greek sub fleet turned into vessel junkyard.. avarege age is 30..

sorry 35


LOL... gayreeks busted ...

8-9 hellenic submarines are (now or in few months) new or upgraded. You' re also having 8 good subs.

So, there's a draw.

But if you add that 4-5 hellenic submarines have AIP technology, hellenic ruling is absolute.

^ Hush kid, you know nothing.

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On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

Turco clowns ahve now clue as always.
First four U209 Glavkos class were heavily upgraded some years ago to U209-1400 level with CSU-83-90,FAS 3-1,WES Sub Harpoon,etc and will stay in service till 2022-2025.
Together with 5xU214 and the single U209AIP HN will have 9-10 submarines 2015-2025.
More 2-3 U214 will be on order after 2015.

Yannis...since you're so graciously mixing in HN future orders...why not include the TN's AIP submarine procurements plans?

Circa 2020 TN Submarine fleet

6 x 214
8 x 209-1400

I Hail The Flag

Because our 6xU214 & U209AIP are already paid for and just waiting in salamina naval base to be recieved.
And you just have the money to pay 15% for first U214TN.
We see how this work with your CCIPs and F-16-50+.
THK order for F-16-50+ made in 2007 but just few monthy ago first money paid for production start,lol.

"Because our 6xU214 & U209AIP are already paid for and just waiting in salamina naval base to be recieved. "

You paid for 4xU214's not 6, and you will only receive 3xU214's and you only have 3xU214's waiting in Salamina..the fourth one is in Kiel!

I Hail The Flag

NO.

We already paid for 3xU214 & 3xU209AIP mod.
3xU214 and one U209AIP mod are ready and waiting in salamina.
Instead of the other two U209AIP mod we will recieve two more U214 till 2015 without any extra payments.

First of all the initial 4 Glafkos Class Greek subs were brought up to your PREVEZE class standard under Neptune I program so there goes your qualitative argument.

Second, we have S-118 Okeanos of the second batch upgraded to AIP standard, to be recieved as soon as the dispute with ENAE ends.



Third and most important we have better sub crews.

Dumlupinar accident, proof that Turks are incompetent sailors



Another pwnage by Panzer

It isn't just the vessels, it's the training. Royal Navy didn't always have the best vessels, but their training was what set them apart from other navy's. Same with Greek Navy. Greece is a maritime power, Turkey is not. Greek navy is hands down more professional than Turkish navy. Not even close.

And the subs have been continuously upgraded. The hulls are sound and the electronics and propulsion sytems have been continuously upgraded.

@Landos

These turco clowns think that they could win their very first naval engagement vs hellenes if they only would have double as much modern submarines and three times more frigates,lol.
We will own them even with NO submarines and NO frigates.
Greeks own turco clowns only with small rubber boats & fish trawlers.
Like we always did.

They think they can run out, buy some new subs, and suddenly become a maritime power. Doesn't work that way. Training is probably MORE important than having the latest technology. If you were to compare Turkish Navy training vs that of the Greek Navy you'd see the wide disparity in capability.

Greeks have been a maritime power for millenia. Turks never have been one.

"First of all the initial 4 Glafkos Class Greek subs were brought up to your PREVEZE class standard under Neptune I program so there goes your qualitative argument. "

Not quite...Peveze and Gur Class operate with Atlas TAS-3 Towed Array sonar in addition to the STN Atlas flank array sonars that the Neptune class operate. Not even your 214's will come with TAS's!

Peveze and Gur class are armed with GEC Marconi Mk-24 and state of the art STN Atlas DM2A4L's while all the Glavkos class operates with are their original AEG SST 4 Mod 0's, even our Atilay class 209's have better torpedos with AEG SST Mod 1's which unlike the Mod 0's allow limited two way capabiity for guidance whereas the Mod 0 has no return signal capability through the guidance wire.


I Hail The Flag

"Dumlupinar accident, proof that Turks are incompetent sailors"

Ever heard of the USS Thresher or the USS Scopion....I guess the loss of those submarines makes the the USN incompetant....ever heard of the Hellenic Navy FAC Kostakos P-25, I guess the loss of that boat makes the Hellenic Navy equally incompetant!


I Hail The Flag

HN Fleet avagare old 35.

TN fleet avarage old 15

ETERNAL LEADER of TURAN LANDS
EBEDI BASBUG

lolwut?

@dirty

HN U214 donīt have TAS?
How comes?
Btw,only use for TAS is when submarine is moving fast to guard rear side.
Please try and leave dardanelles with 100% power of your older generation diesel sub engines in aegean while HN subs are on silent patrol,lol.
What a clown.

@Combat_Master

reality hurts...

after 35 years all gayreeka subs have metalic tiredness ..

hand greandes could be enough instead of depth charges..



vre palikaryasssss ..yassuuuuuuuu

In 1989 Greek Navy decided to update the first batch. The aim of the programme called Neptune 1 was to install a flank array sonar, a modern fire control system, a GPS, an updated ESM and a modern inertial navigation system. Additionally these boats would receive sub Harpoon firing capability. The first boat completed the Neptune 1 refit in 1993 and the last boat in 2000.

http://turkishnavy.blogspot.com/2009/03/greek-submarine-force.html

Type 209 / 1100 Glavkos Class
4 boats (S110 Glavkos, S111 Nereus, S112 Triton, S113 Proteus) (received limited upgrade under "Neptune I" programme, 1993 - 2000)
Entered service 1971 - 1972
Displacement (surfaced/dived): 1,125t / 1,235t
4 x MTU 12V 493 AZ80 GA31L diesels (2,400hp); 4 x Siemens alternators (2,280hp); 1 x Siemens electric motor (4,600hp)
Speed (surfaced/dived): 11kt/21.5kt
Max depth: 250m (crushing depth) (probably operational max depth is max200m due to aging hull)
SSM: 4 x UGM-84 Harpoon
Torpedoes: 14 x Atlas Elektronik SUT Mod0 (8 x 533mm tubes)
Sonar: Atlas Elektronik CSU 83-90; Atlas Elektronik PRS 3-4
ESM: Argo AR-700-S5
C3: Lockheed Martin Tactical Defense System-GETEN Kanaris; Link 11
Periscope: Carl Zeiss Optronik SERO 40 STAB

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S 353 Preveze (Type 209/1400)
As modelled in: HutchDB 0.9 (1980-2015 Alternate)

GENERAL DATA: Type: SSK
Length (m): 55.9
Displacement (tons): 1180
Crew: 32
Max Depth: -320
Damage Points: 24



SENSORS & EW:
Model Max. Range Abilities Notes
CSU 83 39 Sub Search, Range Information, Bearing Information Active/Passive sonar
Cutlass B-1 ESM 150 Surface Search, Air Search, Bearing Information, Classification Passive RWR/ESM/SIGINT
FAS 3-1 70 Sub Search, Bearing Information Passive sonar
TAS 83 71 Sub Search, Bearing Information Towed Array
TRS 3100 Calypso III 30 Surface Search, Air Search, Range Information, Bearing Information Radar

lol the Greeks make me chuckle in this thread,

They are defeated Statistically, Factually and Historically so they rely on the variables like 'training' or 'tactics'

and look at Landos, acting like he has a inside knowledge of Turkish and Greek Naval Training, the loser has never been near a fishing boat, let alone a Military vessel!

Now he will tell you he was Admiral of the Titanic, but could not sail that day because he was sick... hence the crash.

Flash flash flash...

Proudly new product fromn TDI.

indegenous depth charges for dinasouried gayreek subs ...

Question;

Is it us greeks with hundreds of turco islands 10 feet away from our beaches?
Or is it mighty regional power turkey running away from greek navy since centuries?
75 million coward turcos but not one with ballz to take an island from little greece,lol.
Your "navy" does not need submarines & frigates.
Ballz would do the job.

Yanniscigim wait till 2020 when we reduce Greece to pelleponessos.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

quit from nato and EU...

then ask again..

we were not in NATO or EU in 1974 -1980..

what did you guys do???...

all always Turkish talk is cheap...

if our backs are not turned our were not outnumbered, your pussy cats....

fuking bunch of vaginas...lol

Running from Greeks in past centuries??

What herbs have you been smoking you poor sheep-shagging bastards we took every last Island you had, we took your mainland never mind your friggin Islands, or did you conveniently you forget your ****ty history??

https://jspivey.wikispaces.com/file/view/ottoman-17century.jpg/34311705

Thermopyla, you know very well what we did to you in '74.

new indegenous product for ASW ... 3

let me give you turkish dumbass's a wake up call.

1.turkish naval bases few and far between,zero prospects for dispersal,all turkish naval bases within artillery range.

2.turkish subs must pass through certain greek controlled choke points to access the agean or med,only mersin is exempt.

 

its like saying turks have a bigger brain,BUT cant use it!

The Greeks have no brain at all

As for the Turks never being a maritime power, it always took the "Holy League"s of "entire European fleets" to stop us, yet we defeated those holy leagues in numerous occasions.

More than half of the Ottoman Empire was conquered by the Ottoman Navy, not the Ottoman Army.

tuaf,you find it difficult climbing into a bath tub let alone the agean

i challenge you to refute the points i have made above.

 

(be warned,i extremely bored this day and looking for someone to pick up the gaunlet)

Thermopyla, you know very well what we did to you in '74.
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is this the 1974 when the Greek government had collapsed....

when a huge Turkish invasion force invaded under the auspices and protection of the US 6th fleet and UK support? facing off against a handful of Cypriots with outdated, obsolete equipment?

Read the book where the General in charge of the Invasion, a Turk, admitted that if the Greek air force had been a variable, or the Greek division had still been on the island the invasion would have been impossible....

do you know who forced Greece to remove the Greek Division? Yes the US/UK....

so you guys can crow all you like about 1974, of course possessing illegally 37% of the island by whatever means gives crowing rights to pussies...

still doesn't change the fact the invasion was during a time when Greece was politically paralysed and Cyprus was isolated and at the mercy of fate....it was by no means a fair or even marginally equal a contest....

if it had been an equal stand off, 1974 would never had happened...period....

congrads ..you won uber fool october 2009 award...


"1.turkish naval bases few and far between,zero prospects for dispersal,all turkish naval bases within artillery range."


please do it...





ETERNAL LEADER of TURAN LANDS
EBEDI BASBUG

Turks can go out and buy all the subs they want, they'll still not be anywhere near close to Greece in maritime power projection. Not even within artillery distance of our standard! Turkey is not a maritime power and never has been.

In addition to 8 modern Type-209/1400, 2-4 of 6 Type-209/1200 (Ay Class) will be modernised until first Type-214TN arrive in 2015. So Golcuk Shipyard will be busy following years. Modernization includes new combat managment system, Aselsan ESM System, new persicope, navigation-communication suite, new radar system, torpedo decoys and possibly new sonar suit. Note that Turkey has already partially modernised of first 2 Ay class in 90s.

Greek navy submarines,they are old but modified...








Turkish Navy subs,everything is new so no need modification...

****The Greeks have no brain at all

As for the Turks never being a maritime power, it always took the "Holy League"s of "entire European fleets" to stop us, yet we defeated those holy leagues in numerous occasions.

More than half of the Ottoman Empire was conquered by the Ottoman Navy, not the Ottoman Army.****

Your theory (sic) settles on wrong foundations. Dont compare the Navy of the Ottoman Empire with the searworthiness or not of the Turks. The Ottoman Empire as any empire in the world was formed by a variety of ethnicities.

Even Greeks served proudly in the Ottoman Empire. And guess what, for centuries (b4 the greek revolution) or the non existant greek id (or any other national id worldwide) people of greek origin were feeling Ottomans. After all, it was the post french revolution era that laid the foundations of the national - ethnic id trend in Europe.

Its like you are trying to compare the Russian history with the Soviet one (Ukrainians, Georgians, Armenians, etc...).

J J 6 o'clock

"HN U214 donīt have TAS?
How comes?
Btw,only use for TAS is when submarine is moving fast to guard rear side."

@Yannis....you obviously dont know what you're talking about, TAS are rarely used at high speeds for fear of snapping the cable. The primary purpose of the TAS is to increase detection capability by placing hydrophones away from the vessel to reduce interference from the vessels own noise signature.

To my knowledge only HN U214's come without a TAS, you should ask them why!


I Hail The Flag

To my knowledge only HN U214's come without a TAS, you should ask them why!
You must be the brains around here,so why didn't they come with TAS.I would love hear your bs response but then again i already know what your going to say.

nutuk@
"Yanniscigim wait till 2020 when we reduce Greece to pelleponessos."

same before 10 years for now
in 2020 will threaten us for an invasion in 2030
WHEN THEY GONNA BE READY
cause seems that with that arms competicion will last
but anyway
turks how long you will do that
it is WELL KNOWN THAT TURKS WANT GREECE
you are 70 millions
with more man power than us with more frigates and tanks,exrt.....
when you gonna attack us
u r 7 times bigger than us
u gonna wait till you get 10 times e?
pussies
you wish a reduction of the greek population compine with a reduse in arms
thus how BRAVE FIGHTERS u r
YOU KNOW WHY CUASE MOST OF THE TURKS IN HERE WILL NOT FIGHT AT ALL
THEY WILL HIDE BEHIND THE MASSES OF ANNUALLY CONSCRIPTS

THATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GREEK AND A TURK

WE DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE 70 MILLIONS OR 100 MILLIONS
IF YOU HAVE 20 FRIGATES OR 30 FRIGATES

THATS WHAT WE PROUD OF...................




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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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