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Greek Reality check needed

July 5 2012 at 9:58 PM
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Many of you are idiots you are psissed of at the Germans for feeding our money habit?? What choice does Greece have now? She is broke. Broken by her politicians and people you got used to the Pasok handouts. Syntaxi for everyone! including all the antartes, etc. Nationalization of everything so they can place there supporters for votes.ND did same to not as great. All foreign factories left because of the cooock sucker ergatopateris. striking. so nationalize it put more government workers in. More votes, more expenses. Answer get cheap euro loans to pay. ek economy became a societ sytle economy Hallow.Greek workers got lazy liked the good life the Euro could by. I heard so many times Zoume yia to Semera. Live for today phuck tomorrow. Well tomorrow came and Phucked you in the ***. Greece took 4 Euro paketa what did they do with them? Borrowed 500 Billion? what did you do with it? Eat it and have a good time instead of invest.It's no ones fault but our own. First we need to admit it. We have become a A lazy non patriotic society!! No PAtriotismo. You were called a fascist if you were patriotic. Bu that is what the globalist leftists do.Destroy the education system first patriotism etc.

The ******** that Syriza says is just that. He is a Globalist communist study him well. He never worked. Daddy's rich boy. Like most greek Politicaians only he is a commie revolutionary. He went to Germany what did he do??? Look up all the east German Stasi connections?? Insult veryone?? What will he do natioanlize everything?? It was already done. That is what wrecked Greece you dum PHUCKS! Go to drachma. Guess he will print money? Toilet paper will b worth more? Where will he get money? From Iran? Yugo Chavez?? Wake UP. I think. He needs to win so Greece will totally become Zimbabwee and go down the toilet so Greeks finally get Give up the left. But we may lose some territory in the process.

 
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July 5 2012, 10:00 PM 

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July 5 2012, 10:03 PM 

Asso,


I agree 100% with what you're saying and have been labelled as a "traitor" for saying what everyone knows is true, but no one will admit.

The first step in addressing a problem is admitting you have a problem. Everyday in the news we hear of people being sent to jail because of tax evasion. No, I'm not talking about politicians, but regular people.







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July 5 2012, 10:08 PM 

People are sent to jail in Greece for something that 99.999% of the Griks do like an instinct? That's so ruthless.

Have Karamanlis, Venizelos, Papandreou, etc. been sent to jail yet for screwing the country over so many times for so many years? Or unlike the common Grik they get a free pass?

 



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July 5 2012, 10:43 PM 

I can see you're champing at the bit Kalli.. fine, I'll bite..

The US sub prime mortgage meltdown.. you heard of it?

Tell me sport.. who do you blame.. the people that borrowed.. or the banks and their bad lending practices?

...and also.. if you feel like a traitor.. it's only because you made statements like "Greeks are useless and should starve"

 




 
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July 5 2012, 11:16 PM 

"The US sub prime mortgage meltdown.. you heard of it?
Tell me sport.. who do you blame.. the people that borrowed.. or the banks and their bad lending practices?
...and also.. if you feel like a traitor.. it's only because you made statements like "Greeks are useless and should starve"

The US sub prime mortgage meltdown was a result of the liberal policies of the Clinton administration which had this notion that everyone should be entitled to own a home. It was under Clinton that the rules for obtaining a home loan were relaxed so that even people who should have never qualified received a loan.

Once the rules were relaxed all parties shared blame. The banks and mortgage brokers who used people to make a quick buck and also people who did not have the incomes or pre-requisites to own a home. It always takes two to tango...

But you are wrong to bring it up because the USA is not Greece is any regard. In the case of the US recession of 08' it was the banks and the big proprietary trading firms that threatened to bring down the country because of risky bets that had placed with credit default swaps and the subprime mortgage lending business. There was simply too much toxic debt floating around.

In the case of Greece though it wasn't the Greek banks who threatened to pull down the entire country into a recession, but it was Greece itself (ie. the country) who threatened to bankrupt the banks through decades of borrowing and spending money like drunken sailors and all with nothing to show for it.

Which is why today Ireland announced that is has access to the bond markets once again, while Greece being well...Greece is an economic basket case of Herculean proportions.

The still stand by my statement. Greeks should suffer the consequences on their actions. Just like the Germans suffered for voting in Hitler, Greeks should also suffer for voting in 30 years of PASOK socialism and bureaucracy.










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July 6 2012, 12:40 AM 

See this is what i don't understand about people like You and Assos.. you'll condemn Greeks because of the ineptitude of the Greek political system.. YET won't apply the same criteria to the USA..

Surely you see the similarities in the sub-prime fiasco and the national debt problem in Greece.. the fall guy is the average citizen.. most aren't like you and me.. they are weak and the fact that they have been taken advantage of by bankers and politicians shouldn't mean that they should be the fall guys for all the ills..

...a flawed political system in Greece, caused the state to be dysfunctional and NOT the people that voted for it.. doubt me? So why didn't the election ballot say.. vote good governance 1.. or vote Bad government 2 ? 

So the government and the bankers in the USA can wear the losses BUT not in Greece, the blame, according to you and Assos, must rest on the people.. where is the logic Kalli? YET in the USA the debt problem rests with "Clinton"  you're not serious are you? ..hasn't the USA lived beyond it's means.. Bloated military.. fighting two wars.. a destroyed health system.. social problems.. but you and Assos keep looking the other way..

But just to show you that I'm fair.. I'll concede, that Greece is to blame for not reforming and living beyond it's means.. BUT the EU should shoulder some blame for not being vigilant on the euro.. and not just Greece but Spain Italy, France.. etc etc.. how about the bankers.. for lending beyond their means.. shouldn't they share some of the blame? OR the politicians in europe, that decided to make an example of Greece..

Merkel, and her policy's if implemented will make Greece a better place in 10 to 20 years.. but, it's a long time to wait.. and the people will suffer because of the actions and deception of a few..that's why i say default and implement ALL the reforms and start anew..

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July 6 2012, 8:42 AM 

"Have Karamanlis, Venizelos, Papandreou, etc. been sent to jail yet for screwing the country over so many times for so many years? Or unlike the common Grik they get a free pass?"

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Funny isn't it.. the common folk get blamed and demonised for a mess that the politicians and bankers are responsible for.. and Europe and the IMF continue to tell Greece, that they should elect and support these very same criminals that messed up.. 

Somethings just not right!



 
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July 6 2012, 10:15 PM 

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The US/International banks (Banks hav no nation) were greedy not the the American people who worked hard borrowed paid their taxes and got PHUCKED.Millions lost their homes. Values plummeted People areliving on credit and can't pay. Obama is helping to Phuck the US by sending. He is the American Andreas Papandreou. Socialist globalist.But dont forget the US is an entire continent, has industry and mineral wealth and oiul and can eventually get out of mess. Greece?? The Greek banks were not all to balme. Greek goverment policies such as agrotiki bank which lent money for votes, as a whole it was not Greek banks that failed Greece. It was Greeks living beyonf their means and politicians who developed and encouraged the paternalistic political system.The Psefto Socialist kultura that made nationalism almost dead also killed Greece. Greeks need to go back to their heritage. Thin nationalistic during hard times. Let's face it the average Greeks dream was to become a public employee. Not an independent business man or work in private sector. Ask yourself why?? We phucked ourselves,corruption, Greed, living beyond our means and some lazyness, not all. As for Germans they fed our habit but the were thinking as Germans most of them that we would be responsible and use the money wisely. Yes there was corruption Siemans and much much more. But now more is needed. Laws must change, Greece must open to investment. We must pump our oil and make wise alliances to do this.USA Jew companise were the Turds would never dare to do anything.The old bullcrap is dead or Greece is dead. Turds should not gloat. Arab money is helping Turdgay, Arabs want a strong sunni Army to counter Iran and eventually the West. Erdogan managed to sell MOSLEM UMMA and brotherhood to the Arabs, He will Phuck them in the long run and Turdgay will own them. But that ius a bit in future.

 
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July 6 2012, 10:54 PM 

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July 6 2012, 11:22 PM 

I won't deny for second Assos, that Greece is NOT a economic basket case, and the USA is better off.. but I won't agree that the common people are to blame for the state of Greece.. 

First off.. The politicians are to blame for taking Greece into the euro to start off.. They just wanted to access cheap loans and fight inflation without having to make hard and honest reforms..

Second.. Europe, for allowing Greece in.. Last night, I meet a mining executive.. And we had the same talk.. He said the exact same thing.. That the euro was a lopsided union that favoured the highly industrialised and fiscally responsible.. And that Greece should leave.. And have its own currency to help with competivness.. You see Assos, you and Kalli want to point the finger and say that the average Greek fvcked up the economy BUT fail to mention the short comming of those that are in government now  and are continuing with the catastrophe that is this austerity bailout program and the euro..

Thirdly.. People go where they are lead.. If Greece had proper politicians and public servants.. We wouldn't be in this mess.. 

You people keep talking about how great the USA and it's economy is.. is it better than Greece.. YES, but don't forget, if the USA was in the euro you to would be under austerity measures and suffering a crippling recession..

The USA is printing it's way outta recession.. Without reigning in the budget deficit.. And that's why Greece should leave the euro and suspend ALL debt repayments until it can make the necessary reforms.. We don't have this option because the politicians in Greece have decided that punishing the people to keep the bankers and Germans happy and in control of Greece by enslaving us to the euro that they will always control and manipulate to favour them..

Leaving the euro.. seems to be the only way that Greece can be competitive again.. The euro has killed off industry in Greece.. And is killing Greece itself.. But it seems to be very fashionable for Americans and northern Europeans to talk about and insist on "austerity" for Greece but NOT partake from the same chalice.. and instead tell us it's our birth right to become to waiters and barkeeps to the world..

The only and real solution for Greece is a combination of austerity and leaving the euro while suspending all debt payments untill the situation has stabilized.. The euro is NOT for us Assos.. Nor these political phuck ups that have sold us all down the drain..



 
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July 7 2012, 7:47 PM 

I never said the euro is for greece. But you can't leave without having something to back your currency. I blame the average Greek for voting in Pasok and liking the ledtist freebies thay got hooked on. They became Junkies. I spoke to many freinds when in Greece and told them you can't continue at this pace.They said we live for today. Well you got phucked tomorrow. You are a factory worker and want a Benz.But Free this and that, syntxi at 55,sounded great. Who pays at the end. The left destroyed Greek nationalism. And ND is also to blame for continuing and not speaking up. My questions is the leftist socialist policies caused all this and the Greeks want more of the left withj TSIPRAS?? Who will help us IRAN, Venezuela? The US is phucked to. People are speaking out at the handouts and spendinf Niggas get. I pay 20K in Tax. Most Greek unless they had tax deducted automatically paid nothing or very little. No one wanted to pay. Well guess what Property taxes in Greece now well they have been in states forever. I do admit it came to sudden not gradual. Corruption rules. Greece needs a Metaxas!

 
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July 7 2012, 8:27 PM 

Assos,

I total agree with you.

And the facked up unions scare away any foreign investors. Their never ending strikes and communist demands has erased any credibility the country has left. It is hard to run a company in Greece, and impossible to run a partly or former state-owned one, you can not lay off workers etc.

Better to burn out than fade away!

 
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July 7 2012, 11:26 PM 

You have to give credit to Vara for being a true "people's troll." The guy really tries hard not to let anyone put the slightest blame on the Griks themselves.

Apperantly it was just a handful of bankers and policians (that the Griks continuously elected to power) who came and fvcked Greece overnight and then left her in the morning all wasted without even paying for its services. He really makes an interesting case. happy.gif

 

 



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July 8 2012, 1:28 AM 

^^^

Just trying to educate you ignoramus.. happy.gif

...it's a thankless task, that's not likely to win me any popularity contests anytime soon here on WAFF.. Yet I still feel compelled, to point out that financial mismanagement is NOT a genetic default.. Like you and others seem to believe.. Blaming the DNA of an entire nation of 11 million people is the only trolling that goes on in any post that I participate in..

Of course, unlike you Turk.. and your obvious agenda in bashing all things Greek and causing decent among us.. I'd like to be logical about the whole thing and point my finger at those that seem to have "mysteriously" prospered at the demise of an entire nation.. The Greek politicians that ran the country like their own little kingdom getting rich and the bankers that signed off on loans that were falsified Making BIG commissions and interest profits.. and the nations that have called us friend.. while running HUGE trade surplus's while pretending to help YET doing so in a callous manner while our people suffer.. While Europe supports the very same people that created this mess to pass reforms that have been neglected for the past 30 years.. And until the pressure was on their own economies, they were content to just continue to keep us enslaved using the euro and our crooked politicians..

But let's pass all these reforms overnight NOW.. Regardless of the pain and misery.. And if anyone raises a voice to complain about the Nepotism or the cronyism or the fact that even after 5 years of recession they still cant move the country forward, they're labelled a troll.. So be it! wink.gif


 
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