ANKARA: Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's visit to Iran tomorrow adds to concerns that Ankara may be slowly turning its back on its Western allies and seeking to regain its status as a regional power in the Middle East.

Following what Turks saw as Arab betrayal in First World War, Turkey made joining the elite club of Western powers its number one foreign policy objective, joining Nato in 1952 and first applying to join the European Economic Community in 1963.

Nearly 50 years on, Muslim Turkey is still kept at arms length by the European Union, but now having the world's 17th biggest economy, and half-a-million-strong army, it has the potential to become a powerhouse in its eastern backyard.

Erdogan has steadily expanded Turkey's influence in the Middle East since his Islamist-rooted AK party took power in 2002.
He travels to Iran at a time of worsening ties between Turkey and its regional ally Israel and as Ankara hails recent bilateral deals with Syria and Iraq as signalling a "new era".
But some analysts warn an erosion of Ankara's Western oriented foreign policy could have long-term consequences for Nato and for US efforts from Afghanistan to Iraq.

"There is a growing perception that Turkey is favouring its ties with countries such as Iran and Syria at the expense of Israel and the West and this is causing some concern," said Fadi Hakura, a Middle East expert at London's Chatham House.

Erdogan is in Pakistan and will visit Iran tomorrow. Officials said he will discuss a wide range of issues, including energy deals and Iran's nuclear programme.

Following Turkish efforts to bring Afghanistan and Pakistan together in their fight against Taliban insurgencies, Erdogan will also try to mediate between Pakistan and Iran whose ties were strained over Sunday's bombing in Iran that killed 42 people. Iran says the bombers are based in Pakistan.

Erdogan's visit to Iran comes two weeks after Turkey barred Israel from a Nato exercise, a decision that angered Israel and prompted rare criticism from Turkey's ally the US.
The war games were cancelled after the US and Italy refused to take part without Israel.

http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/NewsD...storyid=262596#

Having good relations with ME states does not make them good allies for us.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

stop licking american and israeli balz for once in your life

Yasin have you learned how to read Turkish yet ?

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On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

i can read turkish well and understand it and my turkish is good but i dont know what to call many things in turkish

Ok, you should watch more Turkish TV or find yourself some more Turkish friends so you can expand your vocabulary...

i hope to get it better when i join the military

Let me help you Yasin...It's obvious that you're in need of something. You need to say:

"Abiler Istanbul'a nasil gidebilirim...?"

They will show you something for sure

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

lol my kemalist relatives lol will show me the way dont worry lol you know my family is exactly like turkiye everything is divided lol

Neo Ottoman Empire C+

Well, still better than an F

"Abiler Istanbul'a nasil gidebilirim...?"

i want to go to cannakale first then istanbul i want to pay my great grand father my respects

Gösterelim anam!

idiotism hit the ceiling .. WTF east have idiots ?

Money industry techno art life ?

alot of primitive losers..

ahahahaha fu[king stupid idiot director lol what a sapik

Gösterelim anam!
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ROFL hehehhe

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09XwSO6wro



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Can an islamist member here please tell me how Turkey will benefit by looking east? Particularly the mid east.

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im not a islamist kemalist fetosh im just a turk who supports and respects these people so su[k a d1ck as$ holes


"Can an islamist member here please tell me how Turkey will benefit by looking east? Particularly the mid east. "

well take iran for example they are verry good at reverse engineering weapons

So copying another countries weapon is talent worht having ? Better then making your own original weapon, i see you had a little too much sugar..

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On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

yeah but i have seen them gain a lot from copying i even heard some tales that they also designing there own fighter jet as well but im not talking about F5 with double tale wings

Interesting how every Islamist that wants to "turn to the East" happens to live in the West, benefitting shamelessy from everything the west has to offer.

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iranian shafaq

Development

Reports have indicated that Shafaq will be a sub-sonic aircraft but this might be improved, and it will have a skin of radar-absorbing material according to Iranian officials.[2]

This two-seat Advanced training and Attack aircraft appears to be based on the Russian-Iranian "Project Integral" and are fitted with Russian ejection seats. Reportedly there are plans to produce three versions -- one two-seat trainer/light strike version and two one-seat fighter-bomber versions.[1]

The Shafaq is designed by the Aviation University Complex (AUC), part of the Malek Ashtar University of Technology. At the start of the program Iran received help from Russia and the aircraft was known as Integral. Russia later backed away from this project due to several reasons and Iran carried on the project by itself and the aircraft became known as Shafaq. The Shafaq is a sub-sonic aircraft, made of radar-absorbing material. It has a large leading edge root extension (LERX) and a root aft of the wing which gives it an unusual circular sub-section.[1]

A 1/7 scale model of the Shafaq has already completed testing in the AUC's wind tunnel and pictures have already been revealed which show that a full-scale model has already been built.[citation needed] The Shafaq will be built in different configurations including a two-seater trainer, a two-seater Light Attack and a one-seater Light Attack variants. Roll-out of the first prototype was scheduled for 2008.[2] The Shafaq's advanced cockpit features color MFDs and a Russian-made K-36D ejection seat.

"Interesting how every Islamist that wants to "turn to the East" happens to live in the West, benefitting shamelessy from everything the west has to offer."

we dont live here for know reason we live here to send the message of islam

we dont live here for know reason we live here to send the message of islam

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You can't "send the message of islam" using infidel resources. That is simply haram.

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you dont know what a infidel is you wahabi

I would be proud of you, if you had one tenth the Islamic knowledge I had.

But I highly doubt it.

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you cant be greedy you have to share with people what islam is about if you dont then people will always keep on judging you all the time

It is actually haram to comment on Islamic issues you have no knowledge on.

So for your own sake, do not continue posting.

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i will only say what i do know but i wont say what i don't know about

Turkey is in no position to look at anywhere, first solve your problems try to become a democratic and prosperous country, and then we see where you will be looking at.

moreover the era of Ottoman Empire is over once and for all , your neighbors are fully prepared to protect themselves from your stupid aggressiveness and expansionism. so forget the dreams about Ottoman Empires and better stick to reality which is poverty and lack of civilization and quality of life for the average Turkish citizen.

ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

"i will only say what i do know but i wont say what i don't know about "

wowwwwwwwww.. Aristotales is alive.

@ Yasin

Quote: well take iran for example they are verry good at reverse engineering weapons

So called iranian defense industry is the laugh stock of entire world. Painting chinese silk worm missiles won't gonna make them iranian.

Quote: yeah but i have seen them gain a lot from copying i even heard some tales that they also designing there own fighter jet as well but im not talking about F5 with double tale wings

They are not designing anything,they dont have capability to do that. This has been discussed million times, you need to provide something to back your arguments.

SHAFAQ: This is a dead project, iranians wanking to these pics which the mock up itself developed by russians (in Aviation University Complex) and handed over to iranians.

Quoting Global Secutiry:
"Developed at Malek Ashtar University of Technology in Tehran, the project was initiated as an "educational exchange program" with Russia. More than 20 designers formerly employed at leading Soviet design bureaus Mikoyan and Sukhoi went to Tehran to develop the aircraft's planform and complete a full-up detailed design."

Last time I read in Jane's Defense Weekly, this propaganda crap canceled, and it was almost 3 years ago.



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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

Btw I'm not gonna talk about funny looking, twin stabilizer F-5s....ohh god...they also told they put russian RD-30 in it.....such liars these iranians are...

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

Btw I'm not gonna talk about funny looking, twin stabilizer F-5s....ohh god...they also told they put russian RD-30 in it.....such liars these iranians are...
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haha whats wrong with it Cani, I enjoy Acem Palavaras


For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan!
-Ziya Gokalp-

That would be the stupidest thing Turkey could do. What benefit would you get from it? All you'd be doing is pissing off the US and Israel and throwing them completely to the side of Greece.

In which case, I hope you do it!

Question isn't why Turkey should look to the midd-east but why the midd-east would look towards Turkey, especially a country like Iran with greater potential than all of the Toorkic countries combined..

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"""C-Poc is being very pretty""""
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"A drowning man is not troubled by rain" Persian Proverb


"You should not be afraid of the ideology but of the determination and will of the men behind it"

Go bark somewhere else loser, iran has nothing to provide.....

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

but its rely hard to belive after seeing the real deal like this one

^^^^^ Look at this insecure delusional sh!thead talking. whenever someone mentions Iran's influence and power you start getting mad, why is that? You're just jealouse and threatened is all. Admite it.

You remember during the 70's Iran was arsraping Toorkey in every field imaginable? You remember how iran had the 4th strongest military in the world and it's economy was gonna reach that of frances in a decade?

Seriously, the second the sanctions are lifted Iran will dominate everyone and everything in the region. Cause Iran has the resources and it has one of the most educated hard working people in the world.... all they need is moreopportunity.

even with all the sanctions and embargos Iran ad turkey aren't really different.

I have no idea why some of you turks get offended by the truth and historical facts... this just shows your insecurity and inferiority complex.

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"""C-Poc is being very pretty""""
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"A drowning man is not troubled by rain" Persian Proverb


"You should not be afraid of the ideology but of the determination and will of the men behind it"

My comments towards Caniplus.

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"""C-Poc is being very pretty""""
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"A drowning man is not troubled by rain" Persian Proverb


"You should not be afraid of the ideology but of the determination and will of the men behind it"

@ FC

In what field you're more advanced than Turkey back then...? Spell it out. you iranians....so much jealousy...


@ Yasin

That pic taken after russians handed out mock up of SHAFAG....it's dated back to 2004 as far as I recall.

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

LOL Jason, you really are an idiot, aren't you?

Watch out for the Syria-Turkey-Iran axis! HAHAHAHA!!!!

An Axis of backward blacks

wowwwwwwwww.. Aristotales is alive.

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lmao, attila ne komik adamsin.

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