Kazakhstan's President to address Turkish Majlis

Nazarbayev and accompanying delegation will visit Turkish Parliament and meet with Parliament Speaker Mehmet Ali Sahin tomorrow.

Wednesday, 21 October 2009 17:05



azakhstan's President Nursultan Nazarbayev will address Turkish Parliament (Majlis)on Thursday.

Nazarbayev and accompanying delegation will visit Turkish Parliament and meet with Parliament Speaker Mehmet Ali Sahin tomorrow.

Kazakh president will address deputies at the general assembly in Turkish Parliament after his meeting with Sahin.



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http://worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=48805

Now here's a real Turk.

This man is a more reliable solid partner to both brother countries Turkey and Kazakhstan

absolutely he is not an arab wannabe and a real Turk

"Kazakhstans President Nursultan Nazarbayev, and even more frequently former Kyrgyz president Askar Akayev, have several times mentioned Tengrism as the national and natural religion of the Turkic peoples."

http://www.cacianalyst.org/?q=node/3837


For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan!
-Ziya Gokalp-

I for one am glad that I don't look anything like an Arab, but am proud of my religion Islam.. the only true and pure monotheistic religion

We have people in Turkey who could pass off as an Arab with their appearance and skin color yet they seem to dislike anything Arab.. go figure.

"the only true and pure monotheistic religion "

 

how do you figure??,or are you just being arrogant?

dont you have the same beliefs about your religion A'?

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Obviously not charles,my god is the same for everyone but muslims seem to think that theirs is somehow different and special,you guys claim in believing in a monolethic god,so there for how can yours be different to our monolithic god? 

it's funny I have tried to explain the same thing to my christian friends

EDIT: but also it is more the differeing values of the religions i think you are talking about yes we believe in the same god but we believe that the message that was sent in the bible was corrupted by man. christians don't believe our religion ever existed, obviously you can't otherwise it would invalidate christianity. but yeah if you are a devoted christian you have to believe that islam is wrong and as a muslim i have to believe that christianity has strayed.

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the problem with religion is that man tries to impose his own agenda on god.

for example(and without trying to flame)

did god really say to mahamed its ok to have a very young bride provided she has monthlys? as that means she is old enough or did mohamed add that bit himself to facilitate his acquisition?

 

did god really say to the jews,kill everyone here cos its your promised land ?

 

and on it goes. when all is said and done there is only one god and heaven and hell are both big enough to accomadate everyone regardless of what they were born.

^ yeah I agree, I'm just hoping aristotle was right

the gods too are fond of a joke

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ofcourse the gods like a joke,if they didnt would they have created a fun park next to a waste plant?

well that's how I see it too but we could always be wrong


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" did god really say to mahamed its ok to have a very young bride provided she has monthlys? as that means she is old enough or did mohamed add that bit himself to facilitate his acquisition? "

She was at the ages between 17-18.

Merry on the other hand gave birth to Jesus (blessings be upon him) when she was only 13

df,your wrong.

about??

about the ages.

mary wasnt 13 and mohamed had a few wives,the youngest was about 8 or so.

According to what sources?

Because my sources and my Imams who have hadiths over a thousand years old to back up their claims.. that Ayse was 17-18

how many wives did mohamed have?

at what age was he engaged to them?

Prophet Muhammet (s.a.v) had more than a few wives of whom were widows he did not have any real contact with other than face to face conservation. As you know, it is a sin in Islam for a man and women to have long and close (deep and meaningful) conversation especially if they are in a room where they are alone by them selves. So to spread the word of God, he had to marry these women and the other major reason being is, they were left without close relatives to take care of them, so it was purely to support them.

Prophet Muhammet (s.a.v) was engaged to Ayse, the daughter of his closest companion and adviser, who succeeded to the Prophet's political and administrative functions.. at the ages between 13-14

"Prophet Muhammet (s.a.v) had more than a few wives of whom were widows he did not have any real contact with other than face to face conservation. As you know, it is a sin in Islam for a man and women to have long and close (deep and meaningful) conversation especially if they are in a room where they are alone by them selves" 

 

  only proves my point.god never said such a thing,but such a view was created by someone for a reason.

"Prophet Muhammet (s.a.v) was engaged to Ayse, the daughter of his closest companion and adviser, who succeeded to the Prophet's political and administrative functions.. at the ages between 13-14 "


^ about the same age philip married olympias isnt it?

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"about the same age philip married olympias isnt it?"

 

no,i was at their wedding,and she was older.

Was prophet Muhammet (s.a.w) the only prophet to have multiple wives? Or polygamy was taken by other prophets as well?

The answer is No. Polygamy was the norm at the times of Ibrahim (Abraham), Davut (David), Suleyman (Solomon), all known in the bible to have been polygamists

"The answer is No. Polygamy was the norm at the times of Ibrahim (Abraham), Davut (David), Suleyman (Solomon), all known in the bible to have been polygamists "

 

wasnt aware thet they were prophets.

prophets were like,elijha,ezekel,zachariah,enoch etc.

- Prophet Muhammet (s.a.v) had 12 wives. 10 of them Muslims, one was Jew and the other Christian.

- The first women he married, Hatice was 40 years old already married twice before him and and had children. He stayed married to her ALONE for 25 years, until she died. He stayed single after her death for two years in grief and mourning over her death. He was then 52 yrs old.

- From 52 to 60 he married several times for political and social reasons.

- He lived in a society in which it was quite acceptable to have many wives. But the prophet remained devoted to his only wife for twenty-five years. When she died she was sixty five years old.

Therefore:

# Muhammet (sav) "the man" married Hatice ONLY

# Muhammet (sav) "the prophet" married the rest of his wives

"no,i was at their wedding,and she was older."

hah, then you can settle the arguement, was he a blockhead or not?

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@Drunkface

"She was at the ages between 17-18." Sorry Kardas she was way younger than that mate.......We Muslims have to stop making these excuses!!! Not that Christians or Jews are any better...

charles,any one who gets married is a blockhead!

i was born free and i'll die free!!

freedom is the commodity thats more sought after than gold!!

(except maybe pussy!,we come outa one and spend the rest of our lives trying to get back into one)

" She was at the ages between 17-18." Sorry Kardas she was way younger than that mate.......We Muslims have to stop making these excuses!!! Not that Christians or Jews are any better... "


Have a read of this.. It gives you pin point historical accounts and written details which still exist today




At what age did Aisha marry the Prophet?
by
DR. RESIT HAYLAMAZ

When covering the life of Prophet Muhammad, one of the most debatable topics is that of the age of his wife Aisha when the two married.

Her alleged very young age has been used in smear campaigns against the Prophet. The latest publication dealing with the topic is Jewel of Medina by journalist Sherry Jones -- a novel on the life of Aisha. This novel has stirred controversy over the topic, as US publisher Random House expressed its desire to postpone its publication out of fear that its content could spark violence.

Reports that Aisha bint Abi Bakr was 6 or 7 years old when she became engaged and 10 when she married [1] have been the most basic factor in the formation of the view regarding her age of marriage. Also, it should not be forgotten that factors such as similar practices being quite widespread at the time and the physical development of children becoming complete at an earlier age at that time also contributed to the dispersion of this view. For this reason, this subject was not made a current issue for discussion until very recently.

Orientalists who do not consider the conditions of the time period in which an action occurred and who examine Islam from outside have made this a current issue. The Muslim worlds reaction to this different stance has been mixed. While some have insisted that Aishas above-mentioned age at marriage is correct [2], others are of the opinion that Aisha was older [3]. In this situation, where it is not always possible to maintain a balanced view, various approaches have developed as an answer to Orientalists claims, including those that choose to deny the reports or ignore the existence of other alternatives as a response to this view.

First of all, we should know that everyone is a child of the time they live in and therefore must be evaluated according to the cultural context of the relevant time. There are certain values that form a societys customs and when a society is evaluated, these values have to be taken into consideration. Otherwise, were we to attempt to evaluate historical events within todays conditions, we should remember that we are fated to make mistakes.

It is known that during the period when Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, existed, young girls were married at an early age [4] and that age difference was not important in marriage [5]. Especially in regard to young girls, it should not be forgotten that there was social pressure for this, that they matured earlier due to climatic and geographical conditions and that they were seen as goods that needed to grow in their husbands house. Moreover, this is not a matter just related to girls; boys were also married at ages 8, 9 and 10 and they became the head of a family at an age that is perceived as very young today [6]. Perhaps it is this culture that lies at the basis of this issues not having been questioned until recent times. Otherwise, it was impossible for a mentality that wanted to brew a storm in regards to the Prophets marriage with Zaynab bint Jahsh and that slandered Aisha after her return from the Muraysi expedition to not criticize such an issue at that time.

In the verses of the Quran that came at the same time, the age for marriage was mentioned and it was emphasized that children should be married when they come of age [7]. So, opposing a divine suggestion cannot be considered. Using the mentality of Umar, if intervention had been a matter of consideration here, the Prophet would surely have been warned in a coming revelation and a step would have been taken to resolve the issue. At any rate, the Prophets wedding to Aisha took place in accordance with direction from divine will [8].

Now, if you like, putting the extremes behind us and using moderate criteria, lets examine sources related to Aishas age at marriage once again.

1. While listing names of Muslims during the first days of Islam, Aishas name, together with her older sister Asma, are listed immediately after the names of the Sabiqun al-Awwalun (the first ones) like Uthman ibn Affan, Zubayr ibn Awwam, Abdurrahman ibn Awf, Sad ibn Abi Waqqas, Talha ibn Ubaydullah, Abu Ubayda ibn Jarrah, Arqam ibn Abi al-Arqam and Uthman ibn Mazun. Being the 18th person to accept Islam, Aishas name precedes the names of Umayr ibn Abi Waqqas, Abdullah ibn Masud, Salit ibn Amr, Jafar ibn Abi Talib, Abdullah ibn Jahsh, Abu Hudayfa, Suhayb ibn Sinan, Ammar ibn Yasir, Umar ibn Khattab, Hamza ibn Abdilmuttalib, Habbab ibn Aratt, Said ibn Zayd and Fatima bint Khattab [9]. This means she was living then and was mature enough to make such a choice and exercise her will. In addition, the information in reports that she was a small girl then shows that her name was mentioned in a conscious way [10].

This date refers to the early days of Islam. For it is known that Aishas sister Asma, who was born in 595, was 15 when she became a Muslim [11]. This indicates the year 610, when the Prophet started to receive the revelation and this then shows that Aisha was at least 5, 6 or 7 that day and that she was at least 17 or 18 when she married the Prophet in Medina.

2. In regard to days in Mecca, Aisha said, I was a girl playing games when the verse, Indeed, the Last Hour is their appointed time [for their complete recompense], and the Last Hour will be more grievous and more bitter [12] was revealed to Gods Messenger [13]. This information opens other doors for us regarding her age.

The verse under consideration is the 46th verse of Surah Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Quran, which explains the miracle of the split moon [the splitting of the moon is one of the miracles performed by the Prophet Muhammad]. Revealed as a whole, this surah came while the Prophet was in Ibn Arqams home in the fourth (614) [14] or eighth (618) or ninth (619) [15] year of his mission, according to differing reports. Looking especially at necessity, some scholars focused on the date being 614; when this date is taken, Aisha either had not been born or had just been born. While when this date is taken it appears that she must have been born at least eight or nine years earlier, the situation does not change much when 618 or 619 are taken. In that situation she would have only been 4 or 5 years old, neither an age at which she would be in a position to understand this event and relate it years later. According to the second possibility, she was probably born when Muhammads prophethood had just begun [16].

Another matter worth mentioning here is that while describing that day, Aisha stated, I was a girl playing games. The word she used to describe herself, jariya, is used to describe the passage into puberty. Ibn Yara, an Arab poet, describes this passage as follows: When a girl becomes 8 years old, she is not a jariya. She is a bridal candidate that I can marry to Utba or Muawiya. Some scholars say that it is used for girls who are older than 11.

If we look at the issue taking 614 as the year that Surah Qamar was revealed, Aisha would have been born at least eight years before the prophetic mission, or in 606. If we accept 618, then the year of birth would have been 610; this event alone makes it impossible for her to have been 9 when she married.

When this information is combined with her name being on the list of the first Muslims, we get the result that Aishas date of birth was probably 606. Consequently, she would have been at least 17 when she married.

3. Of course, Aishas memories of Mecca are not limited to this. In addition to this, the following memories confirm this matter:

a) Her saying that she had seen two people begging who had remained from the Year of the Elephant (the year in which Yemeni King Abraha sent an army of elephants to Mecca in order to destroy the Kaaba; the elephants were pelted with pebbles dropped on them by birds), which occurred 40 years before the prophetic mission and is accepted as a milestone for determining history, and her handing down this information with her sister Asma only [17].

b) Her describing in detail that during difficult times in Mecca, Gods Messenger had come to their house morning and evening and that her father, Abu Bakr, who could not endure this hardship, attempted to migrate to Abyssinia [18].

c) Her stating that first it was mandatory to offer two cycles of obligatory prayer and that later it was changed to four cycles for residents, but that during military campaigns two cycles were performed [19].

d) In reports about the early days, there being statements like, We heard that Isaf and Naila had committed a crime at the Kaaba and for this reason God turned them into stone as a man and woman from the Jurhum tribe [20].

4. Being betrothed before the engagement: Another factor that supports the above view is that at the time when the Prophets marriage was a topic of discussion, Aisha was engaged to Mutim ibn Adiyys son Jubayr. The suggestion for the Prophet to marry Aisha came from Hawla bint Hakim, the wife of Uthman ibn Mazun, someone not from the family. Both situations show that she had come to the age of marriage and was known as a young marriageable girl.

As is known, this betrothal was broken by the Ibn Adiyy family due to the possible religious conversion of their son to Islam, and it was only after this that Aishas engagement to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, took place [21]. Consequently, the marriage agreement was either made before the prophetic mission or when the call to Islam was being made openly (three years after the Prophet began receiving revelation). If it was made before the mission, together with the idea that Aisha was 9 years old when she married being shaken from its foundation, it implies that Aisha was born even earlier than has been thought. For this reason, some say that she was a 13- or 14-year-old girl then [22].

It should not be overlooked that this decision was made during the period when the call to Islam had begun to be made openly. In regard to time, this means 613-614. If it is assumed that Aisha was born four years after the mission, it has to be accepted that she had not yet been born, so it is not possible to talk about a marriage agreement under these circumstances. In this case, it has to be accepted that she was at least 7 or 8 when her engagement was broken, so the year was probably 605 [23].

Here, another possibility can be mentioned; namely, an agreement of arranged future marriage similar to cradle tallying, an agreement between parents in the early years after the birth of a baby. However, there are no details in the texts under consideration to confirm this.

5. The age difference of Aishas siblings should be taken into account. As is known, Abu Bakr had six children. Asma and Abdullah were born from Qutayla bint Umays, Aisha and Abdurrahman from Umm Ruman, Muhammad from Asma bint Umays and Umm Kulthum from Habiba bint Harija. Asma and Abdullah have the same mother as do Aisha and Abdurrahman. The age difference between children from the same mother can enlighten our subject matter.

a) Abu Bakrs first daughter, Asma, was born in 595, 27 years before the Hijra, Prophet Muhammads emigration to Medina [24]. At the time of the Hijra, she was married to Zubayr ibn Awwam and was six-months pregnant [25]. Her son Abdullah was born three months later in Quba while she was migrating to Medina. She died in the 73rd year of the Hijra at the age of 100; her teeth had not even fallen out.

Here there is another critical piece of information. The age difference between Aisha and her sister Asma was 10 years [26]. According to this, Aishas year of birth was 605 (595+10=605) and her age at the time of the Hijra was 17 (27-10=17). Since her marriage took place six, seven or eight months after the Hijra, or just after Badr [27], this means Aisha was 17-18 years old at that time.

b) The age difference between Aisha and her brother Abdurrahman is also striking. Abdurrahman became Muslim after the Treaty of Hudaibiya was signed, six years after the Hijra. He was careful not to encounter his father at the Battle of Badr, in the second year after the Hijra, and that day Abdurrahman was 20 years old [28]. In other words, he must have been born in 604. Taking into consideration the conditions of that time, the probability is low that the sister of a child born in 604 would be born 10 years later in 614. Put another way, at a time when the age difference between brothers and sisters is one or two years, a large difference such as 10 years between Aisha and her brother is highly unlikely.

6. Reports regarding Aishas death are also of a nature to illuminate this issue. The year in which she died is listed as the 55th, 56th, 57th, 58th or 59th year after the Hijra [29] and her age at that time as 65, 66, 67 or 74 [30]. Just as there is no agreement regarding her date of birth, there is no agreement regarding her date of death.

Reports to the effect that she died in the 58th year after the Hijra and that she was 74 when she died give the impression that they are sounder than others because they give detailed information such as the day she died as being Wednesday, that it corresponded to the 17th day of Ramadan, that upon her request she was buried at night after the Witr prayer in the Jannah al-Baqi graveyard, that again upon her last request the funeral prayer was lead by Abu Hurayrah and that she was lowered into the grave by persons like her sister Asmas two sons, Abdullah and Urwa, her brother Muhammads two sons, Qasim and Abdullah, and her brother Abdurrahmans son Abdullah [31]. Therefore, when calculations are made according to this date, we see she lived 48 years after the Prophets death (48+10=58+13=71+3=74). This means she was born three years before his prophethood and, in view of this information, she was 17 when she married (74-48=26-9=17).

In support of the above, her being on the battle front at Uhud, in the third year after the Hijra, when even boys were turned away; her depth in scholarly matters and the mature attitude and statements she put forth in regard to the matter of slander; the age difference between her and the Prophets daughter Fatima; her knowledge and awareness of the Hijra and later developments; after arriving in Medina, her marriage being consummated at her fathers suggestion and after the mahr had been paid [32]; the position of the Prophet as a guide in the society; the sensitivity of the Prophet and fatherly compassion; the differences in reports regarding the date of marriage and their having no finality [33]; Aishas using the doubtful expression six or seven when referring to her age; dates of birth and death not being as clearly determined in that society as they are today -- all this strengthens the probability that she was born before the commencement of Islam, was engaged at 14 or 15 years of age and was married to the Prophet at the age of 17 or 18.

In this situation, it is up to us to attribute the meaning I appeared to be to the report I was 6 or 7 when I was engaged and 9 when I married and reconcile the two [34]. The fact that Aisha was physically thin strengthens this interpretation. She was affected by physical events faster and had a smaller body than her peers. Events like her becoming ill during the migration to Medina [35], her mothers showing her special attention and trying to make her well [36], her losing her necklace after the Muraysi expedition and the enclosed litter being put on the camel thinking that she was in it [37] all show this.

In short, regardless of whether Aishas age at marriage was 9 or 17 or 18, there is nothing strange about it. It is necessary to evaluate every society according to its own rules. When we look at examples, it was quite a widespread custom to marry both boys and girls at a young age. However, when we look at information passed down to us, it should not be forgotten that this information to the effect that Aisha, may God be pleased with her, was born in 605, engaged at the age of 14 or 15 and married at the age of 17 or 18 is too strong to be ignored.

My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me.

Tabari IX:131


Narrated Aisha:


The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234:


Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: "Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old."

- Sahih Muslim 8:3310

Hz. Muhammed (a.s.m), kucuk kizla evlendi mi?

Hz. Peygamber Evlendiginde Hz. Ayse Kac Yasindaydi?

i prefer to call him as my president much more than current cabinet clowns in here...

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"but am proud of my religion Islam.. the only true and pure monotheistic religion "

Hahahahahaha, you mean the most intolerant?

The day will come when the ezan will be re-formatted into Turkish, thats when people will understand what the imam is crying 5 times a day. The ezan supposedly sounds nice which is why people love it, even though they dont understand. The Republic of Turkey changed the ezan into Turkish so people could comprehend what the imam was chanting, i would guarantee you that if the ezan stayed in Turkish Islam or religion in Turkey would today be INSIGNIFICANT.

"Hz. Peygamber Evlendiginde Hz. Ayse Kac Yasindaydi? "

6!


The epic story of a mongol-turcoman
scythio timurid who joined the ranks
of the knights templar to rid the world
of intolerant beings. "This is
a masterpiece of a story"
William Golding

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your look at the sites that are making sh1t up about the kuran not the actual facts

your look at the sites that are making sh1t up about the kuran not the actual facts

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Are you denying the hadiths?

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