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M1A1 - Will they ever reach Greece?

June 14 2012 at 10:04 AM
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M1A1 - Will they ever reach Greece?

Have a look into this thread:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thread/1337588382/last-1339511374/M1A1+Abrams+are+coming...++finished+now

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Re: M1A1 - Will they ever reach Greece?

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June 14 2012, 10:10 AM 

We are in the middle of the June and there is still not a single sight of them . Are they gonna appear magically in one day , teleported to Greece ?

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June 14 2012, 10:16 AM 

I'm very interrested in if they will really reach greece and in which condition they will be if they really come to greek inventory?

Maybe it was again a greek daydream!

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June 14 2012, 1:37 PM 

Depends on the government that gets elected after this Sunday. SYRIZA might decline the offer even though it's technically a matter of time. The whole thing has been postponed a lot due to the lack of a stable government.

I'd say end of summer or early autumn. If you take into account all the proceedures for getting them 100% operational then it's probably end of autumn/early winter.

These are just my estimates I might be very wrong. Feel free to correct me if that is so.

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June 14 2012, 3:04 PM 

If SYRIZA does not take over, the tanks will come certainly in the summer.
If SYRIZA takes over the Government, it will collapse within 3 months.
So if SYRIZA wins, the Americans will put the shipment on hold for a while, but they will send the tanks as soon as SYRIZA goes away.

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June 14 2012, 3:19 PM 

Any real documents or links regarding the tanks from government side?

Maybe Greek military service links?

Not only statements from some people, but more real documents with government signature on it?

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June 14 2012, 4:15 PM 

"If SYRIZA does not take over, the tanks will come certainly in the summer.
If SYRIZA takes over the Government, it will collapse within 3 months.
So if SYRIZA wins, the Americans will put the shipment on hold for a while, but they will send the tanks as soon as SYRIZA goes away."
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Correction:

If SYRIZA does not take over, no tanks will come and government collapses.
If SYRIZA takes over the Government, no tanks will come and government collapses.

Whatever the outcome, Greece will collapse and no tanks....


 
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June 14 2012, 4:19 PM 

Hehehe Greeks have found their excuse already: Syriza



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June 14 2012, 4:48 PM 

To all who wet-dream of the M-1s, tell your scenarios to the family below:

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"A family beg on the street in Athens. As Greece heads for a momentous electoral battle that could decide whether it stays in the eurozone, party leaders are scrambling to reassure angry voters they can bank on the single currency."
[Oli Scarff/Getty Images]

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June 14 2012, 5:10 PM 

Where is his family? Where is her family? Where are his brothers and sisters? Where are her brothers and sisters?

You say they are begging for money, but to me they look quite fat, so apparently they are not starving to death. If they can't afford to live in Athens, he can move out and go to the Greek country side where the rent is super low and you can have a little garden to plant vegetables and eat. Also, if he wants to work he can do manual labor in the fields.

If someone is determined to find a job they will find one no matter if they shovel shvt for a living, but they will find a job.

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June 14 2012, 7:17 PM 

Many of these picutres of "greeks begging"in the international media are actually not greeks.Most are illegall immagrants that are in greece and have no were to go and no more jobs and are stuck.there are 20-25,000 homeless in the athens(city of 4 million)of those 10% are actually greeks and many of them are drug addicts.

Things are bad in greece however many greek have real estate in both athens and the country side to fall back on.

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June 14 2012, 10:01 PM 

it is a goob question will they come....the MA1, but we have a great force so lets wait and be relaxed wink.gif

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June 15 2012, 10:11 AM 

Acutally you have nice Leo2a6 Hel, but you have no munition for them. Your stocks are completely empty!

You have to buy 2nd hand munition from netherland!

Please, just only answer regarding to the M1A1!

This is no thread about your Leo's.

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June 15 2012, 10:34 AM 

^^

Actually,you're wrong. We have ammo but it's on shortage. I think it was about 19 shells per tank (average) after the last order we received a couple of months ago. Perhaps it's a little lower now due to excercises.

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June 15 2012, 11:13 AM 

And with such shortage amunition your are telling the complete world that you are strong!

Your army have to hit with every single munition 2-3 enemies!

As we know the hitrate of greeks are not 100%!

How will you endure with that low munition a war?

Do not tell me someting stupid like a "BlitzKrieg". For such thing you have too less land borders!

I accept your answer that your army is in trouble nowadays!

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June 15 2012, 11:17 AM 

Greece really doesn't need the M1A1's they already have a one of the best tank fleets in nato.

 
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June 15 2012, 11:17 AM 

They are more than enough to repel any initial attacks. And it's not like you're going to attack anytime soon.

Of course we have a shortage problem but our stocks aren't completely empty like you said.

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June 15 2012, 11:27 AM 

@greenrobin

We are talking about the delivery of the 400 M1A1 in this thread, not how strong the Leo2 of Greece are.

Everybody except that those mbt's are very strong! It is best german high quality weaponery!

@Toras

Your stock is not enough and who said that we or another country will not attack you!

What I mean is, your army should be expect every scenario and should not expect that everything will go good for the future!

Military should not believe on fortune!

Military should be prepared for every eventuallity and any time.

But Greek military is not at that point these days. Shortage of munition shows these very cleary!

@all

Back to my question, please!

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June 15 2012, 3:47 PM 

Haha! Funny how as we were discussing this, another order for ammunition was just placed! 4,500 120mm DM53 APFSDS if I'm not mistaken. Not bad,right?

Source 1:

http://translate.google.gr/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://www.defence-point.gr/news/%3Fp%3D50429&sa=X&ei=H0nbT6SvHYrS8gPLqJXQCw&ved=0CFUQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25CE%2591%25CF%2580%25CF%258C%25CF%2586%25CE%25B1%25CF%2583%25CE%25B7%2B%25CE%259A%25CE%25A5%25CE%25A3%25CE%2595%25CE%2591%2B%25CE%25B3%25CE%25B9%25CE%25B1%2B%25CF%2580%25CF%2585%25CF%2581%25CE%25BF%25CE%25BC%25CE%25B1%25CF%2587%25CE%25B9%25CE%25BA%25CE%25AC,%2B%25CF%2585%25CF%2580%25CE%25BF%25CF%2585%25CF%2581%25CE%25B3%25CE%25BF%25CF%258D%2B%25CE%25B3%25CE%25B9%25CE%25B1%2B%25CE%25BC%25CF%2580%25CE%25B1%25CF%2584%25CE%25B1%25CF%2581%25CE%25AF%25CE%25B5%25CF%2582%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns

Source 2:

http://translate.google.gr/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D44767%26Itemid%3D139&sa=X&ei=H0nbT6SvHYrS8gPLqJXQCw&ved=0CGkQ7gEwBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25CE%2591%25CF%2580%25CF%258C%25CF%2586%25CE%25B1%25CF%2583%25CE%25B7%2B%25CE%259A%25CE%25A5%25CE%25A3%25CE%2595%25CE%2591%2B%25CE%25B3%25CE%25B9%25CE%25B1%2B%25CF%2580%25CF%2585%25CF%2581%25CE%25BF%25CE%25BC%25CE%25B1%25CF%2587%25CE%25B9%25CE%25BA%25CE%25AC,%2B%25CF%2585%25CF%2580%25CE%25BF%25CF%2585%25CF%2581%25CE%25B3%25CE%25BF%25CF%258D%2B%25CE%25B3%25CE%25B9%25CE%25B1%2B%25CE%25BC%25CF%2580%25CE%25B1%25CF%2584%25CE%25B1%25CF%2581%25CE%25AF%25CE%25B5%25CF%2582%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns

Source 3: (Didn't translate because it makes no sense at all [linked image])

http://www.onalert.gr/default.php?pname=Article&catid=2&art_id=15267


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Re: M1A1 - Will they ever reach Greece?

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June 15 2012, 4:51 PM 

NMTD,sounds like you are losing sleep lol
dont worry if they arrive we'll make sure you're the first to know.
in the meantime worry about you're on tanks stuck on hilltops.

 
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June 15 2012, 7:01 PM 

They are loaded on Ticondogera cruisers and ohio class submarines and are currently at the strait of gibraltar... I wouldn't laugh about greeks...











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June 16 2012, 2:56 AM 

The M1A1 did arrive in Greece. But no-one seem to find them. They vanished with just like the EU fonds did.

 
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June 16 2012, 5:43 PM 

What if they would have come?
Do Griks have any plan to attack Turkey or someone else?
If not what the hell Griks would have done with them?
Should we write down "GRIK" for the meaning of the word "Stupid".

 
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June 19 2012, 9:12 AM 

http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2012/Morocco_12-28.pdf

USA is saling 200 tank M1A1 to Morocco for $1.015 Billion and this delusional Greeks are waiting for 400 M1A1 for free.

 
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June 19 2012, 9:25 AM 

The Greek deal does not include US depot refurbishment, US contractors, training in USA and follow-on support. We'll ship them over here, re-furbish them ourselves, support them on our won, etc. If the withdrawal of the M-60s and M-48s is taken into account, the overall cost for the next decade will be minimal.




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