While the Greek is still in a slumbering wintersleep the Turkish side is gaining more and more ground in capabilities.

In a war for islands UAV's will take a huge share for their part, since situational awareness, target location and firepower will be a key to destroy any possible resistance.

Let's take a look on recent Turkish developments in this area

Gozcu mini UAV:


The mini UAV is a hand launched 1.9m wingspan, 3000 feet altitude, 15km range and 60 minutes endurance. She intended for close area observation to localize enemy troops and movements.

Vestel Karayel


The Karayel UAV with her 10m wingspan, 18000 feet altitude, 200km range and 10 hours endurance is a fine tactical UAV

Baykar Caldiran


The Caldiran UAV with her 9 meter wingspan, 23000 feet altitude, 250km range and 16 hours endurance is an UAV which is classed between a tactical UAV and MALE, in other words she is a tactical UAV with MALE characteristics. Her altitude places this UAV in a secure hight position save from AA gun fire and VSHORAD missiles while having also a medium long endurance of 16 hours and yet she has the dimensions of a tactical UAV. This and these type of UAV's will be of particular pain in the ass for the Greek troops since islands in a range of less than 100km from Turkish shores will stay under a contineous watching eye, relaying target coordinates to the hundreds of artilleries pounding the islands in case of war.

Anka:


Although the roll out ceremonial was completely directed at publicity since test phase has yet to start in september her specifications are impressive. The Anka can fly altitudes of 32000 feet with a 24 hours endurance and will place islands to 200km from Turkish shores under constant monitoring. While the Anka is pretty much save from Shorad missiles at 32000 feet we have to conclude that she is due to her dimensions and low speed prone to helicopter and Fighter aircraft attacks which makes her quite vulnerable.
During the roll out ceremonial Murad Bayar announced that the next target was the development of intercontinental strategic UAV's (something like the global hawk)



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Nice thread Nutuk.

UAVs are of course extremely valuable assets as scrambling manned aircraft every time you want to survail an area isn't practical to say the least. Anka, with its impressive charasteristics, is now considered a leading UAV in its class and further improvements like SAR and a weapon-carrying version will follow shortly.

Even though a jet-powered continental HALE-class UAV now seems like the next logical step, I don't think it would quite be a wise investment considering Turkey's neighbors and geopolitics. Instead of that, I think the investment should be made into creating/improving Turkey's Gokturk E/O satellite network with a dedicated SAR and dedicated military communications & SIGINT satellite.

Gokturk 1 & 2 will be great for collecting high-resolution imagery in the visible and near infrared bands. But we need SAR to get on-demand radar images on the night side of the Earth and beyond thick layers of clouds. This satellite could also serve as an Spaece-Based Early Warning System for Turkey while it's doing its orbit over our region. Additional satellites in the SAR class would create additional global radar coverage and further keep Turkey's airspace under 24/7 observation against surprise jet scrambles, ballistic missile launches, etc.

SIGINT satellite is needed for listenning in on enemy civilian and military broadcasts, communications and if necessary jamming or disrupting them. Very useful for gathering signal intelligence and propaganda warfare. 

nice bro !

thx for that thread

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Anka also has the ability to perform Jamming activities which would put the islands wireless communications into a worthless pile of noise.

Islands lost within 12 hours.

On 12 June 1992, a Greek Mirage F-1C crashed during a dogfight with a Turkish F-16 piloted by Capt. Ilhan Filiz. On 8 October 1996, a Greek Mirage-2000 piloted by Thanos Grivas shot down a Turkish F-16D with a Magic IR missile. Just two days after that murder, on 10 October 1996 a Greek Mirage-2000 crashed close to Semadirek island after a dogfight with two Turkish F-16s. Point of the story is: TUAF saved itself two missiles. On May 23rd 2006, Two Greek F-16 fighters Scrambeled to intercept two Turkish F-16s that was escorting a Recon aircraft over the southern Aegean, After a short Mock-dogfight the Greek F-16 colided into the Turkish F-16. Turkish Pilot Lieutenant Halil Ibrahim Özdemir Ejected safely while the Greek pilot Lieutenant Konstantinos Kakkavas died instantly. On December 4th 2007, a Greek F-16C participated in a night exercise in the Sporades archipelago, the pilot Lieutenant Athanasios Batsaras lost orientation thinking he was gaining altitude instead flew his aircraft into the sea. Athanasios Batsaras body was found latter on by a Turkish frigate which responded to the emergency call. Point of the story is: Greeks don't know how to Fly. On June 3rd 2003, a Greek F-16 block 30 Piloted by Captain Theodoros Pliatsikas crashed when a Bird was sucked into the air intake causing Engine Failure. Captain Theodoros Pliatsikas however was lucky enough to Eject and survived the incident with minor injury. On June 4th 2009, a single seater Greek F-16 block 50 crashed in Ioannina after the plane ingested a bird. The pilot managed to eject from the plane with minor injury. Point of the story is: Birds 2 Greeks -2 F-16s

LOL

The impact of UAVs in case of island war will be the same like this one:

With little imagination its like THK commenting on Turkish UAV losses, LOL


First you have to take care this:



And if you still have an operational airforce, something very doubtful, then we talk.


"Islands lost within 12 hours."

For a symmetrical warfare you better go and buy some more COBRA radars cause with only 3 in your inventory, the only thing is going to be lost within 12 hrs is your Fartinas.

Leave the slow UAVs for the Kurds, no real use in the Aegean except from some trivial tactical uses...

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Turkish UAV spec. comparison



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@Corpusville

"Even though a jet-powered continental HALE-class UAV now seems like the next logical step, I don't think it would quite be a wise investment considering Turkey's neighbors and geopolitics. Instead of that, I think the investment should be made into creating/improving Turkey's Gokturk E/O satellite network with a dedicated SAR and dedicated military communications & SIGINT satellite."

I think that HALE UAV are neccesary to watch Turkeys Backyard(Balkan, Central Asia, Indian Subcontinent). The eurasian Region and in future probably Indian Subcontinent(Pakistan) become important for Oil and Gas Supply to Europe and far East, Turkey as a leading Power in the Region need to secure the Pipeline network and all links from Central Asia to Mediteran and indian Ocean.



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Long live the Turk - Pak Friendship !

@Corpusville

"Even though a jet-powered continental HALE-class UAV now seems like the next logical step, I don't think it would quite be a wise investment considering Turkey's neighbors and geopolitics. Instead of that, I think the investment should be made into creating/improving Turkey's Gokturk E/O satellite network with a dedicated SAR and dedicated military communications & SIGINT satellite."


At last, a Turk that knows what he is talking about

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SIGINT is a thing of the past and you will need to partner with another nation of you want to get involved because if you refuse the Russians and French will electro-optically rape your ass and steal all your signals away from you!

Everyone is launching MASINT & IMINT satellites.



During the 1919-1922 war, being nicknamed Seitan Asker ("Army of Satan") from their Turkish adversaries.

"Everyone is launching MASINT & IMINT satellites."

Everyone except grease!

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Greece is a MUSIS partner biatch & ELINT/ESM via submarine...

Turks you're only intelligence gathering mechanism is your UAV...

BIATCH.



During the 1919-1922 war, being nicknamed Seitan Asker ("Army of Satan") from their Turkish adversaries.

Lets see what the Griks are doing in Rhodes!







During the 1919-1922 war, being nicknamed Seitan Asker ("Army of Satan") from their Turkish adversaries.

With all knowledges I have collected from open sources, magazines and many others, I can strongly claim that Aselsan ELINT/SIGINT capabilities are the top of World standarts and Any nation in this region can not compete with Aselsan jamming capabilities. Even Germany has falled into surprise When they saw the Electronic attack capabilities of Aselsan.



Turk Insani Para Gibidir. Icine Isik Tut Ataturk Yoksa Sahtedir...

Is an ignorant making fun of making mini UAVs fly by hand?






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A song titled "They divided Aras", which I dedicate to Azeri-Turkish nation that was divided by an agreement signed by two states which were not really representing the Azeris.

LOL how would Areianos the Grik know about technology, Griks have not developed further than tririremes and phalanx

The UAV's who will make the island interesting will be without doubt the armed UCAV's and Harpy (+ their Turkish clones).


Most likely Greeks will already surrender before seeing a single Turkish soldier.

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If your best intelligence gathering is UAV then not even god will help you.



During the 1919-1922 war, being nicknamed Seitan Asker ("Army of Satan") from their Turkish adversaries.

"The UAV's who will make the island interesting will be without doubt the armed UCAV's and Harpy (+ their Turkish clones). "


Nutuk and the attack of clones...



LOL

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Here is your MUSIS AriAnus:

The MUltinational Space-based Imaging System for Surveillance, Reconnaissance and Observation (MUSIS) was an international program including France, Italy Belgium, Germany, Greece, and Spain that was aimed at allowing the six nations to share imagery from various military satellites through a common, generic user ground segment (UGS) according to agreed rules and quota.
Similar to many caregory B projects of European Defence Agency (EDA) it would have been managed by OCCAR had it ever got so far.
MUSIS was intended to provide access to
- the successor of French Hélios II called Composante Spatiale Optique (CSO)
- the successor of German SAR-Lupe called SARah
- the successor of Italian COSMO-SkyMed called COSMO Second Generation (CSG)
- the Spanish wide area optical satellite Ingenio (formerly known as Seosat)
The two systems mentioned first are entirely military whilst the two latter systems are dual dual-use. MUSIS was approved in 2006 and studies were launched, in order to achieve Initial Operational Capability (IOC) by 2015. MUSIS was supposed to allow mutual access to the - still national - satellite constellations through the generic UGS. The latter would allow the countries involved to share intelligence imagery more easily than is currently possible.

After many divisions amongst the nations involved, MUSIS was unanimously agreed to be ceased on May 6, 2010.

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Greece is there as a leach only, no contribution whatsoever!, as always sucking the French and Germans!

And if you were so well informed idiot, you probably could read the last paragraph:
"After many divisions amongst the nations involved, MUSIS was unanimously agreed to be ceased on May 6, 2010"

Who's the BIOTCH now? BIOTCH!


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http://www.france24.com/en/20091218-france-lauches-spy-satellite-helios-2b-kourou-guiana-military-space-intelligence

Better intelligence

Helios 2B is the second of Frances new generation spy in the sky series manufactured by the space division of Airbus parent EADS . Its predecessor was launched in 2004.

Earlier generation Helios 1 satellites launched aboard Ariane rockets in 1995 and 1999 were less sophisticated.

Defence officials said Helios 2s infra-red system permits detection of human activity. They said it can tell whether a truck convoy is moving or halted and whether a nuclear reactor is operational or not.

It will be capable of operating at night but will not be able to capture images through clouds.

The satellite would help in preparing missions and assessing threats, as well as drawing up maps of uncharted zones in Afghanistan, Iraq, Chad and the Sudanese region of Darfur.

Defence officials said full disclosure of the satellites capacity could not be made public.

Helios was initially planned as a pan-European satellite series to counter U.S. space intelligence domination during the Cold War. However, Frances European partners have been less willing to participate financially in the Helios 2 programme.

The 1990s first generation Helios 1 programme attracted contributions totalling 21 percent from Spain and Italy. But France has financed 90 percent of the 2 billion euro ($3 billion) Helios 2 series with Italy, Belgium, Spain and Greece contributing 10 percent.



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lol


Just saw this clowns thread.It is funny.

Keep laughing Yannos, while you still can.....


Some keywords for you (Greekified for you to better understand)
Anka (Ankakis)
CIRIT (CIRITIS)
UMTAS (UMTASoglou)

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lol

Guys look at this;

On one side we have;

Helios;



Erieye;


DBS-10


Plus ASTAC,greek UAVs,etc,etc





On other side we have;

Yanmis Yannis posts Two drawings and a Swedish Saab aircraft picture!
and then keeps barking about our 3D's which are realizing one by one.

What a self-ownage of envious loser mentality.

btw: the satellite is a drawing because Greece did'nt even SEE the thing, let alone taking part in the tech.
They just begged France (An old habit), to put their miserable flag at the bottom of the patch,
and they're proud about that! LOL

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Mini UAV's are likely to become legion on the battlefield. Envision swarms of these things (every vehicle and every infantry squad having at least one), fully networked, observing the battlefield. Then tie that to support fire assets (mortars, artillery, air strikes, etc.) that can be directly assigned by the battalion commander to various elements under his command, or held by him/her in reserve.

On the modern battlefield, if I can see it I can kill it...a swarm of micro UAV's means I see everything.

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