Speaking to "Greek Cypriots" in the United States, the commie traitor of Cyprus said:

"We don't need mother-countries ... The Cypriots do not accept the fait accompli on the ground ... or the liberation of Cyprus by Turkish troops. ... Cyprus, along with other friendly countries, gives battle to win in the United Nations and resolutions are weapons which are used to put pressure on Turkey to withdraw from the island.
I assure we are the continuing struggle for liberation of the occupied territories and the reunification of Cyprus, in order for Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots to live peacefully in a united federal Cyprus state and to cooperate in their common homeland."

Source:
http://www.sigmalive.com/simerini/news/local/140307

Let us cut the metapolitefsi bs and lies, that ushered in the current Greek misery most of the "Greek Cypriot" population are anti-Hellenic traitors. They believe exactly that they don't need Greek military, instead they prefer, womanish, fairy fantasies of "liberation" via the useless United Nations and international law. They believe that they don't need Greeks, their own Greek identity or Greece, instead they need to live together with the same traitor Mahometan excrements who lived in miserable enclaves for over a decade, directed by TSK officers and TMT fascists just to invite a foreign invasion.

Related threads:
G&T Thread: Why Cyprus '74 is nothing to brag about except for Arabo-Turkish losers
In that thread I gave some mitigating factors due to the internal Cypriot political treason, why Cyprus was an easy target to invade.
G&T Thread: National values of Turkish Cypriots vs fake Greek, Cypriot-Cypriots
I compare how the Islamo-fascist Turkish Cypriots treated the death of Denktash to how traitor pseudo-commie and socialist "Greek Cypriots" consider Georgios Grivas. The fanatic Mahometans who were once 18% of Cyprus thought they should get the whole island if they could, while the pseudo-progressive traitors who are a disgrace to Hellenism were/are against a majority Greek island ceding to Greece as Grivas wished.
G&T Thread: Makarios reducing the National Guard
A Greek officer stationed to Cyprus on the traitor Makarios's order to neuter the strength of the National Guard effective on the 20th of July(the day Turkey invaded) by dramatically lowering the duration of conscription, just to suit his personal politics, since he was against the National Guard.



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We don't need mother countries!

We are an independent country what's the big deal?




e-petition Turks out of Cyprus.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/9953

RIP George Stephanou
http://george-savva-stephanou.gonetoosoon.org/

I agree you greedy Cypriot insects pretending to be mostly socialist and commies need full frontal lobe lobotomies, not motherlands. Maybe then you will stop b1tching about how you don't need Greece, but then blaming Greece. Maybe then you will stop wanting to reunify in a bi-zonal Frankenstein state with the Mahometan traitors you still consider "co-citizens" because of some British foisted and unworkable 1960 Constitution you lionize. Maybe then you will realize that the TSK criminals will not leave the island without fighting. Maybe then you will stop being girly men.

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I agree you greedy Cypriot insects pretending to be mostly socialist and commies need full frontal lobe lobotomies, not motherlands. Maybe then you will stop b1tching about how you don't need Greece, but then blaming Greece. Maybe then you will stop wanting to reunify in a bi-zonal Frankenstein state with the Mahometan traitors you still consider "co-citizens" because of some British foisted and unworkable 1960 Constitution you lionize. Maybe then you will realize that the TSK criminals will not leave the island without fighting. Maybe then you will stop being girly men" End quote

I actually agree with you with the only way to rid the Turks is to fight, but what of the Turkish Cypriots afterwards???

They have been on the Island too long and are cypriot.






e-petition Turks out of Cyprus.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/9953

RIP George Stephanou
http://george-savva-stephanou.gonetoosoon.org/

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I actually agree with you with the only way to rid the Turks is to fight, but what of the Turkish Cypriots afterwards???

They have been on the Island too long and are cypriot.
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NO ...ALL YOUR PEOPLE HAD TO DO WAS TO SAY YES TO ANNAN PLAN ...

Now you are stuck with us in the island ...and there is no fukin plan ...

Fight ...and you will loose .

You are asking nikephoros to what to do with the Turkish Cypriots ...

LOL ....LOOOOOOLLL ...ITS LIKE ASKING HITLER ...WHAT SHOULD WE DO WITH THESE JEWISH KIDS!!!!!

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Mahometans only deserve to convert and stay behind as now peaceable citizens or piss off to some already Pisslamic country. Turks in their nationalist mythology like to portray Christians and Jews as the traitors. The reality is that it is them that need always to promote sedition, to invite Islamic armies so they can practice their repressive Sharia.

G&T Thread: Violence rate high among Turkish students, study reveals
Hurriyet May/22/2012

Half of students subject their classmates to violence, while 60.9 percent of students are subjected to violence every day. Another 28 percent have been subjected to violence at least once, while a mere 10 percent of the students surveyed indicated they had never been subjected to violence at all, according to the study.

The academics interviewed some 10,000 students from 12 different regions for the survey, which was conducted in collaboration with the Scientific and Technical Research Council of Turkey (TÜBTAK).

And no, Turkish Cypriots are no better.


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Maybe for Greece to stop beeing a "mother country" to Cyrpus wouldn't be so bad.
Does anyone know how much Greece has spent/is spending from the Greek military budget for the defence of Cyrpus?


Power through Knowledge
"I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."
Nikos Kazantzakis

Fack off this thread, Evropeos the traitor.


You can always go back to Spartan Queen's former to parrot that sh1t. I found it hilarious by the way, that traitors like you never brought up that he worked as a high powered, spoiled rich lawyer covering up Exxon Mobil's crimes. But for free he was on the internet, pretending to be a great progressive and lover of Turkdom, and covering up their crimes pro bono! How kind of the lawyer scum...


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so sad that our group leader is a pseudosocialist

some of their usual sayings

1)Cyprus is an independent state and we have nothing to do, or we neither want nor we need mother countries

2)the Turc Cypriots are our brothers

the same ones that they have been betraying them to the British those who were fighting for the freedom and independence of Cyprus, and the same ones that they used paramilitary organizations under the leadership of Denktash and others to kill prisoners of war, the same ones that they had been receiving weapons from Turkey in order to attack Gcs with the intention to provoke reprisals and then to call Turkey to invade as they did later on


It is a shame to see what has become of the Cypriots i was right to say that 2 out of 3 are traitors something that provoked reactions on behalf of the Greek members, but i was right all the same.

Fortunately there are some Cypriots who did not get infected by the virus of treason and pseudosocialism but it seems that we wont find them here in this treacherous forum.



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Political parties come and go.. what should be of paramount importance to both Greece and Cyprus is the eventual 'enosis' that must take place in order to strengthen both people's.. and this can only occur when brotherly respect and friendship is allowed to develop.. and if the Cyp's want to be represented by a commie.. so be it.. as long as the actions of whatever government is in power in Cyprus, even communists.. stay true to Hellenism.. what does it matter what he says for domestic and Turkish consumption.. 

Nikephoros, fack off yourself.
I am still not Evropeos and am still not member of any other defence forum little rat (you are not even a big rat) as I have told you many times before but you paranoid lier keep on repeating.

Leave it up to the people of Cyprus to decide what is best for them.
We Greeks (Nikephoros excluded) should concentrate on what is best for us.





Power through Knowledge
"I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."
Nikos Kazantzakis

You too can fack off vagina-ian. Read more bs less.

Greek Stalinist wannabe commies, like Christofat, who funny enough, is one of the richest Cypriots, cannot be patriotic. These Cypriots started the trend of pretending to be a progressive person in theory, in your politic opinions, but hoarding all the power that money brings in reality. On Greek tv all those successful personalities pretending like Lakis Lazopoulos, Antonis Kanakis to be "men of the people", progressive, tolerance romantics, are really greedy mofos living lavish lives in the richest neighborhoods, often with multiple homes -- while most viewers can barely maintain one. They are anti-capitalists and progressives of my as3hole.

So if you are something only theory via political opinion, and in reality you are hoarding, anti-patriotic, rich as3hole, likely massively dodging taxes, what are you?

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Stop fvcking up ROC and our brothers there, they don't need Hellass.
They are doing fine without ur help, or when did you help them anyway?

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Evropeos/Anthropos microbe,
Since when do the majority of Cypriots want to be called "Greeks"? Only in 2004 when Greece won the Eurocup for a few hours.

Since the 1960's they have not wanted to be considered Greek by personal identity or be associated with Greece except when it suits them in a parasitic way. Leftist imbeciles like you of course don't want to know such facts, because it is hurts gravely your agenda of demonizing the junta and Greek patriots if people knew the true reasons why Turkey's invasion was successful.

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eleftheria i thanatos , if you are an independent state go and play the group leader to your compatriots from Cyprus

Greece is a different state according to your sayings so you have no business to be our leader



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Now.. Now.. Nike, don't be rude.. We both know you can't make anyone fack off.. Especially me...lol

What I find terribly funny you little orgy whore.. Is how you critique others for their supposed affiliation to other forums that YOU have frequented yourself...LOL..

...and btw, even though I wouldn't classify my self as rich.. I am well off.. In fact, better than you'll ever be.. If this unsets you.. Tough! if you feel you need to pry into my financial affairs because you lack any ability to earn a living on your own and therefore suffer from jealously, then stop logging onto WAFF 20 hours of the day.. And get a job..

You deny Greece and your connection to your "mother country" as you put it and then you want us to be frendos, amigos and pals call it whatever the fack you like

you make suggestions about our internal issues and our immigration policies, our foreign policies concerning Turkey, and the guarding of our borders

Thats what they do , they deny any connection with you, they betray you and then they want to be your friend, your amigo, your pal and your leaders suggesting you what to do

Thats what they have been doing whenever i meet them in Spartan Queens forum, in here or wherever the hell they are hiding.


i will leave now because if i stay any longer i may some things that i may regret later on



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EletheriaHThanatos:
If there is WAR, Greece will fight for nothing less than Enosis. Independent Cyprus is not an objective than can galvanize the Greek youth in war. I believe we agree on that.
Since Cyprus seeks peaceful solution, I agree with you that right now the only possible negotiating line is the Independent Federal, bi-communal, bi-zonal Cyprus etc, etc.
However, if gas turns Cyprus into Dumbai, the Turkish Cypriots will get more and more eager to return, which will allow the Cypriot Government to dictate whatever terms it likes. You may demand that they accept a good minority status, like the Basques in Spain, and forget about bi-zonal Federation. If Cyprus gets very rich, the Turkish Cypriots will get so eager to return, that they will even accept Annexation to Greece.
So , why hurry for a bad solution now, since the negotiating position of Greek-Cypriots will get stronger and stronger in the future?


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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

"eleftheria i thanatos , if you are an independent state go and play the group leader to your compatriots from Cyprus

Greece is a different state according to your sayings so you have no business to be our leader"

Cyprus IS an Independent state Fact!! It doesn't stop me being Greek though does it???






e-petition Turks out of Cyprus.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/9953

RIP George Stephanou
http://george-savva-stephanou.gonetoosoon.org/

EletheriaHThanatos:
If there is WAR, Greece will fight for nothing less than Enosis. Independent Cyprus is not an objective than can galvanize the Greek youth in war. I believe we agree on that.
Since Cyprus seeks peaceful solution, I agree with you that right now the only possible negotiating line is the Independent Federal, bi-communal, bi-zonal Cyprus etc, etc.
However, if gas turns Cyprus into Dumbai, the Turkish Cypriots will get more and more eager to return, which will allow the Cypriot Government to dictate whatever terms it likes. You may demand that they accept a good minority status, like the Basques in Spain, and forget about bi-zonal Federation. If Cyprus gets very rich, the Turkish Cypriots will get so eager to return, that they will even accept Annexation to Greece.
So , why hurry for a bad solution now, since the negotiating position of Greek-Cypriots will get stronger and stronger in the future?

Spot on!!! Totally agree with everything you say there. There is no hurry on the ROC side, its the Turks that are asking for deadlines and turning to plan B (Annexation)




e-petition Turks out of Cyprus.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/9953

RIP George Stephanou
http://george-savva-stephanou.gonetoosoon.org/

Cyprus IS an Independent state Fact!! It doesn't stop me being Greek though does it???
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you are what you feel and those who denounce their connections with their motherland are not Greeks to the slightest extend.



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Cyprus of course is an independent state technically speaking because some traitors brought Cyprus to be a divided independent state , it should be a part of Greece long time ago since Gcs are Greeks too, having Cyprus independent is equal to me as having Crete indepedent

therefore the purpose of every patriot is to wish for Union to the motherland and to understand that the current division and independence of Cyprus is a result of treasons commited by Greek Junda, their collaborators the Americans and many other factors

What today Cypriots do including yourself is that they hide themselves behind the fact that Cyprus is an independent state in order to support pseudosocialism , treason and communism

their tactic is to distance themselves from the mainland and denounce any past or present connections with it, they went too far as to claim that Cypriots are something different than Greeks and they should be treated in a different way

at least thats the kind of treason and pseudosocialism that i very usually met at Spartan Queens forum

you yourself declared that you are a communist and what you suggested above is a clear indication of pseudosocialism

i dont want you to be my group leader, but fortunately for you its not my decision to make,

and believe it or not i was so idiot as to vote for you , this was one of the biggest mistakes that i ever made in this forum.

Anyway, lets move on nobody can change the past.



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Quote"Cyprus of course is an independent state technically speaking because some traitors brought Cyprus to be a divided independent state , it should be a part of Greece long time ago since Gcs are Greeks too, having Cyprus independent is equal to me as having Crete indepedent

therefore the purpose of every patriot is to wish for Union to the motherland and to understand that the current division and independence of Cyprus is a result of treasons commited by Greek Junda, their collaborators the Americans and many other factors

What today Cypriots do including yourself is that they hide themselves behind the fact that Cyprus is an independent state in order to support pseudosocialism , treason and communism

their tactic is to distance themselves from the mainland and denounce any past or present connections with it, they went too far as to claim that Cypriots are something different than Greeks and they should be treated in a different way

at least thats the kind of treason and pseudosocialism that i very usually met at Spartan Queens forum

you yourself declared that you are a communist and what you suggested above is a clear indication of pseudosocialism

i dont want you to be my group leader, but fortunately for you its not my decision to make,

and believe it or not i was so idiot as to vote for you , this was one of the biggest mistakes that i ever made in this forum.

Anyway, lets move on nobody can change the past. "End Quote.





Sorry you feel like that Onty, Ill say it again I'm not a communist but centre left.

I see reason and look for answers on both sides of politics. I am a democrat and in Cyprus we are still democratic the island isn't communist!! How can it be when we are part of the biggest capital union in the world???

I think right wing Greeks are blinded and just attack the current government who are actually more right wing in number actually in Parliament! I was in Cyprus a few weeks ago there are more Greek flags flying proudly than Cypriot ones, there is no problem with this.

We know we are Greek even the Communist president, who speaks Greek and has a Greek Surname.

Being Greek to me isn't about borders to me though.







e-petition Turks out of Cyprus.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/9953

RIP George Stephanou
http://george-savva-stephanou.gonetoosoon.org/

I think right wing Greeks are blinded and just attack the current government who are actually more right wing in number actually in Parliament! I was in Cyprus a few weeks ago there are more Greek flags flying proudly than Cypriot ones, there is no problem with this.
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i never hide the fact that i was supportive of a right patriotic government to be in power, the current government has nothing to do with patriotism

i just want to make clear my beliefs so to be understood by everybody including yourself, i dont like to put labels on ideologies, thats the tactic of leftists who baptize every patriot who has a nationalist consience as a far rightist, fanatic, or Junda supporter and fascist

my only criterion for approval or dissaproval of a particular government is their patriotism

this government is consisted by traitors who signed the memorandum, who stole public money and lead the country to bunkruptcy because of their policies, therefore any critisism against them is a not only justified but a necessity,

now as far a far rightists is concerned, nobody is excluded from criticism and believe me when i say so, i myself voted for Karatzaferis because i thought him to be a patriot, when he collaborated with the 2 big parties and NEA DIMOCRATIA those whom he was accusing as traitors and thieves in order to get a chair in the parliament i dennounced him and i declared that his party has no future in our hearts and our minds

let me tell you that patriotism has nothing to do with parties, it has to do with policies and ideologies,

a patriot does not support globalization and cares foremost for his state, and the well being of the citizens

if leftists support illegal immigration, globalization and other policies which have nothing to do with patriotism its not my fault

if rightists in Greece have never been patriotic but they became collaborators in treason with PASOK its not my fault either

what you must understand is that patriotism is my only criterion to distinguish the healthy from the rotten apple no matter where this apple ideologically and politically speaking belongs to,

we are seeking for patriotism if the so called far rightists proved to be more patriotic than the current governments which have been rulling Greece for decades and lead us to this point that remains to be seen.

I dont stick to labels what im interested in is the essence of the policies which are going to be applied by a government and the essence is putting it in a rather simplistic way i admit, that they should be patriotic.



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EletheriaHThanatos:

" H MIKRA ELLAS THS ANATOLIKHS MESOGEIOY" will always be in our hearts, even if Enosis is not achieved.The KALAMARADES will always love you!





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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

"I actually agree with you with the only way to rid the Turks is to fight, but what of the Turkish Cypriots afterwards???

They have been on the Island too long and are cypriot."

This is precisely the nonsense that plagues the minds of the cypriots.


"They have been on the island too long and are cypriot" ...


HMMM....


I guess the REAL Greeks should have said the same thing in 1821 ...

"Oh, the Turks have been here in Athens too long, and are Athenian"



Wake up Cypriots, there will never be a functional, peaceful nation when you have 2 different languages, 2 different religions, and 2 different cultures with different world views.


It amazes me, Cypriots claim to be so smart, but most are dumb as fuking rocks. The Turks of the island are 100x more intelligent. While you kiss their azzes and call them brothers, they laugh and buy time. In any "solution" other than completely ousting them from the island, they will eventually conquer you. Either by the sword, or by out breeding you. Only by defeating them on the battlefield, and ousting them from the land, completely, and by force will you have the island back.


Take a close look at my sig picture....do you see a Cyprus attached? No. Good reason for that. Such people are not Hellenes due to their thinking and ways. It wasn't the Greeks who rejected you, you rejected Hellenism and chose to become something foreign.


I propose that a new group be made for the Cypriots. They are their own state and their own country, and they always say they have their own identity - these are their words, not mine. Their ideas are not Hellenic. At best, all they speak is some mutilated form of Greek and are Orthodox. Honestly, I think the Albanians, if they were to covert back to Orthodoxy, would be more Greek than the Cypriots.


The Hellenic Hoplites shouldn't be represented by foreigners. New group, new leader.

Cyprus is or should be a Hellenic province just like Crete,Rhodes etc. You are Hellene Cypriots,not Cypriots...

I think we should stop bothering about this godforsaken island, most "Cypriots" i know are progresive anti-war, Turko-friendly scum.
They want to be named Cypriots not Hellenes but also come here to study in universities without opening a book while mainland Hellenes sit their azzes all day. They can buy magazines and stuff for half the price etc

They must accept they are just a Hellenic island nothing more...

If you want to be Cyprus, stop wasting our resources and go to you jewish buddies...

Besides in case of war we won't be able to help you in the least, so maybe it's better you've chosen to be "Cypriots" rather than Hellenes...

I have a rule: Never to attack fellow Greeks here. But if some people here continue attacking the Greeks of Cyprus , I will break that rule, and I can be very nasty when I want.
I will not say the same thing twice.

I want to mention a few names that some Greeks here may not know:
Grigoris Afksendiou, Kyriakos Matsis, Andreas Panagidis, Lena Papageorgiou, Stylianos Lenas, Markos Drakos.

These were great men, they were the Enotikoi of Cyprus, the noblest of the Greeks,who gave their life for Annexation of Cyprus to Greece in 1955-1959, and in 1974.
Check out this video:



Have we produced men of such quality in Greece after World War II? I think not.


A song for Cyprus!





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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"

Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974

Take a close look at my sig picture....do you see a Cyprus attached? No. Good reason for that. Such people are not Hellenes due to their thinking and ways. It wasn't the Greeks who rejected you, you rejected Hellenism and chose to become something foreign.
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True most of what you say especially about the treacherous Turk Cypriots who did everything in their power like snakes to bring division among Greeks and division between themselves and the Gcs acting as agents of the various Turkish governments for the purpose to justify an invasion and occupation of the island and they suceeded unfortunately for us

However i must say here that we must be fair and objective in our critisism, i isolated this paragraph of yours because i find it unfair to those Cypriots who fought for the purpose of the enosis and for the purpose of the independence of Cyprus when it was under the colonial rule of Britain.

There are still some Cypriots who love Greece and they believe in Enosis and it is for their sake that i make my comments, even myself have said that many Cypriots have been corrupted by the seed of treason and pseudosocialism, but not everybody fortunately for us.

And i will conclude with some self criticism it is easy to speak against Cypriots but where Greece had been when they had been invaded? what did the treacherous Greek Junda of Ioannides did in order to stop it?

Did we declare war on Turkey the moment that they invaded Cyprus? absolutely not

Did Karamanlis who was brought back from France and was greeted as a hero by the uneducated masses of paysants did his duty to declare war on Turkey as he should after the collapse of Junda?

He did nothing of the sort and he accepted the situation as it was, making treacherous agreements which greatly promoted the division of Cyprus, accepting pimps and guarantor powers when he should have done the obvious which is to respond with military action against Turkey.

He didnt do that because he was a coward and a traitor, and our biggest misery is that we got used to easy solutions the solutions which only can be brought by unpatriotic politicians and traitors

we didnt get used to do our duty, because doing your duty at critical times requires to sacrifice everything even your own life and it seems that we werent prepared to something like that

what about todays situation? what has been happening to Greece in the last few decades is the absolute chaos of treason and of any kind and anarchism, since anarchists can beat whoever they like and burn Athens whenever they like under the tolerance of the authorities.

So if we brought ourselves to this point with our treason and stupidity by voting traitors and political scumbags rewarding their treasons instead of punishing them

Then give me a good reason why the Cypriots who have been long ago abandoned by us and our political leadership, the Cypriots who have been brought to the arms of Israel who replaced us as their protectors and their guarantors

why the hell they shouldnt be brought to the arms of communists and pseudosocialists? if here in Greece we do exactly the same things.


Thats enough for the moment.



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