After the Israelis received a stab in the back by their Turkish "allies", is it time for Hellas to move in for comprehensive cooperation in defense and technology sectors with the Israeli defense industry?

It appears that Tel Aviv will seek to re-align itself with Athens instead of Ankara given the recent Turkish overtures to Tehran.

A relationship with Israel can be mutually beneficial.





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no doubt about that I would do the same the AKP administration is after all supporting a wide range of issues it has so to speak taken sides ! arguing that Iran has a right of nuclear power and the right to develop nuclear weapons tech and so on it is not a surprise at all .

Further more it is fueling and anti Jewish climate ! It has been coming ever since the AKP took office , What will be next who knows for the sake of our republic and our secular constitution we have to get rid of em asap .

Hellas must move in to fill the stategic alliance vacuum created. The Israelis can provide us with a wealth of intelligence sharing on the Turks (satellite espionage) and Hellas can also use the pro-Israeli lobby against Turkey.

The Turks are creating more enemies for themselves. With overtures to Iran, we can be certain that the pro-Israeli lobby in Washington will put up as many road blocks possible for any US military tech transfers.

Turkey will be perceived more and more as a hostile and anti-West country thus ensuring US technology all goes to Greece instead.





Seal of the great and respected House of Laskareon, Komnenon, Palaiologon, Aggelon of Byzantium. In Christ, believers of God.

Emperors of the Romans, Vandals, and all of Anatolia.

It appears that Tel Aviv will seek to re-align itself with Athens instead of Ankara given the recent Turkish overtures to Tehran.

A relationship with Israel can be mutually beneficial.
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Any sources or is this another one of those "The World According to Kallimachos" posts? Where does it appear that Tel Aviv will re-align itself with Athens? When was Tel Aviv ever aligned with Athens?

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What ever man the fact is the AKP will isolate Turkey in the long run arguing it is seeking peace while undermining secular constitution . I sincerely hope the military will put an end to it asap

Israeli ambassador in Turkey Gabi Levy was pelted with eggs on Wednesday by Turkish university students, according to various reports.


Israeli ambassador in Turkey Gabi Levy's car in the aftermath of Wednesday's student protest.
Photo: c/o Channel 10

SLIDESHOW: Israel & Region | World Turkish daily Hurriyet reported that during Levy's visit to the Black Sea Technical University, a group of students congregated around him, shouting slogans such as "Israel's child killers are not wanted in our universities," calling Israel a "fascist" country and hurling eggs at Levy's car until security personnel intervened.

Several students were arrested, and the ambassador was forced to cut short his visit to the institution.

The ambassador was slated to speak at the university during a tour of historic Turkish city of Trabzon.

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"The people of Israel have a great interest in the [Black Sea] region," Levy was quoted as saying, referring in his speech to the influx of Israeli tourism in the area.

Also during Levy's Black Sea visit, the mayor of coastal city Rize, Halil Bakirci, criticized Israel's "policy of occupation" and said that Turkey's stance on Israel would "not change as long as it continues," according to a report in Turkish publication Turkiye.


Pro-Palestinian Turks set on fire an Israeli flag as they stage a protest against Israel, in Istanbul, Turkey.
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"The people of Rize may defend themselves against any threat, but they will not do so by killing children," Bakirci was quoted as saying. Levy was said to be "disappointed" by the comments.

Foreign Ministry Director-General Yossi Gal called the incident "an unfortunate public disturbance" in an interview with Channel 10 conducted later on Wednesday.

Relations between Israel and Turkey have been strained since October, when Ankara canceled a joint NATO drill in which Israel had been slated to participate, citing war crimes committed during the IDF's Operation Cast Lead last winter.

The cancellation was soon followed by the airing a Turkish television series on a popular state-run channel which depicted IDF soldiers as heartless murderers of women and children.

Anti-Israeli statements were freely expressed by the government in Ankara, for decades Israel's only ally in the Middle East, and the acting Turkish ambassador in Israel was summoned by the Foreign Ministry for questioning.

Although Turkey originally emerged from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire as the region's only secular republic, the country's ruling party has clear Islamic leanings.







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Report: US diplomats urge Turkey to restore relations with Israel
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Text .By NICHOLAS BIRCH, CHARLES LEVINSON and MARC CHAMPION
A war of words ignited by a new Turkish TV series depicting Israeli military atrocities escalated Friday, shaking what is probably Israel's strongest partnership in the Middle East.

The first episode of the series, "Separation," aired Wednesday on the public channel TRT, showed what appeared to be an Israeli soldier gunning down an unarmed Palestinian girl in a cul de sac. Shortly afterward, another soldier shoots a newborn baby.

The images sparked outrage in Israel. Labor unions said they would boycott Turkey as a vacation destination, and Israel summoned Turkey's ambassador Thursday to lodge a protest. Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said in a statement Thursday the series "would not be appropriate in an enemy country and certainly not in a state which maintains diplomatic relations with Israel."

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A scene from the controversial new Turkish television drama 'Separation.'
.Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu responded Friday by criticizing Israel's treatment of Palestinians. He said a recent decision to exclude Israel from planned North Atlantic Treaty Organization exercises in central Turkey was made in response to public outrage in Turkey over Israel's treatment of Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.

"While the tragedy in Gaza continues, nobody should expect us to put on military displays of this sort," Mr. Davutoglu said.

As for the TV series, Mr. Davutoglu said: "Turkey is not a country based on censorship."

Officials and analysts in both countries said the split reveals Ankara no longer needs or wants Israel the way it once did.

The two countries have long had strong diplomatic and trade relations, and Turkey has been a substantial buyer of Israeli military hardware. For years, Israeli pilots trained in Turkish airspace. As recently as August, Turkey took part in joint naval exercises with Israel.

But the ties were built in a period when Turkey felt hemmed in on all sides, analysts say. In the 1980s and 1990s, Turkey had poor relations with Iraq and shared with Israel a deep suspicion of Iran. It was also fighting a guerrilla war with Kurdish militants. In 1998, it came close to war with Syria. Turkey was also in conflict with Greece over Cyprus, while then communist Bulgaria and Armenia were historical and Cold War rivals. Ankara needed Israel's military hardware and intelligence sharing.

"In the 1990s, Turkish foreign policy was guided by security issues, and that pushed Turkey closer to Israel," says Kadri Gursel, a columnist for the centrist daily Milliyet.

But under Mr. Davutoglu and his boss, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey has worked hard to fix those problems and reintegrate into the region. This month, Turkey signed significant agreements with Armenia, Syria and Iraq.

"There is no need for this [partnership with Israel] anymore," said Huseyin Bagci, professor of International Relations at the Middle East Technical University in Ankara.

Mr. Bagci predicts that Turkey increasingly will look to Italy, France and other suppliers to buy arms, rather than Israel.

The breakdown in relations also appears personal. Mr. Erdogan walked off the stage at the World Economic Forum in Davos in January after clashing with President Shimon Peres of Israel over the conflict in Gaza. In a recent interview with The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Erdogan was still simmering.

"If you look at Gaza, 1,500 people died, 5,000 people were wounded, infrastructure, the superstructures were all demolished. ... What happened afterwards? There was nothing," said Mr. Erdogan.

Israel and some Turkish analysts see an ideological component to the dispute, noting the Islamist roots of the ruling Justice and Development Party. "We've seen Turkey evolve and change since Erdogan's Islamic party took power," the senior Israeli official said.

Mr. Erdogan, in the interview, insisted his position wasn't driven by identification with Muslim Palestinians, but by the need for honesty and fairness.

Turkish officials insist the relationship is far from dead. "Let's make no mistake. We value a continuation of relations with Israel, but not at any cost," said ruling-party official Suat Kiniklioglu.






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Turkey has postponed a joint air force drill after opposing Israel's participation, the Israeli army says.

The regular exercise to improve international aerial cooperation was to involve several Nato air forces.

But Israel's exclusion led to the United States and Italy refusing to take part in the exercise either.

Relations between Israel and Turkey have cooled since Ankara criticised Israel's offensive in the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip in December and January.

Turkey and Israel have previously enjoyed close military cooperation and conduct joint naval exercises.

The two countries share intelligence and have strong trade ties, following a military cooperation agreement in 1996.

Turkey is one of the few Muslim countries to have relations with Israel, but these have been under strain since the Islamist-rooted AK Party was elected to power in 2002.

In January, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan publicly criticised Israel over the Gaza campaign and walked out of a session of the World Economic Forum in Switzerland attended by Israeli President Shimon Peres .








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@Kalli

Yeah okay, but where does it talk about that Tel Aviv will re-align herself with Athens?

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region's only secular republic, the country's ruling party has clear Islamic leanings.

right on all the way the comments made by AKP officials in the resent past have clearly shown there dislike for the west and indirectly made clear what the AKPs real agenda is . There sympathies with Iran has clearly shown what there real intentions are .


The AKP is not interested in maintaining any ties with Israel and is using the Palestinian issue as an excuse to create hate a base where the AKP can build on to win more supporters for there politics and therefore justifying further constitutional changes

Turkey and Israel fall out
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Turkish prime minister Rejeb Erdogan

Bulgaria could be one of the beneficiaries of a recent falling out between erstwhile allies Turkey and Israel.

In the wake of deteriorating relations between the countries, Israel's largest labour union has cancelled planned organised tours to Turkey and has decided to re-direct holidaymakers to Greece and Bulgaria instead. Since January, there has been a 47 per cent drop in the number of Israelis spending their holidays in Turkey.

Turkey has enjoyed traditionally close ties with Israel in the past few years. But recent events have soured the relationship. In the light of Israel's incursions into Gaza, which triggered an angry walkout from Turkish prime minister Rejeb Erdogan during a meeting with Israeli president Shimon Peres earlier this year, the cancellation of joint military manoeuvres planned for October 12 and a fierce diplomatic row over a Turkish drama depicting Israeli soldiers as killers, the "friendship" seems doomed.

Israel's foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman was particularly enraged by the Turkish serial, a fictional drama depicting the Israeli army as child killers. Meanwhile, Turkey's prime minister Rejeb Erdogan told the Anatolia Press Agency last week that he had banned Israel from the military drill in response to the wishes of the Turkish public. "Turkey does not take orders from anyone in regards to its internal affairs," Erdogan said.

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has now categorically rejected any future mediating role for Turkey in talks with Syria. An unnamed "senior Israeli official" was quoted by Haaretz as stating that the strategic ties with Turkey may "have simply ended". Meanwhile, the Jerusalem Post quoted some Israeli defence officials as stating that "advanced weapons sales to Turkey would now be reviewed."





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Turkey now aligns with Iran, against Israel
October 27, 11:41 AMWake County Independent ExaminerStephanie AveryPrevious

Iranian President welcomes Turkish PM

on Tuesday. Photo: APOn October 13th, Turkey canceled a NATO military exercise because Israel also was participating. The Associated Press reports "Israel's good ties with Turkey a mostly Muslim nation have been a boost for Israel over the years, easing its isolation in the region at a time of tension between the Jewish state and much of the Muslim world." There are now "concerns in Israel about threats to its close military and economic ties with a key Muslim nation." Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has slammed Israel as a "persecutor" that has launched attacks against Gazan civilians. And last week, Turkish TV aired a drama portraying an Israeli soldier walking up to a Palestinian child and barbarically shooting her point-blank.

And today, this Prime Minister is in Iran supporting their nuclear defense program! Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad praised Erdogan for his "clear stance against" Israel, Iran's state media reported.

And the Israel National News reports Turkey's Prime Minister confirmed his country's increasingly close ties with Iran in an interview with British newspaper The Guardian. Erdogan said of Ahmadinejad, There is no doubt he is our friend.

And on a side note, Ezekiel 38-39 indicates Iran and Turkey (Persia and Gomer, respectively) will form an alliance with each other in the 'last days'. It also states Russia and a group of other nations will also become hostile to Israel.

No matter what your beliefs are, these are trying times in the Middle East. These are also scary and unpredictable times for many. There is no doubt the potential for war is escalating.







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Just a few comments which clearly state in which direction the AKP is heading

Erdogan said of Ahmadinejad, There is no doubt he is our friend.

Turkey PM: If you don't want Iran to have nukes, give yours up

"I think that those who take this stance, who want these arrogant sanctions, need to first give these [weapons] up. We shared this opinion with our Iranian friends, our brothers."

Turkey, Iran to open mutual banks for local currency trade
Turkey and Iran have agreed to set up banks mutually in one another, Iran's First Vice President said on Wednesday.

After his meeting with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Mohammad Reza Rahimi told a joint news conference that Turkey would establish a bank in Iran and Iran would establish another in Turkey.

"These banks will be established to give loans in Turkish and Iranian currencies," he said.

Banks will also open accounts on national currencies, Rahimi said.

An Iranian delegation will travel to Turkey soon for talks to open these banks, he added.

There is no doubt Erdogan is taking the first steps in oder to prepare for a big change he will rip our nation apart and destroy what we have fought for . He is the enemy we have to worry about the most !

Hellas should create an alliance with Israel against the Turkish hordes. Bulgaria can also be included.

The combined air forces of Hellas and Israel could smash Turkey in any war.





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kali,

it is my opinion that the turkish state has more to fear from mossad than they do from the hellenic armed forces. the tense balance of antagonistic power groups in turkey creates a sitiuation where a campaign of carefully orchestrated 'events' could destabilize the government and send the country into turmoil. mossad has the balls and skills to undertake such a campaign if ordered. thats one of the real strengths of israel, excellent human intelligence capabilities (especially in the ME region), combined with an almost daredevil esprit de corps.

intelligence is the lifeblood of israel. they will never share it with greece, no matter how angry they become with the turks.

lol what happened to the IRAN alliance you griks were craving for ? Bunch of clowns..

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On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz.

On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile.

Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s.

Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles.

Kalli, stop smoking the hash.



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it is my opinion that the turkish state has more to fear from mossad than they do from the hellenic armed forces.<<<<<<<<< <br>


I believe that it is not only your opinion, but it is solid fact. The Mossad's access to the most unbelievable amounts of intel is staggering to say the least. Their operations in Turkey are already very well organized and implanted. And you are right, they would not share whatever they know with Greece, of course not. And anyone who believes that they really shared much with turkey either is living in an alternate universe. Israel is for Israel , thats it. They don't really share unless it will benefit them completely and then even MAYBE.



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On a side note, I wouldn't mind Israeli alliance with Greece, if they can prove that there is something in it for Hellenic interests. They would have to make the first move though. As for the Greece/Bulgaria/Israeli idea, that definitely isn't going to happen. Especially the Bulgaria part. Bulgaria has the idea of becoming Uncle Sam's whore, and the Mossad would never enter into an alliance which would look to score points with Uncle Sam, for obvious reasons.



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Problem is many Zionist organizations in America have spent decades fostering relationships with Turkey and promoting their interests in Congress. That won't change overnight. They're pissed at Turkey for the latest falling out, but foreign policy doesn't change directions very fast. Takes time. And Greeks in the US are not going to forget the decades that American Jewish groups promoted Turkey's interests at the expense of Greece. Let's not forget Kissinger's complicity in Cyprus.

What can Greece offer to Israel ?

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/showfull.php?photo=11825

Well........... lets see what we can offer Israel, Feta, Olives, Figs ! Hows that for starters !

Maybe even a couple of turkish slaves to try sum chemical experiments on !!!!!!!!!

We have excellent relations with the Arab world and Iran.

The Arab world and Iran is almost 400 million. Israel is 7 million.

What can we gain from being friends - or "allies" with the Israelis?

An alliance with the Israelis makes no sense.


First, the Arabs are a bigger market.

Second, the Muslims are our friends.

Third, the Israelis don't consider anyone an "ally" - they have even sold out the USA on many occasions (and without the USA Israel wouldn't exist).

Fourth, the US Jew lobby just wouldn't do much good for Greece. It would take far too long to get them on our side as they've been cnditioned for years to side against us.

Fifth, Israel would never back us up physically in a war.

Sixth, Israel would not provide us with any weapns we can't already get.

etc etc etc etc

Barba, with the possible exception of the millions of Orthodox Arab Christians, the arabs really aren't our friends. We simply maintain cordial relations. There are no friends in international relations as well.



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Greece is too insignificant to have an influence over countries outside its immediate surroundings.

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/showfull.php?photo=11825

"Orthodox Arab"

they got butchered as well in palistine together with there palistine muslim bros