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We feed the ME with our water, in 20-30 years time water will be more valuable than petrol in this region.











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do you want to leave this to kekos?


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Every square inch of Turkey (and much more beyond our current borders) belong to the Turkish nation. Anyone who wants our land must rip it out of our sharp talons and pay for it with their blood. Lots of blood! Euprates is a Turkish river and will remain Turkish so long as the Turks are around. Anyone who wishes to use it for whatever reason, is subject to our judgement has to try and be on our better side.

 

"Every square inch of Turkey (and much more beyond our current borders) belong to the Turkish nation. Anyone who wants our land must rip it out of our sharp talons and pay for it with their blood. Lots of blood! Euprates is a Turkish river and will remain Turkish so long as the Turks are around. Anyone who wishes to use it for whatever reason, is subject to our judgement has to try and be on our better side.

Aslansin Aslan! Helal sana oglum!!!

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Your ok son..

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iki hafta onceki baskinda sehit olan askerlerimizden biri babasiz ve fakir buyumus sonra da 20li yaslarda sehit dustu. bir onceki baskinda anne ve babasi elektriksiz evde yasayan asker vardi. olen fakir ve gariban türk gencleri. gercekten deger mi bu boktan topraklar icin? sehitlerimiz, genelde zor sartlarda yetisip, gun gormeden olen insanlar. biz "rip" yazip, belki bir iki dua okuyup hayatimiza devam ediyoruz ama o anneler, esler, cocuklar butun hayatlari boyunca ogulunu, esini, babasini bir daha goremeyecek. bunun zorlugunu anlamadan ben bir karis toprak vermem demek bence yanlis. arap colleri icin binlerce turk oldu ve bugun arap collerini hatirlayan kim? deger miydi hayatinda yozgattan, rizeden, adanadan vs cikmamis anadolu cocugunun yemen colleri icin olmesi? nasil olsa kaybedilecekse o topraklar ve iki nesil sonra unutulacaksa, bugun genclerin olmesinin bir anlami var mi?

trans: is it really worth all the deaths we suffer?

edit: ps turk genci hakkari'de, diyarbakir'da vs oluyor, biz ise teroristleri meclise sokup maas veriyoruz. bunun anlami ne? yazik degil mi turk insanina?

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You mean like the Americans who died in Normandy, the Brits who dies in Gallipoli, the Japanese who died in Nonjing or the Germans who died in Stalingrad? I thought so. Our losses in Yemen may now seem like pointless considering the outcome, yes, but it's only a part of thousands of years of human warfare. Afterall, what is war without sacrifice?

What I'm trying to say is that history of war is full of sodiers of X nation dieing in Y nation's lands in hopes of gaining or keeping them. What makes Turks special? Why should we be the ones to cry about our losses and give up to the will of others? Why not make our enemies do the retreating instead?

Should we have not fought the Byzantines in the Battle of Manzikert because Anatolia didn't belong to us and it's therefore "pointless"?

Heck, Istanbul didn't belong to us either. Had we failed at capturing it, me thinks that would have been a "pointless" battle too.

Well, we can't always win. That's a reality as sure as gravity. Given a long enough timeline, we must fail, we must contract and we must suffer losses every once in a while. But that doesn't mean we should just stop fighting now, and give up 2/5th of our hard-built country to the kekos because "we lose soldiers".

Get a grip bro.

istanbul_since_1453: gercekten deger mi bu boktan topraklar icin?

no offence "dude", but: senin kanini sikim!

istanbul_since_1453: bunun zorlugunu anlamadan ben bir karis toprak vermem demek bence yanlis.



hudut namus, toprak kutsaldir. bilemiyorum, senin verecek birseylerin (baci, vs.) varsa amenna, sana diyecek lafim yok. ancak:

istanbul_since_1453: bunun zorlugunu anlamadan ben bir karis toprak vermem demek bence yanlis.

yanlis olan sana cvp vermekti gerci, ama söylediklerine binaen yapacak baska birsey yoktu, üzerine siddetle sifonu cekmek istemenin disinda.

istanbul_since_1453: bunun zorlugunu anlamadan ben bir karis toprak vermem demek bence yanlis.

bu nasil mantik ya? are u sure that u are "Türk"? katiksiz?! i've got really my doubts, "Türk" kisvesi altinda hain olman pek muhtemel. kaninda Türklük gezen böyle bir cümleyi gercekten kuramaz, kurmayi birak, elleri klavyeye dahi gitmez, gidemez.

to give a proper translation and to keep a long story short i can just say: disgusting traitor!

@corpus

It's not the 1940s yet the middle ages. The US invaded an entire country with 4000 loss and even that was considered too drastic for a country of 300 and something million. While you think it's allright for thousands of Turks to die for absolutely nothing? You think young and poor Turks should die while the government sponsors every fvcken kurdish child birth? Wtf is the point in that? Young Turks die while our parliament is filled with pkk terrorists whom we pay salaries. So why do we risk the life of Turks if the government is going to harbour terrorists in the parliament? Would you want your son to die for no apparent reason?

To compare it with history would be ottoman soldiers dieing while conquering Istanbul while Fatih Sultan Mehmet hands over the governing of Sultanahmet and Sirkeci to Greeks. So there would be no point in sacrificing your life if the governing entity was going to de facto overrule your actions.

If the day comes and all kurdish existence is to be wiped off the lands of Turkey, I'm sure everyone will be ready to die so our kids can have a bright future. But to die "killing terrorists" while our parliament and cities are filled with terrorists is illogical and unfair.

Anyhow we can just disagree.


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@delidoludallama,

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hudut namus, toprak kutsaldir.

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Yuzyil once bizim olan topraklar bugun arap, yunan vs isgali altinda. Hudut namus, toprak kutsal ise o zaman senin namusuna, kutsalina araplar, yunanlar, bulgarlar vs tecavuz ediyor. Git namusunu temizle.

trans: build a bridge and get over yourself.

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I love how the Turko's talk big.. The Kurds are a growing population and the Turko's are a diminishing entity.. By trying to protect the integrity of Turkey's current boarders.. They risk losing the lot.. Not NOW but in 50 years time..

Thank God for Turkish pride and intransience.. It will serve the Kurds well !

^ wouldnt most of the greeks in greece would leave say about 5million of them out of that bankrupt **** howl, and probably most of the 5million would be the majority of immigrants taking over greece.

these "Kekos' as you refer to them are soon gonna be taking over not just the SE of Turkey but much of the hinterland also

looks like they have the backing of the right people and their handlers are gonna reward them well for giving Turkey a b1tch slapping in proxy war

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@istanbul_since_1453: yazdiklarin...

Yuzyil once bizim olan topraklar bugun arap, yunan vs isgali altinda. Hudut namus, toprak kutsal ise o zaman senin namusuna, kutsalina araplar, yunanlar, bulgarlar vs tecavuz ediyor. Git namusunu temizle.

...velevki dogru olsa bile(!) bu senin serefsiz ve haysiyetsizce dilegetirdiklerinin gercegini degistirmez:

istanbul_since_1453: gercekten deger mi bu boktan topraklar icin?

diyorum ya, kaninda bozukluk varsa amenna, aksi takdirde göt vermeye pekte meraklisin.

p.s. eger bir bok varsa oda bu topraklar üzerinde varligini sürdüren sen olabilirsin.

istanbul_since_1453: bunun zorlugunu anlamadan ben bir karis toprak vermem demek bence yanlis.

eger bu yanlis senin dogrunsa bende senin dogrularini sikim.

trans: what a lame excuse - it's even more disgusting than your claims before! hopeless idiot!

@Xtanbul

You really surprised me with your defeatist altitude. The same altitude the liberal-lefties adopt these days: "lets end this meaningless war , don't make the mothers cry, enough of this bloodshed , let them have what they want" etc. Turkiye can only get bigger, NOT smaller after this point. because once we start to cede land soon enough we will become another Yugoslavia, we will be reduced to a tiny state surrounded by enemies. Same thing happened to the Ottoman empire, first Hungary was gone, then croatia, bosnia, romania, rumeli, libya, Egypt, algeria, entire mid east, then we found ourselves with a handful of land around Ankara.
All the blood that is shed for those lands is wort it. Because if we give up those lands we will betray our fathers who gave their lives in Sakarya, Dumlupinar, Canakkale. We would betray all our Sehits who gave their lives in the south east all these years, their death would be meaningless and in vain.

Gercekten beni cok sasirttin, seni ulkudas biri sanardim ben. yaziklar olsun.



PS. We had armenin problem and we solved it when we were at our weakest point. We had Rum problem again we solved it. Do we have an armenain or rum problem today? No we don't. If we act decisively we can always solve our problems, we just need the initiative and willingness to do that.






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"We feed the ME with our water, in 20-30 years time water will be more valuable than petrol in this region."

Now imagine in 30 years the possibility that Kurds will have the water in SE Turkey and oil in Kirkuk :P

Now seriously, sometimes its not about nationalism but its pure pragmatism and realism, Turkey might
realise in the future that its no worth the trouble.

@stanbul_since_1453

iyi ozaman gelen gecene toprak kanla binlerce sehitlerle aldigimiz topraklari oh ne rahat. Yok öyle kolaylik. Okadar kan bosu bosuna dökulmedi teroristlere toprak verelim diye. Biz nasil kanla aldiysak onlarda kan dökmeli. Eger bu yönetim teröru bitirmek icin yeterince gayret gösterseydi ozaman bunca sehit vermezdik. Operasyonlar hep sehit verildikten sonra yapiliyor. Terorist saldirilara baslarsa belliki kuzey iraktaki kamplar bombalanacak, önceden bosaltirlar kamplari bizde her yaptigimiz gibi bos bos bombalariz. Sonuca bakmak lazim.

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Dont learn from your mistakes, learn from others and you will save time

What we hear on streets, TV and even here about current politics of Turkey, dramatic shift of opinions from strict to so called humanist about our borders (Kurdistan), Cyprus (Yes to Annan Plan), Armenia (we are all armenians), Syria (children will die), 301. Item (Freedom of speech), Mr. Ocalan (Democracy), Habur (Human Rights), Istanbul Patriciate (EU membership) etc... is the part of last 10 year's "social engineering" of "so called" unknown powers.

People going like crazy, has no idea what they are gifted, how lucky they are, how its hard to have such a big and beautiful country, how it was hard to found a Republic in the lands of conquered thousand times by many many many civilizations which are lost in history.

Many people cant see the connection, do you?

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People Chill the FUK OUT


no one leaves nothing to anyone ...Turkiye would never ...ever leave any part of her lands ..without a fight ... no one would listen to or wait for a government to do this ... or let them give it away.

on the other hand even kurds from BDP do not have such claims ...they do not ask for land (atleast not any more ) Their demands are different get informed first ...




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Ataturk said:

I don't have only Enemies abroad, my real enemies is in my country, they are dangerous because they are amongst us.

Ataturk was true genius, we first have to solve our internal problems, then no country can do us harm.

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Next week in cinema: Hungry Dancing

From todays news:

Leyla Zana and our PM Erdogan.


Whats the point of sending our children to die if our PM is going to invite terrorists into basbakanlik konutu?

Can someone please explain.





If you want your child to die while terrorists are set free by the government, go ahead.

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@dellidoludallama

You make no sense and you're a hypocrite. Die already.

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PS. We had armenin problem and we solved it when we were at our weakest point. We had Rum problem again we solved it. Do we have an armenain or rum problem today? No we don't. If we act decisively we can always solve our problems, we just need the initiative and willingness to do that.

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How can you compare Young Turks/Kemalists with AKP?

Kemalists never hesitated to fvck the enemy till they all dried up while AKP begs for apologies from the enemy.

Bad comparison.

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2 warnings issued to Xtanbul and 1 issued to DELIDOLUDELIKANLI for untranslated Turkish posts.

FYI people, a paragraph in Turkish and a single line/sentence in English is not a proper translation.

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Who's Chuck Norris?

trans: is it really worth all the deaths we suffer?

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Even thinking this is treason!

Every milimeter of TC will be defended no matter the price we pay and make them pay. Not even 0,00001 milimeter of Turkish soil will be left even if we pay with millions dead.

The most lethal danger is not PKK but people like you, who ask these kind of questions.

So yes it's worth it.

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Not Left
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But Forward
Towards Eternal Turan

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http://youtu.be/MgB_4EcG7f0

Keep the muslim kurds purge the rest. Im sure certain figures guide people to the good path. Alevi inspired PKK bullsh!t should burn and it must. I want more body counts! some even wear christian crosses!



Auf Wiedersehen Deutschland!

Even if many kurdish people support the pkk, 80% of them do not want a seperate nation! Im not basing this on my own opinion but more on survey done among the kurdish population.

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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein

^^^^^^^^^^which servey?how many kurds in the south east will say the oposite than that in public serveys?
in areas where village police and secret services brutaliations who is gonna speak freely?
or did you ask the kurds in konstantinoupoli?which kurds wishs to open conversantions like that in an turkish big city.......
deep inside them most of them want a separate nation from turks,have you see any demonstrations in south east?
especially now where iraqi kurds and soon surian kurds have/start their own state....



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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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xtanbul since 1453 :


**** you traitor we will never leave any inch of land to anyone. let alone pkk. by the way this thread is racist as hell. majority of Kurds like Eddy said, don't want to separate from TC. all surveys show that , just becos there is 20-30% minority among kurds who want seperate does not mean ****. Xtanbul, you are a traitor just like the rest of pkk bastards. after all Kemalists are pkk's closest friends. we now why you support them.

I'm not for seperation but those who attack on xtanbul, if you're so nationalists, go and fight like PKK militants as volunteers. I wonder how many of you internet warriors have done anything for this country.

Anyone who says why we should fight for this shiity lands is an outright traitor. End of story.

ANSWER THIS OR STFU & DON'T BOTHER RESPONDING TO ME.

From this week:

Leyla Zana and our PM Erdogan.


Whats the point of sending our children to die if our PM is going to invite terrorists into basbakanlik konutu?

Can someone explain.

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I'm not for seperation but those who attack on xtanbul, if you're so nationalists, go and fight like PKK militants as volunteers. I wonder how many of you internet warriors have done anything for this country.

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Thank you bro.

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Every milimeter of TC will be defended no matter the price we pay and make them pay.

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Well pkk terrorists are MP's in our parliament and we pay for their salary with our tax money. So be a man and go ahead and defend TC as you claim you would.

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@Xtanbul, bro, in 1919 we also had a traitorous government which signed the treaty of sevres. Did the patriots of those times say "We are governed by traitors so **** this independence, no point in fighting"?

You always seemed to me like a true milliyetci. A milliyetci would never betray the Misak-i Milli. Those "boktan topraklar" you call are part of the Misak-i Milli.






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^^youre right _mt but this time the damat ferids are elected by almost 50% of the population.

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In 1919, at least 90% of Turkish public was behind the Sultan and his government. The Sultan was the shadow of God on earth for the people. And that shadow of God signed the treaty of serves. what shall we do now, give up the SE just because we have a weak government in power?

What would we tell to the mothers of our Sehits? that their sons died in vain?










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We Turks are the most stubborn race on this planet earth, we will never leave a piece of land without a bloody fight. Ask it to yunans, they had to call for their european masters for help in 1827, because we simply would not go anywhere. Without their euro masters (Britain, france, russia) the yunan rebellion was crushed already.
We will never leave a land without a carnage without sacrificing thousands if not millions of lives. For us land is as sacred as it gets, it is our Namus (Honor)!










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BTW this is the Misak-i Milli borders, we have not even fulfilled our mission yet, and some of you already talking about ceding land to kekos.






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@mustafa

first of all you talk about it as if Greeks had a revolution against the Turks.. very incorrect

in the same way Turks revolted against the Ottomans much later, Greeks had a revolution against the Ottomans

now Ottomans were a big mix, some Greek, some Turkish, Albanian, Wlach, Juden, Kurds...

Ottoman empire was a 'cosmopolitan empire' (mulitnational - multicultural)

so actually when Greece declared indipendence from this Multinational Empire she had to fight all these different forces (eg the Albanian Ali Pasha - non-Turk - to take Epirus and yanena)

so eventually.. the Turks had their revolution and carved out their land.. but much much late when the Ottomans were severely weakened... this is when you had your revolution and snatched the ottomans land away from them when they were most weak after taking the pounding that we greeks had given them all those years in the balkan wars etc (dont forget some turks collaborated with greeks in the macedonian wars.. this is a fact... against the ottomans)




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just to drive home this fact of history that you ignore:



the above is a photo of greek irregulars from the second balkan war fighting alongside 'young turks'

owned....

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We always used irregular troops this is nothing new. the rest of the things you said is simply BS.





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those are greek soldiers.... from the second balkan wars, the 'young turks' are helping them

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So what is your point? we were on the same side in second balkan war. (well kind of, we all fought the Bulgarians)





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exactly.... the turks and the ottomans are not the same thing... you had a revolution to get your freedom from the ottoman yoke also

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""...Then we heard of the onward march on Constantinople, of the Army of Liberty, the 3rd Army Corps of Salonica, still faithful to the Committee of Union and Progress. Volunteers were called for, and Armenians, Jews, Greeks, Bulgarians, Koords and Lazes, all flocked to the Turkish standard. For the first time in the history of the world, Christian stood shoulder to shoulder with Moslem in a triumphant onslaught for the recovery of liberty and the reinstatement of the Constitution. Constantinople was besieged. Sultan Hamid 's own guard and the officerless Constantinople Army Corps he had bribed were conquered. Hamid was dethroned and Mohamed V., subordinate to the Constitution and the Committee of Union and Progress, reigned in his stead. "
"Liberty and The Ottoman" by Robert Chambers [1]"

http://www.archive.org/stream/universityoftoro10univuoft#page/14/mode/2up

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stop derailing my topic Albanian boy. I am not gonna sit here and teach you history all over again. I already did that GavurYunanPiçi before. It's simply waste of time.





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looks like I have taught you some of your OWN history today....

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"Mustafa Kemal Atatrk, the founder of modern Turkey (there is an excellent and readable biography by Lord Kinross, was just that the founder of a completely new nation, or one that tried to be completely new rather than the reformer of an old one. Ataturk effectively buried the Ottoman Empire, a multinational empire that embraced many peoples, and replaced it with a single ethnic state."

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/03/18/what-we-can-learn-from-the-decline-of-the-ottoman-empire/

owned...



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kurds will leave turkey ,kurdistan is a reality.......



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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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The Kurds are too numerous and they are backed by the US who wants instability and as many smaller countries as possible as it fits into their policy of 'divide and conquor'. With such a high birth rate and Iraq already carved up and Syria and Iran next on the hit list it is inevitable that a large Kurdish state is on the horizon.

I have to agree with some others in here, is it really worth it? And can you really hold onto to territory inhabited by millions of Kurds. The Turks were silly to support the kosovo Albanians because karma is a real mother f&$@*#.