3 pkk sympathisers, you can see there ugly mugs in the link below, were sentenced to 19 years in total for throwoing molotof cocktails at a turkish restaurant in london a few months ago.
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Londrada molotofçu 3 PKKlya 19 yl hapis
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Londra'da 3 PKKlya 19 yl hapis
Londrada Türklere ait lokale molotofkokteyli atan PKK sempatizan 3 kadn toplam 19 yl 4 ay hapis cezasna çarptrld.

KUZEY Londrada Türklere ait bir lokale düzenlenen saldrya politik ve rkç amaçl kanaati getiren mahkeme eylemi gerçekletiren üç kadn toplam 19 yl 4 ay hapis cezasna çarptrd. Mahkeme 30 Aralk 2011 tarihinde düzenlenen saldrnn ardndan yakalanan üç kadnn PKK sempatizan olduu gerekçesiyle soruturma balatm, 27 Nisan 2012deki mahkemede ise üç kadn suçlarn itiraf etmiti. Woolwich Crown Court yarglanmalar süresince tutuklu bulunan Dilek Da (25) ile Altn Yadrg (28) 6 yl 8er ay, Dilan Erolu (20) ise 6 yl hapis cezasna çarptrld. Terörle Mücadele Milli Koordinatörü Stuart Osborne, ans eseri atlan molotoflarn patlamadn belirterek Eer aksi gerçekleseydi büyük bir facia yaanabilirdi dedi. Metropolitan Polisi Kuzey Bölgesi Müdürü Mak Chistley ise saldrnn Kuzey Londra sakinleri arasnda büyük bir infiale yol açtn, aratrmann büyük bir titizlikle tamamlanarak bu tip olaylarn cezasz kalmayaca mesaj verildiine dikkat çekti. Yarglamay sürdüren mahkeme molotof olaynn rnak Uluderede yaanan sivillerin yaamn yitirdii hava saldrsnn hemen ardndan gerçeklemesinin, kendilerinde saldrganlarn PKKl olabilecei üphesi dourduunu bildirdi. Mahkeme soruturmann bu yönde devam ettiine dikkat çekti

Kurdistan will remember your sacrifice my brave Kurds. And rest of worl will realize how wrong they are and thank you for exterminating toorks.

^^you can have our kurds, you are both Aryans, same skin color like brown sh1t, same small dicked 1.50m midgets 3rd world subhumans

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I swear these are the most ugly faces I have ever seen, the middle looks like a gorilla, the right one looks like a phuckin ALIEN lmao!

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^^ looks beautiful aryans DD

Gypsies are aryans too. And Kurds are just mountain gypsies. phucking lol

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Not that it matters, but I'm whiter than most Turks, infact people often fit me in western/eastern Europe. Funny this is, I can give you a loooong list of models/actors that are Kurds in Turkey. The last person talking about being white should be a Turk, after all you embrace the slit eye people and consider yourselves one of them, or are you as we all know confused? don't forget you were and are the bitch race of Anatolia and will always be the cowards that bowed to the mongols, were raped by them, and embrace them today.

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kurdo, which one of these three kekos do you fancy?

^^How does it feel to know that most of your countrymen are ruled by the "bitch race" you mention?

I'm single at the moment but my ex was a Turk. A very nice girl to be perfectly honest. I don't have an issue with most Turks, but racist retards making stupid comments will be rewarded with stupid responses.

Do you feel proud? Kurds form an average of 15% in between the populations of Iraq, Syrian, Iran and Turkey, and on top of that are landlocked, yet all of these countries have failed to fully control us, so who is the loser here? we are much smaller in population and lack outside support because of geopolitical advantages the other nations have over us, even so, Anatolian Kurds lacked good leaders, traditionally southern (Iraqi) Kurds have always been the most politically advances group, even the ottomans always had an eye on us and were even quite afraid of some southern tribes (there is ottoman era evidence for this), for a population of 4.5 million in Iraq we have achieved so much, so much so that we have got Ankara on our side, and in fact, most golf sunni states now support us and ask us to protect the Sunni Arabs in Iraq, infact Suadia Arabia is in secret deals to sell us weapons in return the Peshmerga will protect the Sunni regions against possible shia attacks.

Northern Cyprus is participating in the VIVA cup which will be held in Kurdistan, we shall settle it then as hopefully Kurds will play the Cypriot Turks.

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'I'm single at the moment but my ex was a Turk. A very nice girl to be perfectly honest. I don't have an issue with most Turks, but racist retards making stupid comments will be rewarded with stupid responses. '

First, those 3 'girls' you are so keen to defend threw a molotof cocktail at a turkish coffeeshop in london where old anatolian men sit and watch TV during broad day light. You expect us to show them any sympathy? Second, they do genuinley look like creatures out of lord of the rings.

First, I am not proud of anything in life.

Kurdish regional government in Iraq is an American product and the current government in Turkey is an American sucker as well as Saudi Arabia.

I have nothing against the existence of Kurds or Kurdish formation in Iraq and of course it's good to see that people co-operate. I take my hat off to honest, kind and modest people whether their origin is. However most people who say "I'm Kurdish" in Turkey are exactly the opposite unfortunately.

@turkkan

Where did I defend them? I'm defending Kurdish people, because, some dude that is not even Kurdish offends you people and you respond with stupid and racist comments.

@ TOROS_2000

You over-estimate Americas hands in recent events. America never planned to give us this much power, infact in 2003 the Kurds threatened america by joining the resistance of they didn't include them in their agenda, and it's because we were already an organised and capable group that we have what we have now, otherwise why are the Sunni Arabs still screwed? even though Turkey and the US attempted to give them power on numerous occasions, infact it was the failure to help the Sunni Arabs that pushed Ankara towards Erbil, and not some rumors that everyone sucks US cock. By your logic Syrian Kurds would get the same treatment? but so far, they haven't got the same treatment. Why? because they weren't as organised as Southern Kurds.

The KRG used successful methods to get where they are now and no body can deny that, even the American embassy in Iraq noticed the smart leadership in Erbil, through a document in wikileaks.

Look, this is clearly a deep social issue where Kurds and Turkey in Turkey on the large part hate each other, and that is strictly with a fight between Anatolian people, because an Anatolian Kurd has no issues with an Iranian Turk and likewise most Turks I've met have no problems with what they call 'Iraqi Kurds' I blame the education system in Turkey, and off course both the PKK/BDP and the Turkey government/army. There are over 300,000 Turks in Erbil, how come Kurds and Turks there get on just fine?

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Kekoman, you say you are whiter than most Turks and that people often assume you are European.

Do you know why you are white, kekoman?

With all probability you have some English or maybe French DNA in you, I can assure you. As a result of Brits and French plowing tons of keko chicks in kerhane and so on in the late 19th century. Maybe you should check who your grandmother was dating back then my dear sir.

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What a retard, my grandparents are from an 'Alan' settlement, they were an east-Iranian empire in modern day russia, the Alans migrated to Anatolia more than a thousand years ago, but they didn't just migrate to Kurdistan, they also migrated to Western Europe, to modern day Germany where they continued onto England which is why Alan is both in English and Kurdish. Infact it is proven that Brits are descendant from Mesopotamian farmers, modern day KRG. Besides, Europeans migrated and mixed with natives of the area around 2500 years ago. DNA tests shows around 60% of early Kurdish ancestry is from around Ukraine. It has nothing to do with modern imperialist invasions.

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hahah so your grandparents are from Russia and they migrated to Northern Iraq? Is that what you are telling me?

Who cares who migrated where? Turks migrated from Siberia to Egypt! From Russia to Mesapotamia.

You have nothing to do with Alans and sh1t. You are a bunch of sandniggers who were raped by them, followed by arabs, persians, macedonians, romans, turks, brits, french, americans etc. Therefore today it is impossible to speak of a "kurdish dna".

It's funny how you imply that you are related to the ancient, cultivated Mesapotamians (babylonians). You are not you shepherds.

Brits related to Mesapotamians? What the fack are you talking about?? The original inhabitants of Britain are kelts. Modern Brits are a mix of keltic and germanic (anglo-saxon).

Kurds = no culture, no history, not even a people. You my good sir are a race of shepherds.



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Somehow most of the world believe that Turks and Kurds hate each other passionately in Turkey, I don't think Turkmens in Iraq are happy. International media and their craps.

kurds are from eastern iran, persians kick those troublemaker animals to anatolia. unfortunately Yavuz Sultan Selim accept them to broke alevi turkmen majority in the region. Slaying turkmens and replacing them with these keko animals was the biggest sin of him.
Before Yavuz, there were only a few keko clans in anatolia who were alevizied by turkmen majority.


map shows clearly historic keko homeland on northeast iran next to turkmen clans like avshars.

Somehow most of the world believe that Turks and Kurds hate each other passionately in Turkey, I don't think Turkmens in Iraq are happy. International media and their craps.

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Kurds have somehow managed to become the "tibetans of the Middle East". Of course as part of the big powers games in the region.
If you look at Northern Iraq, the Kurds there have not left any cultural legacy whatsoever, no mosques, no buildings, no roads nothing. There is much Seljuk, Ottoman, Persian and Arab cultural legacy in the region but nothing Kurdish. It is as if there has never been any kurdish history in the region. Of course they were there but they lived in the mountains as shepherds and semi-civilized savages who didn't accomplish anything. Actually the people that they hate the most, the Turks, have done more than anyone to civilize these mountain goats. Kurds have taken EVERYTHING from Turks (Ottoman and Selcuk), Persians and Arabs. In cities like Kerkük, Mosul, Diyarbakir etc that Kurds claim to be Kurdish EVERYTHING built in these cities is Turkish. There is no such thing as kurdish culture.

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I don't know why I'm bothering with you nationalistretard since it's clear that your IQ does not surpass that of a cat. Your historical understanding makes me want to cry, since you either 1) Have been taught the Turkish version of things or 2) are making things up as you go along.

First of all, learn to read, the Alans were an EAST-IRANIAN empire, not Russian, hence they were of the same roots as Kurds. The Alans migrated en-mass, mostly to Europe but a big chunk of them to Anatolia where they further migrated to other parts of Kurdistan. There are several villages called 'Alan' in Slemani province as they are Alan settlements.

Secondly the Babylyon empire was located in modern day Baghdad and Southern Iraq, not where Kurdistan is found. I have a feeling you don't even know the boundaries of Mesopotamia. Historically Kurds have been a union of semi-nomad with a ruling elite of non-nomads, hence Kurds were mostly farmers throughout history, infact farming began in Northern Mesopotamia, where the KRG is found today, the oldest farm in the world was not too far away from where I lived.

Research does show that Brits are decendant of Northern Mesopotamian farmers.

Most Britons descended from male farmers who left Iraq and Syria 10,000 years ago

Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1244654/Study-finds-Britons-descended-farmers-left-Iraq-Syria-10-000-years-ago.html#ixzz1wZVRQsoQ

Representatives of Soran University visited Huddersfield last year, and there was a reciprocal visit by a party from Huddersfield, who discussed areas of research collaboration. The genetic ancestry project was settled on, and Professor Andrew Ball, who is the University of Huddersfield Pro-Vice Chancellor for research and enterprise, visited Kurdistan to sign the MoU. Professor Richards has also visited Kurdistan in February this year to discuss the project and plans are now underway to recruit students and begin the sampling.

This project is a great departure for us and enormously exciting, says Professor Richards. Kurdistan is archaeologically one of the most fascinating regions in the world it was inhabited first by Neanderthals, escaping from Europes cold during the Ice Age, and soon after by modern humans as they came north from their African homeland about fifty thousand years ago.

Not only that, but it was quite possibly the place where people first took up farming, almost twelve thousand years ago. Were hoping that this work will help us to see if there are traces of those early settlements in the genetic make-up of the modern-day populations of the region.

You idiot, Kurds today are a make up of caucasian people that were influenced by the Indo-Aryan medes invasion. In the heart of Kurdistan there is clear evidence of medes settlement carved into mountains.

Actually, your ancestors are known as civilization destroyers, infact, they harmed the middle east which was the intellectual center of the world, and hence gave the upper hand to the west.

There is genetic study on Kurds available online, and it proves all my claims as Kurdish DNA in the KRG for example shows that they are largely Mesopotamian (more so than the Arabs and Assyrians) with a touch of Aryan and European DNA.

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Toros don't you think if there were issues between Kurds and Turkmen in Erbil the Turkish media would publish it? the lack of these stories proves what I say, and there are indeed over 300,000 Turks in Erbil, but since they have their full rights there is no reason for them to complain.

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Fellas, i understand Kurdmans reaction. To be honest, he´s really calm and "polite" even after all the racist and demeaning comments you wrote. When the greekos say shiit like that about turks, you guys get furious, this guy stayed calm. Is it really that hard to seperate the ethnicity "kurd" and the terrorist supporters of "PKK" ? I agree with kurdman, its education thats the problem. But i still would expect much better from my countryman. Kurdman, one thing i can help you out with. The mongol hord, was acctually more turkish than anyone would like to admit, and turks do have a tendency to fight each other. I really dont know your level of education, but look up historical sources and read the dialogs from the russian sources, those guys spoke turkish, had the same traditions etc. Turks are really the only alternative for peace in the region. Imagine what Maliki would have done if KRG wouldnt have had TSK behind there back ? Why cant we all just get along ?

Turkey only took Kurdistans side when they defeated Maliki. Baghdad and Erbil have been fighting over oil rights since 2003, and clearly Erbil won when exxonmobil came on board, and that is when ties between Erbil and Ankara reached its highest point.

A year ago on this very forum I told people that Iran and Turkey can't be allies as their foreign policies were heading for collision, and people here responded with Iran and Turkey will destroy the KRG blah blah blah, that off course shows the sheep mentality of people here where they follow anything the media tells them. The tension between Maliki and Turkey is in reality a war of words between Iran, Asad and maliki vs Ankara, Iraqi Sunnis and Suadia Arabia. It is clear that both Turkey and Iran were fighting for Erbils support, it is also clear that Erbil has thus far chosen Ankara becuase they prefer to sell oil and gas to the west and so Iran at this stage can't be a route for us, hence Iran is unhappy with Erbil and hence Malikis barking. Having said that, Kurdistan is playing good diplomacy and is still neutral with Iran, via President Talabani that has good ties in Iran.

This is playing in Kurds favor because old enemies of Kurds have now become supporters. The Turkish energy minister visited Erbil, During his visit to Kurdistan last week, Turkish Energy Minister Taner Yildiz said that from now on his government will invest with the KRG in the oil and gas arena. This is a turning point in Turkish foreign policy. And Turkey did not stop there. In a meeting with the governors of Nineveh and Kirkuk provinces, Yildiz sent an important message to Maliki and the Iraqi government, the gist of which was that Kurdistan can be unified with Nineveh and Kirkuk to resolve their disputes.

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Many Kurds look (and act) like apes alright but give me a break, these three are a fvcking insult to both humanity and the history of armed struggle. It's like as if being genetically deformed is a prerequisite to joining the PKK.

 

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Keko, you said your "grandparents" were from an "Alan settlment" right?
What does it mean "your grandparents are from an Alan settlement" you facking knobhead?

Secondly, you kekos have absolutely ZERO in common with the ancient mesapotamians, those who built the first city etc were the Sumerians who have no relation whatsoever to kekos, persians or araps. Their language was Turanic.
Persian tribes (including kekos) came to the region somewhere from Asia long after the Sumerians and Babylonians.

Fact is kurds have not created anything in the region since their arrival. No culture, no state, no empire, just a few shortlived dynasties.

Also, what are you trying to prove by saying that most Brits descend from Mesapotamian farmers?? Look at your own link again. 10 000 years ago there were no kurds in Mesapotamia to start with. You kurds are descendants of araps, kurdified turks, not from these ancient Mesapotamians.
With your own logic I could say we are descendant of Troyans, Hittites, Phrygians, Galatians etc. But no, we are Turks not "Anatolians". You are not "Mesapotamians", you are kurds. Do not take credit for the achievements of some people who lived 10 000 years ago when you were still somewhere in present day Russia.


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It is clear that you have a compromised brain and from your choice of words are probably a spotty teenager. An Alan settlement is just that, Google it you buffoon.


Sumer was a SOUTHERN Mesopotamian empire, man how stupid are you?Turanic language? LOL. seriously, your foolishness is unbelievable. Your lack of simple understanding is beyond me.. even my little cousin would understand this basic concept. Fact is, I really don't care what an inbred such as yourself believes because you seem to just make things up as you go along.

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"By 1200 B.C. Medes and other political powers invaded Hurrian cities (and the entire Mittani) and by 850 B.C. the old language (probably from the Dene Caucasian group, 37, 38) had changed to a so called Indo-European one throughout the mountains, giving rise to the present day Kurdish language. Kurdish historians consider themselves as coming from Medes (42) and the first recorded name of Kurds (Kurti) was given around 1000 B.C. by Assyrians to people living in Mt. Azu or Hizan (near Lake Van, easternmost Turkey). Kurts are also mentioned by early classical historians like Polybios (133 B.C.) and Strabo (48 A.D.). Kurds remained as the Mountains People through Persian, Greek and Roman Anatolian rule."

The median empire was and will always be the start of modern Kurdish people.

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"It is clear that you have a compromised brain and from your choice of words are probably a spotty teenager. An Alan settlement is just that, Google it you buffoon."

FFS man! So you mean that your "grandparents" migrated to Northern Iraq from some "Alan settlement" in Russia?? Your GRANDPARENTS?? This happened when, 50-60 years ago?
Am I supposed to believe this crap? You are a keko who's grandmother probably had a crush on some Brit. Sorry, just being honest.


"Sumer was a SOUTHERN Mesopotamian empire, man how stupid are you?Turanic language? LOL. seriously, your foolishness is unbelievable. Your lack of simple understanding is beyond me.. even my little cousin would understand this basic concept. Fact is, I really don't care what an inbred such as yourself believes because you seem to just make things up as you go along."

It doesn't matter if it was southern, northern, eastern or western mesapotamian empire because there were no damn kekos ANYWHERE in Mesapotamia 10 000 years ago. Do you get it now?? The first city ANYWHERE in Mesapotamia was built by people that have no relation to kurds.

Sumerian is a non-indoeuropean language and is an agglutinative language just like Turanic languages. That is a FACT. If a language is agglutinative it can NOT be indoeuropean but there are significant chances that it might be Turanic. There are many historians who claim Sumerian was a Turanic language, not just Turkish historians. Civilization comes from southern Mesapotamia (from Sumerians) not from northern Mesapotamia.





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Kurdman,

How come most Kurds are so dark? Most Kurds are much darker than Turks. Even my Kurdish wife admits this. What is your explanation for the average dark skin color of Kurds?

Man you are a complete retard, it's unbelievable. If anything Sumerian would have been close to Semite languages, not Turanic, which itself has Persian origin LOL. you are extremely uneducated and very, very stupid.

Meh. I made it VERY CLEAR that the Alans migrated THOUSANDS of years ago, and so ANY SETTLEMENT (definition: Establishment, as of a person in a business or of people in a new region) means it happened a while ago. My grandparents are from a village called 'Alan' which had a population of 2000, all the people there were direct descendants of the Alans, however as people migrated into cities the village is now pretty much empty.

Off course it matters you buffoon, other civilizations were living in Northern Mesopotamia, the Sumerians lived in the deserts of the SOUTH where as the people in the NORTH lived in mountains, which are completely different, hence the people developed differently, or are you too stupid to comprehend the simple concept of adapting to the environment?

I'm done with you. You are completely retard, don't know your basic geography and just invent things as you go along. Your countrymen should be ashamed to produce a retard such as yourself in all honesty.

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Don't you have anything better than trolling to do?

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The median empire was and will always be the start of modern Kurdish people.

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The same was the Roman empire will be the start of modern Italians.


Here I have for you a source (pro-kurdish source even) that says otherwise.
http://www.kurdistanica.com/?q=node/78


And this is what the same scholar says about the cultural achievements of the Medes.

"The Medes added nothing of particular cultural value to justify fighting over their inheritance. The civilization and cultural lux ascribed to the elusive Medes they had adopted from the indigenous peoples and illustrious cultures they found already in place when they arrived in western Asia as nomadic immigrants in circa 1100 BC. Kurdish culture, which identifies the Kurdish people, has its native roots in the distinguished legacy of all those who preceded the Medes, but also includes the Medes. Only for a relatively short time did those mountains come to be called Media. And the Medes who settled in the Zagros brought little but they learned much from the local indigenous people with an ancient and sophisticated civilization. Before merging their identity with them, the Medes enriched the local cultures with one more layer of experience and one more addition of genes into their racial pool. And what they left behind after their ethnic name disappeared, continued to evolve through cultures and peoples who came after them, settled in the area and in turn disappeared into the local milieu."

http://www.kurdistanica.com/?q=node/78

In other words, kekos have not achieved anything culturally since 1100 BC.

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Well please answer my question Kurdman.

How come Kurds have a darker skin on average than Turks?

How come there are less Kurds with colored eyes than Turks as a percentage of the population ?

How come there are less Kurds with light hair color than Turks as a percentage of the population ?

Please answer these questions.

Use your brain maybe? on average Kurdish regions are much hotter than Turkish cities which is why Kurds get tanned? Kurds are on the large part light skinned, most people have black or brown hair, and some have blonde hair. Here is a picture of a big group of Kurds, I really don't see where you get the idea of Kurds being as dark as Indians or anything as such.

Iraqi Turkmen are the darkest group in Iraq, because they live in the plains and desert, move them to Istanbul and eventually they'll be exposed to less harsh sun and will get lighter like any other middle eastern group.

Not to burst your bubble but in North London where there is a big Kurdish, Turkish and greek community, the three groups tick their ethnicity box in the same category.






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F@ck all kind of Facism. In fact anyone who was in Anatolia, knows that there are many Kurds who looks like Albinos or so called "Readheads". There are differences between Kurds...Alavite Kurds are by far darker than other Kurds ive seen...

NationalistRetard did you even read the source? Don't read the first setence and conclude the whole point you retard.

From the same article that I have read ages ago

"Yes, Kurds as the descendants of the Medes inasmuch as they contributed genetically and linguistically to the formation of what the Kurds are today. No, Kurds are not descendants of the Medes as their civilized ancestors were already in place when the Medes appeared, flourished, and ultimately disappeared. Kurds need not have come at some given date from some other place into their present homeland; indeed they did not. They and their culture are the progeny of an evolution of native inhabitants and cultures of the Zagros-Taurus mountain systems, coming to us from remote antiquity. The addition of a Median ingredient was only one of countless many.

Let us conclude that neither Kurds or any other nation require ad discrete beginning. Only the most fanciful movie buffs can think of the intricate processes of the evolution of nations as one that needs a beginning, and an end."

P.S: Proff Izady is a man deemed smart enough to teach in Harvard university and has influenced the views of many historians.

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Kurdman,

You are in real denial man. I live in Holland and the Kurds here are also darker than Turks. We don't have a lot of sun here. Kurds are darker than Turks. Just admit it. Most of the time I can easily make the distiction between Turks and Kurds. Kurds are darker and look more like Arabs. You can lie all you want but this is the truth. My Kurdish wife agrees with me.

Look at this map. How come the percentage of light eyes is lower in Kurdish areas?



Here you have another eye color map:



Another eye color map:

I am from Kars. Kars is populated by both Turks and Kurds. Yet you can easily see that Kurds are darker. Kurds and Turks get the same amount of light in Kars.

"Man you are a complete retard, it's unbelievable. If anything Sumerian would have been close to Semite languages, not Turanic, which itself has Persian origin LOL. you are extremely uneducated and very, very stupid."

Turanic languages are not related to Persian AT ALL. Do not talk about things you don't know about fack man you're starting to piss me of kurd!! Persian is indo-european and Turanic languages form their own language family. Basic common knowledge.
Sumerian is not semitic language either. That is also a well established fact. Sumerian language is a mystery but what is known is that it was an agglutinative language and so it can not be indo-european or semitic. The closest known language group to Sumerian are Turanic languages.
Again, if you don't know or you are not sure about something do not open your mouth. That is the problem with you kurd shepherds. You talk too much. STFU once in a while.



"Meh. I made it VERY CLEAR that the Alans migrated THOUSANDS of years ago, and so ANY SETTLEMENT (definition: Establishment, as of a person in a business or of people in a new region) means it happened a while ago. My grandparents are from a village called 'Alan' which had a population of 2000, all the people there were direct descendants of the Alans, however as people migrated into cities the village is now pretty much empty."

You said your GRANDPARENTS were from an Alan settlement in Russia so naturally I assumed they had migrated to Northern Iraq from RUSSIA you idiot because that's what you wrote.
How do you know all the people there were descendants of Alans? Did you conduct a genetic study??
If they were Alan descendants indeed wouldn't that make you less Kurd?? I know the Alans were a persian tribe but still they were not kekos.

"Off course it matters you buffoon, other civilizations were living in Northern Mesopotamia, the Sumerians lived in the deserts of the SOUTH where as the people in the NORTH lived in mountains, which are completely different, hence the people developed differently, or are you too stupid to comprehend the simple concept of adapting to the environment? "

This shows how much you know history. Souther Mesapotamia was not desert a couple of thousand years ago, it was lush and fertile you moron that's why people settled there and that's why the people who settled there could build a great civilization, unlike you mountain goats who have not created anything since dawn of time.
But all of this doesn't matter. You brought this mesapotamian thing up by suggesting that modern brits are descendants of mesapotamians who moved to Britain and Europe 10 000 years ago (I think you were implying that this people were kurds, LOL). Why did you bring that up? You are aware that there were no kekos anywhere in Mesapotamia 10 000 years ago right?

"I'm done with you. You are completely retard, don't know your basic geography and just invent things as you go along. Your countrymen should be ashamed to produce a retard such as yourself in all honesty."

Big mouth kurd I owned you over and over again, name calling doesn't make you look smart. Just shut the fvck up, I hate dense people, I will facking crush you. I'm not like anyone you've met before..

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These maps are outdated, besides, there has never been research in Kurdish areas because the regions where Kurds lived have up to recent years always been a warzone therefore there is hardly any research.

My picture shows otherwise, there are hundreds of people there and that is how the average Kurd looks like. Kurds in the west are usually quite light.

These maps are all assumptions based on geography, which means they don't take all factors into account, so the biggest evidence is the picture which clearly shows the skin tone of Kurds.





Stop living in denial fool.

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NationalistRetard this is my last response to you because clearly you can't read otherwise you'd see that I never said my grandfathers were from Russia and I made it very clear that the Alans were an EAST-IRANIAN empire that is found IN MODERN DAY Russia.

You actually think the whole of the south was fertile? what are you retarded? the only fertile region was along the rivers, everywhere else was always a desert, only the marshes were fertile. You are an uneducated retard with no sense of understanding. Good day degenerate donkey.

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ahahahahahahahaahaaaaa...

I know tons of Kurds. I even have Kurdish family you *******. My grandmother is Kurdish and my wife is Kurdish. Most of these Kurds are dark. They also accept that Kurds are darker. They would laugh at you if they saw your claims. My Turkish side is much whiter than my Kurdish side. YOU are the one in denial. Like I said. I am from Kars which is populated by both Turks and Kurds and the Kurds are much darker.

Yes a known racist is married to a Kurd, and has Kurdish family. Funny how all racists Turks have Kurds in their family I have seen it countless times. I'm racist, but it's fine because I have Kurds in my family. Haha. How low people will get is just beyond me.

Move on with your shitty claim, it's your words against my picture evidence

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Use your brain maybe? on average Kurdish regions are much hotter than Turkish cities which is why Kurds get tanned?

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Just EVERYTHING this keko says is BS. Wow.
Look skin color has nothing to do with climate. It's in the GENES you kurdarap, you are BORN with certain type of pigmentation and skin color. For example if you take a Swede and you move him to facking Erbil he would not end up looking like a semitic kurd, not even his grandchildren and grand grand grand....children would look like kurdo-araps(provided he doesn't mix with semitic kurds). His pigmentation would not allow him to get more dark skinned even if he tries. That's not how it works. It's more complicated. Use the internet you fool. SKIN PIGMENTATION AND TAN ARE DIFFERENT THINGS. You can get a tan but you can not change your racial pigmentation.It's not the environment, it's in the GENES. Stupid kurd-arap.

Lol no wonder kurds are stateless to this date. Semitic monkeys thinking they are white.


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That map is outdated lol. They couldn't do research because it was a warzone? Even more lol. In Turkey 10x more people get killed in car accidents than in the war with PKK. The war is mainly between the army and terrorists. I have been in the east many times. It has always been a safe area to do research.

I am not a racist or Kurd hater. I am just showing that your claims are ridiculous. Why can't you accept that Kurds are darker than Turks? Why can't you accept the truth? What is wrong with you? So what if Kurds are darker that Turks? If Turks are darker than Kurds than I wouldn't have a problem with accepting that either.

I've been here long enough you fool, we both you know your racist mind set. If it was true I'd accept it troll, now as I said, it's my mass-people picture vs the words of a racist. We both know who wins, now I'm done debating with you, I shouldn't be feeding a troll, you might get too existed.

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My wife is a Kurd and she looks like Snow White...

Like i said, its more a matter of the region...Ive seen really Dark Kurds and White Kurds...The same case by the Turks.

NationalistRetard educate yourself a bit, you are extremely stupid. TURAN is an Iranian word. You will make anyone with a bit of common sense crack up for the next couple of days. I can't be asked to find sources for you, and I know wiki is not one but if you go to the bottom you will be directed to several books. Have fun retard with no education what so ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan

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NationalistRetard this is my last response to you because clearly you can't read otherwise you'd see that I never said my grandfathers were from Russia and I made it very clear that the Alans were an EAST-IRANIAN empire that is found IN MODERN DAY Russia.

You actually think the whole of the south was fertile? what are you retarded? the only fertile region was along the rivers, everywhere else was always a desert, only the marshes were fertile. You are an uneducated retard with no sense of understanding. Good day degenerate donkey.

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Keko-arap, your replies get shorter and shorter..and more meaningless each time I reply to you. Why is that kurdo??


You claimed:
1. "Kurdish mesapotamians" populated Britain 10 000 years ago.
I proved you wrong.

2. That kurds are descendants of Medes.
I proved you wrong (and also showed you that it's nothing to be proud of even if you are)

3. That Turanic had Persian roots (LOL)
I proved you wrong.

4. That your grandparents are from an "Alan settlement".
I proved you wrong. You are probably a result of a romantic affair between your grandmother and some Brit solider. Sorry just being honest.

5. That Sumerian language was semitic.
I proved you wrong.

6. That climate (environement) determines sking pigmentation.
I proved you wrong.


Who's your daddy kurd??



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You think you proved me wrong, anyone with half a brain reading will conclude otherwise. Stop digging yourself deeper in the whole you uneducated fool.

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This picture proves nothing you *******. Look at the buildings at the background. They all look whiter. Even the air is very bright white. Either the picture has been made whiter with photoshop or the bright sun is falling on their faces which makes them look lighter skinned. Even the color red on the building looks lighter.

HAHA what an idiot. Photoshoped? do you think someone took this picture so I can use it to prove you are a retard? no. This is a peace rally, something most Turks don't understand, so there is no need to tamper with it. It is just a truth a racist donkey like you can't accept.

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NationalistRetard educate yourself a bit, you are extremely stupid. TURAN is an Iranian word. You will make anyone with a bit of common sense crack up for the next couple of days. I can't be asked to find sources for you, and I know wiki is not one but if you go to the bottom you will be directed to several books. Have fun retard with no education what so ever.

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Kurd-arap, we're not discussing the origin of the word "Turan" that is not relevant at all. We are discussing the actual Turanic LANGUAGES. Also knows as Altaic languages. You are thick as a mule damn it.


Who's your daddy kurdo?

Don't be shy.


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ahahahaha look at how white buildings in the background are you idiot. Some of them are as white as the sky behind them. Look at how white the color red is on the building on the background. You idiot. Like I said. It is either photoshopped by a dumb Kurd like you who wants to show Kurds as white or there is so much sun that it looks whiter.

what are you a retard? that picture was taken in the winter. That is the color of the buildings you buffoon, why can't you accept the truth when it is presented in front of you? this makes me happy, you can't handle the truth, so badly that you fabricate stories. Must really get to you ey? Well, my job is done then.

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The sun shines in the winter aswell you dumbo. There is just a lot of light in the picture. It is very VERY clear that it is a light picture. Some photos are just lighter than others.

My wife is a Kurd and she looks like Snow White...

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So your right hand is a keko? That explains why youre such a TSK hater you imbecile traitor.

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Lol you are so funny! hahaha. It's day time, what did you expect? don't cry man, it's cool, you were wrong move on, it'll hurt for a bit but eventually you will come to accept and embrace it, just like the people that raped your ancestors.

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Kurds are known for their beauty among other monkyes. There so white that you can get snowblind when you stare at them for too long.



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I dont hate TSK Bastard! I hate pricks like you. F@cking Kamalist Loser... Bana bak Pic, bir derdin varsa bana söyle. Aileme laf atarsan seni bulurum ve Karinin Bacinin yaninda Agzini Burnunu dagitirim you get me? Yaparim bunu Bro...

When I think of Kurds and how they look I think of ibrahim Tatlises. He is the epitome of the way the average Kurd looks.

In fact, here is what I think most Kurds look like:



Istanbul was the first city in which I set about to find a composite face. I had no idea what to expect and I thought I would have to pay people for their time. Armed with a wad of one million lira notes (about $1 each at the time) we soon created a near riot by men wanting their photo taken. Pretty soon the same faces would start cropping up to claim their milyon and I realized Id have to come up with a different strategy in future. The resulting face represents more specifically Eminönü Markets a very working class area with a large Kurdish population most of whom are recent arrivals from the south east of the country . Again, as in Damascus, it was almost impossible to get photographs of women. The only one I managed to get was a young girl of about ten whose father insisted on her picture being taken.

That's not to say all Kurds look like that (I have some Kurdish friends who are more light skinned), but most of them do. This is the reality. There is nothing wrong with it, there is no point in portraying yourself as something you're not.

I was expecting you. You are the worst kind of scum, going through lengths to be racist.

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I can play at that game too. Picking out faces is easy, but it wont match my evidence, of a natural mass gathering picture. Just for laughs I will post a picture of your worst enemy muhahahaha.



See what I did there?

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Whatever pal. Call me racist but all the while your the one who's going out of his way in this thread talking about the skin colour of Kurdish people. Talk about hypocrisy.

You try your hardest to make us perceive the average Kurdo as Caucasian but in reality it's not true. The lighter skinned Kurds can be found only in Turkey and not Iraq for a reason, they are mixed heavily with Turks, armenians, Caucasians (regions north of Georgia), Turkmens. I'm beginning to doubt if you've actually seen any Kurds for Iraq. 80% look Arab, just as in the photo I presented above.

Im not being racist here because im not saying one race is superior to the other. I'm stating the obvious, its clear my observations aggrevate you But the truth hurts. Bang some Russian chicks and introduce them to the Kurdish gene pool if you feel so strongly about it

I've already posted a picture of 'iraqi kurds' It would be strange for me not to see any, being from there and all. You are a racist little twat.

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My wife is a Kurd
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ah that explains everything

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Wow man.

This black man must have a really light skincolor. At least this is what Kurdman is thinking.Kurdman claims Kurds are darker because of the sun, yet here in Europe the Kurds are darker than Turks too. Where I come from in Turkey the Kurds are also darker than Turks. Everywhere I go we see the same thing.

Now let's take a look at the Turkish national basketbal team. Nr 8 is Uzbek but still whiter than most Kurds



Now let's take a look at the Iranian national basketbal team. The Iranians are related to Kurds and some of them also believe that they are white.

@ Dönme Demir

Look in the mirror and you will see a Rum Devsirme with blonde hairs. You are everything but a Turk...

The one in the middle looks like a shemale. She does not look like a animal, you cant even compare pkk sympathiser to animals, even animals cant betray their masters unlike pkk sympathiserez they are just good at betraying their nation.

Guys,
this who is whiter than who dispute is a bit nonsense.
Have you ever been to rumeli?thrace?Many turks in rumeli,marmara are like typical eastern europeans,Theye are white ;tall and the girls are beautiful.but if you go to central anotalia,like yozgat,kirsehir people are dark,small etc.The are lots of variable that affect our appearances.I remember the most known cosmetic surgeon of Turkey saying,that moste beautiful turkish girls come from Bursa and Marmara area;he then explained slav connection.He said most beautiful girls in the world are slav aussi.I dont mean these people are slav,but we can not ignore the migration from eastern europe to bursa and marmara area.There are significant number of people in turkish basketball team with origin bosnian.Dont get me wrong i dont say they are not turkish.They feel more turkish than many other turks.i want to say no one is pure.
I guess people in northern irak,kurds turkmens or arabs are darker as they have been living in that area for a long time(hot climate) and they have been maybe mixing as well.i guess it is normal.We turks are not all the same.Someone from rize looks different than someone from adana.The difference in Kurds are much more.A kurd from erzincan or erzurum llok different than a kurd from sirnak.in fact the difference is wider but i dont want to get into kurdish argument.I just wanna state that zazas olok different than the other kurds(i think their language are different as well??).kurds from mountainous are have very rough visages.
you all know hulya avsar.some people find her beautiful some not(like me).How can we ignore the mother side in her.Her mother is from balikesir with an origin Thessaloníki(greece).There are 30 million person who have origin exterior of Turkey.
I think this kurdishman is different than others.Many kurds.He is not aggressive and he tries calmly,but i dont think the brits give a monkey whether they come from iraq or somewhere else.Brtis are mixture of anglo saxon,kelts,vikings etc.we can not ignore the effect of norman invasion on their culture language as well.They have nothing to do with people from iraqi people.They are more germanic than anything else.
this whi is whiter than who is like that my piss goes longer than yours.
we should stop that.no one can choose their parents,their color or their religion.so no ones fault§.

@ Dönme Demir
Look in the mirror and you will see a Rum Devsirme with blonde hairs. You are everything but a Turk...
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Perhaps that's the reason why I didn't end up with a Zeyno or Zahter


lol

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Kurds.hit, brainwashed idiot you grand fathares came from Alania, didn't them? I'm sure you don't know your grand grand father's name but you know your grand father's migration. I piss of what did you read history books in your pigpen classroom. Alans were caucasian peoples and they weren't a nation. Alania destroyed by Turco Mongols in 1230 and lot of them migrated from Caucasia to Europa didn't Iraq you scum of middle easth. Today Alans are Osetian people who live in Georgia. They are speaking a caucasian dialect and it's not any relation with your fake Iranic-Arab- Turkish mixed language called kurdish.


You haven't got culture, you haven't got orginal language, you're not nation, you never live as a free, you never have any state, you haven't history, you haven't got your own alphabet. But you're making kurdsh.t racism and you're trying compare your fake nation with thousands years old Turk cvilization. Can I say who you are? In Istanbul 90 % travesties came from Diyarbakir and they are kurds, brothels are full of kurdish women, kurdish men working as a pimp or drug saller in Aksaray town. Their one of the biggest business is car theft. Kurdish are socially excluded people in Turkiye. They can kill their own daughters for merried with her darling and they tell they kill for their honer and kurdish customs. If came in a committed a crime in turkiye, you should sure suspect is generally kurdish scum. Look at the your signature, just I see black gorillas with american equipments who escaped from Planet of the Apes.

North Iraq Kurdish Armed Forces

Have you ever been to rumeli?thrace?Many turks in rumeli,marmara are like typical eastern europeans,Theye are white ;tall and the girls are beautiful.but if you go to central anotalia,like yozgat,kirsehir people are dark,small etc.The are lots of variable that affect our appearances.I remember the most known cosmetic surgeon of Turkey saying,that moste beautiful turkish girls come from Bursa and Marmara area;he then explained slav connection.
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There is no doubt the most attractive people in Turkey today have their origins either from the Balkans or Caucasus, hence the inferiority complex we witness (i.e. Tanga, Aslan, Mal, Girasun).






otherwise why do you think there wasn't a single woman from Anatolia in Sultans' Harem...

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Durmak Yok Yola Devam!

People forget that over 40% of the balkans was Turkish before we started losing land.

man phuck all of you racist cunts, since when did this thread turn in this pile of sh1t? so many turks arguing against a kurd who is whiter.

Get a grip people


Oh yeah Baklavali: delete those pictures, u destroy the whole size

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I'm not like everybody else

Seriously, what kind of education system do you have in Turkey? how are you producing so many retards?

@HunnicTurk, you are even stupid than the previous guy trying to argue with me.

Osetian are the most natural relatives of the Alans, however the Alans did migrate, mostly to Europe, but some tribes to modern day Kurdistan. That is how Kurds have the name 'Alan' indeed, the story Memî Alan is about an Alan settlement.

Retard, Osetian speak an INDO-IRANIAN language, educate your self you fool. Ossetic or Ossetian (Ossetic: , tr. Iron), also sometimes called Ossete, is an East Iranian language spoken in Ossetia, a region on the slopes of the Caucasus Mountains. Both Kurdish and Osetian are Iranian languages.

Oh, and you have your own alphabet? first you used the Arabic script, then the latin script, non of which are actually Turkish you retarded twat.

Seriously, it seems most Turks have been dropped as kids.


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The thread got side tracked seriously after the kurdman was owned over and over by my brother.

Anyway it was a entertaining and educating thread. Thanks brothers.

You people are so in denial. In your compromised brain you 'owned me' where as in reality I kept having to correct your historical and general information over and over again. Just shows how the mind set of a typical Turk living in a bubble works. This is just too funny.

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ahahahahahahahaa

A brainles Kurd believes Kurds are white.

ahahahahahahaaaaaa ..........

I am almost crying from laughter

"Fellas, i understand Kurdmans reaction. To be honest, he´s really calm and "polite" even after all the racist and demeaning comments you wrote. When the greekos say (bad things) like that about turks, you guys get furious, this guy stayed calm. Is it really that hard to seperate the ethnicity "kurd" and the terrorist supporters of "PKK" ? I agree with kurdman, its education thats the problem."

Jagare I agree with you on this.


Why does skin color matter? The answer is: SKIN COLOR DOES NOT MATTER.

What is needed in Turkey is unity between the citizens of Turkey. Most Kurds don't support the PKK. The PKK takes advantage of poverty and lack of education in the Southeast to lure Kurds to the mountains. Some young people are even held in the mountains against their will.
The Kurds are not the PKK. Many Kurds are citizens of Turkey and should be shown respect as such.

Those who show racism against the Kurds are the BIGGEST supporters of the PKK.

Kurdman, thanks for remaining calm. Thanks for not name calling.



I don't see if people are Kurds or Turks or Greeks or Christians or Muslims or Armenians or ...


All I see are human beings.

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British authorities should free those Kurds and sick them on the Turanic criminal scum community of the UK. Here is why:

http://cryptome.org/turkey-tale.htm
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Nowhere is the pain of Turkey˘s role in the heroin trade felt more horribly than in the United Kingdom. According to London˘s Letter written by a Member of Parliament, The war against drugs and drug trafficking in Britain is huge. Turkish heroin in particular is a top priority for the MI6 and the Foreign Ministry. During his visit to the British Embassy in Ankara, the head of the Foreign Office˘s Turkey Department was clear about this. He reassured an English journalist that the heroin trade was more important than billions of pounds worth of trade capacity and weapons selling. When the journalist in question told me about this, I was reminded of my teacher˘s words at university in Ankara ten years ago. He was also working for the Turkish Foreign Ministry. The topic of a lecture discussion was about Turkey˘s Economy and I still remember his words today, 50 billion dollars worth of foreign debt is nothing, it is two lorry loads of heroin...

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http://www.cedro-uva.org/lib/boekhout.drug.html

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Turkey plays a central role in the heroin trade destined for Europe. Its central geographical position, on the cross-roads of Europe, Asia, the Middle East, and the Mediterranean Sea, having both many land and sea connections, gives the country the potential to play an important role in any trade. Turkey not only has these possibilities, in practice it is really having many international contacts. Historically, going back to the Ottoman empire, Turkey has its spheres of influence in eastern directions, which is facilitated by the linguistic relationships Turkey is having with several (former) CIS republics. Due to the Turkish Diaspora in Europe, comprising 2.3 million people, there exists an international network for the distribution of heroin to the European market. An estimated 80% of the heroin on the European market is being processed in Turkish laboratories (La Dépêche Internationale des Drogues 1995, Nr. 48). Moreover, the heroin trade from Turkey to the European market is dominated by Turks, even though the Turkish authorities try to make it appear as if especially Curds -the PKK in particular- are involved.

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British security services should sick Kadek supporting Kurds to burn drug trafficking Turkrabians from their nation.

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Why is vaseline in my sig? Because Turks don't want to read what I post. Hopefully the lube makes it easier for those criminal scum who are such great cry-babies to swallow.

'Seriously, what kind of education system do you have in Turkey? how are you producing so many retards? '

Education in Turiye is governed by a national system which was established in accordance with the Ataturk Reforms after the Turkish War of Independence. It is a state supervised system designed to produce a skillful professional class for the social and economic institutes of the nation. Turkish Education system has democratic, modern, scientific secular and coeducational characteristics. The purpose of the Turkish Education System is to increase the welfare and happiness of the Turkish citizens and Turkish society, to support and facilitate economic, social and cultural development in national unity and integration and to make the Turkish nation a constructive, creative and distinguished partner in modern civilization.

Children are obliged to take 8 years of primary education between the ages of 6 and 15, and by 2001 enrollment of children in this age range was nearly 100%. For 14-18 year olds, four or more years of high school education are required in order to then progress to higher education. Annually, about 1.5 million students graduate from Turkish high schools. About 95% of students attend public schools. By 2012 there were over 167 universities in Turkiye. Bilkent University is 32th. ODTU is 96th. from The Top 100 Universities in the world list by Times Higher Education (THE)

So tell me pusti how many universities you have got or your universities have any success from the international science area?

Nex, thanx mate...

Nikitia

Show it up you bitter jewish biitch,... nobody listens to your inbreed azz... Fu+k you panzy greek wannabe homo !

'Oh, and you have your own alphabet? first you used the Arabic script, then the latin script, non of which are actually Turkish you retarded twat.'

Alphabet of Huns



Gokturk Scripts





Hungarian Scripts



Uyghur Alphabet

20 universities in the last 7 years some amazing new uni campuses with leading lecturers from America.

Some uni students. Our new generation is very secular.




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Now Ossetains are Kurdish because of North Iraq Kurdish Goverment tell that. Summers, Babyloon, Persia, all mezapotamia cvilizations were belong to Kurds. Cvilization has been started with Kurds.

Look at the Kurdish Ossetians,




Do you understand one word from these? could you please translate the music you moron from Ossetian language to kurdish?
Also do you know Lionel Messi is Kurdish?




Aryan Kurds


Kurdish origin of the Roman Empire



Femous Kurdish People



Kurdish Delta Force

You have issues understand basic information. Kurds and Ossetians are both of IRANIC stock. That doesn't mean one is the other you retard.

Ah good troll wars between Kurdish and Turkish kids on youtube..uploading random videos and giving them whatever names they please.. some are actually quite amusing actually, but they remain childs play, just like you, kid.

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I dont hate TSK Bastard! I hate pricks like you. F@cking Kamalist Loser... Bana bak Pic, bir derdin varsa bana söyle. Aileme laf atarsan seni bulurum ve Karinin Bacinin yaninda Agzini Burnunu dagitirim you get me? Yaparim bunu Bro...

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Önümde dursan donuna sicarsin etnik özürlü kürdofil. Tanimdigin kisilere internetden sallamak bedava nasil olsa degilmi?

You know what, I never took such invitation through the internet seriously, but in your case I maybe will make an exeption to post your smashed kiro face here on waff just for the lulz.

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