http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2jVRps_BrY

Turkey purchasing f35 is not a problem. the Cost to maintain the f35 is a big major problem.

No matter how hard you wash a Turk, he still stinks.

Nutuk , Cabatli any comments ?

we should go for the swedish fighters wich are designed to deter the russian ones

let the turks keep their flying dishwashers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON2Kbp7V0fA

and the GC's shour get a bunch of these russian babies as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON2Kbp7V0fA

we should go for the swedish fighters wich are designed to deter the russian ones

let the turks keep their flying dishwashers
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or even better their flying ,

^ Gayreek aerospace experts...

Turk Bir Dev

Well do us a favor buy Russian aircraft than

I completely agree that the Russian sukhoi is dominant in close combat.



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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

Cost and maintenance of the F35 is a problem he says

What a sucker!

Dude to maintain and fly an F16 one needs a crew of about 25 persons (mechanics, pilot etc.), to maintain and fly an F35 needs a crew of about 10 persons. The F35 is one of the cheapest aircraft to maintain.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

"to maintain and fly an F35 needs a crew of about 10 persons"

Do you really believe this bullsh!t?

Lockheed F-35 Still Raises Concerns, Pentagon Says (excerpt)


(Source: Bloomberg; issued Oct. 29, 2009)



Lockheed Martin Corp.s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter still poses a risk of cost increases, according to an independent study of the Pentagons most expensive weapons program, the Defense Department spokesman said today.

The new cost estimate is pessimistic and continues to raise concerns about the course the program is on, Geoff Morrell, the departments spokesman, said at a news conference. Ash Carter, the Pentagons top weapons buyer, has been briefed on the analysis by the Joint Estimate Team, Morrell said.

If the Joint Estimate Team provided especially good news, we would be trumpeting it, Morrell said. It provides us a worst-case assessment of how the program will likely develop.

The Pentagon will weigh the teams analysis against the Joint Strike Fighter program office, which is generally much more optimistic, he said.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has bet the Pentagons long- term fighter-jet modernization on the F-35 after canceling additional production of the F-22. U.S. lawmakers and international partners such as the U.K. have a stake in the cost of the $298 billion program because of its implications for future budgets.

The cost assessment of the fighter is an update to one completed a year ago. The earlier study estimated the program may need as much as $16.6 billion more than planned through 2015 for research and production. Morrell declined to give precise figures from the latest assessment.

Modest Risks

Lockheed acknowledges that modest risks to our cost and schedule baselines exist, but we envision no scenario that would justify a substantial delay to completion of development or transition to production milestones, spokesman John Kent in an e-mailed statement. (end of excerpt)
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/109549/jsf-costs-raise-pentagon-%E2%80%98concerns%E2%80%99.html





Thunder Supports Rafale

http://rafale.freeforums.org
http://rafale.freeforums.org/rafale-vs-f-16-aerodynamics-compared-t69.html

F35 has an initial high purchase price granted, however the aircraft is designed for low maintenance cost, lower than that of the F16.

I don't think we need to discuss Turkey's decission here, our decission is fair and clear: F35

Greece is the one who cannot see her own nose!

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

fair enough nutuk.

now for an expert's opinion please refer to the topic i started earlier. thnx

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Quoting a Turkish forumer:
"It's a well known fact that most of the boys or girls living in south-eastern Turkey are losing their virginities to horses or dogs of their villages, so I don't think this will suprise any Turk in this forum; we are used to these kinda news..."

Pr Obama is thinking of shutting down the production of the F22 and F35 due to the high cost

No matter how hard you wash a Turk, he still stinks.

nutfuk,

let me break it down into turko sized pieces for your walnut brain:

F-35 is already obsolete for the USAF and USN. america has the technological capacity to design and produce a stealthy strike UCAV that would be superior in its mission, and cheaper in every way than F-35. it is a bloated, busted, legacy project from the era of the manned LO strike platform. i'm saying this as an american. i support axing it and replacing it with a range of mission-optimized UCAVs...

this brings us to turko-bite number two, a compromised basic airframe design. in trying to replace a range of mission-optimized aircraft, the ethos behind F-35 was that (avionic)payload matteres more than platform. that is to say, the sophisticated data fusion, LO, and sensor systems of F-35 are supposed to give it the accuracy and survivability to do 12,000 lbs of work with 4,000 lbs of boom-boom. bullchit. why not just lob a few LACM? it gets even funnier as you consider its other promised 'multirole' escapades:
AIR SUPERIORITY with a DOG thrust/weight ratio and inferior turning performance.
CAS! would you buy a 100+ million dollar plane for CAS? would you buy a ferrari to haul pig manure? CAS planes are cheap and rugged... oh yeah also OBSOLETE in manned fixed wing config.

STEALTH!!! cry the hopeless turkos. good luck, you won't be getting full-up USAF/USN LO capabilities. i promise you. i don't care what you read.

the future only gets scarier for F-35. its going to see its orders slashed from every direction, driving unit costs ever higher. what fresh delays and surprises await this program? who knows.


-THINK HARDER TURKOS.

and thats why we invested on nEUROn

see it this way nutsak

you invest billions on flying dishwashers

we invest millions on ergonomical tools to do the same job for us

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON2Kbp7V0fA

I doubt that unmanned UCAV's will ever replace manned aircrafts, yes they will be used without doubt but replacement is something else.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)

maybe in dogfights where nanoseconds count, but in bombing the shiet out of something well..they cost less, maintenance is less, no human casualties on the agressors behalf

they do the job with precision,and its a bargain what else is to think about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON2Kbp7V0fA

UCAV's have still limitations, they are perfectionized no doubt but without having whole the infrastructure namely multiple spy satellites to relay UCAV data and steering etc. she will remain limited.

Let me put it this way: UCAV's are still in the pioneer age, first and maybe 2nd generation to follow up while fighter aircrafts have matured to 5th generation. The UCAV has still a lot to catch up and will take at least 20 years to mature.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)
Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)