So in the last couple months there have been significant positive and some negative developments between Kurds and Turks. Firstly, the relationship between Ankara and Erbil is at it's warmest point since the first world war. There is a mutual understand between the two which mostly involves around geo-politics and economy. A couple days ago Erdogen announced that Kurdish will be taught in schools (selective course), however it's very possible that it will be upgraded to full time along Turkish. Interesting article claims that this is a deal between the US, Turks and Kurds. It is also claimed that the US demanded the PKK announce a permanent seize fire without laying down their arms, and demanded the Turks reform. You can read the article here http://www.rudaw.net/english/news/turkey/4839.html) the US stance is understandable because they don't want chaos between their allies. What will the future bring? Well there are two options, either all out war between Kurds and Turks (very unlikely) in which there will be no winners, or the current trend continues.

Please no trolling. If you are a racist just don't comment because your whole post will be ignored.

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Seeming that Turkey is at the winning hand, Turkey wil continue to destroy PKK Kekos until the last pig is death. Marxist Communist Pigs dont deserve to live regardless there heritage.

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There is no clear 'winner' the PKKs initial demands were an independent state. Turkey responded by saying they won't give any rights, it seems that they will meet half way. Yes, aside from this 'plan' the PKK has stepped up attacks, maybe to pressure Ankara to make more concessions.

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i think there is deep mistrust between turks and kurds. this is only superficial it wont walk in the long run. besides kurds are gaining momentum in syria and they'll play their hand towards an exit to the mediteranean

@0dySSeaS

Yes, there is a lot of mistrust and like I said these recent events are the cause of geo-politics (Kurds not having access to sea) and Turks needing oil/gas. Whether we like it or not we are neighbors and have to come to terms and agreements.

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AFAIC i'm not opposed to give kurds the possibility to learn their mother language in schools, it should even be a constitutional right for each and everyone living in Turkey, but Turkish should stay as the official language when it comes to deal with administration etc...

We can all agree that there is no military solution against PKK terror,even the top generals agree, those who claimed otherwise are delusional.
The only way to get out of that cr@p is political,there seem to be a political will to end that situation between AKP and CHP, I hope they will find a way.

" since 1984,Minister of Labor and Social Security Faruk Çelik last month put the cost of terrorism at $400 billion. " can you just imagine what could have been done with that money ???

"Yes, there is a lot of mistrust and like I said these recent events are the cause of geo-politics (Kurds not having access to sea) and Turks needing oil/gas. Whether we like it or not we are neighbors and have to come to terms and agreements."

this is exactly why it wont work, turkey has opened too many contradicting fronts because it reached its peak.if kurds are smart then they should not be aboard when the decline starts

Everytime the PKK is in trouble they reach out for ceasefire, would be utterly stupid of Erdogan to fall in repetition (but he's a fackin politician who counts votes and don't give a chit about the future of the nation).


Maybe the all out war will be delayed for some time (maybe years) but in the end it is inevitable.

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You truly do not understand the situation here

Kurdish will never be upgraded to FULL TIME course or other classes wont be thought in Kurdish . It will only remain a selective class because of well known reasons ... 1 Even Kurds actually do not demand such actions( i am talking about real kurds that live normal life in Turkish republic not bunch of keko's in mountains) They prefer Turkish because they actually speak it better than Kurdish and also most of them all ready speak Kurdish . If they want they may choose Kurdish classes .

This language class will be just like any other language class ,just like french or german (which is usually chosen classes)

System itself is driven on Turkish and it wont change for minority group since the majority (including minority) has the ability to speak Turkish all ready.(this has nothing to do with democracy and minority equality, it is simply practical governmental system used in every single country in the world)

Besides there is actually not proper teacher numbers to teach Kurdish in classes . number are quite low and it would take alot of years before it actually can supply enough teacher for the demand that may occur from the east of Turkiye(no one in the west would take that education)



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Maybe the all out war will be delayed for some time (maybe years) but in the end it is inevitable.
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Agreed %100, and sooner is better, even it should happen long before. But to achieve this, we need a national government, not american lapdogs. we should scrap every american plan on the region, than make kurds food for arabs.

Turkey sensing the danger that can come in a few years will probably give a few rights to the Kurds to keep them contained but in long-term this may turn out to be a big mistake for the Turkos...

Yes, aside from this 'plan' the PKK has stepped up attacks, maybe to pressure Ankara to make more concessions.

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On the contrary this is a bad year for PKK attacks, if you look at last years casualties compared to this years, you'll notice there are a lot less PKK attacks, and a lot less casualties on the Turkish side. This is due to the KCK arrests and spring clean-ups before summer.

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Who's Chuck Norris?

Having talks, making agreements and "peace" with terrorists is so lame. I wish a full scale attack toward PKK inside and outside. But again, as its been said above, we need a patriotic government for such actions. Neither AKP nor CHP/MHP doesnt have such vision for that. They are all "system" parties with different opinions. But basically all same to me.

What i would like to see a government such as Israelis have. For the good of their country and nation, they can ignore any international law or pressure.

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Tolga lol "spring cleanups" as if we're spraying some bug killer


on topic: I would like if Turkey just gets northern iraq back, then we'll make it an autonomous region for kurds. No more problems for all of us. And we'll share the oil

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Out goes The-me the in comes Kurdman - boy take the dildo out of your ****. You are suffering from schizofrenia.

An indian who is now a kurd, what's next; a gay greek?

Turks can rent the kurdish areas to China - we will make those apes dance to our tune.

TurkishDomination; Well we can't sugarcoat what it is can we

@ Babybeach; "Having talks, making agreements and "peace" with terrorists is so lame. I wish a full scale attack toward PKK inside and outside"

Its somewhat been proven a full scale attack will either be corrupted or messed with, if we made a big plan to hit PKK in Iraq chances are somebody would leak it to PKK and nobody would be in the camps when we arrive. The reason our sudden airstrikes and ground incursions into Iraq works is because we take action within hours of planning, and nobody has time to notify PKK about anything.

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@Turkishdomination

Do you know Dutch disease?

There will be a war sooner or later. As nutuk said those reforms are there for a delay nothing more. Turkish society is radicalizing as we speak and one minor incident will be enough for a war.



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Stupid facking war-mongering Turkoarabs want to destabilize the Syrian regime, so that will fack them in this regard in enough time. Israel and USA will probably work on destabilizing Iran.

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Why is vaseline in my sig? Because Turks don't want to read what I post. Hopefully the lube makes it easier for those criminal scum who are such great cry-babies to swallow.

I trust a kurd who is out from bdp/pkk but not anyone of them from bdp and pkk sympathesiers.Those bastardos want to divide country,sooner or later.That is their aim.And how many times anyone of them speak about brotherhood,always backed by lies!No Turk in Turkey trusts those traitors.In near past most of Turks do not have any negative idea about Barzani, because conservative people saw his as a son of imam(molla! same use as imam in Turkey) Besides he was sunni muslim instead of alevi(unlike Barzani,most people thought that Talabani was Shia/Alevi because he was backed by Iran)
After Barzani barked so much againts us during 2003 and before 2001,no one was sharing good ideas in Turks (except socialist/comunist boy lovers like Ahmet Altan,Cengiz Candar and Hasan Cemal etc..)
To be honest I do not trust those kurdish politicians because they were aways double faced cowards and idiots.Once you turn your back to them,they are ready to dagger you from your back!They are idiots because they are the most used and throwed figures in politics,thus resulted heavy casualties to kurds and make them slaughtered by their enemies.
Kurds in bdp/pkk side are not seeking relationship or live together in Turkey,neither any muslim country,despite seek seperation and relationship with armenian a$$holes,who buthcered them during WW1 by help of Russian Imperial Army. Armenians were playing same role as Jews does today in Palestine and began to murder to civillian kurds,zazas and turks in south eastern and southern region of todays Turkey.A$$yrians and Nasturies,as well as Greeks and Yezidis also helped Armenians to buthcer muslim people of Anatolia,thus open live areas for themselves. When Ottoman army defeated Russians and Armenian terrorists,they pulled out but most of muslim people seeked revenge for what they had done!Thus resulted ethnic cleanseing of Armenians from Anatolia. Turks gave highest muslim civillian casualties close to 2 million while Kurds gave second,not less than 500.000 civillian deads due to hands of Armenians.(That was the answer of your question Kurdman,you had asked why armenians were blaming kurds for their failure.The answer is clear,if we did not kill those armoscums,they would have killed us.And never me or neither you could be existed today.Those armenian g@ys are crying for their failure,not for their losses. For my opinion they deserved it already!)

Kurdman you phuck buddy niki the whore is here - you can build ovens together and lock yourself inside. Golden dawn will appreciate that espeicilly since Niki is a staunch supporter of theirs.