WE HAVE THE APACHE HELICOPTER THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON OF THE WORLD.
TURKS DO YOU FEEL LUCKY.........

"WE HAVE THE APACHE HELICOPTER THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON OF THE WORLD.
TURKS DO YOU FEEL LUCKY......... "


Grik - WE HAVE 50 SOMTHIN SCALPS THE MOST POWERFUL CRUISE MISSILE IN THE WORLD !

Grik - WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 3 U-214 THE MOST POWERFUL SUBMARINE IN THE WORLD !

Grik - WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF VIETNAM ERA HELICOPTERS THE MOST POWERFUL TRANSPORT HELICOPTER IN THE WORLD !

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On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

Turkey by 2029.



Greece by 2010.

Turkish Armed Forces TODAY !!!!!





Hellenic Armed Forces Today





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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"

U have Mi-17 as well and we have CH-47 so stop making false statements.

Any modernisation on those Hueys ? The current Hueys in Turkish armed forces command received IR suppression systems like 11 years ago..

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On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

Fact 1: Mi-17's are not in service with the Turkish Army, they are in service with the Turkish Gerndarmarie.

Fact 2: The Mi-17's are not operational they are sitting in storage.

Fact 3: The Mi-17's were bought as means for Russia to pay Turkey some outstanding debt.

Fact 4: Turkey has 100+ UH-60's and 50+ AS532's in service and will be buying another 90 utility helcopters while Greece has been trying to put 20 NH-90's in service for the past 10 years!

Suggestion 1: Get your facts straight!

Suggestion 2: Go phuck yourselves!



I Hail The Flag

The Mi-17s are a reminder of Yeltsin era Russia's economic woes (they could pay us only with them)

On the other hand, as stated above, Turkey already has a massive fleet of Black Hawk helicopters (Turkey is the second largest operator after the United States) while 90 more means "a lot more"

Not to mention the 51 (+40 optional) T-129s, the 10 new Chinooks, 17 new Sea Hawks (bringing the total to 24), etc.

Add to them the existing Eurocopter Cougars, the modernized Hueys (which will eventually retire) and the Cobras/Super Cobras, and the "big picture" gets indeed very big.

DDD i should point out that PKK is shootong down a couple of your helos each year so u must have enouph
to replace them.

MI-17s are still most robust helicopters in the world, look outside Russians still selling hunderds of MI-17s every year. So it is logical to keep them in service.

"DDD i should point out that PKK is shootong down a couple of your helos each year so u must have enouph to replace them."

Beryoza stop being an idiot, its very unbecoming of you. The Turkish Army Helo losses are very well documented, utility helo losses have been minimal compared to attack helo's, infact we lost more utility helo's due to a hangar collapse from snow load than due to fighting the PKK the last 10 years!

I Hail The Flag

"MI-17s are still most robust helicopters in the world, look outside Russians still selling hunderds of MI-17s every year. So it is logical to keep them in service."

Dont kid yourself... the only reason they sell well is because they're cheap and easy to fix, otherwise they're absolute schit so far as performance and quality is concerned.

I Hail The Flag

Mi-17 is an underpowered and unreliable russian piece of **** if you ask me

Fact 4: Turkey has 100+ UH-60's and 50+ AS532's in service and will be buying another 90 utility helcopters while Greece has been trying to put 20 NH-90's in service for the past 10 years!

100+ UH-60 ARE EASY TARGETS FOR OUR APACHES and the AS532's SO WHAT?? The APACHE'S ARE STILL BETTER. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONGBOW.

So Suggestion 1: My facts ARE straight!

So Suggestion 2: have fun with your plastic doll!!

Wether we like it or not, the Turks have the edge in utility helicopters even after we receive our 20 NH-90's. However, we OTOH have the edge in attack helicopters.

This means Turks have superior transport abilities, able to move one commando brigade within the first wave. We OTOH have top tank-killing abilities and can obliterate far more Turkish tanks in one attack than Turks.

Flaming aside let`s talk seriously:

-Greek army is 1/5 of Turkish army in size so it makes sense to have much less
transport helliopters.
-Turkey needs many hellicopters to deal with PKK,u can`t transport easily Turkish troops
in Anatolia,the mountains are simply so many...
-Turkey is an offensive army,transport hellicopters are ideal to move soldiers quickly.
Greek army has limited offensive capabilities,that`s why we have so many SAM while Turkey
has none.We simply have different tactics and perception.

Greek army is 1/5 of Turkish army in size so it makes sense to have much less
transport helliopters.
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The size of the Greek Army in crisis period is 1/2,5 to that of Turkey not 1/5.

Anyaway, your argument does not stand, attack helicopter balance is 31 GR Apache's vs 30 TR Cobras. Figher aircraft balance is 300 GR jets ve 400 TR jets and so on. Simply we have neglected our airborne helicopter capabilities, everybody knows this.

we can arm our cobras with stinger missiles if we wanted to just like the T129

Yasin, your attack helicopter fleet is a joke with or without the Stinger.

its not myn its the TAF attack chopper so for being sarcastic lol

I told you,we don`t want to invade Turkey,our strategy is defensive! U see we have ZUBR in case
Turks occupy one of our islands and we want to take it back.

My personal opinion is that along with 15 CH-47 a fleet of 40 NH-90 are more than enouph for our dogma.

I told you,we don`t want to invade Turkey,our strategy is defensive! U see we have ZUBR in case
Turks occupy one of our islands and we want to take it back.

My personal opinion is that along with 15 CH-47 a fleet of 40 NH-90 are more than enouph for our dogma.

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Our strategy has swifted to counter-offensive in the 1998-2000 period with the latest structural reforms in Thrace and Macedonia, only Aegean troops are defensive. The latest exercise in Evros was to test Turkish time responses if you haven't noticed.

Greece needs at least 150 modern utilility choppers plus CH-47's to reinforce Aegean guarisons under pressure ans in the mean time strenghten armored units thrsting in Eastern Thrace with Airborn Infantry behind nemy lines. MInd you Greece is planning another Airborn Brigade in Crete for the Aegean front, as you know the 71st in Macedonia is oriented towards Thrace.

turkish helicopter numbers are impressive but so is the hellenic ground based air defense network,

those stingers will take a heavy toll on a large helli force as it tries to infiltrate the small locality of greece.