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Turkish delight in epic film Fetih 1453

April 14 2012 at 12:59 PM
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The turbans-and-testosterone CGI retelling of sultan's conquest of Constantinople feeds on appetite for imperial Ottoman past


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It's the film that is making millions of Turkish hearts swell with even more patriotic pride than usual. Fetih 1453, a turbans-and-testosterone epic, has not just smashed all Turkish box office records with its all-action, CGI retelling of Mehmet II's capture of the old Byzantine capital, Constantinople, it is being hailed as a reaffirmation that a resurgent Turkey still has world-conquering blood in its veins.

As the religious-minded daily newspaper Zaman noted, "Turks are feeling imperial again" after a decade of unprecedented economic growth, and are turning more and more toward their Ottoman ancestors for inspiration in foreign policy as much as in interior design, food and fashion, with a neo-Ottomanist push to reassert Turkish diplomatic hegemony over the sultans' former Arab and eastern European domains.

The film's religious overtones with a walk-on part for the prophet Muhammad, predicting the old Roman capital would one day fall to the faithful have attracted a new, observant audience to cinemas and especially endeared it to the prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, chiming as it does with his vision to "raise devout generations who should embrace our historic values".

Some in his party are now demanding it be shown in schools as an antidote to Hollywood's "crusader mentality" not that the film is itself entirely innocent of historical licence, for example its portrayal of the last Byzantine emperor, Constantine XI, as a hedonist (he was mostly celibate); the city's magnificence (it had been comprehensively sacked by western crusaders in 1204); and the fact that there were far more Greeks fighting for the sultan than defending the walls. Nearly as many of Mehmet's soldiers would have been praying to the Virgin on the morning of the final assault in May 1453, as to Allah.

In another scene, sappers tunnelling under the immense land walls that had not been breached in 1,000 years, blow themselves up with a cry of "Allahu Akbar" rather than be captured by the Byzantines. In reality, Mehmet's tunnellers were orthodox Christians drafted from Serbia's silver mines.

While the public may be besieging cinemas to see the film, the critical verdict has been far from unanimous, even at Zaman. The critic Emine Yildirim warned that it pandered to "extreme nationalism" and old Turkish stereotypes of their Christian neighbours. "As we are so infuriated by seeing demeaning and Orientalist depictions of the east in western blockbusters, we should at least have the decency not to make the same mistakes," she said.

"Fetih 1453 is a muddled pool of hypocrisy. While it feeds on the common paranoia of seeing the west as unwelcoming and disreputable, it reinforces our aspirations for superiority."

As if to prove her point, the commentator Burak Bekdil received a death threat after he satirised this tendency to supremacism. What next, he quipped, a film called Conquest 1974 to celebrate the Turkish invasion of Cyprus, or Extinction 1915, the Armenian genocide?

"Instead of shyly remembering 1453, Turks remind the entire world that their biggest city once belonged to another nation and was captured by the sword. It is quite hard to think of the British commemorating the conquest of London or the Germans that of Berlin."

Infuriated bloggers later posted that Bekdil was an "ignoble Greek" who "should not be allowed to breathe air". Another pronounced that his byline photo betrayed "Armenian features".

Turkey's foremost film critic, Alin Tasçiyan said with nostalgic Ottomania riding high, it was only natural film-makers should look again at the Ottoman legacy, particularly since it was deliberately neglected by Atatürk and his secularist successors. "It is about time we looked at the empire in a more objective way. It was a huge civilisation, why demonise it? It had good points and bad points.

"But let's get one thing clear, this film is not that. Nor is it a movie made with political or religious motives. It's purely commercial, very cleverly playing to the gallery."

She said there was huge interest in Ottoman history precisely because it was taught so little and so badly. "History teaching in Turkish schools is rigidly nationalistic. The Ottomans were the opposite. They themselves were very mixed. At school, we were told the Ottomans conquered half the world then suddenly became bad, no explanation. Before you know it the sultan is plotting with the British. Luckily Ataturk came along and saved us."

Yildirim said the film revealed a telling contradiction in the way Turks see themselves: on the one hand, an "authoritarian drive for power, but then trying to make amends with an all-embracing tolerance which you see in the final scene in which Mehmet II, having entered [the church of] Hagia Sophia, holds a blond child in his arms and declares, 'Not to worry, people of Constantinople, you can practise your religion however you like.'"

Nothing sells like nationalism in Turkey, and the film's director/producer, Faruk Aksoy who has already made the $17m (£11m) budget back three times is planning another epic on Gallipoli, where Atatürk, the founder of the modern republic, fought off the British. It's a fair bet it won't be Churchill's finest hour.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/12/turkish-fetih-1453?newsfeed=true








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April 14 2012, 1:02 PM 

"As if to prove her point, the commentator Burak Bekdil received a death threat after he satirised this tendency to supremacism."



Conquest 1453


BURAK BEKDL

burak.bekdil@hurriyet.com.tr

As I sat and wrote these lines with the background music of Rossinis 1820 opera Maometto II, the release of the Turkish film Fetih 1453 (Conquest 1453) was only a day and a half away, scheduled to premiere in Turkey at 2:53 p.m. (14:53) on Feb. 16. The films trailer opens with an (alleged) attribution to the Prophet Muhammad: Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will he be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!

The operas eponymous subject Sultan Mehmed II (Mehmed the Conqueror), son of Sultan Murad II and Valide Sultan Mara Brankovic, was only 21 years old when he conquered Constantinople on May 29, 1453. (Apparently the films producers could not wait a few months more for a more sensational release at 14:53 on May 29.)

Mehmed II was too keen on shariah, and he considered it an Islamic duty to overthrow the Byzantines by conquering Constantinople. Ironically, he had a blood lineage to the Byzantine imperial family his predecessor, Sultan Orhan I, had married a Byzantine princess, and Mehmed II may have claimed descent from John Tzelepes Komnenos, a grandchild of Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos.
Even more ironically, the sultan was also known for the religious tolerance with which he treated his subjects, especially among the conquered Christians. His oath firman which he issued to protect Bosnian Franciscans when he conquered that territory in 1463 is considered the oldest document on religious freedoms.

To some extent, it would be anachronistic to accuse Muslim Turks of occupying other nations lands as the darker ages of human race had seen that motive too often regardless of ethnicity or religion.
All the same, it wont be anachronistic at all to be astonished at the Turkish love affair with the idea of conquest in the 21st century. Instead of shyly (and privately) remembering 1453, the Turks make every cheerful noise to remind the entire world that their country is a too rare commodity in Europe which boasts that its biggest city in fact is a land that once belonged to another nation and was captured by the force of sword.

It is quite hard to think of the British commemorating the conquest of London or the Germans that of Berlin and noisily thinking this is a virtue: We are sitting on other nations lands! Ah, there is Cyprus too Another Turkish producer with a quick eye for $$$$ should soon set off to release a Conquest 1974, and another, an Extinction 1915.

Sadly, millions of Turks will go to the theaters to feel proud of their ancestors and to visually show their children our greatness. We are great not only because we had the power of the sword but, even more sadly, because we still adore the idea. This is what Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoan must have meant when he recently said he wanted to raise devout generationswhich should embrace our historic values.

And it is so amusing that these devout generations get easily offended when someone spelled the original name of the city their ancestors had conquered five and a half centuries ago: Constantinople. They would prefer the Turkish name, Istanbul, without knowing that the Turkish name, too, is a variation of one of the citys Greek names: stin Poli - to the City.

Even more amusing is the fact that you can often see these devout generations staging one protest rally after another, fiercely demanding an end to the Israeli occupation of Jerusalem. Amusement turns into extreme amusement when, like it happened a couple of years ago, crowds of devout young Turks commemorate the conquest of Istanbul, only to move on to another demonstration, this time to protest the occupation of Jerusalem.

Weird Turkey? Not yet. After the double demonstrations, they would surf the web to find which traitor Turk(s) criticized their hooliganism, and flood him/them with extremely creative words of curses and threats.

It is useless to remind them that their ancestors had travelled from the steppes of Asia to capture Constantinople while the Jews are natives of Jerusalem.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/conquest-1453-.aspx?pageID=449&nID=13957&NewsCatID=398



 
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April 14 2012, 1:05 PM 


Guys guys! are these infidels mocking our all holy Sultan, the shadow of God(sorry Allah) on earth!!?

I can't believe this!




 
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April 14 2012, 1:13 PM 

There are some Turks here who saw the movie and objectively said it was a very bad film.

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"Cyprus has always been Greek land. There is no doubt about the Greek character of the island . The majority of the inhabitants are Greeks and they are rightfully struggling for Annexation of the island to Greece."

Nazim Hikmet, April 1955

 
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April 14 2012, 1:15 PM 

"Cyprus has always been Greek land. There is no doubt about the Greek character of the island . The majority of the inhabitants are Greeks and they are rightfully struggling for Annexation of the island to Greece."

Nazim Hikmet, April 1955
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what a BS!








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April 14 2012, 1:23 PM 

Fetih 1453:

You are wrong my friend, it is not BS. The Greek-Cypriots LOVE Nazim Hikmet, exactly because he said this. This is the hidden history, that the official Turkish propaganda will not tell you. By the way Nazim Hikmet spent many years in the prisons of the Kemalist regime. How can one be a fan of this poet and a supporter of Kemalism, this is your personal contradiction that you will have to sort out!

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"Cyprus has always been Greek land. There is no doubt about the Greek character of the island . The majority of the inhabitants are Greeks and they are rightfully struggling for Annexation of the island to Greece."

Nazim Hikmet, April 1955

 
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April 14 2012, 1:32 PM 

I've lost all little respect I had for the Guardian. Disgustingly bias literature. It's just a phucking film

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April 14 2012, 1:39 PM 

Burak Bekdil is not funny, if you read him long enough you'll realize he has only 1 thing to offer: sarcasm, and thats when you also realize you'll get bored of him. He has no writing skill or doesn't bring any value to Hurriyet. Just like the AKP azzlicker Mustafa Akyol


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April 14 2012, 1:46 PM 


@Gavur (btw did you know this was a derogatory term used by Turks to describe all Christians in ottoman empire!?)

You contradict your own self actually. On one side you say the Kemalist official propaganda will hide Nazim's so called pro-greek statement, on the other hand you say he was imprisoned by the Kemalist regime. You want to make up your mind, did they like the guy or not!? You think you know a lot about us, but you don't know sh1t.








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April 14 2012, 2:00 PM 

I know very well what Gavur Yunan means. By the way why do you think I chose this name?


I see no contradiction. The Kemalist regime hated Nazim Hikmet of course, which is why they sent him to prison.
One of the many reasons they put him in prison was this pro-Greek statement.

Nazim Hikmet was one of Turkey's greatest intellect, perhaps the greatest of them all.He also had international reputation. This statement was making Turkish positions on Cyprus look ridiculous, bringing Turkey in a very awkward position. This is why Turks cover it up and hide it under the carpet.

Why do you think the Greek Cypriots like Nazim Hikmet so much?

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"Cyprus has always been Greek land. There is no doubt about the Greek character of the island . The majority of the inhabitants are Greeks and they are rightfully struggling for Annexation of the island to Greece."

Nazim Hikmet, April 1955

 
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April 14 2012, 3:42 PM 

I know very well what Gavur Yunan means. By the way why do you think I chose this name?
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I don't know why would any Greek choose the nick "Gavur", it's like a Jew calling himself Untermensch or Judenshwein.





One of the many reasons they put him in prison was this pro-Greek statement.
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Oh really smart boy.. so Nazim who was already in his fifth year in exile in USSR was arrested by the Kemalist regime because of his statement in April 1955!? See how you are full of bs? Nazim left Turkey in 1950!
As far as I know Nazim sent a letter to the peoples of Cyprus to fight against British imperialism on the island. He asked both Greeks and Turks to join their forces to liberate Cyprus from Britain. I've never come across any statement where he supports Enosis - an idea the EOKA fascists had embraced(!) so this already doesn't make any sense; you are basically telling me Nazim, who was a renowned communist, was supporting a far right fascist movement!?
Nazim Hikmet was a Selanik Turk like Atatürk, and like any Balkan Turk (I am also one) he already knew what their orthodox neighbours had done to muslim population in the Balkans. It was unthinkable for him to support such an idea.









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April 14 2012, 3:48 PM 

Yo Rum piçi, can you show us a source quoting Nazim Hikmet saying that? Not a grik one


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April 14 2012, 3:57 PM 


Here I found it, this is what he actually said:

"Kbrsl Rum ve Türk kardelerim! Ayn güzel adann insanlarsnz! Adanz ngiliz boyunduruundan uzak tutunuz. Türk, Rum, Kbrsl kardelerim- hepiniz el ele vererek Kbrsn hürriyetini kazanmak için mücadele ediniz."



and this is the grikish version:

"Cyprus has always been Greek land. There is no doubt about the Greek character of the island . The majority of the inhabitants are Greeks and they are rightfully struggling for Annexation of the island to Greece."



You Rums are good at manipulating things, dont you..








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~ Nazim Hikmet



 
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April 14 2012, 4:10 PM 

I have asked 3 times still waiting...

Where can I watch this online???

 
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April 14 2012, 5:02 PM 

this is what happens when journalists play historians ... and cumshoots like demir quote there findings... that says alot more about demirs intellect rather then hobby historians..

And our infedel greek exploits the situation... two sides of the same coin..

 
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April 15 2012, 2:25 AM 

Gentlemen here is a Turkish source which openly accuses Nazim Hikmet of advocating Annexation of Cyprus to Greece.(Enosis)

http://members.fortunecity.com/cihanname/nazim3.htm

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