1- Im at the middle of a very nice vacation nowadays so i cant follow every detail unfortunately.
2- Tourism Season
3- The most important reason (urged me to open this thread) is, we have a great chance to mark our own-made Equipments as "Battle Proven" in 3 years. Ongoing missile, UAV, warship, helicopter, Tank, Wheeled Armoured carriers, etc etc still on production / development phase and if we declare war today, that will be the victory of US made equipments, not ours.
Altays maybe wont ready but Anka, T-129, whole -known- missile programs (A-A, A-G, ATMACA etc), Turkish torpedoes, F-16 Block 30 (Turkish upgrade Ozgur with its Turkish Missiles integrated -such as SOM-), at least 3 Milgem, Turkish APCSs, TTZAs, ........ will all have a chance to show themselves in the real combat area.
Just check Turkish Cobras' export numbers after Georgian war, and guess what sort of a commersial this Syrian conflict would be if we keep the heat on without a war for 3-4 more years.
Oh yes, who gives a fck about casualties... its tourism season! Your priorities are definitely in the wrong place, but maybe thats because you're not the one that has to go serve hm? What kind of **** is this, this dumb broad must be kidding me.
"Oh yes, who gives a fck about casualties... its tourism season! Your priorities are definitely in the wrong place, but maybe thats because you're not the one that has to go serve hm? What kind of **** is this, this dumb broad must be kidding me."
@Tolga
Do you realize you're talking to a 19-20 year old girl who has never worked in her life, has zero responsibilities, and brags that daddy is paying for her credit cards and mobile phone?
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Tolga, form a government, start taking women to army, i promise, i will be the first one coming there. Until that, stop crying for the situation which is not my fault.
Secondly, i thought this is military related forum. If you are such sensitive about casualties, i suggest you to moderate a flower care forum.
**** you and **** your vacation, I've been a member here longer than you have, you think you're the one to tell me where I can and cannot Moderate? Its not WAFF's fault you're some spoiled heartless Izmir trash honey, and I'm sorry if I think about casualties over some weapons you will likely never see or use so watch your mouth
Its kids your age that will be fighting, not you. You'll be enjoying the sun in Izmir you inconsiderate little dumb dumb.
You are directly involved in a debate so you cant moderate accordng to rules so my suggestion still valid since you seem so humanist regarding such military related forums.
This is not the place os hippies for gods sake. We talk about guns, not flowers here.
@Babybeach, why are you pretending to be a woman? I am sorry I have nothing against you but I find it quite strange for a guy to act as a women in all-male forum.
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Kallimud why you keep trying to be attention wwhhore in the thread of a 21 year old girl who never need to earn money, but still spend more than you? Pls if you dont have something to contribute (which i never see you contribute something useful) keep silent.
Not supporting a war because you're on holiday is plain selfish.
I don't support a war because there is no reason to go to war on our behalf and if anyone wants to kill Syrians for America, well they can join the American army.
If it's true that our jet was shot in international waters, then we should demand an apology and if not granted then bomb one of Esad's houses and have it over with. Nothing more. No reason for full-scale war.
Also I'm against any compensation because Syria is one poor country, taking from the poor is unacceptable, we're not greedy Europeans. However a nice statue of our pilots in Syria would ne nice.
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@MT Pls not again! Just assume me as a male if you like so we will gain some time. I wont talk about this again again and again. Really i explained myself enough and dont have an intention to talk abt it. If you wanna share your thoughts abt the topic, you will be welcomed, Thats it.
read what TurkishDomination says. He was the first one to point out that your email was burak1985@.....
Burak is males name in Turkey, why would a girl use a males name for her email address? After he pointed this out you immediately changed your email to gamzem@..... (females name)
Sorry but I don't buy it buddy
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As you see people, without Fxxx you words, without useless attacks, without sexual obsessions, someone can mention his objections on the issue as Xtanbul did.
Tank you Xtanbul for your thoughts but i woud expect at least you could understand the first item of mine was written for just fun. The main reason was the 3rd item actually. But anyway, thank you for being kind.
read what TurkishDomination says. He was the first one to point out that your email was burak1985@.....
Burak is males name in Turkey, why would a girl use a males name for her email address? After he pointed this out you immediately changed your email to gamzem@..... (females name)
Sorry but I don't buy it buddy "
MT,
Maybe Burak is considering a sex change operation and participation in the gay pride parade....
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You are directly involved in a debate so you cant moderate accordng to rules so my suggestion still valid since you seem so humanist regarding such military related forums.
This is not the place os hippies for gods sake. We talk about guns, not flowers here.
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I did not tell you as a Moderator, I told you as myself and only myself. Don't pretend like you know the rules better than me you'll just come across as dumber than you already look. So let me get this straight;
1. You would join if TSK took in women?
Answer: You could have joined last year out of civilian high school and become an Officer easier than any male could, why didn't you? You're a liar thats why. In fact I could still send you the papers and introduce you to a female by the rank of Captain who's served in KFOR and ISAF.
2. You think I'm a hippy because I think about lives over vacation and tourism?
Answer: No, thats called being a human which obviously you are not.
3. You came here to talk about guns, not flowers?
Answer: That is all you're worth, you're all talk. This is a military discussion forum, full of people who have served in the military, so instead of being so selfish you should show respect to these people. This is not your neighborhood in Izmir where you're the male queen mmkay? You'd best adjust before people stop discussing the military here with you.
@MT arkadasim cidden son kez soyluyorum, neye inaniyosan inan bu beni bu ortamda hic ilgilendirmiyor ki bu konuda S&C forumda yazmistim o da cok kısaca soyleydiki, hem ilk kayit oldugum, hemde suanki mevcut emaillerin hepside gercek deildir elbette kaldiki buraya 1 senedir uyeyim cok uzunca bir sure bayan oldugumu hicbiryerde soylemedim yapilacak olan terbiyesizlikleri bildigimden taaki sanirim bir turk un sanslı bir tahminine kadar. Sonra da acikladim sorular uzerine, neye inaniyosaniz oye olsun, inanin umrumda deil sadece yazdgim yazilara actiim konulara yada verdigim cevaplara bir bak. Bana copy paste ya ben bu durum hakkinda hic konusmusmuyum? Bunu kullanmısmıyım, yada bununla ilgili ilk konuyu acan olmusmuyum? Ya burada herkes gibi kendi inandigim seyi yaziyorum yada ogreniyorum bunun cinsiyetle ne alakasi var arkadasim? Cidden skldm yani bunlardan, caninin istedigine inan yada hatta direk pas gec olmazmi??
trans: for the last time, I already stated everything about it in the S&C forum abt the first . I really dont care what you buy or not.
tolga why are you suprised? i've seen much worse arrogancy and selfishness coming from male turkish members in here, and mind you i'm an older member than you are.
at least she is a woman.. she thinks peoples lives as playing with stupid toy soldiers as she will not give a damn if your country goes to a war with troumendous casualties. she'll probably be in another country watching from tv and eating popcorn like we'll do
honey, the syrians have chemical weapons, end of story. pray you dont push them too far and go to war with them
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she'll probably be in another country watching from tv and eating popcorn like we'll do
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I've been watching the downfall of Gris from my tv as I eat popcorn and it's real exciting. Can't wait for the grand finale when Gris is wiped off the face of the earth due to starvation. In the last promo I saw masses eating from the trash in Athens.
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This is just hilarious. Babyb1tch is a good exemplar of the inhuman Turkish nation; he/she should be Turkish group leader! Basically this subhuman Turkish trash thinks everything should reduced to their convenience level and ability to brag. Even if Turkey invades Syria and succeeds, it should not be done, because in 3 or more years hopefully more Tofas Turkish trash will be inducted in the Taliban Turkish Armed Forces. So in 3 years subhumans like Babyb1tch who take vacations during conflict can brag more, so of course that is the better option!
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Why is vaseline in my sig? Because Turks don't want to read what I post. Hopefully the lube makes it easier for those criminal scum who are such great cry-babies to swallow.
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Re: I dont Support Turkish - Syrian War...
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June 29 2012, 8:18 PM
@MT; Read the below link and stop wastng my time. For your info, this is the very beggining of everything after about 7-8 months of silence of mine. And what makes you so interested about? Just live your life and as i said, just ignore.
"I did not tell you as a Moderator, I told you as myself and only myself. Don't pretend like you know the rules better than me you'll just come across as dumber than you already look. So let me get this straight; "
For me, you look more dumb than ever by pretending as if you are so called humanist you flowerboy..
"1. You would join if TSK took in women?
Answer: You could have joined last year out of civilian high school and become an Officer easier than any male could, why didn't you? You're a liar thats why. In fact I could still send you the papers and introduce you to a female by the rank of Captain who's served in KFOR and ISAF."
You know nothing abt me ofcaurse. Also you dont know i already been tried but 0.25 astigmat was the reason that im the civilian right now instead of flying with T-41İ sf-260S.
2. You think I'm a hippy because I think about lives over vacation and tourism?
Answer: No, thats called being a human which obviously you are not."
Great, then now you guarantee another 2 years to keep your moderation duty by this sweet lovely human tactics. Congrats
"3. You came here to talk about guns, not flowers?
Answer: That is all you're worth, you're all talk. This is a military discussion forum, full of people who have served in the military, so instead of being so selfish you should show respect to these people. This is not your neighborhood in Izmir where you're the male queen mmkay? You'd best adjust before people stop discussing the military here with you."
Same bla bla^^ If you have objections on the thread, just state them like a gentleman as Xtanbul did or just ignore. You are also another waste basket
I suggest you drop playing the helpless little girl here in WAFF. We know you're a guy and not only this, but it is obvious you are a troll. I suggest you this charade and admit your trolling.
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I cant believe everyone became a poor little child here with tears in their eyes when things getting serious. But 1 week ago whole sub-forum was explaining how they will qonquer Istanbul, Athens, Islands with shiny shiny toys as if there will be no casualties.
You are all so funny Even hard facist greeks here started "but children will die" obsessions. Really funny watching you all that how you turned into a loser when things getting serious.
Thankfully non of you represent the real Turkish soul here. (Im talking abt those who pretenders) If that was "us", there will be no independence war, no Cyprus, no Kardak victories to avoid "casualties"
Im at the middle of a very nice vacation nowadays so i cant follow every detail unfortunately.
2- Tourism Season
3- The most important reason (urged me to open this thread) is, we have a great chance to mark our own-made Equipments as "Battle Proven" in 3 years. Ongoing missile, UAV, warship, helicopter, Tank, Wheeled Armoured carriers, etc etc still on production / development phase and if we declare war today, that will be the victory of US made equipments, not ours.
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your reasons are quite idiotic used for trolling purposes usually when you dont wish your country to go at war with another country then you do it because of the loss of lives , the consequences to your economy, the rise of unpredicted violence etc
you dont say i dont want a war to take place because im on vacations unless you are an idiotic troll pretending to be a girl
ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS
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Please make Babyb1tch the Turkish group leader and kick out Corpus the Hamburgler from that position! He/she is the true representative of the inhumanity of the fake Turkic, Mahometan subhumans.
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Why is vaseline in my sig? Because Turks don't want to read what I post. Hopefully the lube makes it easier for those criminal scum who are such great cry-babies to swallow.
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babybeach who are you trying to kid here? as a man i understand what your male compatriots trying to say.
you are talking from a position of security.its easy to have an opinion about your country as in what it should or shouldnt do,like an internet general .. but if a war erupts you will be the last one helping your country as all those donkeys will go to war for you. you should at least respect that
xtanbul... we will be ok trust me.. sooner or later we will recover.. on the other hand if assad gas the sh1t out of you, you'll be eating your popcorn through a straw like a retard
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The affirmation of war should based on serious facts, if not then I pity those people who have to sacrifice their lives...
Test our weapons and make them battle proven ??? if I'snt know that you're a Turk I would've considered I'm speaking to an illiterate Texan,cause you sound like one.
Esad being secular has no meaning for me, he is a bastard who backed PKK during 90s and he's still doing that,he has my people's blood on his hand.
I wonder why Turkey care about Syria that much, if PKK was the sole reason to fight with Syria then I'm in,but these are all imperialistic intrigues nothing more, and I don't want my county used as a pawn.
They shot down your plane ? Fine,then you sink their ship....they fired upon your people,then bomb the sh!t out of their border post....if you think you tougher and serious, then it should not be eye for an eye....it should be arm for an eye. You have to establish dominance again.
Now if I were you I wouldn't really care about what people think about me.....Me for instance don't think you're woman....it's just you don't fit the bill to be a woman. But as I said, this is WAFF, so why so serious ?
Had you spoken about it like a decent human being I would have replied to you in a civilized way. You're joking about not wanting war yet because you're on vacation and can't keep up with news, if something like that would happen I WOULD have to physically go there and fight, you would not. There are two sides to every story.
babyb, as I said I have nothing against you, pls dont get me wrong. I really dont care what gender you are. I only stated someting which was in mind that s all. I still beleive you are not a woman. a girl ur age would be more interested in which handbags to buy not which ABM platforms we should get. that is jjst me opinion as I said.
sory we in Izmir dirik alot of this **** the yunans left behinf - ouzo they call it raki we call it
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I am glad that some Turks here, who are likely to fight in a Syrian-Turkish conflict, have suddenly discovered the horrors of war , and are now hoping that peace is maintained, as every sane man should do.
I am tempted to remind them that militarily Greece is far stronger than Syria, and a Syrian-Turkish war would be a mere bar brawl compared to a war against Greece. A Greek-Turkish war will bring pain beyond imagination to both sides, and those of us who will fight it should know this well.
I have to say that the same Turks were quite hawkish in the past, telling us that Greece should comply with the Turkish demands, otherwise they would smash us in a war. I would like to tell a story written by the Greek writer Aesop 2600 years ago, which describes them well, and shows their attitude towards war:
A hunter was searching for the tracks of a lion. He asked a woodman in the forest, if he had seen any tracks of the beast.
The woodman replied: "Tracks? I will show you the lion itself!"
The Hunter, turning very pale and chattering with his teeth from fear, replied: "I am o-o-only searching for the t-tracks, not the l-lion its self!"
I believe everybody gets my point.
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
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"A hunter was searching for the tracks of a lion. He asked a woodman in the forest, if he had seen any tracks of the beast.
The woodman replied: "Tracks? I will show you the lion itself!"
The Hunter, turning very pale and chattering with his teeth from fear, replied: "I am o-o-only searching for the t-tracks, not the l-lion its self!"
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I hate this cliché about 'search for a deeper meaning' ********. Get a job. It makes zero sense, a hunter looking for a lions tracks, but not the lion.. really? Why? For ***** sake, people are so simple just like "shim" as Aietus put it :P
I don't give a **** about Greece nor Syria, and I'm not afraid of anybody or any entity, all I stated was BabyBeach is a selfish biatch, don't think I'm afraid of any of your punk countries.
...correct Gavur.. The Turko's all like to talk about war and their conscript military fantasy's.. And YET when faced with the prospect of war.. They all get scared and worried that they might have to put their big fake "born soldier" pride and courage to the test..
...if this thread has proved nothing.. It's proved what cowards and weaklings the Turks are...lol
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Babybeach is not to be taken seriously anyway.
Are you afraid of WAR?
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
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For example uppon arrival in a holiday resort, men usually walk in the room with positive attitude checking the view and the bed thinking how many times i am gonna bang her while most ladies first thing they do is to go and check the bathroom...
Ahahahaha
Its the same, she's checking for the details we never bother to pay attention to
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While Turks bash each other rest of the Greeks gather around like flee's .
While i have no interest in joining the Turkish member argument ...i would like to point out the Greek hypocrisy .
This imbecile for example
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This is just hilarious. Babyb1tch is a good exemplar of the inhuman Turkish nation; he/she should be Turkish group leader! Basically this subhuman Turkish trash thinks everything should reduced to their convenience level and ability to brag
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This is what he says here
and this is what he said on the other post about syrian war
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I hope there is a huge Mideastern sh1tstorm. The more dead subhuman Mahometans, the better the world will be afterward.
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You see ..being a **** is in their blood ...this is why they do not look for ways to improve their economy work and pay their debt ...nono no ...that isnt the greek way ...they plan for ways to dodge pays ...work less ...get paid ...and get free tanks .
Here he is defending tolga's post
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"Oh yes, who gives a fck about casualties... its tourism season! Your priorities are definitely in the wrong place, but maybe thats because you're not the one that has to go serve hm? What kind of **** is this, this dumb broad must be kidding me."
@Tolga
Do you realize you're talking to a 19-20 year old girl who has never worked in her life, has zero responsibilities, and brags that daddy is paying for her credit cards and mobile phone?
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While on another post he talks about
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This is excellent news. I want the Turks and Syrians to go to war and bleed each other to death. The Turks will then be forced to move a great deal of men and hardware south and leave their left flank exposed.
Greece and Cyprus should take advantage of this situation. We have the men and equipment to deliver a knock out blow to the Turks. If HAF establishes air superiority over the Aegean, the Turkish army in Cyprus will be isolated and the Greek Cypriots can throw them into the sea. Para and Marines forces could also liberate Tenedos and Imbros.
We should emulate our forefathers and be men of action and initiative.
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You see there are many more example's like these 2 morons ...
Also some of these cunts are the same ones that posted about Turkish Deaths in PKK conflict ...like they were their achievements ...and should be celebrated ...
I am not saying all the Greeks in this forum are bunch of cunts .... but at least 75% are ... that is way more than the Turkish ones ...which is around 50%.
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I can't fault beachBabe for not wanting war.. After all she is a female.. But what amazes me is the utter arse fear that the "brave born soldiers" WAFF Turko's have displayed.. Maybe BeachBabe was right.. The Turko's should leave WAFF and find a flower forum...lol
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"babyb, as I said I have nothing against you, pls dont get me wrong. I really dont care what gender you are. I only stated someting which was in mind that s all. I still beleive you are not a woman. a girl ur age would be more interested in which handbags to buy not which ABM platforms we should get. that is jjst me opinion as I said."
Im glad now you really dont care about it so i didnt care already what ppl think neither today nor yesterday. My name is BabyBeach on this forum and nothing else matters.
What makes me surprise is everyone attacking me as if im lying but in the deepest, including you, the female image on their minds badly collapsed due to me. Well im glad about that and here im declaring i wont ever discuss about this male/female thing anymore. Everone already speak as they want so what makes difference for me?
Anyway what also makes me surprised is - also as Greek member said after me- , people here curising eachother, threathening with war, talking about how many heads could be blow up by HKG explosion, from how many KMs away can Turkish T-155s can kill YUNANs on the islands... etc suddenly turn into a peaceful people when things getting serious.
I think they already know the situation that someone around has more balls than theirseves so thats the reason that they cant accept this gender reality. LoL Whatever, lets enjoy
baby B, im different.when the clowns were calling for war ,i was calling for peace.when war beckons they prefer peace BUT I DONT!! if war is comming then so be it it!physicaly,mentaly i am ready and have been for a while.
p.s. i will not torture you,rape you ,mutilate you or use some other turkish trait against you.just one bullet to the head,quick and painless.im not saying you are nt worth more than one bullet but times are tough and with so many to slay ammo will be at a premium. and gutting you with a knife,well ,i just havent the time to waste,,,unless you're on sentry or point etc.
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am not saying all the Greeks in this forum are bunch of cunts .... but at least 75% are ... that is way more than the Turkish ones ...which is around 50%.
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50% of turkish cunts including yourself or not?
Just a question I have...
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"baby B, im different.when the clowns were calling for war ,i was calling for peace.when war beckons they prefer peace BUT I DONT!! if war is comming then so be it it!physicaly,mentaly i am ready and have been for a while."
We can clearly see many modern Turks have become "soft", or as i like to say Europe'd.
Yeah you have skyscrapers, you have growth but the cost is great...yuo've become soft and sissies like the Europeans...
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We arent soft but clever ...why we should battle with Syria what we will gain from the war...They dont have any **** and war should always be the last chance if it isnot obligatory , war is a crime... We arent like Syria they are in the deep hole they can behave irresponsible,but we are a growing brillant state of the region we should be responsible and clever...We have many thing to lose...
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"p.s. i will not torture you,rape you ,mutilate you or use some other turkish trait against you.just one bullet to the head,quick and painless.im not saying you are nt worth more than one bullet but times are tough and with so many to slay ammo will be at a premium. and gutting you with a knife,well ,i just havent the time to waste,,,unless you're on sentry or point etc."
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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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I support the Syrian-Turkish war on the following conditions.
1. Turkey will have tangible gains. Not promises. Gains! If our borders don't advance beyong what they are now, war is useless. Turkomen inhabited northern areas of Syria must be returned to the motherland Turkiye. Misak-i Milli should be a minimum measure for determining our gains in Syria.
2. All politicians (including the family members and extended family members of the ruling party and government employees) must be banned from leaving Turkey during the course of the war. Absolutely no travel outside of Turkey for any reason!
3. Burak ve Bilal Erdogan, along with the military-age sons of all politicians, must serve in the army during the war. No medical leave, no bullchit excuses. If you're healthy enough to own a Gemicik, you're healthy enough to pull a trigger.
4. Even though I believe Turkey can handle Syria alone, Syria clearly won't fight alone. Russia and Iran can be expected to provide full overt or covert support. Turkey therefore must involve NATO as to help with certain expenses or shortcomings of the Turkish military.
5. Turkey will have adequate high-altitute missile defense to protect every square inch of Turkey and our troops in Syria from possible last-resort chemical/biological attacks by the collapsing Assad regime.
6. I will be in charge of all female POWs.
7. Asma Assad will be thrown butt-naked in the middle of a batalion of Turkey's sickest, dirtiest, horniest, most demanted privates and Bashar will be forced to watch whatever unfolds.
8. Marshall Law will be declared throughout the Southeast. ANY Kurd found so much as THINKING about protesting Turkey's actions in ANY way, he or she will be taken, interviewed, beaten, tortured, skull fvcked, deskinned, chitted on, chopped into little pieces and dumped in an unmarked mass grave later to be turned into a lush forest for the production of children's furniture.
9. Because of the previous condition, no reporter must be allowed in the battle area / Marshall Law zone.
Plus some other conditions that I may add later on.
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