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Delivery schedule of U-214 to HN

September 30 2010 at 9:14 AM
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Details of deliveries to HN have surfaced

S-120 Papanikolis, October 2010
S-121 Pipinos, April 2012
S-118 Okeanos (the upgraded AIP sub), May 2012
S-122 Matrozos, February 2013
S-123 Katsonis, December 2013
S-124 (no name yet), August 2017
S-125 (no name yet), August 2018

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September 30 2010, 9:18 AM 

Note: Greek defence mister anounced yesterday the interest for 2 more U-214, bringing the total number of the class to 8 submarines plus 1 AIP upgrade.

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September 30 2010, 9:32 AM 

Looks like a reasonable delivery scheme but you're never sure with Greeks everything is based on "if" they can find the money.

The best case scenario is that Greece will receive 4 U-214 + 1 U-209 upraded by 2014 and there are the other scenario's like selling the Papanikolis etc.

So wait and see.

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September 30 2010, 9:40 AM 

This "if you you have the money" crap is starting to become old news. When we order new weapons obviouly we have the money, we still collect taxes, you know.

For starters Greece never cancelled any contract.

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September 30 2010, 9:42 AM 

For starters Greece never cancelled any contract.
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September 30 2010, 9:44 AM 

The contract has been reactivated with a bonus of 2 extra U-214's. Try something smarter.

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September 30 2010, 9:49 AM 

Intention of purchasing 2 extra yes (if in far future Greece is saved by a miracle and doesn't go bankrupt and still finds some fools to lend her money)

let's concentrate on the short term, wait and see what happens with Papanikolis.

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September 30 2010, 9:53 AM 

I am not talking about the 2 extra subs, the contract was signed 9:30 am today. I am talking about PLUS 2 subs on top of the ones ordered this morning.

4+2+2=8. OK?

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September 30 2010, 10:05 AM 

Buddy there are always at least 2 contract signings before realization.
First contract of intention (which is the case on those 2 subs you mention and sameway the contract signed by Turkey for 6 subs), after this contracts there is a period of negotiations, technical issues etc. etc. in which buyer and producer stem their technical requirements on subsystems and informalities. When all of these are done a second contract follows to start the actual construction (in Turkeys case this contract is expected in the first quarter of 2011)

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September 30 2010, 10:13 AM 

Snif..snif...do I smell fear? Wait a little longer for FREMM, MEKO modernization and new corvete programs. By 2015-20 you will see the eastern Mediterranean with its rich mineral resources becoming a Greek lake too, you faggots.

Building a new powerful navy = controlling large areas of EEZ = controlling the wealth.

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September 30 2010, 10:22 AM 

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September 30 2010, 10:57 AM 

By 2015-20 you will see the eastern Mediterranean with its rich mineral resources becoming a Greek lake too
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happy.gif It's funny you mention the right date, guess which navy and army is preparing towards this date.

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September 30 2010, 11:22 AM 


lol

@Panzer

Let them bitch.This is all they can do.
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We greeks ALREADY paid first U214 order,we ALREADY paid for everything we had on order while impotent turkeys still talking loud but still try to find money for production start of U214 & S-70B.It is obvious far likely we see greek Rafale & FREMM before turkeys see their 17XS-70Bs,lol.And lets not even talk about all their other wet dreams.



 
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September 30 2010, 1:33 PM 

We greeks ALREADY paid first U214 order,we ALREADY paid for everything we had on order while impotent turkeys still talking loud
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Yes and do you birdbrain have any clue why we talk loud?
Because we can, in the same time as Greece had ordered 4 U-214 we had ordered 4 U-209-1400, with the difference that we have commisioned them and are using all of the full capacity unlike you morons. wink.gif It's not our navy who is currently facing the lack of submarine battle capacity.



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September 30 2010, 1:54 PM 

"Because we can, in the same time as Greece had ordered 4 U-214 we had ordered 4 U-209-1400, with the difference that we have commisioned them and are using all of the full capacity unlike you morons. It's not our navy who is currently facing the lack of submarine battle capacity."

It is like saying re malaka nutuk, "we Turks bought a Golf with 1,4 engine 80hp while Greeks bought Golf GTI TSI 2,0 (211hp). Both race the same because they are called Golf."

Go sell your monkey stories on Spartan's forum.

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September 30 2010, 1:56 PM 

Good news!!!

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September 30 2010, 2:00 PM 

No it's not entirely the same, the only difference is AIP but ye Griks don't have modern torpedoes like we do + the rest of your submarine fleet is old garbage with outdated torpedoes. So how you do the math it doesn't matter since we are still in advantage big time.

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September 30 2010, 2:09 PM 

Nutuk, with that hayvan brain of yours I don't know you made it to engineer school, honestly man.

You wanted us to buy modern torpedoes when the submarine program was in the brink of cancellation? When problems became serious we cancelled the RFI. Now, with the succesful completion of the deal there is a new RFI for 59 modern torpedoes.

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September 30 2010, 2:18 PM 

lol

HN has so many SUTs.Good enough for the stone age U209 of turkeys."Modern torpedoes" are pure waste for their submarine garbage.
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September 30 2010, 2:24 PM 

LOL between RFI and receiving torpedoes there are years. Oops!

Turkey currently has
6 U209-1200 (like the glafkos old and outdated)
8 U209-1400 (almost equal to U-214 without AIP)with modern torpedoes

Grice has
7 Glafkos (2 with cancelled modernization of which it is not clear wether they are available for duty)

1 U-214 Papanikolis (hopefully delivered soon) without modern torpedoes
1 U-209AIP Oceanos (hopefully delivered soon) without modern torpedoes


Sorry for you but these are just the realities

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September 30 2010, 2:28 PM 


lol

Nutellak,HN tsoukou tsoukou gets everything.Now we are going strong for ONLY left big programme which is FREMM although we dont need it.
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Untill you find low rate interst loan for modern submarines HN will have FREMMs,8xU214 and a dozen SuperVitas.This is ten times more than we had 100 years ago.Remember?

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September 30 2010, 2:33 PM 

Yes 10 times more but still no ballz. You have 100 times more violations of your airspace and national waters but I am sure you have amnesia on that point happy.gif

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September 30 2010, 2:33 PM 

OK let's have a laugh

"Turkey currently has
6 U209-1200 (like the glafkos old and outdated)"

Wrong, two of your six subs are with outdated sonars.

"8 U209-1400 (almost equal to U-214 without AIP)with modern torpedoes"

Bullocks, 4 of your older Preveze class are equal to our upgraded Nirefs, the 4 Gur have only same sonar with Papanikolis class, they are old designs and have no AIP which you insist on downgrading.

"Grice has
7 Glafkos (2 with cancelled modernization of which it is not clear wether they are available for duty)"

Greece has 4 Nirefs Neptune I and 3 Glafkos-class.

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September 30 2010, 2:38 PM 



lol

Nutellak,it is not us griks waking up every morning with foreign islands in our face.

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September 30 2010, 2:41 PM 

Panzy, ok let's concider AIP just for the Grik feel good argumentation it is twice as good as a conventional sub, what's the difference if you do not have them in active use.

Good for the Grik postcard army (I agree)

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September 30 2010, 8:52 PM 

"OK let's have a laugh

"Turkey currently has
6 U209-1200 (like the glafkos old and outdated)"

Wrong, two of your six subs are with outdated sonars.

"8 U209-1400 (almost equal to U-214 without AIP)with modern torpedoes"

Bullocks, 4 of your older Preveze class are equal to our upgraded Nirefs, the 4 Gur have only same sonar with Papanikolis class, they are old designs and have no AIP which you insist on downgrading.

"Grice has
7 Glafkos (2 with cancelled modernization of which it is not clear wether they are available for duty)"

Greece has 4 Nirefs Neptune I and 3 Glafkos-class."


Ok I will have laugh too.


Firstful: First 2 Ay-Class modernised in 2001; with CSU-90 passive sonar suit; Thales SeaLion ESM, modern navigation suite etc...

Other 4 Ay Class is due to modernize; they have relatively useful CSU-3 sonar suite.

You Cannot compare U-209/1100 with Turkish U-209/1400! Your U-209/1100 may have same same combat suite and sonar suit but without TAS-3 towed arrays LFS (I dont know about Flank Arrays which Preveze got in 2000). Greek U-209s will go to garbage in 5 years but Prreveze Class has more than 20 year life-span! Its more silent; faster; can dive deeper! and most importantly it has working machines happy.gif


Gur Class and U-214 has same combat suite with same kind of sonar suite; maine differnce is Gur (also Preveze) can stay underwater (without snorkelling) 5 days; and U-214 can stay 14 days. I mean AIPs! Unlike U-209-1200 U-209-1400 are modular submarine can be upgraded with AIPs any time given (so no Neptune-II disaster will happen). I guess U-214 marginally silent and more suitable for littorals (but it is inferior to U-212!)


And I have to add that first Turkish U-214TN will be in waters in 2015. HAVELSAN already started to devlope U-214 submarime mission and diving simulators! Probably will be ready before before 2015.

 
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September 30 2010, 11:57 PM 



lol

Turcos fabricating their 3Ds.
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This is to funny.I like the part with the Ay class & CSU-90 most.Indeed funny.

 
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October 1 2010, 6:55 PM 

k, which grik wants to bet griks won't have any new sub in october?

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April 27 2012, 3:12 PM 

Details of deliveries to HN have surfaced

S-120 Papanikolis, October 2010
S-121 Pipinos, April 2012
S-118 Okeanos (the upgraded AIP sub), May 2012
S-122 Matrozos, February 2013
S-123 Katsonis, December 2013
S-124 (no name yet), August 2017
S-125 (no name yet), August 2018

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We are at the end of April, where is Pipinos Greeks?


Okeanos to be delivered next month! ROFL

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April 27 2012, 3:28 PM 

No worries, free 400 M1s will have snorkeling ability also. What they should do is naming one of them as pipinikos.

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April 27 2012, 3:56 PM 

Details of deliveries to HN have surfaced

S-120 Papanikolis, October 2010
S-121 Pipinos, April 2012
S-118 Okeanos (the upgraded AIP sub), May 2012
S-122 Matrozos, February 2013
S-123 Katsonis, December 2013
S-124 (no name yet), August 2017
S-125 (no name yet), August 2018

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HDW cancelled the contract with the HSY for the construction of two new Type 214 and also the upgrade of Okeanos in May 2011. This means that the HN wil take delivery of a total of four Type 214's and may not take the delivery of Okeanos.

http://www.mod.mil.gr/en/news-section/press-releases/4270-katagelia-sumvasis-upokataskeuis-me-ta-enae-apo-tin-hdw.pdf

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April 27 2012, 4:20 PM 

Dear Orko, even with the termination of the HSW contract like this:
S-120 Papanikolis, October 2010
S-121 Pipinos, April 2012
S-118 Okeanos (the upgraded AIP sub), May 2012
S-122 Matrozos, February 2013
S-123 Katsonis, December 2013
S-124 (no name yet), August 2017
S-125 (no name yet), August 2018


Than still we have to ask the Greeks, where is the Pipinos? happy.gif

Any Grik out there to comment?

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April 27 2012, 4:55 PM 

You also have to take into account the human aspect when determining such matters:

We have so called old equipment but still have the acumen and indefatigable ability to run rings around your old ottoman inability to think straight.

THE GREEK AIRFORCE.

Read it and weep my turkish friends these are corroborated facts from eu including turkish pilots:

http://www.defencegreece.com/index.php/2011/07/review-greek-participation-in-tlp-2011-at-albacetespain/

"Another thing that impressed participants from other countries is that Spanish and German Eurofighter Typhoons had no chance against the Greek F-16s, although theoretically they had better radar and made use of supersonic speed without using afterburner. As for the Turkish aircrafts they were instant kill!

These are demons, not pilots, said a Spanish colleague during the vote for the best pilots of the course. Even the Turks voted in favor, since they could not do otherwise."

"The squadrons flying F-16 Block 52 + from Crete have recently participated in two training courses of the TLP 2011 in Albacete, Spain, where the Greeks pilots had triumphed not only in air-to-ground and air defense suppression missions, but also in air-to-air missions. They did not lose any fight, even against the Spanish and German Eurofighters!"

The officers of 340 squadron showing high professional level won the first place among participants on strike missions and had higher success rates on air-to-air engagements with zero casualties from enemy fire.

These are the pilots we should have in Libya to finish the job quickly. These words belong to a senior officer of the U.S. Air Force (USAF), who was left speechless by the success of 340 Squadron.

"The results of Greek pilots and their aircraft were more than impressive against the elite of Western pilots and fighters. In all missions Greek pilots excelled continuing the brilliant performance in exercises like the Red Flag."

THE GREEK NAVY.

Another recent example is the S209 class-S111 Sub Nereus in NATO exercise which I do not have a link to hand where it excelled against anti-sub mission.


 
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April 27 2012, 4:57 PM 

No worries aunt Merkel give them free U-Boats from German Navy museum...

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@DoctorManhattan

this is why the rest of the world laughs at you guys. The amount of BS you guys splatter is incredible, your media is the mirror image of you silly guys. The amount of poor journalism is incredible.
Weren't you guys the gods in finance and economy? well your media use to say so, truth comes out. Self praising gypsies who identify themselves as Greeks and pat themselves on the back.



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April 27 2012, 5:40 PM 

Hehehe Doctormanhattan, your news is like your statistics (everything but truth)

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April 27 2012, 11:43 PM 

Lol....it seems gricos really phucked up underwater. Only 4 submarine fleet in forseeble future. Good luck gricoman defending your country. May be uncle sam will gibe you free sea wolf class happy.gif))

 
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April 28 2012, 12:49 AM 

HSY is bankrupt like Greece. Iskander Safa the Lebanese owner refuses to stick out one finger without seeing the Greek government paying some extra money or something, I did not completely understand the core of the problem but it looks like the Lebanese want to see some hard cash which the Grik government cannot pay.

So the whole HSY shipyard issue is in a deadlock and there is no continuation on the construction of the submarines which are indeed for some 90% ready and laying there to rust.


At the moment it looks like that Greece cannot even have 4 U214's unless a miracle happens or the Lebanese owner suddenly grows a compassion to Greece.

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"At the moment it looks like that Greece cannot even have 4 U214's unless a miracle happens or the Lebanese owner suddenly grows a compassion to Greece."

If you have mentioned idiot the U214 are long time ready how the Germans wants. The Greeks do not agree and changing the building plans to make modifications, so in one way if we want right now we can accept the subs. So in a war we have 5 AIP subs in short time ready. Bla bla bla

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April 28 2012, 7:57 AM 

This must be the most disasterous military project of Europe.

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you should have spent the money for paying your enormous debts

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April 28 2012, 11:26 AM 

Cretin idiot, that the outer hul is ready doesn't mean the sub is ready. Even if the sub is in water doesn't say it is ready yet, our milgem 2 is also in water but not ready yet!!!

Face it, those subs are far from ready still missing key systems and you gayreeks are incapable to fix it yourself.

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June 29 2012, 9:50 PM 

Dear old Panzy once said:

Details of deliveries to HN have surfaced

S-120 Papanikolis, October 2010
S-121 Pipinos, April 2012 [linked image]
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S-122 Matrozos, February 2013 [linked image]
S-123 Katsonis, December 2013 [linked image]
S-124 (no name yet), August 2017 [linked image]
S-125 (no name yet), August 2018 [linked image]

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June 29 2012, 10:29 PM 

It will be a huge success if greeks can have 4 AIP U-214HNs by end of 2013!Because of economical situation and EU homework delivered to Greece is dictating huge cuts for military spendings,they can not buy anymore AIPs!Another ownange for gay navy! Hahahahahahahahaaa!!! happy.gifhappy.gif

 
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February 28 2013, 3:13 PM 

BUMP!

Epi, care to explain how the delivery schedule goes now the EU court has decided on the appeal of Greece regarding the ruling of 2006 that Scaramanga's had to pay back 310mln Euro's?

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whats the current situation is there any aip for near future gayreeks?

 
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Pipinos yok!
Okeanos yok!
Matrozos yok!

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Pipinos can be but greeks will never have Dasshakos and Yarrakos to use them:)))))

 
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February 28 2013, 4:08 PM 

Man, these old threads were classics. Yannis was constantly saying that nothing is wrong with their economy, that they don't need any help from the EU/IMF etc. Kallimachos was talking about the 'rise of the Hellenes', with supposedly Greece 'acquiring' imaginary SCALP Navals and FREMMs, destroying anything Turkish that gets in their way. Myywayy used to constantly repeat Greece's HDI index. Cretard used to 'assure' people that Turkish defence products are 3D and pipedreams. I laugh my arse off when I see these old threads. They still got in such delusions even when things were very obviously to go downhill.

There is an amazing gap between what Greeks were expecting 3-7 years ago and how things have evolved to this date. Nowadays this country can't afford medicines:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/9899747/Greece-facing-medicine-shortage.html

 
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It brings tears to my eyes to see how Nutuk mashes yorgo over and over and over and over again.

NUTUK from now on, you will be known as Sir Nutuk the Yorgo Slayer ! Rise as a knight my son !

 
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February 28 2013, 5:43 PM 

Since negotiations between Greece and the new ownership of HSY have reached a deadlock, although a final meeting between PM Samaras and Safa will take place next week, the shipyards will most likely close down. Since HDW is the primary contractor the remaining 3 subs plus S-118 Okeanos will be completed within HN shipyard installations, probably with technicians from Germany. The Greek HSY personnel will most likely lose their jobs.

I hope I answered your questions, now it is your turn to answer mine. What ever happened to the U-214TN? Did construction begin?

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I CAN NOT HEAR GREEKS HERE...ARE NOT THEY ALLOWED IN THIS THREAD...[linked image] [linked image]

POOR SCHITY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY..CAN NOT HANDLE ANYTHING PROPERLY OTHER THAN STEALING...


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February 28 2013, 7:01 PM 

now it is your turn to answer mine. What ever happened to the U-214TN? Did construction begin?
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Yes and no, the constructions of subsystems are continuing already for a while, construction on the submarine itself will begin in june-juli.
HDW is the main contractor
- In jan 2012 Aselsan signed a contract with HDW for subsystemshttp://www.trthaber.com/haber/ekonomi/aselsandan-denizalti-projesi-sozlesmesi-24662.html
- februari 2012 Havelsan signed a contract with HDW to develop a data distribution system for the submarines
- Koc systems signed contract for counter torpedo systemhttp://www.kocsavunma.com.tr/tr/SharedFiles/Download.aspx?pageid=365&fileid=276&mid=860


Anyway due to financing delays the whole project has experienced a startup delay for about 2 years as according to original plans construction would start in 2011, which is now 2013.

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February 28 2013, 11:26 PM 

@ Since HDW is the primary contractor the remaining 3 subs plus S-118 Okeanos will be completed within HN shipyard installations, probably with technicians from Germany. The Greek HSY personnel will most likely lose their jobs.

The best solution. PN is 100% able to finish the job by itself, they have done a great job in the past modernising Type 209-1100.
The whole joke of the problematic HSY has o finish, i am bored of hearing the same story for the last 20 years. In that scenario PN can get the almost finished subs in less than 4 years.

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Another slap to the program, the Greek battery maker send a letter to the Grik mod that guarantee for the U214 batteries are no longer valid as the subs are rotting away.

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March 4 2013, 12:55 PM 

Exactly words are: If the recharging from the batteries will not be made in certain time periods from shipyards employees, then they can not guarantee any more for the lifetime of the batteries.


 
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LOCK THE TOPIC.GAYREEK FAIL.

 
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Quoting nutuk

"Anyway due to financing delays the whole project has experienced a startup delay for about 2 years as according to original plans construction would start in 2011, which is now 2013."

Talking about failures...LOL



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We have a foreseable delay, which is inconvenient yes but not fatal whereas Greece has a complete fackup without solution in sight. Great going Griks

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HEY GAYREK SELL THE SUBMARINES TO ME. I WILL PAY A HUGE PRIDE.A CUCUMBER TO YOUR :[linked image]
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"We have a foreseable delay, which is inconvenient yes but not fatal whereas Greece has a complete fackup without solution in sight. Great going Griks"

Despite our f@ck up, we are receiving 310 mln as compensation from HSY, this comes from Safa's pocket, and we are going to complete the work inside HN shipyards with HDW help. Unlike you, we have already payed most of the money.

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March 11 2013, 9:59 PM 

OK, all roses than.

So what is now the plan, any new delivery schedule? How is Greece going to procede? When Safa was such a generous man to pay you Greeks $310mln than why is he not paying the HSY workers and continue to build those subs? Am I asking dumb questions?

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Wooshhh why so silent?

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Nutuk, I never hide nor I am silent, you know me better than that. I always give a fight.

Now, this is making headline news in Greece, the Greek gvt finished the first meeting of a renewed round of talks aiming at solving the Gordian knot between the two parties.

Here are the first news

http://www.defence-point.gr/news/?p=71215

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I believe that there are talks yes. But you twist some issues, it is not Safa giving 310mln compensations to Greece but it is the EU court that has decided that Greece illegaly has subsidized HSY with $310mln and should refund it.

However you know exacly like me that HSY is bankrupt and does not even pay her workers, do you really want me to accept in believing that Safa is going to give Greece $310mln?

Face it that money is gone, whatever the EU court says it is irrefundable and Greece won't have a choice but declaring HSY "officially" bankrupt.

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Safa is suing the Germans, the previous owners, for this debt. Point is we are collecting it either from this camel jockey or ze Germans who F@cked Safa by concealing crucial information during the swap deal. We are using the fine as a leverage during the negotiations. The gvt of Greece awaited this court decision prior to recommencing talks with Safa.

Give a little time, we will have crucial decisions soon.

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Some day we shall get those bloody subs. Some day.

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Shipyards, the Greek submarine ... «Kursk»

Alarming and grim is the image transmitted to the future of the Greek Shipyards SA (HSY) the announcement of the "Trident", the union workers of HSY, issued Saturday, March 30 and listed in a separate post.

The statement attacked vehemently against property of HSY accusing that "having failed to initiate consultation with the Greek state, putting forward their employees, now try the same way to claim amounts that neither they themselves imagined."

It also notes that the association has "repeatedly pointed to the Minister of Defence that solution with the owner is not going to be found."
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From the statement it is evident that the explosion of workers sparked the expansion of job rotation for another quarter it is obvious that accentuates the uncertainty and misery of workers already for several quarters are in this regime.

The announcement also mentions and the progress of negotiations between the Greek government and the property of HSY.

As stated in the declarations Development Minister Costis Hatzidakis to the union agreed with the European Commission Vice-Ch Almunia lifting the prohibition decision for naval vessels from third countries provided the agreement of HSY to the ruling. Also seems to have found its way back to the use of the infamous tank No. 5 in HSY, "after reaching an agreement with the owner of HSY on all these issues."

Big crunch still remains the economic dimension of the agreement. According to the announcement, "state agencies, made it clear that more money owed does not exist and that it will have to understand Mr. Safa and colleagues." Indeed, the announcement describes as 'crazy' financial requirements of ownership of HSY.

Finally, the announcement of the "Trident" makes reference to the famous "Plan B" : "Should the Greek government to take an immediate decision and proceed to the famous 'Plan B' that at times we have been told that they have worked and provide a solution that is none other than opening the yard with all the activities, all employees (including rolling stock) and to pay all amounts due, "the statement said.

Unfortunately, the picture presented by those mentioned in the statement of union workers is extremely bleak.

Also evident from all parties involved ignorance of data as well as lack of political courage on the final "tidying up" the case of HSY and programs of Navy submarines.
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The data (if you are uncomfortable and if for all involved and interested members of the problem) are:

> The problem is a problem of HSY property? today, by decision of the European Union the yard is uniquely dependent on the Navy until 2025, at least can not be engaged in the commercial sector or even to export warships and submarines in third countries. Additionally, the sole customer, the Greek government, "flirting" with the last three years of bankruptcy and unable to provide appropriations for the economic services of awarded contracts and even certified by a law of the Parliament Building (whether the law is good , bad or incomplete has its importance, but it is still law of the Greek state), let alone assign new armament programs.

> The Greek public hanging a decision of an international arbitration court after the matter of ownership of HSY. time of the decision is not known , but in terms of the requirements of ownership of HSY these amounts according to what has been published in more than 1 billion .

> The three nearly complete Type 214 submarines for which he paid almost the entire cost of their stay in shipbuilding where beds of HSY ... just wear out. The extent of loss and damage has not been formally evaluated, but according to estimates amount to a few million . As the suspense is prolonged, so the cost will increase and their value as an asset of the Greek government will become impaired.

> Even today not clear what will happen to the two notorious two new submarines Type two hundred and fourteen (contract "Neptune II"). The program will be implemented or should be canceled? Sure submarines are of great importance to the Navy, but should not the Greek government finally get a decision on what will happen? 's more logical for the contract to be kept legally in force and over the years just to raise claims (interest, etc.) the contractor?

> After many months of inactivity is almost certain that the HSY as industrial plant would have many problems and damaged .

> If the notorious «Plan B» is indeed as described in the notice of association ("opening the Shipyard with all activities, with all employees [and rolling stock] and paid all dues"), then why the Greek public do not apply directly to the saga of HSY to end? The «Plan B» is presented as a "panacea" that as a "deus ex machina" will solve all problems and maintain employment. But if so to what negotiations and suffering and distress of workers first and all others involved, or do the «Plan B» are equal in quality to the Cyprus known to us all consequences?

To these should be added the obvious that many in Greece want to forget:

> The aim of every entrepreneur - investor profit.

> The model of government-funded (in private capital) or state-controlled growth followed over the past decades has completely failed and we ended up as we arrived here. But beyond the aphorisms, the fiscal reality is well known: The Greek government has run out of money and it is unknown when the government of the country will come to a relative equilibrium. Consequently, how many of them government officials estimate that the direct - medium future internal market (ie the Greek government) will be able to feed work the domestic shipbuilding industry?

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And finally one more, crucial, question the basis of all the above:

> Why an entrepreneur - investor by definition interested in making a profit and having recourse to international arbitration against the Greek government do not wait just a decision but negotiate?

Whatever the answer to this question leads to interesting conclusions .

Whether the entrepreneur has weak legal position , or it could possibly be explained why despite having recourse to international arbitration continues to negotiate, either by having recourse ensure the highest interests of believes that under the conditions HSY have a future perspective .

If the first case, then the government must address the bluff taking appropriate decisions.

But if you apply the second case, then the determination and mutual agreement on the conditions be demolished. Because if it does not, the Greek government will just wait to see what will be the decision of the International Court of Arbitration and to be more raw, how much you have to pay.

On the other hand it should be obvious to everyone that the more delayed the resolution of the "Godrios link" of HSY and programs submarines of the Navy, will increase both the direct victims (workers) and collateral damage.

Unfortunately, the road to survival (initially) and development of the Greek shipbuilding industry will be long, arduous and painful. Even if tomorrow there was a solution and HSY were beginning to restart, is thinking that will take at least two years to attract and contracted work from abroad?

I wonder what has become apparent?

As those responsible are slow to develop and the way to start the crossing, in whichever direction you choose, the worst of starting point will begin. And to link it with the title of this analysis, the delay of the Russian leadership to make decisions despite concerns were reasonable and related to the international prestige of the country, proved fatal. At that time anyone could help was useful and should be called immediately. Unfortunately, all was lost.

So to avoid the eleventh hour the Greek shipbuilding and ship repair industry to become " Kursk "- not far now - safe and conservative decisions there, want leadership, courage, vision and risks for everyone. For the hidden (over) value of Greek shipyards do not need to rewrite , we analyzed repeatedly. The idea is to pass the "storm" in the economy and then to prove that all became wiser .

But the national shipbuilding industry is already on the brink if it has already started to slide towards disaster. And containment is not easy .
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My position remains adamant on the issue. Both Shipyards should go bankrupt. In the future a single state owned company should take over the management of both shipyards.

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April 2 2013, 10:35 AM 

To what purpose? The EU regulations forbid your shipyards to get state funding, they even forbid servicing civilian ships, in short with those regulations shipyards cannot exist. I wonder if same regulation are applied on German shipyards.

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I was thinking more the shipyards to be transferred directly to HN.

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Well I have the feeling that Greece won't receive their subs for a looong time, your country is a real mess.

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Well I have the feeling that Greece won't receive their subs for a looong time, your country is a real mess.
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Where is our U-214 class submarines u stupid nutuk.maybe u wanna know there is no progress on it
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Because construction is to start somewhere in june you gotveren

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The Greek Donmeh has made a valid point. "Somewhere in June" mumbo jumbo is an amusing comment.

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Yes we know that the Turkish defence industry is amusing you much, as the Greek defence purchases amuses us wink.gif

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Bump

Bam! Hahahaha I'm so mean LOL.

Vre where are these subs. I thought Greeks style was Greek, apparantly the German applied it better on you happy.gif

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Nutuk what is the status of our U214 now? Has construction began?

 
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Nutuk what is the status of our U214 now? Has construction began?
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