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Syria accuses Turkey of arming militants, helping rebels cross border

April 10 2012 at 12:43 PM
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Syria accuses Turkey of arming militants, helping rebels cross border
MOSCOW - Agence France- Presse

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Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem on Tuesday accused Turkey of undermining the peace plan of UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan by arming Syria's rebels and helping them cross the border.

"Turkey... supports illegal Syrian militant groups, supplies them with weapons... and lets them illegally cross into Syria," Muallem said in a press conference with Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov. "How can we (fulfill the plan) if there are still illegal arm deliveries and moving of militants

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syria-accuses-turkey-of-arming-militants-helping-rebels-cross-border.aspx?pageID=238&nID=18074&NewsCatID=359

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April 10 2012, 12:44 PM 

Turkish PM: Syria violated our borders, we will take necessary steps
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Syria violated Turkish borders by firing into Turkey, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoðan told reporters in the Chinese capital of Beijing today.

Syrian regime forces fired at a refugee camp yesterday in the southern Turkish province of Kilis, near the border with Syria, injuring two Turks and four Syrians.

The incident was a "clear violation of borders," Erdoðan said, adding that Turkey "will evaluate this violation and take the necessary steps." Turkey will do what other countries did in the case of such violations in the past, Erdoðan said. "It is Turkey's right to do this."

When asked if that meant creating a buffer zone within Syria, Erdoðan replied that Turkey did not want to consider going into Syria and only "the actions of the Syrian regime could force Turkey" to undertake such an operation.

Turkey is currently hosting 25,000 civilians who have fled violence across the border, and is preparing to host thousands more. "We cannot shut the gates on those who seek refuge," Erdoðan said. Not accepting refugees would leave civilians stranded between the Turkish border and the Syrian forces, which would spell disaster, he added.

Erdoðan said he and the Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoðlu's efforts at diplomacy with regional countries was continuing toward finding a solution to the ongoing violence in Syria. He said he did not agree with those who said Turkey was being singled out, with China, Russia and Iran refusing to act against the Syrian regime.

"The world does not consist of those three countries alone," Erdoðan said, adding that China's perception of the incidents in Syria had changed since violence erupted in the country, and Russia was becoming more inclined to cooperate to end civilian deaths.

Erdoðan also said he did not believe the Syrian regime would continue to find the support it currently enjoys in the U.N. Security Council.



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April 10 2012, 12:52 PM 

I find it highly suspicious that such a shooting incident just happens when the PM is in China (who is against a Syria intervention) and giving Erdogan the opportunity to speak out his message loud in China.


I can't get rid of the feeling that this is a staged incident, smells fishy somehow ....

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April 10 2012, 1:02 PM 

Personaly I believe that IF anything is to erupt it will be simultaneously into multiple fronts. One turkey vs syria, the other turkey vs cyprus/greece, the other russia vs georgia, israel/US vs iran and not forgeting US vs n.korea!

Hell of a mess

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April 10 2012, 1:24 PM 

"I can't get rid of the feeling that this is a staged incident, smells fishy somehow ...."

Well Turks have a long history of provocations to serve their own agenda. They even used
bombs to attack the house Atataurk was born in Thessaloniki just to start the `55 pogrom.

Anyway, i would like to see the turkish reaction cause till now its all just talk.

 
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April 10 2012, 2:04 PM 

Beryoza,

Personally I believe Turkey (on the foreground) and US (behind the scenes) are working towards a no fly / buffer zone inside Syria. Russia and China hold a veto in the UN against military intervention but no one would object against a no fly / buffer zone (for "humanitarian" reasons).

Now such a bufferzone where insurgents can freely prepare, be trained and armed to the teeth would be the begin of the end of the Syrian regime (kinda like the No fly zone of N. Iraq in the nineties). So everyone would be happy, Turkey and the US manage to topple the Syrian regime, Russia and China keep their veto, case closed.

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April 10 2012, 2:09 PM 

Nutuk the incidents was filmed as far i know, Little change it could be staged. This is just a corrupt regime vanishing slowly with last stand, Pathetic losers really.

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April 10 2012, 2:17 PM 

didn't the syrians supported the terrorist for the last 10yrs so i dont see anything wrong with us doing the same thing back to them as well..


 
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April 10 2012, 2:25 PM 

nutuk has it right also qatar and other arab countries may be involved too.

Sfakan lol ar you off your meds? Greece is not in the mood to lose half its lands.

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April 10 2012, 2:31 PM 

Nutuk Syria ain`t no Lybia. The whole Syria issue is extremely complex because its part of
the Iranian issue and its the last stronghold of Russia in middle east. To make things even
more complex i think Obama wants no American intervention before the elections or spend any money
for such a campaign.

Also while FSA seems far more experienced than Lybian rebells, Assad ain`t no Qaddafi, his
father butchered 30.000 Syrians in the 80s and kelp ruling Syria.

I sincerely don`t know what`s gonna happen!

 
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April 10 2012, 2:41 PM 

Nutuk Syria ain`t no Lybia. The whole Syria issue is extremely complex because its part of the Iranian issue and its the last stronghold of Russia in middle east. To make things even more complex i think Obama wants no American intervention before the elections or spend any money for such a campaign.
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Yes Syria is no Libya but also not stronger than Iraq at times of Saddam! In Iraq the no fly zone worked and I believe it will have the same impact in Syria. The no fly zone can be easily enforced by TAF and USAF (from Incirlik airbase) at minimum cost. The impact will be huge if the zone also keeps some big Syrian cities out of reach of the Syrian army.

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April 10 2012, 3:00 PM 

Nutuk, if we do try and establish a buffer zone it effectivley means we go to war with Syria. Are we going to invade the buffer zone with m48s or are they planning on transferring the leopards and sabras to the syrian border?

 
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April 10 2012, 3:00 PM 

Erdogan is in China.
It's possible to gain, or at least remove Chinese veto for action on Syria.
Chinese don't really have big interests in Syria and Syria is a *****-economy with no consumer market.

After China, Erdogan will go to Riyadh and Moscow.

After the Libyan experience the Russians want to be "in" and not "out" in new Syria.
And their interests protected in Syria.
Countries will hold-on to their position until new facts emerge where positions have to be redefined.
It really depends on how serious "regime-change"-business will get and Russia is forced to redefine its position.
Redefine it will, especially when developments within Syria and facts on ground don't support Russian position.

The only country that will hold-on to Assad to the end is Iran.
Iran is the only country which totaly looses in a bargain over Syria's future.



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April 10 2012, 3:11 PM 

Syrian regime hunts down its opponents.
The critics of course of action of "Assad" within Army and State have nowhere to go, they've to follow order or be dead.
If there's move from int.community or Turkey in direction of buffer-zone then these people have an area where they can deflect to.
Buffer-zone will be beginning of end of "Assad".



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April 10 2012, 3:17 PM 

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Nutuk, if we do try and establish a buffer zone it effectivley means we go to war with Syria. Are we going to invade the buffer zone with m48s or are they planning on transferring the leopards and sabras to the syrian border?
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I'm no military expert, but I presume that Turkey would have 1st-class intelligence what to hit if the USA doesn't participate in hitting what can be danger to the humans and machines relocated to the buffer-zone.

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April 10 2012, 3:24 PM 

We would not need tanks, TAF and USAF keeps the air free and armed reapers / predators would shoot anything that looks like Syrian army on the ground, effectively giving the bufferzone under control of the insurgents.

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April 10 2012, 3:24 PM 

The syrians have been laying down mines and preparing themselves for a possible invasion since this confict started, this is not going to be a walk in the park. We are bound to take plenty of casualties and the syrians are most certainly going to try and hit turkey from within via the PKK.

 
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April 10 2012, 3:31 PM 

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Nutuk Syria ain`t no Lybia. The whole Syria issue is extremely complex because its part of
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Syria ain't no Lybia, but when you consider topography it is Lybia.
Totally different terrain than what Turkey is used to in mountainous East-Turkey and N.Iraq.
Maybe this kind of terrain is friendlier to operate in with the equipments the Land Forces have.
Not really much places to hide like PKK does and maybe more friendlier for gathering intelligence of approaching dangers.

Off course, you never know before, and possibility also exists that Syria launches attacks to Turkey with missiles or so, which would escalate things.


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April 10 2012, 4:04 PM 

Talking of buffer zone you guys do realize that the monkey kurds will try to creae a 2nd country in the north, right?

Those kurds are opportunistic monkeys (fetih1453) so gotto kill these homos fast.

 
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April 10 2012, 4:05 PM 

I have some few issues about Syrian conflicts and position of Turkey all about beginning
First Syrian regime was not friendly to us in 1980-2000s.They hold and gave safe heaven to terrorists of all leftist fractions,especially dev-sol and pkk.After father Esad died and US attack to Afganistan and Iraq,Syrian regime realized that they would share the same end like Saddam.They seemed to be cooperate to us until 2009 Esad and Talabani made a statement to support pkk againts Turkey.(that was reported by Strafor but I am not sure if it is true)
There are some rumors that bastardo Talabani spoke many times with son Esad to stop attacks to pkk and support Turkey,instead he pleased to let pkk scums live in Syria just like 1990s.Probably our intelligence learned that and after speeches with sn Esad,we realized to end Baath Regime.
As you see at beginning of uprising in Syria Esad hired Iranian Revolutionary Guards and pkk scums to kill demonstraters.So our goverment agreed to answer as their way and start support free syrian army.
Second issue is,syrian kurds are 100 percent anti-Turkish and all have fvcked by Turks in history during rebellions againts Ottomans and Turkey.Some of syrian kurds are deserters from seyh said rebellion and escape to syria in order to prevent from destruction and revenge from local people(loyal turks,kurds and arabs were also attacked by seyh said men during uprising)those scums are children of those traitor bastardos who ran to Syria after 1926.So they are completely enemy to us.Now pkk is seeking a hafe heaven for itself and try to build in Syria,because it is most fitted region for themselves.
This is why we interved since beginning,by our support arabs will fvck those scums in syria and it will be prevented to build a kurdish regional goverment in Syria.That fact is well known to bdp-pkk as well this is why they are opposite to our actions abou Syria.One head of pkk-snake,murat karayilan threated Turkey to stay out from syria,and decleared their support to Esad regime.

 
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