Recently, nearly every post, many Greek forumers asking for a military coup other than a legally selected government to stabilize their economy and gaining their freedom back from both Europe and USA.

My question is how come Greek forumers proud (in every post) of being democratic and having a democracy on their country while asking for military coup?

Dont you think its an insult to Greek Nation which means Greek people have no ability to govern themselves but give the whole responsibility to people whose primary mission is just to protect Greece from outside threats by using arms?

Whats you thoughts?

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"My question is how come Greek forumers proud (in every post) of being democratic and having a democracy on their country while asking for military coup?"

This is a military forum so most Greek forumers are right wingers or extreme right.
I mean a leftist or a hippie wouldn`t bother to post in a forum full or "war mongerers"
if you get my point of view...

fellow conqueror, i'd say to you that democracy is not a synonym to republic! today there is a republic and not a democracy!the "representatives" let us down!
the ancient democracy acknowledged voting to locals only "athenian by father and mother" to men only and to non-poor only.there was direct democracy without representatives. So, the closest to that ancient system nowadays is SWITZERLAND.
plus (military) regimes(not communist ones) do it great with the economy! naturally thre are other handicapps, but at least, no one dies of poverty

First of all, Turks are unfit to teach lessons of Democracy to those who invented it:


"XROMETHA GAR POLITEIA... KAI ONOMA MEN DIA TO MH ES OLIGOYS ALLA ES PLEIONAS OIKEIN DHMOKRATIA KEKLHTAI"

Thucededes, Funeral Oration of Pericles



Second, as the great Turkish author Aziz Nesin had put it :"Two things will never grow in Turkey, coffee and democracy"

Third this is none of the Turks' business.


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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

...democracy is useful only if it serves the people and not the few political elites and their families that run Greece as their own fiefdom.. and since it hasn't for Greece and it's people.. it stands to reason that we need to start again.. assuming that the people that got us into this mess MUST get us out is insulting to say the least.. and anyone that thinks different is a idiot!

 

The poll reflects the opinions only of those who visit this site. The Greeks that search for military stuff, discuss military matters and generally sign up on this kind of forums are mostly nationalists and almost always militarists.

In the Greek public opinion, militarists or those who want a new dictatorship/ junta government are considered at least crazy. You cannot discuss such matters openly with anyone.


PS: Why the hell do you have a little kid as your signature? That's creepy to say the least.... pedo

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democracy denotes by its very name the inclusivenes and participation of the people

so therefore we will vote for a coup
who says coups cant be democratic?

"This is a military forum so most Greek forumers are right wingers or extreme right.
I mean a leftist or a hippie wouldn`t bother to post in a forum full or "war mongerers"
if you get my point of view..."

Fair enough.

I dont know the political partys' names and their view but what i see on your poll is greek forum members voted 12 for right wing and 7 for left wing ("others" are left if im not mistaken) which means there are leftist greeks also more than you think.

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"fellow conqueror, i'd say to you that democracy is not a synonym to republic! today there is a republic and not a democracy!the "representatives" let us down!
the ancient democracy acknowledged voting to locals only "athenian by father and mother" to men only and to non-poor only.there was direct democracy without representatives. So, the closest to that ancient system nowadays is SWITZERLAND.
plus (military) regimes(not communist ones) do it great with the economy! naturally thre are other handicapps, but at least, no one dies of poverty"

Dear friend; that hadnt happened in the same way as you said in Turkey for economics. Well i have never witness a military coup in my life till now in Turkey but what i read on near history tells me Turkey had many problems due to military regimes. (Well as long as i read and listened, many sources say all was a must but still the consequences were really bad. anyway its another story)

So i can understand that soldiers are more patriotic than elected civilians (here is same also) bu i really dont understand how soldiers can be better in economics than civilians? If so, let them found a party all together after retirement, vote them. But keep controling them with your free will.

Why do you bring the guns into this?

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"Third this is none of the Turks' business."

No its our bussiness. A military coup in our borders will effect us obviously as it was same as in 1974. That cost us a low level war but at the end, we bring Greece democracy back.

Dont make foolish move before we fix up our east first. We are not that strong to bring everywhere democracy and human rights at the same time.

I just ignored the first and second one since they even deserve an answer.




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"...democracy is useful only if it serves the people and not the few political elites and their families that run Greece as their own fiefdom.. and since it hasn't for Greece and it's people.. it stands to reason that we need to start again.. assuming that the people that got us into this mess MUST get us out is insulting to say the least.. and anyone that thinks different is a idiot!"

Totally i agree. But what if the military coup creates their elites and they refuse to turn back?

This time you will not have the "elections" as Greek citizens if they fail.

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"PS: Why the hell do you have a little kid as your signature? That's creepy to say the least.... pedo "

The same shvt has been asked by a Turk and i said him not think with his penis whenever see a child photo.

Im not sure that i have to explain my sign (or being a female) but the reason i put her that i like her. She is a very cute child who called by everyone as "papatya"

My interest on defence issues doesnt make me a militarist just like putting a child photo doesnt make people a pedo. Thats just disgusting what you think.

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Quote BabyBeach:
"I just ignored the first and second one since they even deserve an answer."

No my dear Lady , you ignored "the first and the second one" for other reasons:

You ignored the first one because you did not understand it: It is a quote from the Funeral Oration of Pericles, as it was recorded by Thucydedes (huh ? who the fvck is he?), it is in Ancient Greek, the Language of Science , Literature and Philosophy, a language which is far too complicated for your little Turkish brain.
By the way this quote was the introductory sentence of the European Constitution Draft in 2007.

You ignored the second one because you have not even heard of Aziz Nesin, one of the very few great authors that Turkey has produced.
You ignore your own culture.

Do not feel bad about yourself:
"Blessed are the poor in spirit!"




"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

"No my dear Lady , you ignored "the first and the second one" for other reasons:

You ignored the first one because you did not understand it: It is a quote from the Funeral Oration of Pericles, as it was recorded by Thucydedes (huh ? who the fvck is he?), it is in Ancient Greek, the Language of Science , Literature and Philosophy, a language which is far too complicated for your little Turkish brain.
By the way this quote was the introductory sentence of the European Constitution Draft in 2007. "


I really dont care who the hell he is what the hell he said but no, i understand the poor intention of yours. Quoting some sayings doesnt make you democratic while asking for a military coup. Thats sad indeed.


"You ignored the second one because you have not even heard of Aziz Nesin, one of the very few great authors that Turkey has produced.
You ignore your own culture. "


Awww how idiot you really are!! No i heard of him, i read of him, i even worked for his "vakif" before while i was in high school. I wish i was personally met with him. I ignore you because you are such an easy person, googling any "bad" quote for Turkey and pretend as if you have an idea about them.

Aziz Nesin was such a person who has a gifted talent on his writings, using self critism by exaggarating things to point the things he want to change in Turkey. I know and accept my own country's mistakes against its own people (not you) and will try to change it but you people just try to cover your, pretend as if you are blessed and asking for a military coup. Because you know you people are unable to solve anything in your life without help.

What you also dont know is you seem so inevitable while trying to teach me my countryman to cover your ignorance. I asked a question about Greece not Turkey. You choose to accuse Turkey not to answer my question.







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Quote Babybeach:
"I really dont care who the hell he is what the hell he said but no, i understand the poor intention of yours."

Thucidedes was the greatest historian and political scientist that the world has ever produced. His work is taught in every serious University of this planet, and his name is spoken of with the utmost reverence in every serious academic institution. The Funeral Oration is the Ultimate Anthem to Democracy, the cornerstone of Modern Western Civilization.
What the hell do they teach you at Turkish schools? The Nutuk speech of Kemal? I thought so....


I did not "google" Aziz Nesin. I have read a couple of his books. He did not exxagerate, he presented Turkey as it really was.

I remind you that you Turks have never had real Democracy, and all your leaders were either dictators or puppets of the Turkish Generals. Anywbody who would oppose the Army would end up like Adnan Menderes.The first and only Turkish politician who had the guts to stand up and defy the Army was Tayip Erdogan, and we admire him for his guts.




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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

Here is a European cartoon of the 1930s.

Democracy a la Turca: Dictator Mustafa Kemal chooses which candidates will be "elected" in the mock-up elections that he organized.

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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974