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SYRIZA will win the elections

June 11 2012 at 3:07 PM
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Going into final stretch, SYRIZA builds poll lead
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Monday June 11, 2012


In the last opinion poll to be published by Kathimerini before the June 17 elections, leftist SYRIZA maintains a clear lead over New Democracy, although short of enough support for a clear parliamentary majority.

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According to the Public Issue survey, SYRIZA garners 31.5 percent of the vote, 1.5 more than just a week ago. Support for New Democracy is largely unchanged at 25.5. PASOK has lost 2 percent and falls to 13.5. It is followed by Democratic Left (DIMAR) on 7.5 percent and the weakening Independent Greeks on 5.5. The Communist Party (KKE) also has 5.5 percent, while the neo-Nazi Chrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) has fallen to 4.5 percent. The liberal alliance of Dimiourgia Xana (Recreate Greece) and Drasi attracts 2.5 percent.

In terms of parliamentary seats, this translates into 134 for SYRIZA, 68 for New Democracy, 36 for PASOK, 20 for DIMAR, 15 for KKE, 15 for Independent Greeks and 12 for Chrysi Avgi. Most would fall slightly if the liberals reach the 3 percent parliamentary threshold.

Most Greeks, however, are not convinced that SYRIZA will win. The poll indicates that 58 percent believes ND will come first and only 34 percent see the leftists triumphing.

SYRIZA leader Alexis Tsipras trails DIMAR chief Fotis Kouvelis as the most popular party head. Kouvelis has an approval rating of 67 percent, while Tsiprass is at 49 percent.

Tsipras is due to present his economic program at noon on Friday. Speaking to Skai TV on Thursday, a member of the partys economic team, Giorgos Stathakis, insisted that the next government would not run out of money soon despite fears that the European Union and International Monetary Fund may stop loans to Athens. There is enough money for pensions and wages. A shortage of liquidity will only arise in the last two months of the year, he said. I think we will have a solution by then.

SYRIZA intends to repudiate Greeces loan deal with the European Union and International Monetary Fund and wants to negotiate a new deal with the countrys lenders.

Speaking to reporters on Thursday, IMF spokesman Gerry Rice said that the Washington-based fund is willing to listen to any new ideas that the next Greek government has with respect to how the fiscal targets agreed as part of the bailout can be achieved more effectively.

Rice also said IMF managing director, Christine Lagarde, regretted recent remarks concerning tax evasion by Greeks and comparing their suffering to children in Niger. She regrets her remarks were misunderstood and caused offense, that was not her intention.

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June 11 2012, 3:09 PM 

So lets see what are we dealing with for at least 5 years more in our west border...


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The adaptaion of our foreign policy to the exigencies of the U.S and the powerful states of the EU endangers the countrys independence, peace and security.

We are in need of

A multidimensional and peace-prone foreign policy

Disengagement from the NATO and shutdown of the foreign military bases.

Termination of the military cooperation with Israel.

Aiding the attempts of Cypriot people to reunite the island.

Furthermore on the basis of international law and on the principle of peaceful conflict resolution we will pursue a solution to the Greek-Turkish relations, a solution to the problem of FYROMS official name and an identification of Greeces Exclusive Economic Zone. "


Sounds good i think. What do you think?

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June 11 2012, 3:15 PM 

"Health is a Public Good and a social right


Health is to be provided for free and will be financed through a Public Health System. Immediate measures include:

Support and upgrade of hospitals. Upgrade of health infrastructures of the Social Insurance Institute (IKA). Development of an integrated system of first level medical care.

Stop lay-offs , cover the needs of medical treatment in both personnel and equipment.

Free and costless access to medical treatment for all the residents in the country.

Free pharmaceutical treatment and medical examinations for the low-pensioners, the unemployed, the students and those suffering of chronic diseases. "


Decreasing the defence budget will absulutely finance the free public health system. Nice shot!

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June 11 2012, 4:09 PM 

I feel sorry for my countrymen because they failed to learn from history or from the experience of other nations who were governed by Communists. Ultimately, in the end we all get what we deserve. If they want Communism, then let them taste it.

Looks like the Greeks themselves have voted to commit mass suicide. Mass suicide of the country and nation. Tsipras believes that he can renegotiate the terms of the loan agreement, even though the IMF, EU, and ECB has stated that there will be no renegotiation of the terms of the agreement. This is called delusion. When you fail to look around you and accept reality.

Tsipras reminds me of Hitler during the siege of Berlin who believed a magical army will appear and save Berlin at the very last moment when the Soviet were less than 1 klm away from his bunker.

I say let them default, let them have hyperinflation, let them be thrown out of the Eurozone, let them suffer, let them experience fuel and raw materials shortages. Without suffering they will never learn.













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June 11 2012, 4:59 PM 

My main concern is his foreign policy

As regards renegotiating the bailout and austerity measures i support his moves.it should have been done from the outset but the ND and pasok boys were mere lackeys.
the bankers have to decide also either remain rigid and lose the lot or be fairer.the eurozone must also decide either downsize or be flexible.they know greece can be the begining of the end for them.
and for those that think greece will suffer HELLOOOOO where have you bean the last 2 years? economy shrinking 7% per anum,unemployment 20-30%,government revenue in retreat,public assets about to be given away with the nations resources but you think its going to get worse?PPFFT!

if he quits nato its instant war

 
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June 11 2012, 5:14 PM 

"My main concern is his foreign policy "

I thought you people will agree with his foreign policy. Whats wrong wth that? Zero problems with neighbors will save more money.

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June 11 2012, 5:24 PM 

the problem is that he thinks turkey wants peace and is even remotely interested in international law and justice,
fact is turkey isnt thus there is no partner to make peace and good neighbourly co existance.
and any turk here who honestly believes that their country isnt belligerant and warmongering isnt being honest.

 
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June 11 2012, 5:26 PM 

"I feel sorry for my countrymen because they failed to learn from history or from the experience of other nations who were governed by Communists. Ultimately, in the end we all get what we deserve. If they want Communism, then let them taste it!" happy.gif

Dear Kallimachos,you remind me Dreadlords from Warcraft 3 who have names such as Varimathras, Mephistroth, Mal'ganis, Tichondrius, Dalvengyr, Balnazzar, Anetheron, and Detheroc.

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Your pain has just began dear anglo-greek Kallimachos,soon Comunists will take control of Greece and began to cut it into pieces,maybe we may get some parts such as Western Thrace and Island which are close to us.Macedonians may take some parts which is originally belong to them,the rest can be yours.
I can not wait anymore,I want to see Greece burns! Hahahahahahahahaaa!!! Hehheheehheheheheeee!!!! Hohohohohohoooo!! happy.gifhappy.gif

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June 11 2012, 5:58 PM 

If Greeks vote for Tsipras then he will be the next PM. We are not Turkey in the 90's where Erbakan was ousted from deep state while he was a PM with a big margin.

But bear in mind Tsipras will do few stuffs of what his party says. He is a populist promising everything to everybody, lefta yparxoyn2, but when he gets the seat he will make a 180 degrees turn. There are no money to fulfill his programme and if he dares to lead Greece into destruction then people will hang him in syntagma square.

Forming a goverment between ND-PASOK-DIMAR etc is not a solution. Such a goverment will not last more than 6 months and SYRIZA will become stronger and will get 50% in next elections. Tsipras is in deep sh@t, crisis will destroy next PM like it did with the previous one whoever he and it is time to get away from populistic policies where there are easy solutions.

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June 11 2012, 7:09 PM 

I believe this poll is ****** , Golden Dawn will have the double at least and the party of Independent Greeks will have 50% less votes.

 
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June 11 2012, 7:12 PM 

Erbakan was ousted by Communist deep state, Ergenekon.
Now Commies are in jail, there're other members of Ergenekon who have not been arrested yet; but it'll happen.

if Darwin-believer, Marxist syriza morons take control of Greece, that'd be wonderful for Turkey.
Jewish capital bosses won't oppose a Turkish attack against that red state.. happy.gif

It'd be great.

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June 11 2012, 7:26 PM 

I agree the only positive think with Tsipras is that Greece will have war with turkmenistan....

 
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June 11 2012, 7:33 PM 

No worries. We're moving ahead towards a new world order that is entirely socialist. That's a very long term prediction but it will come true.

 
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June 11 2012, 7:39 PM 

Give Greece What It Deserves: Communism
7/19/2011


Once in a great while an opportunity comes along to deliver justice to a people, giving them what they truly deserve. Greeces time has come.

It must be dawning on all but the most obtuse member of the banking elite that they cant possibly steal enough money from German taxpayers to save the Greek government from default. Put it off, maybe, but collapse is inevitable.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2011/07/19/give-greece-what-it-deserves-communism/
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It was predicted for Hellas.


Socialism will never happen.
Marx took it from the "Mashiah" description of the Torah happy.gif Socialism was a false Mashiah.
That's what Rabbi's tell.

Everyone onto the earth must be mulatto so that it works happy.gif

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June 11 2012, 7:45 PM 

Not really. It's rather the current "capital" in the world which is false, imaginary and concentrated in US, and the labour class is about to oppose that. I'm not a socialist, but a realist.

 
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June 11 2012, 7:55 PM 

GREEK FANS IN POLAND : HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

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June 11 2012, 9:35 PM 

Syrisa will loss , Nea Dimokratia will make it!




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June 11 2012, 10:55 PM 

Looks like the Greeks themselves have voted to commit mass suicide. Mass suicide of the country and nation. Tsipras believes that he can renegotiate the terms of the loan agreement, even though the IMF, EU, and ECB has stated that there will be no renegotiation of the terms of the agreement. This is called delusion. When you fail to look around you and accept reality.
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Tsipras does not claim exactly that, he wants to totally reject the memorandum the way it has been applied , their statements of " it is either us or the memorandum" can be interpreted in this exact way

I dont know if his party changes opinions the way they change their panties but this is what they had been suggesting all the time thats why their party raised in popularity over the others.

If their suggestion was simply to renegotiate the terms of the memorandum then they wouldnt get the support they have because thats exactly what NEA DIMOCRATIA, PASOK , AND DIMOKRATIKI ARISTERA suggests.

So hold your horses and think for a moment, if Tsipras is dillusional thinking that we have a chance to renegotiate the terms of the memorandum then the same applies to NEA DIMOCRATIA and PASOK.

In my opinion they are mocking the voters in order to gain votes, i agree with what you said the foreigners have no purpose to renegotiate anything especially with leftists, and why the hell would they like to renegotiate anything with those that they have been lending money to?

Especially if the various Greek governmentss have displayed their weakness to negotiate anything they used to sign everything that the foreigners told them to sign without even reading it , being servile and karagiozides.

So to conclude nobody can renegotiate anything this is a fairy tale in order to gain votes by the idiotic voters who will believe their stories.

If Tsipras gain power and form a government he will not form a coallition so easily because he is the only one except from the independent Greeks party of Kammenos who totally rejects the memorandum as it is.

The foreigners if they see him elected they will take it as a message that Greek people reject the memorandum all together and the singatures of PASOK and NEA DIMOCRATIA therefore the "obligation" of the country to apply "our commitments" .

They will allienate and humiliate him to teach us a lesson forcing us to exit the Eurozone by politically weakening him and his party.

So to conclude i want the parties to have clear positions there are only 2 ways either you reject the memorandum as it is and the EU policies unless they change tactics which they wont because they believe that they have the upper hand over us

Or you accept everything you bow your head and you follow exactly the same policies as PASOK and NEA DIMOCRATIA.

The fairy tales of renegotation of the terms are being used to mislead people for vote collecting purposes or for justifying their treasons when they signed and accepted the memorandum as it is

when you sign something you cannot get back your singature thats an axiom and leader of NEA DIMOCRATIA and PASOK know exactly what they signed.

So they mock people in order to make them forget their treasons and forgive them by promising that they will renegotiate the terms of the memorandum something impossible even if they wanted to.

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June 11 2012, 11:56 PM 

it looks more and more like it is a done deal that SYRIZA will win the election

I have mixed feelings about this

I agree on the one hand with his position on the memorandum, drachma etc

on the other hand I have grave concerns about his handling of immigration and the armed forces

however I Can say a few things on this topic and then conclude my participation

1. it is exceptionally unlikely that SYRIZA will win a full majority in which case they will have to collaborate most probably with DHM-AR or ANEXARTITOI ELLHNES

2. in the former case we are basically looking at almost a PASOK government again (let us not have any illusions) minus the memorandum, in the latter case something a bit more moderated

so in fact if somehow ANEXARTITOI ELLHNES can power share to a degree then I think this is most probably the best outcome out of a few generally not so good outcomes

on the other hand this will be a new beginning for greece outside auusterity finally

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June 11 2012, 11:56 PM 

it looks more and more like it is a done deal that SYRIZA will win the election

I have mixed feelings about this

I agree on the one hand with his position on the memorandum, drachma etc

on the other hand I have grave concerns about his handling of immigration and the armed forces

however I Can say a few things on this topic and then conclude my participation

1. it is exceptionally unlikely that SYRIZA will win a full majority in which case they will have to collaborate most probably with DHM-AR or ANEXARTITOI ELLHNES

2. in the former case we are basically looking at almost a PASOK government again (let us not have any illusions) minus the memorandum, in the latter case something a bit more moderated

so in fact if somehow ANEXARTITOI ELLHNES can power share to a degree then I think this is most probably the best outcome out of a few generally not so good outcomes

on the other hand this will be a new beginning for greece outside auusterity finally

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June 12 2012, 12:25 AM 

"Lift of the tax exemptions of ship owners and of the Greek Orthodox Church."

Lifting tax exemptions of the church? What tax is that exactly? Does Church in Greece running factories? Or is it tax of the money collected in sundays from believers in the name of God officially?

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June 12 2012, 6:58 AM 

1. it is exceptionally unlikely that SYRIZA will win a full majority in which case they will have to collaborate most probably with DHM-AR or ANEXARTITOI ELLHNES
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which is very unlikely to happen Synaspismos and Anexartitoi ellines are 2 completely different parties the first one hard core leftists and they other one, at least they pretend to be so, hard core rightists especially as far as our national issues and illegal immigration is concerned

DIMAR will do nothing to negotiate the memorandum and furthermore they disagree with Tsipras and his approach

The conclusion is that in case that Synaspismos is the first party it will be very difficult if not impossible to form a coallition government so i predict a third round of elections

If Nea Dimocratia is the first party, they will cooperate with their accomplices PASOK and DIMAR , depending on the percentage that they are going to get i see it more possible to form a coallition government consisted of traitors and political scumbags.

My point is we should not care so much if we are going to have a government or not, what we should care about very much is who is going to rule the country and under what terms, if we want to bring the same traitors again in power just in order to avoid having lack of administration

then we should vote for NEA DIMOCRATIA or PASOK who will cooperate in order to put into practice the memorandum together with DIMAR.

If on the other hand we want hard core communism then vote for Tsipras who plays the savior at the expense of our national issues taking advantage of the hatred of people against the memorandum, IMF, and Merkel.

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June 12 2012, 7:50 AM 

I see what you are saying there

well actually, now that you say it and I hear it from somebody else this is what I expect almost

i.e 3rd round

as you say how is it possible for Kammenos to collaborate with SYRIZA on any other issue except the rejection of the memorandum?

DHMAR I think it is possible for them to collaborate but again I think they are a trojan horse pro-memorandum force

so really we are looking at a repetition of the crisis times of the Andreas vs Mitsotakis days

maybe we go to a third round and Tsipras gets full majority but with only 151 seats?



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June 12 2012, 8:13 AM 

by the way this vacuum of democracy we are witnessing is a sure fire pathway to a military coup history has shown this in the past

so maybe 3rd round, but after that 4th round? or what?



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June 12 2012, 6:11 PM 

Syriza will win the elections because Greeks are delusional, naive, and dumb to believe a 37 year old who's never held a job will go to Brussels and declare the memorandum "null and void", Greece's debts all erased, and life will continue to roll on in Greece with billions coming in from Brussels, Greece remains in the Eurozone, and Greece remains part of the EU.

By the time my idiot compatriots wake up from their "dream" it will be too late because they will realize that reality will be an even bigger nightmare then the current austerity.

And let's face it. Most Greeks (60-70%) are Communists at heart so having a Communist government would simply reflect what most Greeks believe.





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June 13 2012, 8:07 AM 

Even if SYRIZA wins the elections they will fail to form a government. Nobody wants to cooperate with Tsipras. Plus he is only gaining votes from anti-memorandum air-headed people, taking advantage of their hopelessness.

I think even a SYRIZA member admitted openly today on an interview that if they get elected they will ruin the country due to their lack of experience,realistic approach to problems,short-term planning/thinking and their all-round retarded suggestions.


From my connections I know that in the hidden polls (they are not published for the last couple of weeks before the elections so as to not affect the voter's judgement) SYRIZA and ND have more or less the same percentage of votes. ND tends to lead in the polls but only slightly.





If you ask me what will happen is:

(Most probably) ND is first party, forms a coalition government with PASOK and probably DHMAR (Democratic Left). Pro-EU, Pro-Memorandum,Pro-Euro,Patriotic.
(Improbable) SYRIZA is first. Fails to form a government as nobody wants to cooperate with them. New elections in a few weeks/1 month.

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