How would the Greek air defense cope against an all out attack by Turkish Airforce !

Mmm. Probably by getting blown up, burning and smoking.

Turk Bir Dev

it depends,if we launched a surprise attack first we'd catch their aircraft on the ground and their generals on the golf course.

now if they strike first they'ed catch us either sleeping in or at the bouzoukia.

but all in all,i reckon we'd smite them!

There are no F22 or F35 in their air force

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Hmmmm, existing state of art Greek AA missle systems vs Turkish 3D pics and pipedreams-who would win???

LOL.

"Hmmmm, existing state of art Greek AA missle systems vs Turkish 3D pics and pipedreams-who would win???"

Well that´s something you won´t be around and see since I doubt you will make the week out...

But hey, I will send some messages to you with my grandpa when he leave us;)..


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Well lest see.
F-16-52+,M-2000-5mk2 with 800xAIM120/MICA supported by Erieyes,8xPatriot PAC-3 & S-300PMU-1 included in worlds best IADS vs ****ty turco F-16 blk 50 & 40 with 1,2xAIM120A/B for every fighter "supported" by Nike Hercules,lol.
And this untill 2014 at least.
How does that look like?

^ that is well explained yannis greek despertation and a fear of turkish defence industry and any more your country has to waste money on more fancy weapons

lol

What has dumbo turco defense industry to do with F-16?lol
TAI needs 7 years to modernise your first CCIP while EAB do same in 6 months for USAF.
Does that tell you anything?

what is the point when we are getting the 120 jsf and plus after that order we will get the full tech in our hands and besides the block 50 is good enuff for the gap

lol

Corpusvile

"Mmm. Probably by getting blown up, burning and smoking."

Like this?

you laugh because you are scarred

I laugh cause i´ve heard the tapes with the hysterical turco pilots trying to escape HAF IRIS-T & MICA-IR lock-ons,lol.

I'm not convinced the F-35 will be as good as advertized. The requirements just seem like a fantasy: create a fighter with the stealth and performance of an F-22, plus VTOL capability, but make it alot less expensive than the F-22. Meanwhile the F-22 is the most advanced fighter in the world, so if it was possible to add VTOL to it make it LESS expensive, why didn't we just do that? Alot of corners must have been cut in the design, IMO.

I still beleive Su-35 is THE fighter. It's underrated simply because it's Russian. Clearly a political thing.

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"I still beleive Su-35 is THE fighter. It's underrated simply because it's Russian. Clearly a political thing"

Not entirely. I am more impressed by the Mig-35 than any Sukhois today...


Thunder Supports Rafale

http://rafale.freeforums.org
http://rafale.freeforums.org/rafale-vs-f-16-aerodynamics-compared-t69.html

I beleive Greece should opt for 40 Su-35 BM (AESA IRBIS T) and take part in 5th Generation Sukhoi PAC...

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'and take part in 5th Generation Sukhoi PAC'

Yes, Greeks can do the paint job

And how many F35 does Turkey have up to this day?

No matter how hard you wash a Turk, he still stinks.

Turkey has no interest in the mainland Greece. All we need is the major easternmost islands in the Aegean and almost all of them are within Turkish artillery and rocket range. We would only need our firghters for aerial interception roles or to provide CAS to TN, which will concentrate on keeping HN from coming out to the east to help out the islands. Flatten everything that moves with shells and rockets, and then send in the army to claim the prize. And I bet a small fraction of our land forces would be more than enough.

Turk Bir Dev

"'and take part in 5th Generation Sukhoi PAC'

Yes, Greeks can do the paint job"

Nope, we have the likes of you for that, that's all you're good for anyway. That and that overrated sardine can with an engine, f35

you can expect it to be a little tougher than that, core-puss.

the aegean will be a meat grinder for TAF and TN. your floating wreckage will depress the global scrap metal market.

the most cherished dream of you warped turkos is that your backwards country someday attain the status of super amazing awesome regional bully. 2020 bro! omg 2020, i just can't wait to show the world what turkey can accomplish with our indigenous donkey d1ck tank!

Greece dont have anything to counter state of art F-35. With F-35 TAF able to destroy all Greek naval fleet in their harbours with out even detected.

"(Login dr_okuz)
Greece dont have anything to counter state of art F-35. With F-35 TAF able to destroy all Greek naval fleet in their harbours with out even detected".

YES they DO, even today.

Their Mirage 2000 is already capable of firing MICA IR which had a range of more than 80 km according to our Defense Minister's armament website AND the AdA Mirage 2000 5F Squadrons own website.

Ce missile, d'une portée maximale de 80 km, est particulièrement utilisé pour les phases de combat au delà de la détection visuelle et utilise les capacités de détection lointaine du radar RDY.
http://escadron1.2cigognes.free.fr/moyens.php

Performance:
Multi target / multiple launch

Rail or ejector mount launch

Range:< 500 m to > 80 km

Speed: mach 4

Manoeuvring load factor: greater than 50 g
http://www.ixarm.com/Technical-card,11177


MICAs are used as IRSTs on the 2000/Rafale and are said to have a seeker's lock-on range capability of 60 km, so Mirage 2000 can already detect F-35 without the use of their radars and shoot them at this range.


Since they are well capable of flying HIGHER and FASTER than F-35 the advantage in range provided by the latest AIM-120 C7 versions becomes more than theorical.


A higher cervice ceilling and potential Maximum speed also increase AAM RANGE compared to those of a slower, lower flying target.

This so called "Indetectability" of F-35 is a MYTH.

F-35 is NOT as EM stealthy as F-22, it doesn't supercruise, is WAY slower with a much lower operational ceilling.

All those advantages are part of F-22 superiority in A2A and help reduce its chances to be detected, this is also valid for the Mirage vs a F-35.

While everyone is ready to admit a Mirage have little chances vs a F-22, vs a F-35 it is a totaly different matter.

Thunder Supports Rafale

http://rafale.freeforums.org
http://rafale.freeforums.org/rafale-vs-f-16-aerodynamics-compared-t69.html