C-27J Spartan walk around.

http://www.primeportal.net/hangar/armin_orav/c-27j_spatan/

Credit goes to @Armin Orav

Isn't it treason to post classified photos that reveal the incorporated EW equipment of those planes ?

"Tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,

that here obedient to their laws we lie"

Armin Orav.

Hmmm, it sounds Hebrew name to me.

Mossad perhaps?

Shut up paliopousta and crawl back to your hole.

The C-27 is a nice decent plane, one of the few good decissions of Greece.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

Yeah right, one of the FEW good decisions...

Bad decisions?

Check out your own decisions, loser.

Fantastic decision...

But...

Some of the above products are worthy indeed.

The HK-416 is in my view one of the top 5 rifles around and I wouldn't mind seeing it in the GR Army.

The K-9 Firtina is also a the best value for money howitzer, an excellent choice if purchased in large numbers. Koreans make reliable products.

The Pars vehicle is uncharterd territory and so are the TR corvetes under construction. Time will tell.

As for the T-129, this is a big failure. An Italian helo with zero exports since 1986, an outdated design fitted with TR electronics and an akward Aseflir 3000 FLIR. You couldn't have made a worse choice.

The F-35 is dead meat when we acuire new interceptors. Rafale or EF-2000 will eat it for breakfast.

Find another things to be proud against us panzer... We have already told many times about our programs and their effectivenes, development phrases... You can not cope with any area about defence procurements and industrial capabilities... In past, Some Morons such as Yannis had claimed that Greek industry are such an improved one against Turkish one that Gayreeks are exporting their products to USA and Englind, While We are trying to develop 3th class things to export Arab nations... but Those Morons have disappeared in those days cause of the reason Noone knows...

Simple facts...

You order whatever you want directly until Your money gives you permission to pay...
We develop whatever we want...

You beg everybody to order something, but
We are the nation who some Losers such as Gayreeks beat on our doors to beg something to protect their futures...

You are being ruled by European imperial nations, but
We rule our own regins with hard thrumps...

You only think your politic stability to arrange the defence procurement roadways; While
We targetted 2020 and running towards our targets quickly to be a monster of those regions to own everybody....

It is a prohibition for you to order European products; While
Our prohibition is limited with only our imagination powers in defence technologies...


so We are really different class country against you... Chance your routes towards the African countries to find yourself a rival in this area... We are incredibly huge and painfull country to compete with...

The two respective countries have different goals and different startpoints.

Greece is the 3rd largest maritime power and 27th largest economy with a GDP per capita 3,5 times than that of Turkey, well integrated into the Western framework and doesn't need to be global superpower. We are the regional superpower with multi-billion investments in the Balkans and eventually we will go on with a head to head collision with Turkey over regional supremacy.

Make no mistake, next war will decide who is the regional giant.

As I said, You are nothing against us.. Having millionaires in Balkan countries do not make any sense to becoming a regional superpower... Only Balkan country you have good relations with are Bulgarians... but They are also signed some special agreements with us... Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia, Kosova and even Serbia is going to affrm whatever Turkey need in region in future... You are nothing in Balkans...

and You claimed that Gayreece are going to Compete with Turkey to become a regional superpower in those region but How ? How can you think to compete with Turkish institues, industries in those region ? You are lack of energy, natural sources, petrol, agriculturel production, defence industry..... etc... All of your arms have been tied to one coutry but You are talking about becoming a regional power with competing with Turkey... Try to be more clever...

Since you subscribe to many GR defence magazines I am sure you can read it. Greece is sitting on black gold.

"As for the T-129, this is a big failure. An Italian helo with zero exports since 1986, an outdated design fitted with TR electronics and an akward Aseflir 3000 FLIR. You couldn't have made a worse choice."

@VII_PZ_DV

don't take offence, but differently from greek (or british) apaches a turk T-129 can effectively fly


Melissa Satta

Yes, try to explain why the Apache achieved so many exports in leading nations around the globe and your Mangusta only one export to Turkey. You were so desperate to make ONE sale you had to give up the source codes. What idiot apart from Italy gives source codes???

@VII

the apache is the top of his class and everyone wants to have it

some can buy it, but how many countries can pay for its maintenance ?

not many, nor the United Kingdom


Melissa Satta

Did you read this from Cosmopolitan or Vogue magazine?

This is the primary military source for Italian men


BTW, Why do men CHEAT? Tell us the details....

do you know which is the availability rate of apaches in UK and Greek military ?

how much does it cost ?

how many people does it need ?

it is simply I know one of the A-129 designers


Melissa Satta

Guys all this billions spend on weapons and in the end, there all going to rust and for what nothing! There isn't going to be a war between Greece and Turkey. Politics makes paranoia and therefore fear itself sells weapons.

Apache is a good chopper to buy it off the shelf, however you cannot even change a screw on it.

Our course with the T-129 has a complete different stake, we buy technology share, implement our own electronics, weapons and radars.

First version of the T-129 is the TUC-1, the last 20 choppers will be TUC-2 and the option of 41 more (TUC-3??), we will evolve our own chopper fully integrated to our needs and 100% battle ripe when we want them to.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

Just my stupid opinion file!

file ,its an honourable hope.

Kind words from an Honorable man.....Efkaristo!

brother,your going to make a grown man blush.

LMAO.....

Mario

do you know which is the availability rate of apaches in UK and Greek military ?

how much does it cost ?

how many people does it need ?

it is simply I know one of the A-129 designers
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Availability is around 75-80% because we have updated follow-on contracts with Boeing. Yes it is a costly maintenance due to the sophisticated nature of the AH-64A and yes it is becoming more costly because first generation Apache spare-parts are becoming scarse. For this reason we have decided to upgrade them to the D variant.

Now, according to your logic the UH-1 Huey with rocket launchers is the ideal attack helicopter due to low maintenance costs and simplistic electronics. Sorry mate, we want the best stuff when it comes to our military and we will pay any cost to achieve this.

"Make no mistake, next war will decide who is the regional giant."

What the Turks don't understand it it will be an economic war, not a military war. In an economic war they're totally unprepared-they brought a knife to a gun fight.

^ turkiye has been fighting the pkk for nearly 30yrs and there economy is still verry good

turkiye has been fighting the pkk for nearly 30yrs and there economy is still verry good
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I know "there" economy is "verry" good, the Kurds make a lot of money from drug smuggling. The problem is YOUR BANANIAN ecocomy with GDP falling 13,8% from last year.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/finance/11971517.asp
Turkish GDP falls 13.8 percent, economy enters recession

ISTANBUL - Turkey's economy recorded its fastest pace of contraction in history in the first quarters of the year due to a slump in both domestic and foreign demand which pushed the country into its first recession after the crisis in 2001. (UPDATED)


The Turkish Statistics Institute, or TURKSTAT, said on Tuesday gross domestic product, or GDP, fell by 13.8 percent in the first three months of 2009, compared to the same period of last year.



The median estimate of 17 economists surveyed by Bloomberg was for a decline of 11.9 percent, while a Reuters poll showed an expectation of 11.6 percent contraction.



Analysts said both market players and the government will have to revise their yearly contraction expectations and the first quarter's figure increased the possibility of a worse economic performance in 2009 than shown during the last economic crisis in 2001.



"Although this is a lagging indicator, it implies that the Central Bank should not worry about inflation," said Ozgur Altug from BCG Partners, which estimates a contraction of 6.6 percent in 2009. "Therefore, the Central Bank may continue with rate cuts for longer than expected."



Turkey's economy has slowed rapidly in recent months as the global economic slowdown hits both foreign and domestic demand. Industrial production, a key indicator of the economic growth situation, shrank 22 percent in the first quarter.



Turkeys GDP shrank 6.2 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008 and grew just 1.1 percent last year, after an average growth performance of 5.9 percent in 2002-2008.



UNLIKELY TO HIT YEAR-END TARGET

The government has forecast a contraction of 3.6 percent in GDP for this year, with the International Monetary Fund forecasting it would shrink 5.1 percent.



"Its a very ugly number, worse even than the 2001 crisis," said Inan Demir, an economist for Finansbank AS in Istanbul who predicts the economy will contract 5.4 percent this year.



"It makes a revision in the governments full-year growth forecasts even more compelling: 3.6 percent is looking very difficult now."



He said the first quarter was "the bottom for economic activity" and the economy has been on course for a sluggish recovery as evidenced by the gradual improvement in industrial production and capacity usage.



"Accordingly, we expect growth readings to improve from 2Q onwards; yet we do not expect year-on-year growth rate to turn positive before final quarter of 2009," he added.



Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan earlier said he expects economic activity to pick up in the summer with the positive impact of relief packages presented by his government. Turkey had introduced tax cuts and investment incentives to tackle the negative effects of the global financial crisis.



FALL IN LOCOMOTIVES

According to the TURKSTAT figures, output in industry fell 17.6 percent, while the service sector shrank by 12.8 percent. "Wholesale, retail, transport and construction are among the worst-hit sectors. It looks (as though) good weather conditions failed to overcome a strong base effect in the agriculture sector," said Banu Kivci Tokali, chief economist at Finans Invest.



Exports fell 26 percent in the first quarter from a year earlier and carmakers such as Tofas Turk Otomobil Fabrikasi AS, Fiats Turkish unit, halted production because of falling orders. Motor vehicle output tumbled 59 percent from a year earlier, according to the Automotive Manufacturers Association.



The Central Bank has cut 8 percentage points from the benchmark interest rate over as many months, taking it to a record low of 8.75 percent on June 16.



Industrial production fell an average of 22 percent in the first three months of the year and recorded a contraction of 23.8 percent in February, the biggest since the statistics agency began releasing monthly figures in 1986.



The jobless rate surged to 16.1 percent in the first quarter, the highest since the measure began in 2005.