can you guys translate this for me dont i know what it means in english i dont know how to put it in english thanks
This message has been edited by Cizerim on Nov 3, 2009 5:14 PM This message has been edited by yasin22 on Nov 3, 2009 12:06 PM This message has been edited by yasin22 on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM
Thats not a secret Ataturk was a muslim, but as told in video as well, some part of anti-islamist people try to use him for their benefits by hiding the truth. And another general thought of them is " If you are a muslim you cant be a Kemalist, if you are a Kemalist you have to be an atheist or anti-islamist!" This is a stupid thought unfortunately some of Waff forummers have that.
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk was a great leader and a great patriot, I'm on my knees in front of him with my respect. First of all he was a good muslim. The real enemies of him those who say he was an atheist or a jew or something else. Those people never can understand his mentality. Rest in peace great leader.
Come to your Daddy
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Re: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Hakkinda Bilmedikleriniz
November 3 2009, 12:21 PM
And another general thought of them is " If you are a muslim you cant be a Kemalist, if you are a Kemalist you have to be an atheist or anti-islamist!"
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Thats what the yobaz fanatics always say. They cant comprehend that "kemalism" or "Atatürkcülük" is a mundane ideology and doesnt interfere with religion; be it islam, buddhism ect...
Re: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Hakkinda Bilmedikleriniz
November 3 2009, 12:57 PM
@YAsin kardas
dont be stupid, have u seen this movie:
^^^
I recommend every real Turk to watch the film Mustafa.
Kemalist scums hate this movie becos it shows all the facts about the closet Mustafa Kemal. They even tried to ban it, but couldnt be successful lol.
Some real facts that has been hidden from Turkish nation all these years:
Fact No1:
He was an alcoholic, consuming 2 litters of raki (greek alcohol) every night. He used to start drinking at 5pm until 5am and then wake up at 4pm drink 20 cups of coffee and and again start drinking at 5pm. This cycle continued until the doctors discovered cirosis in his liver.
Fact No2:
He was not a good army commander, all of his tactics were given by Kazim Karabekir whom he later sent to house imprisonment.
Fact No3:
He was an extremely cruel man. He sent most of his close friends to execution cambers. All of his friends who helped him to win the war were either hung or sent to exile.
Fact No4:
He hated Islam and the Anatolian folk. He banned all religios institutions and closed down hundreds of mosques, prosecuted many religios leaders.
Fact No5:
He went blind in his later years due to heavy drinking.
Fact No6:
He was from Rumelia and could speak Greek but always hided it from everyone. He was infact in love with a Greek girl from Selanik.
Fact No7:
He was an animal and raped many young girls during his later years, kind of syndromes usually homosexuals have, becos they hate women. Thats why he got divorced after less than 2 years of marriage.
Fact No8 (my own observation):
He was NOT a Turk, but a cheap Rumelian convert from Selanik.
Re: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Hakkinda Bilmedikleriniz
November 3 2009, 1:04 PM
people say too much things about our caliphates and people say to much things about mk its like as if they want us so called islamist and kemalist to hate each other or something trying to create more groups in turkiye
This message has been edited by yasin22 on Nov 3, 2009 1:10 PM
Re: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Hakkinda Bilmedikleriniz
November 3 2009, 1:07 PM
look what happent to tezel becous of this yobaz kafir discussions he changet his group making anti religion post what im trying to say the grown ups fighting but the real blow goes to the children
Re: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Hakkinda Bilmedikleriniz
November 3 2009, 1:09 PM
look what happent to tezel becous of this yobaz kafir discussions he changet his group making anti religion post what im trying to say the grown ups fighting but the real blow goes to the children
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Tezek was an atheist fack from the very beginning, he s a lost case anyway, who gives a fack. he wont be coming back to Turkiye anyway, will keep sucking his english m,asters cock in north london.
its good that most of the atheist facks are leaving Turkiye for good.
Re: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Hakkinda Bilmedikleriniz
November 3 2009, 1:15 PM
he started the "muslim" vs "kemalist" hatret in this board every time some people start to put watter in the fire he comes and starts it from the beginning im not a kemalist abut i dont share aslans viev .
Re: Mustafa Kemal Atatürk Hakkinda Bilmedikleriniz
November 3 2009, 2:51 PM
Brother Yavuz, read my words carefully inshallah...
Wether Ataturk was a good Muslim or not, even if he was Jewish or involved in Masonic organisations the fact of the matter is Allah used Mustafa Kemal to bring victory to the Turkish nation.
Otherwise we would be occupied and under rule of the kafurs, the fact that we were attacked from every direction by the Colonialists and the the rest of the Muslim World had abandoned Jihad and we Turks were only ones still left fighting.
We lost the right to the Caliphate when we lost Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem - mainly because of the Arab Revolt.
The only people who still gave allegience to the Caliphate were the Muslims of Asia and they were too weak to come to our aid.
Therefore Mustafa Kemal - or any leader of Turkey - was in a very weak position and left to fight alone with the back to the wall.
Had we lost the Independence War and had we kept on going with a Caliphate we would have had 2 things.
1. No Authority over Muslim World, because Holy Cities are not in our control. Therefore the Caliph would be a pointless figurehead like the Pope with no power.
That is not what Caliphate is about, Caliphate is all about Muslim SUPER-STATE with Muslims united One Banner with One leader and helping each other.
You cant have Caliphate when you only have 1 country left, and have no control over the 3 Holiest Cities in Islam, and when the Muslims are divided and half of them are helping the Crusaders.
2. The result of not founding a Republic would have been that the Allies would not have left Turkey alone and would have continued attacks and eventually the end result would be endless War with mass-genocide of Muslims of Anatolia and destruction of Mosques and holy places.
Therefore Ataturk compromised and settled for peace. Call him weak, call him smart - whatever it does not matter.
This gave Turkey time to rebuild our forces and catch up both technologically and in scientific fields.
You have to see these events in the light of the Prophecies of Prophet Muhammed (Saw) who informed of us what will happen.
Now Turkey is much stronger than it was 100 years ago, and forget the Allies there is no power on earth that can even hope to conquer a inch of our territory.
We await the Mahdi like rest of the Islamic world, the Caliphate will be restablished and the Muslims will wake up to this duty.
Until then let the atheists say what they want and live as they want, when the Time comes they will come back into the fold of Islam or live as Dhimmis. Meanwhile we can use them to strengthen Turkey and make it a unconquerable fortress - which will spearhead the conquest of Rome inshallah as the Prophet (saw) predicted that Constantinople will be conquered first and then Rome is next.
As Allah says in the Koran:
"The Infidels planned, And Allah also planned, And Allah is the best of planners" Quran 3:54
The final victory will be for Islam, and everything else will be a footnote in history.
This message has been edited by Murad66 on Nov 3, 2009 2:52 PM
Re: Things you didn't know about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
November 3 2009, 8:26 PM
Ataturk, in many ways, was Henry VIII of Islam. He tried to modernise this religion which he deemed backward or kept backward by pseudo-muslims who think they were following it.
Unfortunately, he did not live long enough to carry out or I should say, complete his religious reforms.
Some interesting quotes by him, gives you an idea what his perspective on religion was;
"He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go. Let them worship as they will; every man can follow his own conscience, provided it does not interfere with sane reason or bid him against the liberty of his fellow-men."
o Quoted in Atatürk: The Biography of the founder of Modern Turkey, by Andrew Mango; "In a book published in 1928, Grace Ellison quotes [Atatürk], presumably in 1926-27", Grace Ellison Turkey Today (London: Hutchinson, 1928)
"It is claimed that religious unity is also a factor in the formation of nations. Whereas, we see the contrary in the Turkish nation. Turks were a great nation even before they adopted Islam. This religion did not help the Arabs, Iranians, Egyptians and others to unite with Turks to form a nation. Conversely, it weakened the Turks national relations; it numbed Turkish national feelings and enthusiasm. This was natural, because Mohammedanism was based on Arab nationalism above all nationalities.
o Yurttaslik Bilgileri, Yenigun Haber Ajansi (1997 edition) p. 18
"Religion is a link between Allah and the individual believer. The brokerage of the pious cannot be permitted. Those who use religion for their own benefit are detestable. We are against such a situation and will not allow it. Those who use religion in such a manner have fooled our people; it is against just such people that we have fought and will continue to fight. Know that whatever conforms to reason, logic, and the advantages and needs of our people conforms equally to Islam. If our religion did not conform to reason and logic, it would not be the perfect religion, the final religion."
"The foundation of our religion is very strong. The material is strong as well, but the building itself was neglected for hundreds of years. As the plaster dropped down, none thought to replace it and none felt the need to reinforce the building. Quite the contrary: many foreign elements and interpretations, as well as empty beliefs, came along and damaged it still more."
o As quoted in Kemalizm, Laiklik ve Demokrasi [Kemalism, Laicism and Democracy] (1994) by Ahmet Taner Kışlalı
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Re: Things you didn't know about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
November 4 2009, 2:04 AM
"Wether Ataturk was a good Muslim or not, even if he was Jewish or involved in Masonic organisations the fact of the matter is Allah used Mustafa Kemal to bring victory to the Turkish nation.
Allah used Mustafa Kemal to bring victory to the Turkish nation.
Otherwise we would be occupied and under rule of the kafurs, the fact that we were attacked from every direction by the Colonialists and the the rest of the Muslim World had abandoned Jihad and we Turks were only ones still left fighting."
if this was true allah would of used some one alse
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