I think the Orthodox and Catholic church's should perform an exorcism in Turkey.. For the devil and his children still walk with earthly feet in Anatolia..
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Okey, if that is the case, give back Turkish land in Greece. There are a lot of Turks from Greece. Give back Salonica and big part of Thrace to Turkey and we will talk further.
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Gayreeks when are you going to acknowledge and appologize for genociding the Troyans (our Anatolian brothers)?
What we did to you was a revenge for the genocide of Troyans.
Revenge non-stop 1071-1974.
We are the avengers of the noble Troyans!
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Since when are Trojans Greeks? LOL, Trojans were related to hitittie people. Those are all Anatolian people. Greeks were our enemy.
Since when are Ancient Greeks and today Greeks the same? Where are your sources? Today Greeks look like Arabs, they have nothing to do with Ancient Greek physically or mentally you poor bastard.
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if you read homer the primary source of the trojan war and info on trojan you will see that he considers them greeks, they speak greek have greek gods etc
so be quiet if you dont know your topic
for example (so as to quickly own you and finish this)
"Paris (Ancient Greek: ; also known as Alexander or Alexandros, c.f. Alaksandu of Wilusa), the son of Priam, king of Troy, appears in a number of Greek legends. Probably the best-known was his elopement with Helen, queen of Sparta, this being one of the immediate causes of the Trojan War. Later in the war, he fatally wounds Achilles in the heel with an arrow, as foretold by Achilles's mother, Thetis."
I proved that Armenian genocide was a lie. The same can be applied to additional lies of opportunist Greeks.
Unfortunately we are surrounded by such a vile nations that who don't even bother to claim people who they killed were their own loss just to request money. That's something like a whore who slanders a man of rape when she can't get enough money.
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What you say the whole world is just Europe and where a significant Armenian population live. So tell us, Varo. If 1,800,000 Armenians were killed, although there were 1,250,000 Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, so where did those millions of Armenians in the western countries come from?
Don't worry, Varo. We don't expect you to be true men.
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The whole of the world has acknowledged the barbaric excesses of the brutish Turkish nation.. BUT not Toros.. he's already "proved" it's a lie..
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Whole world your vagina! 30 or so countries have acknowledged the so called "genocide" (the number is not important).
The armenyans have managed to deceive these countries because we have underrated their propaganda machine. Orthodogs are generally very good at playing victims, playing the innocent and deceiving. They and juice are masters of lies and deception. Turkey has only recently started it's own lobbying seriously. And we'll continue with it, copy the liers and deceivers and master it eventually while armenyans keep on flooding our borders so they can work in our kitches and toilets.
Moreover, genocide in human history is the rule not the exception. This also includes the history of Greekistan. But gayreeks (like all orthodogs) are too hypocritical, self-righteous and morally bankrupt to see that. Their whole identity is based on demonizing Turks and taking on themselves the victim role. This helps them to forget what kind of a failed, loser nation they are.
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here are some newpsaper articles as primary sources that you can find if you take yourself over to the relevant state archives in USA smarta$$:
Assyrians Burned in Church, Lowell Sun (Massachusetts), 1915
Assyrians Massacred in Urmia, San Antonio Light (Texas), 1915
Assyrians Massacred in Urmiah, Salt Lake Tribune (Utah), 1915
Chaldean Victims of the Turks, The Times (United Kingdom), 22 November 1919, p 11
Christian Massacres in Urmiah, The Argus (Australia), 1915
Extermination of the Armenian Race, The Manchester Guardian (United Kingdom), 1915
Many Assyrian Perish, Winnipeg Free Press (Canada), 1915
Massacred by Kurds; Christians Unable to Flee from Urmia Put to Death, Washington Post, 14 March 1915, p10
Massacres of Nestorians in Urmia, The New York Times (New York), 1915
Massacres Kept Up, The Washington Post (USA), 26 March 1915, 1.
Native Christians Massacred; Frightful Atrocities in Persia, Los Angeles Times, 2 April 1915, p I-1
Nestorian Christians Flee Urmia, The New York Times (New York), 1915
Syrian Tells of Atrocities, Los Angeles Times (California), Dec. 15, 1918, at I1.
The Assyrian Massacres, Manchester Guardian (United Kingdom), Dec. 5, 1918, at 4
The Suffering Serbs and Armenians, The Manchester Guardian (United Kingdom), 1915, p5
Turkish Horrors in Persia, The New York Times (New York), 11 October 1915
Turks Kill Christians in Assyria, Muscatine Journal (Iowa), 1915
Turkish Troops Massacring Assyrians, Newark Advocate (New Jersey), 1915
Turkish Horrors in Persia, The New York Times (New York), 1915
The Total of Armenian and Syrian Dead, Current History: A Monthly Magazine of the New York Times, November 1916, 33738
some on armenian one also
WHOLE PLAIN STREWN BY ARMENIAN BODIES
Turks and Kurds Reported to Have Massacred Men, Women and Children. (NYT- 1915/3/20)
APPEAL TO TURKEY TO STOP MASSACRES
Ambassador Morgenthau Instructed to Make Representation on Request of Russia. (NYT- 1915/4/28)
MORGENTHAU INTERCEDES
Reports Great Uneasiness Over Treatment of Armenians. (NYT- 1915/4/29)
6,000 ARMENIANS KILLED
Turkish and Kurdish Atrocities at Van Rival Those of 1895. (NYT- 1915/5/18)
ALLIES TO PUNISH TURKS WHO MURDER
Notify Porte That Government Heads Must Answer for Armenian Massacres. (NYT- 1915/5/24)
TURKS ARE EVICTING NATIVE CHRISTIANS
Greeks and Armenians Driven From Homes and Converted by Sword, Assert Americans. (NYT- 1915/7/12)
WHOLESALE MASSACRES OF ARMENIANS BY TURKS
Lord Crewe Denounces Influence of the Germans as an "Unmitigated Curse". (NYT- 1915/7/29)
REPORT TURKS SHOT WOMEN AND CHILDREN
Nine Thousand Armenians Massacred and Thrown Into Tigris, Socialist Committee Hears. (NYT- 1915/8/4)
ARMENIAN HORRORS GROW
Massacres Greater Than Under Abdul Hamid, London Paper Says. (NYT- 1915/8/6)
ARMENIANS ARE SENT TO PERISH IN DESERT
Turks Accused of Plan to Exterminate Whole Population--People of Karahissar Massacred. (NYT- 1915/8/18)
BURN 1,000 ARMENIANS
Turks Lock Them In a Wooden Building and Then Apply the Torch. (NYT- 1915/8/20)
ARMENIANS DYING IN PRISON CAMPS
Hundreds of Thousands Still in Danger from Turks, Refugees Fund Secretary Says. (NYT- 1915/8/21)
TURKS DEPOPULATE TOWNS OF ARMENIA
Traveler Reports Christians of Great Territory Have Been Driven From Homes - 600,000 STARVING ON ROAD... (NYT- 1915/8/27)
TURKS MASSACRE ARMENIANS OF ISMID
Burn the Asia Minor Port, only 56 Miles from Constantinople. (NYT- 1915/9/3)
1,500,000 ARMENIANS STARVE
Relief Committee Asks Aid for Victims of Turkish Decrees. (NYT- 1915/9/5)
AN AUTOCRATIC TRIUMVIRATE
According to this information, Turkish affairs are under the control of a triumvirate with autocratic powers. (NYT- 1915/9/14)
ANSWER MORGENTHAU BY HANGING ARMENIANS
He Protests Against the War of Extermination Now in Progress. (NYT- 1915/9/16)
MISSION TOLD OF TURKISH HORRORS
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2.9 million makes nearly 1/5 of the population of Anatolia at that time, and it's quite impossible to exterminate these people in only a few years without concentration camps, efficent killing methods(which nazis used) etc...
Please explain how you came to determine that only "300000" Armenians died Toros, when the established UNDISPUTED figure.. by none other than the International Association of Genocide Scholars sets a conservative figure of 1.5 million?
Rejecting the genocides commited by turkish ancestors makes you no better then Hitler and Nazi Germany.
I hoped some turks could be more open minded and not reject facts and history.
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July 14 2012, 9:10 AM
1.5 million dead people are very exaggerating back then their was 1.5 million armenians in total of the ottoman empiring living their. If this was true with this some kind of so called genocide, the information would not be released so easly. even for the greek one is bs, if what you guys say is true then why the fu[k are you guys still online.
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...you Turko's took great pride in the state sponsored killing of Christian women and children in the name of nationalism.. And after nearly 100 years.. Their vile offspring, continue to spew support and justify the genocide.. YET unlike their disgusting ancestors.. They lack the strength to wipe out the Kurd in a similar fashion... Instead, these pimple faced Turkish keyboard warriors, harp upon the evil deeds of the past while karma takes care of the future..
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July 14 2012, 12:06 PM
you stfu you vaginaface didn't i tell u too not too take that dildo out of your face.
well well about the karma thing i guess the kurds are also coping it for helping us genociding liars like you and your armenian ape brothers.
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The only dildo, Yasmin.. is the one you keep fantasying about shoving up your unluberacted arse.. You dirty wahhabi lover...lol
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July 14 2012, 1:48 PM
The name of Turk possible came from Trojan Genaral Turcus. He migrated to Turkistan with his faithful soldiers when the Troy demolished. (james Harper)
James Harper, "Rome versus Istanbul: Competing Claims and the Moral Value of Trojan Heritage"
When Ottoman Empire began to emerge as a Mediterranean power, renaissance Europeans struggled to explain the origins and successes of the Ottomans. According to one popular theory, the Turks took their name from Turcus, leader of a band of Trojans who fled into the interior of Asia after the fall of Troy. Having lived in obscurity for millennia, Turcus' descendents were reemerging to claim their destiny and revive the "glory of Ilium". This, and similar theories that connected the Turks and the Trojans, excited vigorous opposition: the debates over the origins of the Turks demonstrate the importance and moral value that Trojan heritage held in the Renaissance imagination. Through "Pius Aeneas", the legendary founder of the Roman people, both the pope (as Pontifex Maximus) and the Holy Roman Emperor claimed a Trojan heritage. Sharing these claims with anyone, especially a non-christian people, would dilute the symbolic power that identification with Troy generated. As Catholic Europe began to feel more directly threatened by the territorial expansion and cultural "otherness" of the Ottoman Empire, arguments against the Trojan origins of the Turks took on a greater urgency. A dignity and moral value were implicit to Trojan heritage, and the increasing enmity between Istanbul and Rome dictated that these very qualities be denied to an enemy people. Scholars, including Pope Pius II himself, dedicated their energies to refuting the association of the Turks and the Trojans. At the same time, there was a proliferation of visual imagery that celebrated the Trojan heritage of the west. Though this iconographic trend is often attributed to a generic Renaissance interest in classical antiquity, this paper will argue that images of the Flight of Aeneas from Troy spring from the same causes and belong to the same discourse as written works like Nicolaus Sagunido's De Turcarum Origine.
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the historical revisionism of Turks knows no bounds
they are delusional now
I remember hearing some Turk saying Homer was a Turk actually! and that his reall name... wait for it... was OMAR!!!
OMAR!!!
LOLOLOLOL
and I know of a German who went to Hallicarnassos and the tour guide was telling them about the 'ancient Turks' (LOL), so the German asks what language 'these ancient Turks spoke' and they tour guide replied: 'Griechisch'
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What you say the whole world is just Europe and where a significant Armenian population live. So tell us, Varo. If 1,800,000 Armenians were killed, although there were 1,250,000 Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, so where did those millions of Armenians in the western countries come from?
For many decades there were ZERO Kurds in Turkey, just "Mountain Turks". All of sudden in the early 1990s, many millions of Kurds suddenly appeared in Turkey. Where did these new Kurds come from, TOROS_2000 ? And where did the "Mountain Turks" go ? They disappeared all of a sudden.
The Turks have no credibility when it comes to making arguments with population numbers, so I don't know why they bother. I suppose Turks have no decent arguments to use against Armenians, so they invent these childish "arguments" about population numbers.
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What does it have to do with what I say? You couldn't come up with anything else to say and trying to turn and twist facts to cover the popular lie.
However, it's rather the Western resources which have no credibility on population numbers. I have been using internet for years and number of Kurds were cited as %10-%12 of Turkey in the early 2000s. It's just increased to %18-%20 in the mid-2000s and now they are about %30 of Turkey! Just like the Armenian case; 300,000 Armenian victims in 1960s have become 1,500,000 in 2000s and now 1,800,000!
The so-called Armenian genocide is the only genocidal case in the world which has official recognition status so the greater numbers will make more sense for the counter side.
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OK TOROS_2000, why don't you actually demonstrate by reference to books, that Armenians keep changing the numbers over the years ? I bet you cant! Because it is a bogus argument you Turks have invented amongst yourselves.
Maybe I'm wrong ? Go here and try .....
books.google.com
Also.......
And how do you know if the Armenians are including the victims of the Hamidian massacres 1894-1896 ?
And how do you know if the Armenians are including the victims during the Kemalist period 1919-1923 ?
"For those who arent aware, there was a genocide that did take place against the Armenian people. It is one of these situations where we have seen a constant denial on the part of the Turkish Government and others that this occurred. It has become a sore spot diplomatically...."
Senator (D-Illinois) Barack Hussein Obama 12-4-2007
Here is the video of the statement:
"Today, we commemorate the Meds Yeghern, one of the worst atrocities of the 20th century. In doing so, we honor the memory of the 1.5 million Armenians who were brutally massacred or marched to their deaths in the waning days of the Ottoman Empire. As we reflect on the unspeakable suffering that took place 97 years ago, we join millions who do the same across the globe and here in America, where it is solemnly commemorated by our states, institutions, communities, and families. "
Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States, 24-4-2012
President of France visits the monument of your Armenian Achievement:
He was prosecuted for his statement.
Hilary Clinton, US Secretary of State, visits the monument of your Armenian Achievement:
Orhan Pamuk, the greatest Turkish author, and the only Turk ever to receive a Nobel Prize in Literature (2006) acknowledged the Armenian Achievement of the Turks:
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
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An example of the popular inventions: "Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?" - Adolf Hitler. Source of this quotation was a statement of a German newspaper that was published in 24 November 1945, and source of this statement was a plea depends on a submitted argument against NAZI soldiers who stood trial at Nuremberg. Having been investigated by historicians, as well as Armenians, it had been repeatedly proved that such a document about Armenians didn't exist in Nuremberg archieves.
Existence of Armenians is the simpliest truth. However Turkey has already offered to found a common comission to open all documents. It was rejected by the Armenian side.
Armenians had been murdering all the muslim population to become the vast majority with regard to greater Armenia and muslims (Turks, Kurds and Caucassians) launched a counter attack against Armenians. It was a civil war, rather than a genocide.
Mass murderder nations should better focus on their own genocides rather than covering with so-called propaganda stuffs.
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All the great leaders of this world pay tribute to the Armenian Genocide Memorial when they visit Yerevan.
The most respected Turk worldwide, Orhan Pamuk, (2006 Nobel prize in Literature) says "Yes, we did it!". Do the Turks have anything to say?
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
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GavurYunan, US and France host the most Western Armenian population in the world and their political lobbies in these countries are obvious.
Orhan Pamuk's prize was already given with regard to his political statements just like rest of the many nobel prizes. Even many great sciencemen such as Nikola Tesla rejects the status of Nobel Awards.
Common sense is an important matter of fact.
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You say "civil war, rather than genocide"............ but your own allies, like Germany, are unaware of a "civil war". Yes, some incidents here and there but certainly no civil war. Instead of repeating statements like a parrot, why don't you find links to books that talk about the German documents that show there was a civil war in Anatolia.
German archives are open.
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Can anyone show me the graves of these subhumans we killed. I need a new toilet.
lol @ romulfag demanding an apology. The West nearly decimated the whole population of Africa and native Americans.
No matter the era, whichever the society, people always gaze at the stars when young. Then they stretch out their hands and try to catch them. And then one day, they realize their arms are not long enough to catch the stars, and thats when they grow up.
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"GavurYunan, US and France host the most Western Armenian population in the world and their political lobbies in these countries are obvious."
What about the Armenian lobby in Sweden? Swede Foreign Minister Karl Bild at the monument of your Armenian Achievement!
Now Carl Bildt is an interesting case. We Greeks hate him, because he is a great Turk sympathizer, and a champion of Turkish EU-Membership. And yet....
"Orhan Pamuk's prize was already given with regard to his political statements just like rest of the many nobel prizes. Even many great sciencemen such as Nikola Tesla rejects the status of Nobel Awards."
I cannot believe this. Nobel Prizes in Peace are indeed politically motivated.
But Nobel Prizes in Literature, Physics, Chemistry, Economics and Medicine are given on political grounds?
I have never heard a more absurd argument.
What can I say? There has to be an international conspiracy to slander the poor Turks! Those behind it are so methodic and diabolic, that they have everybody in their payroll: The most powerful leaders, scholars, the Nobel Prize Committee
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
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The same "peace-determining" country is one of the biggest weapon suppliers in the world and what's more the creator of Nobel Prizes, Alfred Nobel, was inventor of TNT and his father was a weapon producer. How paradoxical!
So what's the main criterias for a Nobel Award and what's the base?
Even Turkey insisted on US to oppress Sweden to prevent Orhan Pamuk's prize. It's an encouragement for Orhan Pamuk's statements. Why have we never heard even a single political statements of Orhan Pamuk except for his "I repeat, I said loud and clear that one million Armenians and 30,000 Kurds were killed in Turkey." speech and insulting style towards Atatürk? So why did he feel in need to make such an explanition although he has never made any researchment on this issue?
So why didn't France, Germany, Sweden and so on, recognize "Holodomor" as a genocide?
You are sure to move against Turks as a Greek, GavurYunan. I understand that...but don't make a fool of yourself simply pointing out diplomats' behaviors.
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1680: Sabbatai Zvi, a Turkish Jew, proclaims himself to be the Jewish Messiah in Salonica. After amassing a following of thousands of Jews - he led them on a Zionist exodus to Palestine. On the way he decided to become a Muslim. Many of his followers saw this as Gods plan and also became Muslims.
1716: A group called the Donmeh forms in Salonica of Sabbatai Zvis followers headed by Sabbatai Zvis successor, Baruchya Russo. By the early 1900s, the Donmeh numbers in the hundreds of thousands. They were known as Crypto Jews because though outwardly appearing to be Muslims, they were still Jews following the customs of the Jewish occult Kabbala which Sabbatai Zvi taught. They continue in their fervent, (yet secret), Zionist vision.
1860: Jewish Hungarian Zionist named Arminius Vambery becomes an advisor to the Sultan Abdül Mecit while secretly working as an agent for Lord Palmerston of the British Foreign Office. Vambery tries to broker a deal between the Zionist leader Theodore Herzl and Sultan Abdul Mecit over the creation of Israel but fails.
1891: Out of the Donmeh a Zionist political group forms called The Committee of Union and Progress, later called The Young Turks. The group is headed by a Freemason Jew by the name of Emmanuel Carraso who organizes the secret Committee of Union and Progress in Geneva with the help of the Rothschilds.
1895-1896: Sephardic Jews of Salonika together with the Turks massacre Armenian Christians in Istanbul.
1902 & 1907: Two Congresses of The Young Turks meet in Paris to plan, prepare, and effect the penetration the Sultans army leading to the military coup of 1908.
1908: The Jewish Young Turks revolt and force the Sultan Abdul Hamid II into submission.
1909: The Jewish Young Turks rape, torture, and slaughter over 100,000 Armenians in the city of Adana, also known as Cilicia.
1914: The Jews of The Young Turks create unrest, turmoil, and bolster the paid Serbian assassin, Gavrilo Princip, which leads to World War I.
1915: The Armenian Holocaust engineered by the ruling Jews of The Young Turks, leaves 1.5 million Armenian Christians starved, tortured, and murdered.
1918: Jew Mustafa Kemal Ataturk ascends into leadership.
1920: Russian Jewish Bolsheviks supply Ataturk iwth 10 million gold roubles, 45,000 rifles, and 300 machine guns with ammunition.
1921: Ataturk occupies the Port of Baku in conjunction with the Russian Jewish Bolsheviks ceding it to the Bolsheviks five days later. The Rothschilds are delighted.
1922: Jewish Kemalists orchestrate the burning of Smyrna resulting in the ethnic cleansing of over 100,000 Armenian and Greek Christians left tortured, starved, raped, and dead.
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Ah, Mr. Nutuk, thank you for providing me with ammunition!
You see TOROS_2000, how futile your efforts are? Your own countrymen not only admit it, but they brag about it! Most Turks here are the same!
Regarding the Nobel Prize Awards I advise you not to make a fool of yourself.
By they, thank you for providing the exact quote by Orhan Pamuk. I will also look up his comments on Mustafa Kemal, and put them in my sig!
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
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"Most Turks here are the children of immigrants abroad who are discriminated and looked down. Still you know my opinions about WAFF members."
So most Turks here have an inferiorty complex and cover it up by blind chauvinism. If you say so.........
That is strange however.
Most of them claim to have super successful careers abroad: One is a lawyer in Sweden and a former officer in the Swedish Army. Another is a successful engineer in Holland. Another is an engineer in a gigantic Swedish construction company . Another is a promising professional photographer. Another has his own software business .Another is an accountant in Britain.I can give their names too.
Of course all of them have University degrees, or are students in prominent Universities. And they are hugely successful with European girls, especially the Greek ones.
Regarding the Armenian issue:
Let us not call it a "genocide" since you Turks are so touchy and easily offended on these issues. Let us call it the "Armenian Achievement". Does it make you feel better?
"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
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1. Armo (obviously)
2. Slavic
3. Christian Arab
4. Pontian
About genocides, what's with all the narrow mindedness? You guys shouldn't really bad mouth it without giving it a try."
There goes another oppressed, discriminated and looked down Turk.
What else do I need to say? I rest my case...............
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
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^You need power to do that, and whenever we ask where that power comes from, you stupid dumb fvcks resort to prophecies, wars between Russia, Israel vs Turkey etc.
Delusional megalomaniacs.
No matter the era, whichever the society, people always gaze at the stars when young. Then they stretch out their hands and try to catch them. And then one day, they realize their arms are not long enough to catch the stars, and thats when they grow up.
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