Hillary Clinton and imon Peres has attended an event in Brookings Institute as a guest speaker. On this event Clinton said they have learned that since 2 days Syrian government forces were working on build-up around Aleppo and this could mean a Red line for Turkiye's Internal and external Security.


Clinton criticised Russia openly for their support to the Essad regime and accused Russia of sending military attack helicopter's to Syria .
She said that Russian Helicopters are currently on their way to Syria which could create devastating results in the current conflict in Syria .

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/25357755/


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on another news

British independent news paper accused Turkiye ,Saudi Arabia and Qatar of supplying weapons and ammunition to rebels in Syria and added that "Turkey will never admit supplying arms to the rebels"

Iran and Russia provide military supplies to Syrian regime while Turkiye,Qatar and Saudi Arabia supply the needs of the Free Syrian Army and the close sunni groups.

A soldier said to be connected to Free Syrian Army said that Turkish side supplies weapons by Ships which includes the supplies coming from Qatar and Saudi Arabia and MIT(Milli Istihbarat Teskilati)(National Intelligence Organisation) provides support to the Rebels.

A Western Diplomat(whose name hasnt been released) said "Turkish Government will never admit the supply of weapons which is mostly provided to Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and groups close to them.)


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This Syria crisis will be the start of WWIII. Turkey is playing with fire. Russia and Iran will not allow the Shia supported Assad regime to fall. If Iran loses Syria, then they lose Hezbollah in Lebanon.

If Turkey attacks Syria, Iran and Russia will invade Turkey and we know how that will end.

In your dreams .In what universe Russian and Iran (muhahaha) invade turkey.Did you really think that US and NATO let that happen.Kalli you need to get some fresh air.You smoke to much!

And if Russia invades Turkey, who will stop them you TurkoArab imbecile? The US which is dealing with a rising China in the Pacific and is fighting a war in Afghanistan and dealing with Paki terrorism?

If you think the USA will protect you or any of the effeminate and weak Western European nations against Russia, you're doing drugs.

Take a look at what the Russians did the Mahometan scum in Grozny. If your dumb Prime Minister attempts to realize neo-Ottoman Sunni fantasies in Syria you will come up against both Russia and Shia Iran.

"Did you really think that US and NATO let that happen"

Greece is a member of NATO. Currently we are broke and if you get attacked by Russia and Iran we wont help. You can be sure of that!

98th Medical Battalion taking positions for combat!

Turkey is Russia's one of the biggest customers. In the event that Russia dares to attack, Turkey will spread such a great Islamic resistance in Russia. Pakistan will also share nukes with Turkey.

Re:Kalli
Neighter the Russian land forces nor the navy is enough to invade Turkey.
You know it,I know it and every other idiot out there knows it so u can stop
your trolling.

An old soldier

Ps:Turkey is not Chechnia or Georgia

Russia could not dare an attack in such a scale ... it would be a suicide mission for them .

They couldnt even contain Afghans ..what makes you think they have the capacity to invade Turkiye ... They would be crushed both military and economy wise .

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Yea sure. The Russians are afraid of Turkey. It's too early to be telling jokes...

History shows us that Russia has OWNED Turks in many wars. You guys can google the details. The truth is you Turks secretly shvt your pants when it comes to Russia, which is why you didn't do anything besides close the border with Armenia when the Armenians were crushing your Azeri friends on the field.

All you did was talk and bitch because you couldn't do much more since you know anything against Armenia and the Russkies will come down the Caucasus for another Turko OWNAGE...

Once Russians were 1x10 of Turks, not including other orthodox garbage in Balkans. Turkey still exists however and closed the gap.

Kalli since when are you Russkie? ... Why are you talking about their achievements (which we have as much as they have ... we kicked their asses in many battles) like it is a Greek achievement ...

Kalli you can stick your prophecy up your kaymak bearded priest's *** ...where it came from and where it belongs... because we have allergy to ********* here.

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We shouldn't worry about the Ruskies , they are probably drinking now and we're screwin their women.

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"Greece is a member of NATO. Currently we are broke and if you get attacked by Russia and Iran we wont help. You can be sure of that!"

Oh no wrong,we'll help...the Russians and Iranians!


As for Turkey your megalomania is going to be the end of you...Russia is not the apathetic Hellas you are used to...They can't afford to lose another country to NATO(the West).

And word of advice you are spreading your country too thin. PKK, Kemalists vs Islamists(not your typical left vs right quarrel this is much more serious), Israel who wants Mediterranean resources, Iran which feels threatened by USA and is sick of you being USA friendly, Russia and last but not least Hellas which is in a difficult position and i'm sure you know of the rise of nationalists and the frustration and battle-readiness of our army...

Try to mess with the balance and you're going to lose either way Turks...

in case of a war with Turkey, even if the result would be russian victory, russia would lose so much power both in military and economic state while USA is there with plans to split russia to 100 pieces and waiting the time russians shows any weakling.. russia can use proxies but direct involvement seems very very unlikely.

With what army and resources Russia is able to invade Turkey.Turkey is more than enough to won a Defensive war exept US.Big Bear you like to brag about in 2008 flew old mig 29 and 21 in Georgia you think do they stand a chance against our NATO trained pilots.By the way ncirlik base in Turkey is vital for US at this moment.I dont know about the Future but i dont think US allow that.Not that we need assistance

anyway, I would love to see russians scrap US plans over syria this way or another.

"Neighter the Russian land forces nor the navy is enough to invade Turkey.
Russia could not dare an attack in such a scale ... it would be a suicide mission for them .

They couldnt even contain Afghans ..what makes you think they have the capacity to invade Turkiye ... They would be crushed both military and economy wise .

With what army and resources Russia is able to invade Turkey.Turkey is more than enough to won a Defensive war exept US.Big Bear you like to brag about in 2008 flew old mig 29 and 21 in Georgia you think do they stand a chance against our NATO trained pilots."



The Turks here have gone nuts. They are not simply in denial, they live in another planet. The Russians do not have to use their nukes, their conventional forces are strong enough to crush any opponent except from the US.
Have the Turks seen the Sukhoi-27 Flankers in exercises?


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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

^^ I know this will sound familiar to you GY but AF took care of Chinese flankers with oldie F4's

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@gavuryunan
I am quoting below from irkut's post from the main forum, and it is for syrian rebels not for a large scale war, get figure it out


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Re: Russia prepares army for Syrian deploymentNo score for this post June 13 2012, 7:32 PM

Never gonna happen. Nezavisimaya Gazeta is an opposition rag. They will print anything to make the Kremlin look bad and claiming Russian boys will be sent to die for sand monkeys would do just that. Russia is a xenophobic country. Russians will riot if their children are sent to die for people they perceive as their inferiors. Period. The Kremlin has 200,000 strong protests in the street today with 5% GDP growth and no war, and it will see 2 million in the streets if in intervenes so it will never happen. Only place Russia would intervene is one of the former Soviet Republics and even then it would take some mighty convincing for the government to not fall right along with such an intervention. Russia is not the USSR. Nobody in Russia believes in "internationalist obligations" anymore.
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If the Turks think they can beat Russia in a war, they are on drugs. The Russian conventional forces would liquidate anything the Turks send.

^^ coming from Greek , that's very convenient. You guys are the master of it . Being high ...

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Turks we are not talking about a total war here, we are talking about a Cyprus like scenario. Don't underestimate the Russians and don't underestimate us...you've made the same mistake in the past. And besides don't forget Russia-Iran alliance as well as Russia-India, Russia-China.

My advice is you need to remain neutral because you're surrounded by anti-NATO countries which hare sick of NATO actions. If Syria falls, Iran is the only thing that remains for Russia and don't think they'll let this go by.

In fact the Hellenic crisis coupled with the Syrian crisis and a possible Russian intervention could mean the rise of a patriotic Hellenic government which won't miss the chance of siding with the Russians against Turkey. And don't think for a minute you're going to win against a joint Russian-Hellenic attack...zero chance

IlgarD:

Of course I remember!

Do you remember how badly I had taunted you back then?

At the end you had conceded: "I said I heard it , did not insisted . but you guys insist it like a goddamn broken record"

I have always believed that you are one of the very very few serious Turks in this forum, and I do not believe you are 15 years old by the way. I will let you off the hook this time, but do not sacrifice your credibility so easily!

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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

TheKhun:

I have quoted the exact phrases of the Turks, so that nobody will say that I twisted their phrases.

Of course Mr. Putin will not send Land Forces to the Middle East, and will not sacrifice the sons of Russian mothers in stupid overseas adventures.

But you guys actually claim that Turkey can stand up to Russia in a war.
I will not even bother to counter this with serious arguments.

I will say just one thing: Do not piss off the Russian bear. The Russian bear cut you to pieces whenever you dared to challenge it in the last 250 years.

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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

OK first of all you people truly underestimate or purely troll about Turkish Armed forces ...we have every capability to sustain a long big scale war ...

I am not saying our forces wont die ...or get destroyed ...yes it would happen ...ITS A FREKIN WAR... but we would hurt Russians so bad that they would simply run back ... WHY?

because its frekin not worth it . They would be crushed to the dust before they capture any land ...which would also be a rubble left over from once a great city ... You greeks know it very well .. we would burn it to the ground than to see it in the hands of some vodka sucking Ruskie .

And the greeks on this forum give TOO MUCH credit to the Russians ... which fairy tale land do you guys live in ? Soviet's are over ... Russia is struggling to keep its own economy floating . A war at a scale of invading Turkiye would be a killer switch in their fragile economy .

Also know this ... we are willing and able to die for our lands do you believe Russians are willing to die to protect Assad Regime?

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That Kalli thing first talking about 3rd world war, then his imaginery ally Russia attacks Turkey but its vey strange that US is not included in 3rd WW since they are busy with Afghanistan.

Well in this imagnary WW, Turkey is alone, Syria + Iran + Israel+ Russia + Armenia + Greece attacking Turkey the rest of the world dealing with Afghanistan, Ahmedinejad and Benjamin Netanyahu together drinking CocaCola, Cofi Annan and Besar Asad playing chess while US government sending 400 sorry 500 free M1A1 tanks to Greece, at the same time Delta airlines are getting purchased by Olympic Airlines and Kallimud wakes up to the real world in USA.


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If the Turks think the Nato will come to our aid if Russia (or anyone else for that matter) attacks us, they are on drugs. The Nato is there only - and for only - AMERICAN interests, they will not move their finger for us if it's not in America's interest to "defend" us. We're their lapdog since 1952, people... whether you accept it or not.


And lapdogs are always expendable.

a perfect cartoon describing our current foreign policy... love Musa Kart

Hey man ,
Since trmilitary went down ( the most serious military forum in Turkey ) I couldn't prove my claim. But found this in the net. Translate if you want.

http://www.defenceturk.com/index.php?topic=2436.35;wap2

SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST:
HKO JETLERNN TÜRKYE'YE SÜRPRZ ZYARET

ANKARA, 06/10(BYE)--- Çin'de yaymlanan South China Morning Post gazetesinin 6 Ekim 2010 tarihli saysnda, Greg Torode imzasyla ve yukardaki balk altnda yer alan haberin özet çevirisi öyledir:

Çin Halk Kurtulu Ordusu (HKO) sava jetleri Türkiye'deki bir tatbikatta yer ald. Bu tatbikatla birlikte Çinli havaclar ilk kez bir NATO ülkesinin hava kuvvetleriyle birlikte çalm oluyor.

Dün Türk basnnda çkan haberlerde, Türkiye'nin Anadolu Kartal olarak bilinen yllk ortak tatbikatlarna HKO jetlerinin beklenmedik bir ekilde katld teyit edildi. Bu tatbikat, Babakan Wen Jiabo'nun açkça geçen yl Sincan'da yaanan iddet olaylar sonrasnda bozulan ilikileri düzeltmek amacyla Türkiye'ye yapaca ziyaret öncesine denk geldi.

HKO'nun bu hareketi ABD'nin yan sra Avrupa ve Asya ordularnn da dikkatini çekti. Ankara'daki ABD elçileri tatbikat hakknda ksa bilgi talep ettiler.

Bu, Çin ordusunun bir NATO ülkesiyle tatbikat yapt ikinci sefer. HKO sava gemileri, Afrika burnunda korsanlkla mücadele için düzenli olarak yaplan devriye görevinden sonra austosta talya'y ziyaret etmiti.

Zaman gazetesi, Türk F-16'larnn Çin Su-27 jetleriyle tatbikat yaptn söylese de askerî analizciler HKO'nun J-11B'lerini göndermi olma ihtimalinin daha fazla olduunu söylüyorlar.

Hem diplomatik hem de askerî analizcilerin kafasn kurcalayan soru, HKO jetlerinin nasl bölgeye geldikleri. Orta Dou'daki blogcular geçi için ran'n hava sahasn açtn söyleseler de bu henüz teyit edilmedi.

HKO, Rusya ve Orta Asya ülkeleriyle anghay Birlii Örgütü kapsamnda yllk olarak yaplan Bar Misyonu tatbikatlar için birkaç gün öncesinde Kazakistan üzerindeydi. HKO generalleri bu misyonu hava kuvvetlerinin artan gücünü göstermek için kullanmaya karar verdiler.

Türkiye'de uçaklarn Konya hava üssünden kalktklar düünülüyor. Geçen yl ABD ile yaplan tatbikatlarda da bu üs kullanlmt.

Asyal bir atee: "Türkiye tatbikat tamamyla yeni bir misyon gibi. Her seferinde HKO'yu daha uzun ve geni menzillerde operasyonel becerisini test ederken görebiliyoruz. Bu noktada örenecekleri daha ne kadar ey olduunu anlamaya çaltklarn farkediyoruz."

Çin ve Türkiye salam bir savunma ilikisine sahip olsa da geçen yl Türk liderler Sincan'daki iddet olaylaryla ilgili endielerini dile getirince ilikiler sarsld. Ilml slam dünyasnn bir lideri olan Türkiye çok sayda Uygurlu sürgüne evsahiplii yapyor.

Çin, Somali'deki devriye görevleri için NATO donanmalaryla tatbikat yapsa da souk sava günlerine uzanan üpheler devam ediyor.
http://www.byegm.gov.tr/yayinicerikarsiv.aspx?Id=2&Tarih=20101006&Haftalik=0#14
Bu arada tatbikatta bizim pilotlar alm
TurAF=8
PLAAF=0

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"The Russian bear cut you to pieces whenever you dared to challenge it in the last 250 years."

+1

Oh BTW , 15 it is.

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IlgarD:
No it is not 15. I have read some of your posts, you do not sound like a teenage boy.
Regarding the Sukhoi-27 vs Turkish Phantoms:

I will not even bother to translate the Turkish source. This talks volumes about the reliability of Turkish military websites.
You are out of touch with reality.
Here is the discussion we had back then. Read and enjoy!

http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thread/1327156032/last-1327197574/Now+the+Chinese+are+training+Turkish+pilots

You Turks have big phantasies about your pilots: You think Turkish pilots are something between Manfred Von Richthoffen and Adolf Galland!
Here is how IlgarD imagines the Turkish pilots: The Red Baron receiving his Pour Le Merite from the Keiser!




I have bad news for you: Modernized F-4 Phantoms would not have a chance against Sukhoi-27 , even if they were flown by the best pilots on the planet!





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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

Russia cannot just walk in and occupy Turkey, there are many factors that won't allow this. First we are not direct neighbours and such would take a tremendous logistic nightmare scenario for the Russians to overcome the distance, secondly we have a 700,000 men army which easily can be pumped up to 2mln within a week.

NATO maybe would not send soldiers (we won't need such anyway) but surely there will be a big flow of arms (so without nukes, and using nukes would open pandora's box) the Russians would fare poorly in a conventional war. No any country (Russia included) will start a war when chances to win is small.

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'If Turkey invades Syria,that is WWIII..'' Blah blah blah..Since ages we read; same news;If USA enters Iraq,WWIII..if USA enters Afganistan WWIII..IF UN enters Kosovo WWIII..If North Korea Shells South WWIII...Such a f@cking WWIII..she never came!

My dear Greece friends;Russisa did not try to invade in hottest days of Cold war.Former KGB chief once said:we could cover Turkey's sky with bomber planes that Turks even wouldnt see sun light..But it didnt happen..guess why?

Now Russians only aim is coming to Kemer and drink Efes beer..and seems like Turks are happy with it...

And this Syria event;if all you think Iran or Syria will be soooo pissed off;why these 2 countries did nothing in last 50 years? Middle east was always a blood bath and Russia didnt even move his finger.. Where was mighty Shia Iran when Israel entered Lebanon in 2006 or when her 2 F-4s were shot down by Saudi F-15s? (I guess 1988)

Nowadays USA is pushing Turkey to step in Syria, hopefully Turkey wont do that.But we should arm Freedom fighters n provise armanent,gun and logistics..That 's all..


That is pay back time for dog Essad who fed pkk b@stards againts us for years..

Fiberst of all the discussion is theoretical. Russia will not attack turkey, provided the Turks do not give them any sh|t in Caucasus and leave Armenia alone.
Turks here are crazy. Stand up to Russia? We talk about the same nation that crushed the Wehrmacht. We talk about the same nation that cut the Turks to pieces in every war in the last 250 years.
I will not give here data about the colossal Russian military might, it is quite pointless.
This is how it will be:
First the Sukhoi-27s wipe the Turkish F-16s out of the skies and suppress the air defense. Then the monstrous Tupolev-22M Backfire bombers will cut to pieces the Turkish Army concentrations (the 2 million troops). The Russian Army will not have to do much, it will just step in, collect the dead bodies and arrest prisoners of war. The Russians will be merciful and will not raze the Turkish cities to the ground.
It will be indeed a logistical nightmare. The Russians will have to handle 2,000,000 Turkish prisoners. These will end up like the WWII German prisoners of the Red Army: They will be cutting woods in the Siberian forests.


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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

@GY


You blame yourself!

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Ne Mutlu Türküm Diyene - NMTD

"Özgürlük ve bagimsizlik benim karakterimdir"

Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK
(Nutuk, 1919)

Br
NMTD

Hehehehe sure Gavuryunan,

Why do Griks always talk in the name of another mans dick? Don't try to interpret the history only onesided the Ottoman empire held for long times Russian territories and Crimea. Yes the Russian is a worthy military opponent unlike the weak Grik, but we are Turks and it takes more than one super power to get us on our knees, but even than we stand up and continue to fight! No glory without death.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)

GY, I'll have to admit that it may not be 8-0 , as there was no statement from AF. But there was an exercise on Turkey in September 2010 , and Chinese attended with their flankers derivatives and Our guys with Phantoms - that's for sure . And even in some forums Chinese themselves said that Our guys beat them. Sure , there is no Source and it's all rumors But It's been said numerous times in Turkish Forums that we beat them by huge margin . But it's up to you to believe it or not mate . TBH , I think it was on Shortrange a2a dogfight .

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IlgarD:
The Sukhoi-27 is the most agile aircraft in the history of aviation, an aerodynamical miracle. With the exception of the F-22, no aircraft stands a chance against it in WVR dogfight.

The claim that a modernized Phantom can beat a Sukhoi-27 in a dogfight is so monstrous that I will not even bother to counter it.
You are lucky my friend, I am not in the mood to make fun of you today!

Since images are louder than words , here is a small video of a Sukhoi-27 demonstration.



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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

"Why do Griks always talk in the name of another mans dick? Don't try to interpret the history only onesided the Ottoman empire held for long times Russian territories and Crimea. Yes the Russian is a worthy military opponent unlike the weak Grik, but we are Turks and it takes more than one super power to get us on our knees, but even than we stand up and continue to fight! No glory without death."

Weak Griks? Is that why you have your best forces stationed at the border with Hellas? Or why you are 80million and still need a few light years to catch us...

Face it Turgs, NATO won't help you they only want to use you for their own goals in Syria...Basically you fight they take the spoils of wara nd you are being misled into believing you are actually willing to do this war on your own not as a NATO lapdog...

And at first Russia won't attack you they might shoot an F-16 or something to send a message...you don't get it more players enter the game( Iran and Hellas depending on the situation).

I'd always appreciate your mocking me , as you're doing it with something between your ears. A very rare sight in this Forum . Nevertheless , the flanker is a good jet, no doubt about it. But it's a Chinese made clone , flying with a Chinese pilot .being honest , I don't think they are receiving the half of the education nor half flying hours of the both AF's of ours . on the other hand , our pilots probably know everything about their Phantoms . It's limits , capabilities etc.

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LOL Greece cannot even help herself let alone others!

We do not rely on Nato, if we take on Syria we do it on our own.

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Turkiye Turklerindir (Mustafa Kemal Ataturk)

IlgarD:

The Chinese Sukhoi-27s were simply assembled in China under Russian licence, just as the Turkish F-16s were assembled in Turkey under American licence.So they are not "cheap Chinese copies".

They Chinese did try to copy the Sukhoi-27 but failed dismally and abandonned the effort.

Sukhoi-27 is not simply "a good jet". It was the best jet on the planet till the arrival of the F-22 in 2005.

Even the best of the best F-4 pilots on the planet would be hopeless against Sukhoi-27.

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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

deyim yerindeyse ben bu yunanlilar kadar elin uckuru ile gerdege girmeye merakli ve niyetli baska bir millet görmedim.

ich lasse mich gerne eines besseren belehren u can prove me wrong, but it ain't seems to be at all u could do this

greeks are really eager to go to the bridal/nuptial chamber (wedding night) with 3rd party "mechanism"

(...like all the stuff they've purchased from abroad and not building/producing on their own @home)

we turks are eager to use our own (sapina kadar) turkish "mekanizma" like we are building up our indigenous defence industry!

the difference between us.

q.e.d.

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The Sukhoi-27 is the most agile aircraft in the history of aviation, an aerodynamical miracle. With the exception of the F-22, no aircraft stands a chance against it in WVR dogfight.
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Yes it is a Good designed aircraft with strong engines and it is an agile aircraft an Aerodynamic miracle ? not so much .

The name for Su-27 ,Raptor , Eurofighter Typhoon and F-15Active(which is an experimental design) is SUPERMANEUVERABLE Aircraft.

They perform certain moves that other jet fighters cannot perform ... for example Pugachev's Cobra ... which is a special move doen by SU-27 .

These aircrafts perform amazing angle of attacks because of their immense engine power ...

however this aircraft is as unstable as it is agile. It is something to do with a plane design study .

Normal airliners are designed to be static stable as well as balanced in dynamic stable . which would force them to return to the normal position after a updraft for example .

But fighter jets are designed unstable on purpose to keep them agile ... which leads to need to use flight computers to JUST TO KEEP THE AIRCRAFT STRAIGHT AND LEVEL...because of the immense power and speeds they need to be operated in ...

During these maneuver's pilot's work load is greatly increased and simply too much after some point to calculate every required effect . In su-27 this effect shows itself many times ...even the most experienced pilots of the Russia crash during these maneuver's

you can find many video's showing SU-27 crashes ... and i will name some of them


1990 soviet Su crashed in Airshow
1995 Russian Knight's crashed
2002 Ukranian Su crashed during demonstration
2009 2 Su-27 collided mid air in an Airshow
2009 Belarus Su-27 crashed during air show

these are all because of its high maneuevre ability of the aircraft simply the work load is immense to keep the aircraft in control

You may build the best aircrafts of the world and they could be as agile as they can however if there are no pilots with the mental capacity to pilot them afloat ..then would you think thats the best plane of the world?

I think not ... Most of the time Human performance effects more than you can imagine .

I would personally put my money on a F-15 Eagle (not even a Raptor) against a Su-27

Phantom ... thats another story ... i truly do not have any information regarding this training between Turkiye and China ...






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"We do not rely on Nato, if we take on Syria we do it on our own."

Exactly you'll do all the fighting, USA will get to decide about the country's fate...stop being in denial..you're USA's lapdog and nothing more...
And before you say anything at least we accept the reality that we are Europe's lapdog...for now

All modern fighter aircraft are aerodynamically unstable. So is the F-16, the F-15, the Mirage-2000 etc.This is why they need fly-by-wire system to operate them.

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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

Gavur said
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All modern fighter aircraft are aerodynamically unstable. So is the F-16, the F-15, the Mirage-2000 etc.This is why they need fly-by-wire system to operate them
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i believe i have all ready explained that in here gavur

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Normal airliners are designed to be static stable as well as balanced in dynamic stable . which would force them to return to the normal position after a updraft for example .

But fighter jets are designed unstable on purpose to keep them agile ... which leads to need to use flight computers to JUST TO KEEP THE AIRCRAFT STRAIGHT AND LEVEL...because of the immense power and speeds they need to be operated in ...
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But like i have said Su-27 is a SUPERMANEUVERABLE Aircraft it is different than F-15 ...that is why i am putting my money on F-15 ... yes F-15 may not perform some of the same moves a Su-27 can perform .However by not performing these moves a F-15 pilot actually simplifies his dogfight manuevre's and work load, while a SU-27 pilot pushes his plane's limit while draining his own limits too a simple mistake in these moves that Su performs can lead to a Spiral Dive or worse a spin

Last thing you want in a fighter jet would be spin because it is designed unstable which means plane will actually fight AGAINST you during recovery .

Unlike other planes used by civilian population(exception of special designed airshow planes) which would work with you to put the plane on a steady straight and level flight attitude (because it is designed Static and Dynamic stable also balanced in between.)


By the way Gavur Fly By Wire is not the system that stabilizes the aircraft it is the Autopilot or Flight computers which is actually not part of the Fly By Wire system but rather a system working together with Fly By Wire. All Fly By Wire does is to change system from the conventional Mechanical or Hydro-Mechanical systems with wire's that transmits information via cable's (we had Flight computers before Fly By Wire Systems)

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I have posted this news before apparently there is a new news connected to this
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Hillary Clinton and imon Peres has attended an event in Brookings Institute as a guest speaker. On this event Clinton said they have learned that since 2 days Syrian government forces were working on build-up around Aleppo and this could mean a Red line for Turkiye's Internal and external Security.


Clinton criticised Russia openly for their support to the Essad regime and accused Russia of sending military attack helicopter's to Syria .
She said that Russian Helicopters are currently on their way to Syria which could create devastating results in the current conflict in Syria .

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/25357755/
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http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/25358036/

Hillary Clinton Lied to the world.

According to the new the helicopters were sent to Russia for maintenance and they were actually coming back to Syria ...

News(which took New York Times as source) accuse Clinton and Obama administration of knowing the facts and lying to the world to create false tension between Turkiye and Syria as well as to keep Russia in a tight spot .



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