Why should i alter it? Where is the freedom of EXPRESSION? I live in the UK, not turkiye, maybe in turkey the MIT would knock on my door but now the mi5 is protecting me and trust me, the mit (which bumchums mossad and cia) is nothing compared to m15, we poison people alive and cover cases as accidents, wtf do your secret agents do? bumsuck the usa?
long live freedom of expression and democracy, thanks greeks for inventing democ, i can say whatever i like WHERE i like.
The epic story of a mongol-turcoman
scythio timurid who executed order 67, a massaceration of traitors.
This message has been edited by tezelturk on Nov 3, 2009 11:11 PM
cabatli_53 (Login cabatli_53) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: Tayyip Erdogan and Kurt Expansion !!!
November 3 2009, 11:20 PM
Tezel, Do not take it like insult... It was a kindly recommend for you... It is certain that You are free to alter it or not.. It is completely your desicion. We only told our opinion... At least, Those are what I thought for your signiture...
This message has been edited by cabatli_53 on Nov 3, 2009 11:22 PM
O ok abi, no problem, i understand its for my own good but i just want them to know that there are people out there willing to man-slaughter his family...
The epic story of a mongol-turcoman
scythio timurid who executed order 67, a massaceration of traitors.
Dolphins dominate (Login flyturkish) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: Tayyip Erdogan and Kurt Expansion !!!
November 4 2009, 9:43 PM
Erdogan is a traitor to our republic an our secular constitution he deserves to be shot on side ! once we embrace the truth that there is no God and all this BS is what has held us back for so long . As religion is the greatest threat to man kind
All science has to do is bury the Jesus story which was originally pagan anyway untill the pre-christians stole and enhanced the fairy tale. If science burys the Jesus story then all other Abrahamic religions will seize to exist, in other words, forget about destroying Islam but concentrate all resources on christianity, like a domino effect all religions will go down after jesus is proven to not have existed, and we shall have, peace.
The epic story of a mongol-turcoman
scythio timurid who executed order 67, a massaceration of traitors.
Actually it is becoming more apparent that science is as close to "the truth" as religion is. Science was more respectable half a century ago, the post-modern world accepts science was given more credit then it deserved.
ps sorry for killing the conversation.
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Dolphins dominate (Login flyturkish) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: Tayyip Erdogan and Kurt Expansion !!!
November 4 2009, 10:11 PM
what kind of horribly things have been committed in the name of religion the list is long very very long we have to put an end to it .
Actually it is becoming more apparent that science is as close to "the truth" as religion is. Science was more respectable half a century ago, the post-modern world accepts science was given more credit then it deserved.
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this has only one explanation, money holders, bankers, riches who once supported science against church finally owned all the power, gained control over church and now decided to use religion to drive ppl for their own benefit.
Infact religion had been used as a tool to have power or money in all history long, maybe it was "invented" just for that purpose, kings, clergy class, emperors, politicians, ordinary thefts etc..
For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan!
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Actually science moves towards to an omnipotent creator. A couple of years ago it was almost impossible to be religious when conducting bio-sciences. But now the situation has changed dramatically. We have many genious scientists (Dembski,Collins,Miller etc.) that freely express their belief. Usually its a belief in an omnipotent creator that is not defined in any sense. (As in Islam)
Intelligent design that incorporates evolution as well is slowly but strongly getting attention, wether if its critical or not. Evolution once fully proven is probably one of the greatest mechanisms that creates diversity of life and is another brilliant mechanism done by an omnipotent creator.
Physics is showing us that energy,information and matter is directly linked together and that a materialistic definition of the universe is outdated. The CERN-experiment and the ITER-reactor will show every ignorant moron how energy can be achieved by colliding/fusion of atoms.
Another experiment that verifies that information and matter is linked was done by Gisin in CERN
If you believe in destiny, it doesnt matter if the universe and life was created by a multiverse, by chemical evolution etc.
The day deterministic processes will be disproven by science, will be the day destiny and therefore no omnipotent creator does exist.
For now the clear opposite is happening. Even in the last corner of random chance (e.g quantum physics) deterministic processes have been found recently.
Dawkins defends comments about "Alien Designers" :
...life could conceivably have been seeded on Earth by an alien intelligence from another planet (Francis Crick and Leslie Orgel suggested something similar -- semi tongue-in-cheek). The conclusion I was heading towards was that, even in the highly unlikely event that some such 'Directed Panspermia' was responsible for designing life on this planet, the alien beings would THEMSELVES have to have evolved, if not by Darwinian selection, by some equivalent 'crane' (to quote Dan Dennett). My point here was that design can never be an ULTIMATE explanation for organized complexity. Even if life on Earth was seeded by intelligent designers on another planet, and even if the alien life form was itself seeded four billion years earlier, the regress must ultimately be terminated (and we have only some 13 billion years to play with because of the finite age of the universe). Organized complexity cannot just spontaneously happen"
As we all know Dawkins would rather commit suicide than adressing this possible designer as God,Allah but if even Dawkins(!) starts speaking of intelligent design then atheists should really start to rethink their ideas of random establishment of existence (What an oxymoron LOL!)
New theories that suggest that the whole universe,multiverse is created by biocentrism are getting more and more attention :
"Biocentrism is a scientific theory that posits that life creates the universe rather than the other way around. In this view, current theories of the physical world do not work, and can never be made to work, until they fully account for life and consciousness."
When we look at our brains which suggest reality only in form of electrical/chemical impulses it becomes clear why such a theory could be true...
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This message has been edited by eddy85 on Nov 5, 2009 1:01 AM
But in any case the Aliens are probably watching over us, observing and examining human behaviour, in fact maybe religion was implanted by them Who knows
The epic story of a mongol-turcoman
scythio timurid who executed order 67, a massaceration of traitors.
Tezel Islam doesnt define the creator in any sense. That means his appearance (Whether if its matter,energy or not)
can be everything. That even includes the "alien-scenario" of Dawkins aswell.
But our religion forms a huge difference to Dawkins statements. Allah was not created or born so he is in fact a creator that doesnt require creation. But even when this is fully against our underdeveloped HUMAN logic, that doesnt mean that this is not explainabale by science.
Since we dont and probably will never understand the universe,multiverse with our limited brain-capabilities we will never witness the truth.
The problem we have nowadays is that humans, who still only can produce their energy by very very simple methods such as generators and still only understand a microscopic fraction of the whole think, they have found the truth.
Humans have evolved technology but the REAL questions still remained unanswered since the stone-age, which is very pathetic for a species that declared to have found the truth.
You could partially access the truth when you are dead but im not quite sure if youll still be able to understand the whole (I assume you wont)
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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein
This message has been edited by eddy85 on Nov 5, 2009 1:21 AM
"Islam does not deny Christian Religion nor Jesus.. "
no but it does deny some of the versions of events that took place in the bible. like jesus being the son of god.
the reason islam was sent to us was because the bible was corrupted. so disproving events in the bible only strengthens islams claims not weakens. it proves why there was a need to send it.
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