Mustafa wrote...
Genocide is one thing removing/deporting a treacherous population is another thing. The armenians were fighting on the Russian side invading eastern Anatolia. They were on the enemy side. The problem with you armenians is that you want to link your so called tragedy with the Holocaust. The Jews of Germany did not betray Germany , they were killed cos germans were a bunch of nazis , they were killed cos simply they were jews. The armenains of Ottoman empire were removed cos they were traitors. Traitors are never treated well in these lands. They got what they deserved.,/U. Had we not removed them , we would have another balkan tragedy on our hands. The Turks in eastern Anatolia would have been exterminated. Talat Pasha took the initiative and acted accordingly that is why his service should never be forgotten. He is our hero.

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RUBBISH!! It is a GROSS DECEPTION to say the Armenians "were on the enemy side". Ask any military historian and they will tell you that there were Armenians in the Ottoman army proper but the vast majority of Armenians were drafted into the labour battalions.

Some questions for the Turks............

How many Armenian soldiers survived the war ? Of the ones that did not survive, how/when/where did they die ?

After the war, what were the movements of the surviving Armenians soldiers ? Did they go back to their villages or emigrate ?

So what happened to these loyal Armenian soldiers ?

These hangings were done with the exact same reason why in France for example traitors were hanged. This hanging of Armenians murderers, bandits and rapists was fully within international law and some poor Armenian air heads want to use this as propaganda. You can jump down and low but you will never prove something happened like a genocide like that happened to the Jews. Jews were respectable, honest people with dignity.

Armenians that were loyal served in Turkish army. I personally know a lot of loyal Armenians in my personal life and on television.

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hiddenwolf, you have avoided the central question of this thread.

You say the traitors were executed. I am asking what was the fate of the Armenians who were not traitors.

In particular, I am asking what happened to those Armenians in the Ottoman army,

So what happened to these loyal Armenian soldiers ?
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They were not professional soldiers, they were conscripts and mostly reserve officers. So they served and turned to civil life. After revolts, armenian soldiers whose duties on front lines were sent to other parts or simply discharged. But for ex. Jamal Pasha in southern front rejected to sent his armenian officers back. He wanted they assist to coming armenians to settle in syria. BTW, forced migration was only effective for the armenians on the eastern half of Turkey. The others in west remained as before.

btw, how ignorant and full of hatred those armenians are. Jamal Pasha was the most armenian-friendly pasha of those times. He saved a lot of those ungratefuls, shared his army supplies with them, even he hanged a lot of local tribal leaders who raided to newly settled armenians on their soils. Once he saw a very expensive watch on an escorting soldier to migrated armenians, he understand that he sacked these ppl and he just shot him there. and guess what happened to him? later, in his retirement, an armenian assassinated him in Tbilisi.


Georgians erected a memorial for Jamal Pasha in Tbilisi

Talatpasha, after the war ended in 1918..........

How many Armenians conscripts were discharged ? There must have been a few hundred thousands of them.

Did they go back to their villages and farms or did they emigrate ?

What did they do when they found out their wives and children perished in the Syrian desert ?

There must have been a few hundred thousands of them.
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Armenians were not subject to basic conscription , only those who had higher education like doctors, engineers etc.. needed and served as reserve officers. So they were a few and mostly from istanbul, izmir and western cities. Since those who lived in east had poorly access for higher education.

Talatpasha, you can't be right. The call up age was very wide 18-60. This is no secret.

BTW, I just found that Jamal Pasha in some point related with indian revolt against brits. So I am sure Brits were the behind of his assassination, they just used an idiot armenian.

Talatpasha, you can't be right. The call up age was very wide 18-60. This is no secret.
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Just figure out the numbers of ppl who had universite degree as doctor or engineer in 1910s. Not even 1/1000 of eligible ppl .

"Armenian men between the ages of 20 and 45 were conscripted into the army, and a few months later men 45-60 were put to work in army labor battalions."
Ottoman Fall and Turkey 1908-1950 by Sanderson Beck.


"As a result nearly all able-bodied Armenian men were conscripted into the Ottoman army, starting with the 20-45 age group and subsequently extending the call to groups aged 18-20 and 45-60"
America and the Armenian Genocide of 1915 by J. M. Winter.


"Whatever the number, it was dwarfed by the 200000+ Armenians conscripted into the Turkish forces, few of whom deserted"
The Dark Side of Democracy: Explaining Ethnic Cleansing by Michael Mann.

There was an incident; under the leadership of the Erzurum Deputy , Garo Pasdermichan almost all the Armenian troops and officers of the 3.Army deserted to the Russians Caucasus Army that consist of mostly armenian volunteers with russian officers and than they committed some massacres on turkish villages just after their desertion.
Following the incident, Armenian soldiers who still remained in the army (probably because they had been unable to escape) were immediately disarmed and sent to forced labor sites. Only doctors and engineers were exempted (though they were badly needed). Also conscription of armenians was halted.

But what happened to the rest of the Armenian draftees ? There were a lot of them.

The draft was there to call up every able bodied Armenian man to defend the Ottoman Empire, but in reality it was to massacre them, leaving the women, children, and elderly at the hands of the Turkish soldiers and Kurdish clans who would later make them march into the deserts and die.

Armenian, how many men were drafted ?

and how many men were discharged ?

During World war 1, no armenian served in the Ottoman army. Those "soldiers" you are talking about were mainly in Amele Tamburu (workforce battalions). The greeks are also familiar with that term "amele tamburu", especially those from pontus region.









Majority of amrneian men fought under Russian empire invading eastern Anatolia. No one - even armenians - can deny that. You reap what you sow. simply as that.





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Mustafa, so you say the majority under the Russian empire.


So how many Armenian men were drafted into the Ottoman army and work battalions ?

And how many survived to be discharged in 1918 ?

Did they go back to their villages and farms or did they emigrate ?

What did they do when they found out their wives and children perished in the Syrian desert ?

How could I know? most of them in amele tamburu defected anyway and joined the Russians.

what are you trying to prove here?




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Mustafa, it appears the Turkish leaders murdered the loyal Armenians too.

If that is not true then where are they ? Where did they go after the war ?