I was wondering. The Turks have Azeris, central asian brothers (regarding DNA etc.). The Balkan and even Greece has a considerable amount of "Turkic" Greeks walking around.
But what about Greece? It aint the slavs or Armenia. Italy?? Guess not? It would not surprise me if the Turks were the most close to the Greeks..
Greeks probably don't know this, but in dare times I think Turks would be the #1 provider of aid headed their way. That's if we're not involved in the same conflict against them, of course, lol. Afterall, they're the minoriy that decided to keep following that Faggothox religion and refused to be enlightened with Islam. That's why their light will never shine again and sooner or later, they'll become a small, dark page in history books.
The person who started the thread is either an idiot or he is fishing in cloudy waters. An average person with a high school education knows that the Greek nation is unique. No close relatives, nothing.
im extremely religious!,i go to church at LEAST twice a year,i dont fuking swear much
never root the same chick more than a dozen or so times,always help others,particularly those that dont know how to gamble or have trouble getting laid(i point them to the nearest knock shop)
i go out of my way to help charities,i never charge them for more than 80% of what i normally charge for my services.i tolerate other opinions and people,i bashem after ive heard what they had to say and im a role model buisness man,cos no one avoids paying taxes like me
but above all else i never put down my religion to make others feel better about theirs!
Strangely enough, the closest thing that Greece has to a "brother" nation is turkey. The interchanges in music, cuisine, people and history have linked the 2 nations forever whether anyone likes it or not. BUT, that doesn't mean they are "brother" nations, as I said, it is closest that Greece HAS to one, which shows you just how different Greece is to the rest. This includes the language as well BTW, if anyone has ever looked at the language-tree , Greek is on a branch by itself, alone. It is in it's own "sub family" of languages. The only other languages that are even distantly related are Farsi and Armenian, how?, I have no idea but that is what I read.
A large percentage of Turks are our bastard RUM convert brothers. We are more alike then different. Maybe that's why we are so antagonistic against each other.
It is understandable that some Gayreeks see us as brother nation... Afterall they are the Ottoman leftovers and have significant Turkish genes left them from the invading Turks.
"What kind of (negative) outcome would a 'combined' Greece&Turkey have for Russia and the states?"
A big impact indeed! We would control sea lanes, oil pipe lines to Europe and trade from far East. A true regional power! In Greece we lack the numbers and the discipline to progress, in Turkey they lack the unity in their society and the backward eastern mentality. If we genocided the leftists in Greece and the Kurds seperated from turkey and formed a different isolated country...then the outcome would be a formidable super power.
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Re: Does Greece have a 'brother nation'
October 15 2009, 9:52 PM
I hope Our relations will become more closer than current in future and Finally, I honestly want to see a defence agreement which Greece is going to sign to order some Turkish products for their armed forces... but Supposing to become a strategic ally for those two country is only a stupidy.... We have lots of problems to overcome...
This message has been edited by cabatli_53 on Oct 15, 2009 9:53 PM
"If we genocided the leftists in Greece and the Kurds seperated from turkey and formed a different isolated country...then the outcome would be a formidable super power."
Let's do it. I'm in on one condition; we'll genocide the Kurds too, and keep the lands that we already have. Move the capital to Istanbul, build a new hige-ass parliament building, keep our flags but create a new confederate flag that is acceptable to both of us, make both Turkish and Greek the two official languages and all students must learn both in the school system, along with a third (foreign) language. Put all armed forces under a single joint Greek-Turkish command, combine the education system, police force, centralize healthcare and judiacry systems. Move some Turks into Greece and some Greeks to Turkey to help promote a homogeneous ethnic distribution, etc.
Then I think we could go ahead and get an aircraft carrier too.
What kind of problems exactly? I cannot imagine another country eating the same, singing the same, drinking the same and hence, ****ting the same. Despite talking 2 completely different languages, they have common words. The most and main difference is religion.
But i do agree, the superpowers just had too much to lose and decided to make sure the two nations would be in permanent "fight". And so they used extremist and ****ers (coup cyprus and fire ataturks house) to make this happen.
Personally, i do not think there are major obstacles for the two to tighten their relations. Greece shares much more with Turkey than any other nation.
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Re: Does Greece have a 'brother nation'
October 15 2009, 10:14 PM
Zwalaska, I don't think there is any other nation closer to Turkey then Azerbaijan and vice versa.
*Keep a standing army of over 1,000,000 soldiers. *Our navy would be the largest in the Mediterranean, undisputed! *Cyprus would automatically join the Greco-Turkish confederation, meaning complete control of all traffic in the East Mediterranean Sea. *Our army would be able to overrun anything any Middle Eastern nation (or a combination of them) may throw its way. *We'd have a very kick ass defense industry. Operate indigenous corvettes, frigates, MBTs, APCs, AIFVs, satellites, UAVs, transport aircraft and possibly even fighters. *Having several LPD/LHDs and a decent size aircraft carrier would be a must. *It'd become a true economic power, with a GDP of well above a TRILLION. That'd even increase very fast too! *We'd become the undisputed big-dog of the Balkans and Caucasia.
I was talking about Greece, not Turkey. Besides, azeris are shia and i wonder if they have the same habits as the Turks do. AND, they might be more Russian than one may think
Dolphins dominate (Login Kafkas-Azeri) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: Does Greece have a 'brother nation'
October 15 2009, 10:20 PM
If you talk about Greek perspective, then thats a different story...
The only Greek brother nation could have been Cyprus. But most their population are garbage Communist-Socialist clowns:
(That man above is actually the sad President of that rump of a state)
Many of these Zyprians do not consider themselves Greek at all, only Cypriot-Cypriot(to appease imagined Turkish Cypriots "brothers" --- in reality disgusting Mohammedan backstabbers and traitors).
Greece has its own share of anti-Western bastard leftists, but Cyprus really is a huge cesspool. In reality both Greece and Cyprus have allowed militarily defeated in the battlefield Stalinist-Leninists who still chant EAM-ELAS slogans, to become overall victors whom are considered poor victims of evil rightists and American plots that should have rightly won their respective Civil Wars. It is really sickening, the following Greek article describes the dire situation:
Eite apo enohes, eite apo symponia, eite apo diathesi symfiliosis, i elliniki koinonia ethese meta to 1974 toys ittimenoys toy Emfylioy peripoy se kathestos genikis asylias.
I anantirriti apodohi ton apopseon toys katesti tekmirio dimokratikotitas. I yiothetisi ton antilipseon toys apotelese kyriarho koinoniko kanona. Eno i diki toys ekdohi ton gegonoton ekselihthike stin kyriarhi anagnosi tis syghronis istorias mas. Oyte leksi gia to apokroystiko fortio poy koybaloysan stin plati toys. Shedon klaigame oloi mazi poy aytoi oi iroikoi anthropoi ehasan ton Emfylio! Ystera apo 25 hronia deksioy metemfyliakoy kratoys, to ekkremes pige stin alli akri. Etsi, i ideologiki kyriarhia tis kommoynistikis Aristeras egine mystiriodos apodekti apo ekatommyria polites poy den eihan kamia shesi me ton kommoynismo, oyte dianoithikan pote na psifisoyn toys kommoynistes. Kapos etsi omos i Ellada metetrapi (kai en merei paramenei) «i teleytaia kommoynistiki hora tis Eyropis».
Ayti akribos i asylia amfisbiteitai tora. Kai ayti tin eylogi amfisbitisi to KKE tin onomazei «antikommoynismo». Diabasa prohthes ena diselido katebato toy M. Maili ston «Rizospasti» peri «antikommoynismoy». Ypopsiazomai oti ola osa parathetei os «simeia enohlisis» toy KKE einai proshimatika. Alloste ti soi «dilosi» na zitisei kaneis apo to KKE oste na arnoyntai na tin ypograpsoyn; Ehasan to 1949, ehasan to 1989, den nomizo oti hreiazetai kaneis tis diloseis toys.
Ayto poy kyrios toys enohlei einai i diapistosi toy Pagkaloy (kai palaiotera toy L. Kyrkoy, toy Gr. Farakoy kai pollon oritzinal aristeron...) oti orthos kai eytyhos ehasan ton Emfylio. Diaforetika, i elliniki koinonia tha eihe katabalei ena terastio kostos se aima, talaipories, hafiedismoys, katastoli, oloklirotismo, oikonomiki kai koinoniki kathysterisi. Akribos, diladi, ayto poy plirosan oles oi hores stis opoies epikratisan tote oi kommoynistes.
Nomizo oti tin apopsi toy Pagkaloy oydeis sobaros anthropos mporei na antikroysei. Oyte mporei kaneis na toy amfisbitisei to dikaioma na ti diatyponei. Antilambanomai omos apolytos giati enohlei to KKE. Dioti toy afairei to dimokratiko kai agonistiko fotostefano me to opoio poreyetai apo to 1974.
Apo ekei kai pera o kathenas ohi mono dikaioytai alla ypohreonetai na yperamynetai ton apopseon toy. Kai o Pagkalos kai to KKE. Kata protimisi me epiheirimata kai ohi me aforismoys. Gia tis apopseis mas alloste krinomaste oloi. Me eksairesi osoys koybalane arketoys skeletoys sto ntoylapi toys, ara prepei na krinontai kai gi aytoys.
Basically with the sad state of Greece, it is better off without the kind of "brothers" these AKEL loser bastards are. I remember the National Guard kicking the ass of their milita in 1974, just like Theodorakis and his peepz got their asses kicked and sent to Makronissos.
When I think of all the great Americans that died to fight the Soviet bloc and its satelittes, and all the squandered Anglo-American aid that went into crushing KKE-AKEL bastards(only to emerge as quasi victors in defeat after 1974), their Vietcong, Chicom, etc. brothers, it really makes me ashamed to have anything to do with Greeks on any level.
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No worries Kafkas. Most Turks consider Azerbaijan just as much a part of Turkey as Ankara or Istanbul anyway.
Turk Bir Dev
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Re: Does Greece have a 'brother nation'
October 15 2009, 10:32 PM
Aegean problem, Cyprus problem and some other life difficulties about Turks living in Greece meeting...but We do not need to be hurry...You know;
Lots of things have been chancing from history to current... In past, There was a Turkey which always need foreign supplies for armaments so When a problem appeared and did not solved in accordance with their perspectives, The countries which become as a suppliers position of Turkiye, always threaten us to issue an embergo not to sell any strategic weapons or applying restricted usage for their weapons... but Now, Turkey has started to compete with the countries which threaten Turkey to issue embargo in past. That's mean Turkey started to become a strategic actor which is able to chance the stability of this region with using industrial and some other power trumps... so We have pointed a target until 2020-25 to have a national defence industry from land vehicles to naval platforms, air defence missiles and space technologies... In future, You are going to see more bighead and arrogant Turkey at foreign policies (A or B government is not important) ... Anybody will not direct us to do something and When a problem appeared, Turkey will always be a main actor to solve it with using incredible trumps... When a side did not approached What Turkey wishes to solve the problems, The sides which prefer not to solve them in accordance with Turkish perspective will meet interesting incidents as Europeans and USA applied same trumps for us in past... so
Wait a littile bit please... Until 2020 to solve all problems...
This message has been edited by cabatli_53 on Oct 15, 2009 10:35 PM
Dolphins dominate (Login Kafkas-Azeri) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: Does Greece have a 'brother nation'
October 15 2009, 10:35 PM
Man Turkey is so ahead of Greece that its funny to even mention.
All Greek do is getting money from EU. For Gods sake, wtf has Greece?
*Keep a standing army of over 1,000,000 soldiers.
*Our navy would be the largest in the Mediterranean, undisputed!
*Cyprus would automatically join the Greco-Turkish confederation, meaning complete control of all traffic in the East Mediterranean Sea.
*Our army would be able to overrun anything any Middle Eastern nation (or a combination of them) may throw its way.
*We'd have a very kick ass defense industry. Operate indigenous corvettes, frigates, MBTs, APCs, AIFVs, satellites, UAVs, transport aircraft and possibly even fighters.
*Having several LPD/LHDs and a decent size aircraft carrier would be a must.
*It'd become a true economic power, with a GDP of well above a TRILLION. That'd even increase very fast too!
*We'd become the undisputed big-dog of the Balkans and Caucasia.
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Sounds promising indeed. But we are already there (or will be there very soon) without little Greece. I think you've been way too optimistic. Besides, I don't think the Greeks would like to unite with a rapidly Arabanizing country full of peasants, who would eventually outnumber them 1 to 10. I wouldn't, if I were a Greek.
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We would:
*Keep a standing army of over 1,000,000 soldiers.
*Our navy would be the largest in the Mediterranean, undisputed!
*Cyprus would automatically join the Greco-Turkish confederation, meaning complete control of all traffic in the East Mediterranean Sea.
*Our army would be able to overrun anything any Middle Eastern nation (or a combination of them) may throw its way.
*We'd have a very kick ass defense industry. Operate indigenous corvettes, frigates, MBTs, APCs, AIFVs, satellites, UAVs, transport aircraft and possibly even fighters.
*Having several LPD/LHDs and a decent size aircraft carrier would be a must.
*It'd become a true economic power, with a GDP of well above a TRILLION. That'd even increase very fast too!
*We'd become the undisputed big-dog of the Balkans and Caucasia.
More can be added.
Why are Turkos so eager to be under complete Greek economic domination once again? We ran the empire during Ottoman times. Most Sultans were Greek or Slavic. The "Turks" were the wetback villagers of the empire. The very word "Turk" was akin to calling someone a backward peasant. If the Hellenes did not revolt we would be the upper class while the Turkos would be a slave class.
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Emperors of the Romans, Vandals, and all of Anatolia.
Correction "Demir" the Slav. We were both slaves (Greek, Slav), the only difference with me is that my ancestors didn't have a slave mentality like yours did, nor did we fall on our knees and convert (like yours did).
You got "raped" and then kissed Turko azz, while I blew their heads off once I was able to get a gun (revolt).
Big difference SLAVE...
Seal of the great and respected House of Laskareon, Komnenon, Palaiologon, Aggelon of Byzantium. In Christ, believers of God.
Emperors of the Romans, Vandals, and all of Anatolia.
"Besides, I don't think the Greeks would like to unite with a rapidly Arabanizing country full of peasants, who would eventually outnumber them 1 to 10. I wouldn't, if I were a Greek. "
My point exactly. I am allergic to Arabs and similar races. Turkey should unite with Northern Africa and Azerbaijan and stop dreaming about friendship with Greece.
" I don't think the Greeks would like to unite with a rapidly Arabanizing country full of peasants, who would eventually outnumber them 1 to 10. I wouldn't, if I were a Greek. "
Like i said before: Kurds may create kurdistan and settle there isolated.
Turcomans/arab worshipers can join the kurds, while everything from Kayseri and westwards join the Union. As turkey is at the moment it is impossible.
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"Well at least kalifagos is admitting to being the son of a slave."
Your forefathers betrayed the Greeks as they were Rumelians who volunteered to fight for those ottomans you pre-janessery scumbag so dont insult kallimachos, his better than you.
I am Hazaric, Turkic, Altaic and Japonic
I AM TURKIC, MY RELIGION IS TURKIC, NOTHING ELSE.
"Your forefathers (referring to Demir) betrayed the Greeks as they were Rumelians who volunteered to fight for those ottomans you pre-janessery scumbag so dont insult kallimachos, his better than you. "
Don't worry tezel we took good care of them. The ones living in southern Greece bacame extinct species, the ones up north were given a 24hr notice to pack their bags and go to Turkey. No wonder they still have this "love" for us.
This message has been edited by VII_PZ_DIV on Oct 16, 2009 12:15 AM
Don't worry tezel we took good care of them. The ones living in southern Greece bacame extinct species, the ones up north were given a 24hr notice to pack their bags and go to Turkey.
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haha.. how ironic. We didn't even give a 24hr notice to Pontian and Ionian Griks when we gladly returned the favour in Asia Minor. They met the sword of revenge way sooner than expected, as we would say in Turkey.
@Tezel, my little sissy,
just STFU
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the Greek Cypriots at least those who still consider themselves to be Greek and do not burn the Greek flags and blame Greece at any given opportunity the rest can go to hell.
on the other hand there is not such a thing as a brother nation, every nation has first and foremost to take care of its own interests for example when the Azeris the "brother" nation of Turkey needed your assistance Turkey didnt help them because of the concequences therefore the lesson to be learned here is that there are no brothers, just countries with different interests.
ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS
This message has been edited by ontyseas on Oct 17, 2009 2:18 PM
lol, Greece belong to the league of nations that laid the foundation for humanity....No matter what happens, they are brothers of these league of nations.
Same can't be said about the turks, who are only so-called brothers to other backward races that have created nothing but destruction throughout human history and hence universally despised by all the great civilizations of the world....lol
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