Gokturk ...there is no need to put Missile defence systems to Aegean at this moment ...we have more pressing matters at the east ... these resources must be turned towards the east ...Cyprus is a must
Basically 6-7-8 take 9 down towards the border to Iran and 1 more between Diyarbakir and Urfa.
We do not have a rouge state at our west ...Greeks would have to be out of their minds to even dream about firing a missile at this stage ...(not talking about future we may use missile defence at our west and north in the future)
However Assad is a crazed maniac that isnt scared of killing his own people with dreams of staying in power ...they shot 1 of our planes and do not want to guess what would happen if he fire's a missile .
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""Gokturk ...there is no need to put Missile defence systems to Aegean at this moment ...we have more pressing matters at the east ... these resources must be turned towards the east ...Cyprus is a must
Basically 6-7-8 take 9 down towards the border to Iran and 1 more between Diyarbakir and Urfa.""
There are only two points in Turkey iranians could attack: Incirlik AFB and Malatya Radar Base. These bases are NATO units and they have their own air defense.
I agree with you there are no need PAC-3s in Aegean at this moment. But on aegean skies there is a large-scale military air activity even in peace conditions. Greek bandits have to feel press from pac-3s. Our defense umbrella will cover their major bases or islands and they are gonna be mad about that.
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There are only two points in Turkey iranians could attack: Incirlik AFB and Malatya Radar Base. These bases are NATO units and they have their own air defense.
I agree with you there are no need PAC-3s in Aegean at this moment. But on aegean skies there is large-scale military air traffic even in peace. Greek bandits have to feel press from pac-3s. Our defense umbrella will cover their major bases and they are gonna be mad about that.
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So basically just to make Greeks mad we will invest our missile defence to Aegean ...well that is truly an expensive way to troll ... how about we increase the number of Turkish trolls on Waff and You tube ....this way it would be cost effective.
Seriously we have been stopping Greek air traffic by Jet intercepts ... My main concern is not Iran aiming at Air Bases but rather Assad aiming at cities.
Think about it a devastating chemical blow in 1 city would turn us upside down .
Possibly would make Greek Dreams come true ...
Hence the Idiom " Eger kopegin dugasi kabul olsaydi , gokten kemik yagardi"-"If dog's pray's were to come true , it would have rained bones"
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Konstantiniye (Login ktmtr) The Conquerors (Turkey)
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July 17 2012, 7:19 AM
1,2,4,6
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No matter the era, whichever the society, people always gaze at the stars when young. Then they stretch out their hands and try to catch them. And then one day, they realize their arms are not long enough to catch the stars, and thats when they grow up.
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From the East the only real danger are Iran's/Syria's ballistic missiles
To the SE Turkey the only place worth protecting is Incirlik AFB which if I am not mistaken is already under US Patriot protection.
Patriot systems are for terminal phase TBM defence, so by placing a battery near Iran's borders its going to be a total waste because Shahab variants will fly above them at altitudes above 200-300 km!!
So first your are going to protect Istanbul and Ankara's popullated centers with 1 battery each.
Third battery will have to protect Balikesir AFB and Ismir.
Fourth battery will have to be placed somewhere in the southwest.
Biggest threat for you is HAF
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For Romulooser the idiot and troll in here and the other gayreeks.
This will be the first step. We will buy 4 batteries of long range Air defense systems to be placed on strategic important points for our airdefense.
In the 2nd step we maybe will buy more batteries from the same system or will purchase another long range air defense system.
Meanwhile our R&D to develope and produse our own long range air defense system will go on until we will be able to into serial production.
After that in the 3rd step our indegiuos own long range air defense system will be installed, so the umbrella to protect our country will be completed.
This will take a verly long term to complete, but as you can read and see by our R&D, we are on this way and taking the first milestones.
So the purchase of the first long range anti air deefnse systems will only be the starting point and beginning!
I can see right now the fear in oyur eyes you moron retard gayreeks!
Especially that from ROmolooser that idiot!
hahahahahaaaaa
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LOOOOL Romulus calls us a dreamer ... Are you even for real? Between Free M1A1 , Blackhawk and Turks 10 million Greeks 70 million Dreams you obviously forgot reality ...
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xxxKULxxx (Login xxxKULxxx) The Conquerors (Turkey)
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July 17 2012, 11:57 AM
On NTV they said we will buy 12 of them...Also they said maybe decision will be made after Erdogan's visit to Russia...Can this mean Erdogan will try for technology transfer from Russia?...
xxxKULxxx
WOHHOOOO GET OUT OF MY WAY CRIMINAL INFIDELS; I HAD COME WITH MY NEW SIG
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Get closer the number 1 & 2 to secure the Istanbul - Izmit - Bursa - Eskisehir - Ankara line all togehter.. Securing the around 80 km east of Ankara is pointless...
Move number 5 lil bit to north by covering Cigli airbase at Izmir, Aksazlar Navy Base at Mugla,
I know this is a wishful thinking thread, but believing that the Israelis will let the Americans sell the Turks a Pac-3 and then let you place it on Cyprus is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
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US doesn't need permission from israelis for anything you faggot. We will place them on KKTC not cyprus...
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Fack really why dont you Turks by a couple of extra batteries and re sell them for 10 times the price to Iran, North Korea, China. Americans really dont give a fack where these end up.
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""Fack really why dont you Turks by a couple of extra batteries and re sell them for 10 times the price to Iran, North Korea, China. Americans really dont give a fack where these end up.""
Chances that we will see PAC-3 missiles located in 3-4-5 is really small. Such a move is considered offensive against Greece and will be met with countermeasures like placing more ATACMS on the islands or some long range SAM on big islands. Turks will avoid to provoke that way as they will not like the response.
Most probably 2 systems will go around Konstantinoupoli and 2 at the East.
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Wolf_Kanuni (Login Wolf_Kanuni) The Conquerors (Turkey)
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July 18 2012, 9:29 AM
You must be an idiot. Doesn't Greece have air defence systems in the Aegean also?
If you decide to place more ATACMS etc... not only it can be responded by us, but it will also be better for us! (Yeah like an idiot, waste valuable systems like ATACMS on the islands where they will have nowhere to go and will be sitting ducks for us instead of using them in Thrace. LOL )
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I think Turks if and when acquire LORADS they will definitely place 2 batteries on the west to negate HAF easy access and to protect key installations and assembly areas for their aphibious forces.
In case of crisis Greek army will deploy MLRS systems with ATACMS missiles on specific islands to hit troops and landing crafts the moment they start to assemble...
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Yeah sure mate, you are going to respond the same way you ve responded to Syria and Israel. You will demand an apology...
LOL
Dispersed MLRS placed on the islands are not possible to be found before first ATACMS missiles are on the air. Unless Turkish army have a hidden super secret psychic corps tasked to seek out ememy's hidden weapons!
If a barrage of ATACMS hit your loaded and open landing crafts the moment they start to embark, afterwards we can hand you all MLRS if you ask as politely because we will not know what else to do with them!!
LOL
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@Wolf_Kanuni
Can you distinguish the difference between a system with 12km range (Sa-8) with a system that has 150+km range? Greek Systems on the islands cover Greek airspace only.
@Perseas
Putting a system that can cover deep over Greek aispace would be a provocation and i believe Turks will avoid that, all these years Turkish proocations had a blanket of NATO legality and formality. However installing a NATO system to face against another NATO member would not sound good for the alliance.
Greek long range SAM network cover today only international airspace and Greek one, if we had decided to install a system on the islands and cover airspace over TAF airbases i would expect a stron reaction from Turkey and NATO as well. Time will tell, let first Turks buy something cause i hear about this programme the last 15 years and then we will see.
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I say the m0ther f@@kers dont give a damn about not being provocative. They will install them to the west, we are the only force apart Israel able to deliver serious blows within conciderable deapth. They will have to negate us that ability...
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Dont forget that to the east they now face IAF, plus Syria, plus future IQ air force. Balistic missiles are overestimated as the have never prooved to be something more than a terror weapon, however their huge land mass and lack of any airdefence system means that IAF would have an easier job to attack their strategic instalations as no SEAD missions are needed. And i think one system will definatelly go near Cyprus to counter IAF flights in the aeria or around that aeria.
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Breaking news. The Defense Industry Executive Council (SSIK) has reached no verdict on the new LORAMIDS. Decision is delayed. They will discuss it again at the next meeting in 4 months.
"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
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Last time I checked PAC-3 had a max range of 15km - 45km (15km in anti-air; 45km in anti-missile role) while the 160km range's figure was for the PAC-2.
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I checked twice. I find PAC-3's range on a decent site. Others site are quoting slightly different figures but it never reaches more than 50km, let alone the 160km you put.
PAC-3 (MIM-104F)missile is shortleged as it is a much smaller and slower missile intented to kill IRBM. However a PAC-3 battery can use PAC-2GEM missile along with PAC-3.
If the Turks buy it only for balistic defence and get only PAC-3 missiles then it is not such a big threat, however i do not see that happening.
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We decided to order the Patriot in October 1998. The contract was signed in 1999, deliveries begun in 2001 and ended in 2003, and it became operational at the end of 2003.
I advise the Turks to hold their excitement. They have not made a decision yet. Even if they make a decision this year, the system will not be operational before 2017.
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
Major-General Bedrettin Demirel (1917-1988)
Commander of the Turkish Invasion Forces in 1974
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trabzonlee61 (Login TrabzonLee_61) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: Possible PAC-3 Locations On Turkey
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July 19 2012, 4:08 PM
"We decided to order the Patriot in October 1998. The contract was signed in 1999, deliveries begun in 2001 and ended in 2003, and it became operational at the end of 2003. "
And you got bankrupt in 2009.
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You all seem to miss a crucial detail...is any of you aware of the azimouth coverage of the proposed systems?
While S-300 is equiped with a rotating, phased array search radar, the Patriot system is equiped with a NON-
rotating multifunctional phased array radar. This means:
a)The azimuth coverage of the Patriot system is just 90 degrees.
b)In order to gain full protection (360 degrees) of a highly valuable target (let's say Ancara) you neen 4
fully equiped Patriot batteries!!!
In other words...in case that the Patriot system is sellected (8 batteries) there is no way for the Turks
to cover the Aegean...
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Tr1986 (Login Turksta1986) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: Possible PAC-3 Locations On Turkey
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July 23 2012, 10:45 AM
can turkiye improve these weapon systems to a much better system.
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