a final decision has to be made in order to move forward. That decision , from what I see is that Turkey is starting to take a clear stance on which camp it is in , concerning the alliances in the region. Turkey is being very clear right now as to which camp it will now reside in and that is NOT with the U.S./Israeli camp with regards to Iran, the Palestinians and of course Syria. These issues have taken top priority these days for turkey, no doubt making them national priority. After all, how can Turkey take a real leading role (possibly creating a very strong moslem alliance)if her traditional main allies (U.S./Israel) have absolute and complete different interests in regards to that, than Turkey does?..........the answer is SHE CAN'T. So turkey has weighed the pro's and con's and has realized that the only way for power-expansion in the region is via her "Ottoman" way out of the old alliance.


2. If you look at a nation like turkey, she is potentially held back a bit , with respect to her goals. The U.S. and Israel , if you really look at it, KEEP Turkey somewhat politically "isolated" from her neighbors, in a way. Being a staunch U.S. ally over the years, Turkey was viewed in the region as an enemy. This has admittedly decreased now that Turkey is reaching out to her neighbors, taking advantage of opportunities to assist them or offering it. Turkey is IMO too large a nation to be just another member of an alliance that increasingly is differing with regards to national interests.

3. With the U.S./Israeli alliance having diametrically opposed national interests to that of Turkey, this alliance IMO is almost a thing of the past. They will still share a level of cooperation but I think that Turkey has made a decision which does not look to be changing. To the Kemalists, sorry but Attaturk was a great leader for your nation, unfortunately Kemalism does not fit in with the plans right now . Kemalism isn't accomadating to the mindset of the neighbors to the east and south, which turkey is courting. Turkey really is not a european nation, look , you are what you are and that is definitely not european. I don't mean that as swipe, overwhelmingly , it is the truth. Turkey cannot deny this anymore and has obviously realized that in order to reach a certain level of power, she sure the hell isn't going to do that by climbing up the ranks through European status. It will never happen, it isn't possible because not only is Turkey UNABLE to do so, it won't be permitted by most European nations, namely France and Germany. So thats it. IMO , turkey's only way for advancement in prestige and power to the next level is by looking to it's roots of it's last empire, and where her future is. If Greece were in such a position to seize an equivalent opportunity in one form or another, I would want her to do so.

I know some people might be offended (from both sides) but I am just being brutally honest.



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

i really don't understand why jews cry....

US created fundementalistic afghan movement to encounter communists in central asia... by time, snake changed its skin and bited the hand which feeds him. so what? thats nature of snake, thats why it crawls.

Jews loved and supported turkish pm more than anyone else. jewish media in turkey (dogan group) covered his every mistake, glorified him, spreaded his lies to everywhere. life was good when jews were buying turkish assets for cheap prices, life was good when blood sucking thief jew banks got licence to operate in turkey, now what? i really enjoy to watch fight between jews and turkey. let me say one thing for jews, if something happens to you again, don't come to lands of turks again. you are not welcomed anymore.

 

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I also agree about the huge support and coverage for the AKP back in 2002.

This party literally came from nowhere, its leader was even imprisoned.

Without some obvious support from the U.S. (for the sake of the Greater Middle East project) it would have been impossible. The "lost trillion" was probably also influential.

I think you guys are over reacting, there is no fight between Turkey and Israel.

There is only a move of Turkey saying halt to the US and Israel, don't push your policies upon me (wich I frankly agree with).

Turkey's biggest troubles emerged always because of US policies in the middle east, it affected us very much:

- The Iran-Iraq war (nobody denies anymore that it was US engineered) affected for a very long time our trade with our eastern neighbours
- Two gulf wars on Iraq affected us politically as well as economically
- The US policies on Iraq to create a Kurdish north affected us politically as well as economically
- The US emargo policy on Iran is still affecting us economically
- The US embargo on Syria is affecting us economically
etc. etc. I can name at least 10 more policies of the US that affects us.


In short US policies affect our economy the most although the US is not even our neighbour!

Turkey has slowly started a new course that conflicts with the US interests, being oil/gas trades with Russia and Iran, no visa policy and more economic cooperation with Syria, barring US companies more and more from weapon selections.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

current politic stream is arrabici..
because akp and other arrabci monkeys financed by oil rich arrabci sheikhs in the past.so they pay their greatfullness to sheiks.
actually l dont like israel too..

AA - NEW YORK - Amerikan Yahudi Kongresi, Başbakan Tayyip Erdoğan'a 'Cesaret Ödülü' verdi. New York'taki HSBC binasında düzenlenen törende konuşan Başbakan, Türklerle Yahudilerin yüzyıllar içinde yoğrulan dostluk ve güven ilişkilerinin yeni dünyadaki yansımasını burada gördüklerini belirterek, şu mesajları verdi:
İstanbul'daki terörist saldırılara uğrayan HSBC binası artık özgür ve uygar dünyanın uluslararası terörizmle mücadelesinde simgelerinden biri olmuştur.
Cesaret Ödülü'yle çağdışı terörist zihniyete şu güçlü mesaj iletiliyor: Teröre boyun eğmeyeceğiz ve terörü yeryüzünden silmek için dayanışma içinde olacağız.
Museviler kadar hepimiz için kutsal dini ibadet yerleri de hedef alınmıştır. Musevi dostlarımızın Türkiye'deki Musevi cemaatine ilişkin güvenlik endişesi duymasına gerek yok. Çünkü onlar bizim vatandaşlarımız.
Türkiye ile İsrail arasındaki dostluk, anlayış ve güven temelindeki ilişkiler daha da geliştirilebilir.
Ortadoğu'da salt askeri güç kullanımıyla çözüm bulunamaz. Türkiye üzerine düşeni yapmaya hazır.
Amerikan Yahudi Kongresi Başkanı Jacob Rosen, ise AB'nin Türkiye'ye müzakere tarihi vermesini isteyerek Türkiye'nin Batı için önemine işaret etti.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/haber.php?haberno=104127

in short: erdogan is awarded by david's star.

this medal is only awarded if you did utmost good for jew race. now what jews? now what?

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