It is interesting to note that if you observe Kemalist Turks they generally follow a Hellenic lifestyle while Islamist Turks identify and attempt to lead more of an Arap/Middle Eastern lifestyle.

This is the reality of today. Ironically, in the past it was the Islamist (Ottomans) who were the Hellenic azz kisses since it is well know that in the Ottoman Empire the Greeks ran the show in the administration, business, and trade, while the laik Turks (future Kemalists) were basically looked down upon with contempt as hamals, tsoglan, peasants, dumb, and uneducated. The word "Turk" in the Ottoman Empire was a curse word with negative connotations akin to calling someone today "wetback", "peasant", "villager", "nigga" etc.

When leader of the Turkish faction Kemal revolted against the leader of the Osman faction (Sultan) there was a civil war and the Turkish faction came into power. This has changed as the Osman factions in Turkey have been gaining ground steadily.

Discuss...





Hellas, Hellas, n tav n epi tas

Well its not surprising that millions of griks are hooked on Turkish TV series, they want to see how their Turkish ancestors live. After all griks are baptized Turks.

You kallipiços look like the typical arap you would come across in Egypt. Ive seen you pics lmao, trying to pass as an italian.

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No matter the era, whichever the society, people always gaze at the stars when young. Then they stretch out their hands and try to catch them. And then one day, they realize their arms are not long enough to catch the stars, and thats when they grow up.

In Kemalist Hellenic loving Izmir Turks are eating meze and sipping raki...while in another Turkish city Turks avoid raki like the plague and their women wear burkas and dress like Arabs.

It is evident there are two different visions of what Turkey should be.





Hellas, Hellas, n tav n epi tas

Looks like the richer educated griks are flocking to Turkey, finally Turkish TV series brought some sense to them

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No matter the era, whichever the society, people always gaze at the stars when young. Then they stretch out their hands and try to catch them. And then one day, they realize their arms are not long enough to catch the stars, and thats when they grow up.

@KAllimachos

my prediction is as per the prophecies of Paisios and St Kosmas that the '1/3 of turks who will be baptized' will be the kemalists who will be flocking to greece from the civil war in turkey vs islamists and kurds

a proprortion of both islamists and kurds will go to the red apple (1/3 of the total population) whereas another proportion will perish

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"It is interesting to note that if you observe Kemalist Turks they generally follow a Hellenic lifestyle while Islamist Turks identify and attempt to lead more of an Arap/Middle Eastern lifestyle."

...and it's also interesting.. that our "Hellenic Kemalist Brothers" have been at the forefront of ALL provocation between our two country's.. while the so called "Arabs" have been building bridges.. an amazing paradox, wouldn't you say Kalli?

@Rom

I agree since it is well known that most Kemalists are Euro converts whose descendants had converted to Islam for financial purposes. In fact, the truth is that most Kemalists hate and despise Islam as nothing more than an Arab desert cult religion. Kemalists seek to abolish Islam entirely from Turkey under the name of "secularism".

This is why the vast majority of Kemalists are hard core republican secularists or outright atheists. I'd venture to say that most Kemalist EuroTurks would prefer becoming Greek than to see their country become a Muslim theocracy with Sharia law and Araps walking around.







Hellas, Hellas, n tav n epi tas

me was joking

Finally.. we agree on something TurkDude..

"...and it's also interesting.. that our "Hellenic Kemalist Brothers" have been at the forefront of ALL provocation between our two country's.. while the so called "Arabs" have been building bridges.. an amazing paradox, wouldn't you say Kalli?"


No, not really. The truth is that without an external enemy like Greece Turkey will collapse. What you guys keep forgetting is that "Turkey" is an artificial entity in many ways. It is composed of different nations which speak different languages and have different religions with mixed backgrounds.

If you remove the external enemy (ex. Greece), then you see that the Turks go back to fighting in their respective factions Osmanli faction vs. Kemal faction.






Hellas, Hellas, n tav n epi tas

No, not really. The truth is that without an external enemy like Greece Turkey will collapse. What you guys keep forgetting is that "Turkey" is an artificial entity in many ways. It is composed of different nations which speak different languages and have different religions with mixed backgrounds.

If you remove the external enemy (ex. Greece), then you see that the Turks go back to fighting in their respective factions Osmanli faction vs. Kemal faction.

...to a point.. you are correct.. but i fail to see how we could possibly call the followers of the Kemalist ideology, our Friends.. or worse still, think that we are similar in any way other than our love of Ouzo and meze.. they are a blight on Hellenism and i for one thank the Islamists and their diligent and methodical methods in removing these animals..

Varangian,


Take MT for example. He belongs to the Kemalist faction. He drinks alchohol, doesn't pray, and he clearly stated to me in the chat room that he despises Islamists and the bedouin religion. These are his own words.

Now if you observe MT carefully you will notice that if he's not trying to "defend" Turkey in WAFF against the evil Greeks he get's bored. So what does he do? He starts threads displaying his vitriolic hatred of the Islamists.

In fact, I would venture to say he hates Islamists 100 times more than Greeks with whom he would probably be drinking raki and eating meze with.





Hellas, Hellas, n tav n epi tas

In fact, I would venture to say he hates Islamists 100 times more than Greeks with whom he would probably be drinking raki and eating meze with.

...i don't disagree with the premise of your argument.. but the simple fact remains.. who would you want as a neighbour.. the Gavur hating Turks close to the USA and Israel.. OR a Arab Turkish government sympathetic to us and close to Wahhabism..

me was joking

...and there's your answer bro.. the Kemalist should be hunted down and destroyed and we as responsible Greeks, should help our "Arab" brothers achieve this..  if the Islamists wanna live in the Ottoman dream.. so be it..

This is true, but it was Kemal who closed down Agia Sophia from being a mosque. He didn't step on the Greek flag in Smyrna. He became friends with Venizelos. Plus he did a peaceful population exchange.

Kemalists love Greeks deep down inside. Our websites are full of kemalist women looking for Greek husbands. They prefer Greeks instead of marrying Arap Turk





Hellas, Hellas, n tav n epi tas

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@Kalli

some of these guys are the Hellenes who's accountants told them: convert to Islam you will get a tax break from the Sultan which means you can buy that Yali in Constantinople as you always wanted...

so basically when the tides Turn, they will see the opportunity to convert back to Christianity (Especially when the russian black sea fleet will be docked in the Dardanelles)

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some Turks are 'closet' philhellenes who just doesnt want to admit it.. they are too embarassed that theirpeer group will make fun of them, so they make a point of acting all macho and anti-greek... LOL.. funny behvaiour really..

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The Kemalists are gays like their leader Kemal Atagay...
Relations were much better with the Ottoman Empire than with Turkey.

Erdogan FTW!

the reason relations are not good with kemalists can be explained in simple Freudian terms...

basically we remind the Kemalists of who they really are (former Greeks)

this leads to their personality split

so as long as we exist.. we remind them that they are living a double life

they can only rest when they destroy us

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me was joking



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I will tell you what a Kemalist is. A Kemalist doesnt tolerate another opinions. If necessary they doesnt hold back for killing and imprison their own people. Most of them share a Facist/military mentality...They are bunch of people which f@cked the country up for so many unnecessary reasons. They try to impose their way of life to dissidents. Democracy is for them only a word. Democracy is for them Democracy as long as it doesnt cross their own interests. They are such primitive bastards, that they hate their own people, because they dont believe in a tin god...Tolerance is non-existent by those bastards. Mt is only a prime example that shows, what a sick bastard he is.

Mt trying to take a chit!

@Tangot

I tell you what fckface; I hate the ****** kurds more than I can ever hate yunans. sorry to disappoint you subhuman dog, but I just dont like you scum. dont take it personal ok.




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Turks are an inferior race. World's history proves that. There is really no need to discuss these b@llshit again since it is so obvious.

If Turks have achieved something is only because they understood that fact (it's not difficult even for a monkey to understand that someone dressed in rat's clothing is far inferior to someone dressed in silk and gold) and tried to mix with superior races like the Greeks to improve their level. But their DNA remains primitive.

So there is no reason for any Greek to seek any relation with Turks apart from all actions necessary to disinfect the planet from them.

It is incredible to see the mental status of some of the Greeks on this forum

What you call Kemalist (which actually doesnt even exist in Turkish but its rather ATATURKCU...more like ATATURKIST)

We are all in favour of technological and industrial advancement's ...WHICH NONE ARE FROM GREECE ...there is not a single point that we share similar to Greeks ...You people are lazy ...and actually share the same ideology system with a Akp minded Arabs ...

How am i going to back this up?

Simple ...

In Melbourne ...Turks open up a Kebab shop right next to a Bar to sell Oily kebabs to Drunk Aussie's ...these are Akp minded turks with no life purpose but rather in pursue of money...

Same story with Souvlaki shops ...

I am not saying all the greeks share the same idea's ...but rather the religious but jobs like ...Romulus and Kalli .... that believe in a old mans crazy Murmur's ...

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basically the Greeks who converted to Islam are now Kemalists, the Arabs who became Turks are now AKP supporters

I don't know what happened to the original Turks/Kazars/Huns etc I can't explain this phenomenon , maybe they are all in Azerbaijan or something

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Hey Bitch! Im not a Kurd and btw. a i give a f@cking chit about a lowlife like you! Now go and f@ck yourself!

"and actually share the same ideology system with a Akp minded Arabs ... "

Haha look at this stinky liying Kemalist Fag! In the last ten years Turkey has grown econimically so much more compared to the last 70 years! And you Faggot compares 55% of Turkey with those Grikos? Kemalist f@cks, eats, drinks and chit like the lazy Grikos! But thanks to God its only a lil minority...Btw. most of those Picos are living in the Aegean Coast. What an irony! lol

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Lets all thank Tango for providing the evidence to my claims ...

as you can see ...reading Tango's post is as same as reading Kalli or Nikephoro's post ...Stupefied and senseless .



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In 1920's while the Kemalists were phucking the greeks and therir allies, yobaz pigs were licking the english and greek dick.