What will be the consequences of a turkisch war with syria.
I think we dont wat to go to war yet because of the following reasons;
1. It will criple our economy if syria put up a good fight which will scare off investors and costs us huge amount of money. Our economy needs foreign investors to keep growing. War is not good for investors specially not if syria is able to get us into a fullscale war. What you guys think of syria being able to do so?
Another thing is our defence industry is not where it should be for war. With our own defence industry we could actually grow our economy with wars like usa did and still does actually. We still need some 4 years for this when our own tanks helicopters rifles missiles are ready and every shot ammo will be paid to turkisch companies. Right now usa will be economically and Politically victorious if we will go to war.
2. We already got problems with north iraq because of pkk and a syrian war might get us into a diffucult possision militarily and economically. On the other hand in a war with syria we could break down assad regime and pkk in whole syria leaving pkk crippled and then focus on pkk in north iraq. Iranian pjak is already fried chicken...get karayilan in syria as well hang them togerhsr with assad and voila.
3. We are not sure what russia and iran will do if we attack syria. Now one thing is for sure they wont attack us directly no matter what but will give full support to syria perhaps or will they watch from the sideline? I think they will help syria out in weaponary and finances at least. Now in such case that war can take a while. We will have high losses. Economy will get fcked every day the war continues. For this we need NATO backing. When NATO enters syria, russia wont meddle in and neither will iran if they know whats good for them. Again we will have gained alot when getting rid of assads regime. But israel will gain the same without moving a finger. Iran will be slapped simultaniously with assad gone since iran will lose a ally in the region. All this while not so long ago israel was the centre of being threatend.. Funny how things can go.
Should we act now or wait and support the revolt? I think with NATO we should act now and take this oppertunity to criple pkk as well..
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Syrian Army is fragmented, call it anything but an army. Doesn't have the peoples backing nor a strong leadership, obsolete soviet arms that will mostly good for metal recycling..
I ask you... What Army?
Turkey is a super power, it can manage a healthy growing economy on a side of a small war with its neighbor
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The so called Syrian Alevi Army has its hands full from the rebels already, the rebels on the other hand have the full support and understanding from 90% of the population
All Turkey needs to do is engage in a aerial bombardment blowing strategic Alevi Army stronghold and the rest will be completed by the rebels..
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Syrian armor is more than enough for your M-60A3TTS. If you invade without Uncle Sams air dominance expect to loose atleast 200-300 tanks/APCs, 5000 men dead or wounded and between 50-100 fighters depending how effective you are going to suppress Syrian air defences.
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"We already got problems with north iraq because of pkk and a syrian war might get us into a diffucult possision militarily and economically."
In the event that Syria and Turkey go to war.. i expect Turkey will win.. due to USA and the British, aircover, funded of course, by their Saudi benefactors..but not before a bloody war that causes and exploits the already fractured lines in Turkey, and a proxy Iranian war, through out the Middle East targeting US and Saudi interests and Iraq..
...and in the aftermath, the Iranian will extract a vengeful toll on the Turks, for losing Assad's Syria and Lebanon .. Kurd and Alawi causes funded and supported.. while the Jews, being sidelined by Obama and the lap-dog Cameron, and now facing a Sunni Syrian republic (just like in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. . Arab spring...lol), will patiently wait for the Wahhabi time bomb to go off before they become the darling of Washington again..
Lots of Fun..
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Russians have sent to Syria modern anti-aircraft , anti-tank and ant-ship missiles. They have also sent technicians and operators.
If Russia does not authorize the use of these weapons, Turkey will certainly win, without many casualties.
If however Russia authorizes the use of these weapons against Turkey, it is a different thing:
Turks will still win, but they will also bleed.
A large number of tanks will be lost. Ships will be sunk.The F-16 squadrons, which must supress the Air Defense with HARM missiles, will take casualties, which are not easy to estimate.
The question is what number of casualties of men and material (tanks, aircraft etc) Turkey considers as "acceptable", given the dubious profits of such a war.
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Combined USA, British and Turkish aircover will negate any Russian support.. of course the Russians and Iranians will just wait and instigate a guerrilla war in and around the region trying to draw the mercenaries of Wahhabism into a protracted conflict..
Interesting times to say the least.. but what should concern us as Greeks is in what capacity will the British and Turks utilize Cyprus.. and if they do.. will this solidify the divide over the island..
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Some rasons are told here, but there are a lot mor political and economical reasons!
EU also do not want a war on their borders!
And as long many of the NATO members are also EU members they will avoid it!
Russia is also a big factor.
So, what will happen?
That what we can see!
The all will say calm down to each other!
Turkey will grow his economy and strenghten his army (TSK), while Syria will get one ambargo after the next.
Syria will get weaker and weaker until its power is so weak that all of the NATO members (with the permission of Russia and China) will start an operation against Syria!
Or Assad will recapulitate after he has secured his and his family life.
No war at the moment!
And it is good so!
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Re: Results of Turkiye to war?
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June 27 2012, 1:10 PM
war is way to early for turkiyes situation at the moment.
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You guys are crazy if you think we'll just roll in there with tanks and APC's. We'd drop so much ordinance in the area before sending regular armor and troops that, by the time we get across the border you wouldn't find a living thing let alone an armed Syrian soldier. Its one thing the Turkish military is good at, running logistics and ammo. We could keep up bombing of the border area for weeks and still have enough to go on to deal with PKK.