As of today, FAC's Vlahavas, Tournas and Sakipis are part of HN's glorious history.









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Hellenic Navy's glorius history includes the magnificent 1571 performance at Lepanto.

AUDACES FORTUNA IUVAT

Oust! Go away!


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Did they participate in the GLORIOUS performance of Hellenic Navy at IMIA/KARDAK conflict?

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The ships look like they are in good shape. I'm surprised that they aren't keep for coast guard duties or something.

Retire them and sell them. They can be replaced by new Roussis vessels.

Fvck. 3 less target drones for the Atmaca ASM.

Was this picture taken by the Grik navy or the Indian navy?

"I'm surprised that they aren't keep for coast guard duties or something."

^^ for what greece needs coast guard ? their coasts are not safe from turks.. even if they buy arleigh burke destroyer as coast guard ship lol

turks are fakking them 24/7

So they do not want to pay operation costs for the ships ^^

@ landos

"sell them"

Hey ! I wanna buy your WELL MAINTENANCED ships ! like your Mirage / F-16 / AH-64  LOL

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seafarting nation indeed.. reconaissance fishing boat watching TurAF F-16's !

It seems there is no replacement of new ships after the retirement. We could have rent some of our excessive number of vessels if greeks had money.



"Independence is My Character"
M. Kemal ATATÜRK

Money YOK!

Diesel YOK!

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It seems there is no replacement of new ships after the retirement. We could have rent some of our excessive number of vessels if greeks had money.

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And what is this idiots?








Turkomans, ownage never ends

A Super Vita..

And it is not the 5. and not the 6. ... LOL

So you have 4 of them ? ^^

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seafarting nation indeed.. reconaissance fishing boat watching TurAF F-16's !

Last is ready long time ago, only waiting for the missile change from block 2 to 3, otherwise long time on duty.






Turkomans, ownage never ends

Yea .. Sure LOL

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seafarting nation indeed.. reconaissance fishing boat watching TurAF F-16's !

Do you really think zuppervitas have the capability of Mitotic separation?


"Last is ready long time ago, only waiting for the missile change from block 2 to 3, otherwise long time on duty."

LOL



"Independence is My Character"
M. Kemal ATATÜRK

Welcome to BS News - presented to you by Yannis El Sahafis


"Greek armed forces are getting stronger and stronger.

We have decommissioned 1 submarine and 3 FACs.

We also decommissioned 1 AH-64, 1 F-16, and 1 Mirage.

Our indigenous decommissioning projects are going on at full speed.

Our strong economy will finance more projects like these.

We have a bright future waiting for us."

Here speaks the clown of WAFF, somebody can hear me?

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In 2009 two years ago.

In the ceremony were also the Anchored GRIGOROPOULOS (P70) and RITSOS (P71), fourth and fifth Super Vita-type FAC ROUSSEN class, whose delivery was delayed because the Navy pending the missiles against ships MM40 Exocet Block 3 and the communications equipment.
http://nationalpride.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%8D%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BD-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CF%84%CE%B1-%CE%B4%CF%85%CE%BF-super-vita/





Turkomans, ownage never ends

^^^KamilReis that was perfect :D



"Independence is My Character"
M. Kemal ATATÜRK

lol





Turkomans, ownage never ends

Dont be stupid gayz; SuperVita project CANCELLED!

OXI MONEY remember???

If gayreek shipbuilding industry convert 5th ship to OPV it will be big success

To be brutally honest, the decommissioning of these three boats was a very bad decision by the Hellenic navy. We need all the FAC's we can get. Dumbos.

Hellas? Hell YES!

Do these boats have wooden hulls? Will they be donated to Georgia?

They're the same vintage as our Dogan class boats but yet while we've upgraded our boats it looks like form the electronic array of the these boats that you've done nothing to them!

I Hail The Flag

Do these boats have wooden hulls? Will they be donated to Georgia?

They're the same vintage as our Dogan class boats but yet while we've upgraded our boats it looks like form the electronic array of the these boats that you've done nothing to them!

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They don't have wooden hulls because is a mixture from Comabattante II and III in the 70s like the Dogan class, the boats was the S-148 class donated from Germany to Greece.






Turkomans, ownage never ends

DR Domuz

"Dont be stupid gayz; SuperVita project CANCELLED!"

Your brain is cancelled. The S Vita program is having some difficulties the but it is far from cancelled.

@They're the same vintage as our Dogan class boats but yet while we've upgraded our boats it looks like form the electronic array of the these boats that you've done nothing to them!

Look better or open a book. Even these old ships where equiped with latest ESM in order to fire its missiles in total electronic silence.

They do look like not bad nick,but upgrade must be non cost effective ,rather than going for new build.

"Look better or open a book. Even these old ships where equiped with latest ESM in order to fire its missiles in total electronic silence."

Did open the book (too lazy to drag her out last night), I have Jane's Fighting Ships 2008-2009 (need to find the new edition), you're right.

They went through a mid-life update in the 80's. P74-P75 were fitted with Harpoon. New ESM fitted after transfer. P76-P77 modernized at Lambda Shipyard in 2003-2004!

Even so the fire control radars look different. Is this because P74 was a Harpoon boat and the P76 & P77 were Exocet boats?



I Hail The Flag

"Your brain is cancelled. The S Vita program is having some difficulties the but it is far from cancelled.
"

SUPER VITA YOK!

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Jane's Navy International

Non-payment leads BAE to terminate Elefsis fast strike craft deal

Richard Scott

BAE Systems Surface Ships has pulled out of a fast strike craft contract with Elefsis Shipyards, citing continued non-payment from the Greek shipbuilding and shiprepair group.

What was VT Shipbuilding International (now subsumed in BAE Systems Surface Ships) signed a contract with the Neorion-owned Elefsis Shipyards in January 2000 as design authority and principal subcontractor for the design, in-country build and integration of an initial three 62 m Roussen-class fast strike craft for the Hellenic Navy. The original GBP175 million deal covered design services, materiel procurement and combat system integration services, plus a parallel programme of technology transfer and facilities development.

Options were subsequently exercised in 2003 (two ships) and 2008 (two ships) for follow-on craft, bringing total class offtake up to seven. However, only the first four vessels have so far been delivered to the Hellenic Navy; the fifth was launched in 2006 but has remained alongside, pending the reinstatement of equipments removed by Hellenic Navy in August 2009 to support standard repairs and maintenance of the in-service vessels. The final pair remain in the assembly hall at Elefsis Shipyards.

In a 3 March statement to Jane's , BAE Systems said it "had been forced to terminate its agreements with its industrial partner in Greece, Elefsis, to deliver a series of fast attack craft to the Hellenic Navy.

"The regrettable decision results from continued non-payment of monies owed against its contracts, despite a prolonged period of working closely with Elefsis to help resolve its business issues."

It is understood that payments to BAE Systems have been outstanding for over a year, with the arrears now amounting to EUR27 million. A revised payment schedule had been agreed between the two companies in mid-2010, but BAE Systems sources say that Elefsis advised in November last year that it could no longer adhere to these terms.

BAE Systems sources indicate that the company is ready for discussions with the Greek Ministry of Defence to establish whether a revised framework for completion of the remaining vessels can be agreed.

Termination of the Elefsis contract marks a further setback for BAE Systems' naval export business. This comes after the company's annual results, released in February, revealed that the company had lost GBP163 million (USD265 million) relating to existing contracts for Oman and Trinidad and Tobago, both of which have suffered significant programme delays and cost overruns.

It has additionally taken a GBP100 million charge following the Trinidad and Tobago government's September 2010 decision to cancel its contract for three offshore patrol vessels. BAE Systems says it has challenged the move, and itself issued a termination for default notice on the Trinidad and Tobago government. The parties are now proceeding in accordance with the contract's dispute resolution provisions.


lOl

So what? The U-214HN contract was cancelled too and we signed a new one. The vessels are 90% ready and most of the money has been payed. The Super Vita porgram will be concluded sooner or later so advise you to stop being delusional.

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@Even so the fire control radars look different. Is this because P74 was a Harpoon boat and the P76 & P77 were Exocet boats?

One has Pollux and the other 2 Castor directors.Pollux was pretty crappy but Castor is still decent. Nothing to do with missiles,some boats where given with Exocet, the others without so Harpoon from our stock was fitted. However ESM is in our days the most important electronic device.

With the retirement of these FAC's we may see more of these

WertGR

"One has Pollux and the other 2 Castor directors.Pollux was pretty crappy but Castor is still decent. Nothing to do with missiles,some boats where given with Exocet, the others without so Harpoon from our stock was fitted. However ESM is in our days the most important electronic device."

Then why the hell did they retire the 3 FAC? They looked in pretty good shape and well maintained. This decommission decision was absurd.


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The HN has been in complete decay and meltdown recently.....notable failures, no replacement for grounded P-3B's, unable to keep Zubr's operational, no MLU for Meko 200's, failed ESSM upgrade for Kortenaer's, numerous procurement issues with U-214 & Super Vita's, no clear picture of replacement FFG's.....whats going on?

I Hail The Flag

At least we're not running brand new ships aground on sandbars. Equipment is only half the equation, the other half is professionalism and training. Turks have good equipment, but lack the rest of it.

Thats your perception and opinion, which you're entitled to, but lets talk about facts. HN is decaying!

I Hail The Flag

Dirty

MLU project has received priority and it is advancing, Kortenaer was never supposed to receive ESSM upgrade, HN ZUBR are in better shape than Russian ones, U-214 is going according to plan with 1 more unit to be commissioned 9 monhts from now and finally the Super Vita are experiencing delays with all parties aiming for a swift solution.

Most important, no HN ship crashed on reefs or sandbars...

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"Most important, no HN ship crashed on reefs or sandbars..."

yea, because no HN ship is operating 200km away from greece LOL


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seafarting nation indeed.. reconaissance fishing boat watching TurAF F-16's !

@Then why the hell did they retire the 3 FAC? They looked in pretty good shape and well maintained. This decommission decision was absurd.

The fact that the look from outside does not reflect the inside.
The main reasons is cost reduction and aging of the ship as they are almost 40 years old. We have now 18 FAC with 2 more comming pretty soon. If you ask me it is a decent force to deter any foe and older FAC are not that survivable as they where in the past.
Also the days when navy was keeping ships just for the numbers are over.

This is equivelant to maintaining 1,000 M48 MBT.

They had to go... period.

If one area wasn't going to be overhauled and repaired it would be another.

They served their purpose and now we need a replacement for sure... not now, but in 3-5 years and the money saved would be enoromous.

The longer time goes by the more expensive parts get/

I'll seriously consider enterng discussion with the Finnish MoD for the Hamina FAC.