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Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy"

July 27 2012 at 8:56 AM
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Romulus  (Login romulus007)
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I felt a bit like a change and I thought I will unleash some culture on the forum...

just so nobody forgets what an intellectual powerhaus I am.. hehe

"Before we could recognize this fact, before we convincingly established the innermost dependence of every art on the Greeks, from Homer right up to Socrates, we had to treat these Greeks as the Athenians treated Socrates. Almost every era and cultural stage has at some point sought in an profoundly ill-tempered frame of mind to free itself of the Greeks, because in comparison with the Greeks, all their own achievements, apparently fully original and admired in all sincerity, suddenly appeared to lose their colour and life and shrivelled to unsuccessful copies, in fact, to caricatures. And so a heartfelt inner anger always keeps breaking out again against that arrogant little nation which dared to designate for all time everything that was not produced in its own country as barbaric. Who were those Greeks, people asked themselves, who, although they had achieved only an ephemeral historical glitter, only ridiculously restricted institutions, only an ambiguous competence in morality, who could even be identified with hateful vices, yet who had nevertheless laid a claim to a dignity and a pre-eminent place among peoples, appropriate to a genius among the masses? Unfortunately people were not lucky enough to find the cup of hemlock which could easily do away with such a being, for all the poisons which envy, slander, and inner rage created were insufficient to destroy that self-satisfied magnificence. Hence, confronted by the Greeks, people have been ashamed and afraid, unless an individual values the truth above everything else and dares to propose this truth: the notion that the Greeks, as the charioteers of our culture and every other one, hold the reins, but that almost always the wagon and horses are inferior material and do not match the glory of their drivers, who then consider it amusing to whip such a team into the abyss, over which they themselves jump with the leap of Achilles."

http://akrokorinthos.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/friedrich-nietzsche-and-ancient-greeks.html

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Re: Neitzche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy"

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July 27 2012, 9:00 AM 

and after that is there anyone here who STILL doesn't want to convert back to hellenism.....?

come on, just come out of the closet....

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Re: Neitzche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy"

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July 27 2012, 9:01 AM 

Nietzsche is also the one who said "God is dead." Doesn't that offend you Orthodog faggots?

 



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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 27 2012, 12:19 PM 

...why should it offend us Corpus?

Were not the ones blowing ourselves up because someone burn't our holy book..


 
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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 27 2012, 12:59 PM 

Ancient Greeks are NOTTT modern Greeks. We already spoken about this.

The only thing you are is an intellectual shithouse

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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 27 2012, 1:02 PM 

Get a life "Hekta" ...lol

...and a book and educate yourself, you jealous little boy...lol


 
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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 28 2012, 1:24 AM 

VARA

Hidden is a closet fag; and why he is so bitter spiteful and negative.....i bet when he finally cracks the closet door and announces to the world what we all know, he will turn into a real nice guy happy.gif

 
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July 28 2012, 1:26 AM 

...hidden is NOT his real name.. it's "Hekta"...lol

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July 28 2012, 1:54 AM 

Just thought Romulus seeing this, would be amusing. happy.gif

 

No offense to our Greek adelfi, of course. wink.gif

 

Ralph Waldo Emerson was another admirer of Persian poetry. In his essays "Persian poetry" (1876, Letters and Social Aims), "From the Persian of Hafiz", and "Ghaselle", Emerson expressed admiration for Persian poetry, and through these writings became instrumental in creating a new genre of audiences for the unique qualities of Persian verse. "The excitement [the poems] produced exceeds that of the grape" he wrote. In his interest in Persian poets and poetry, one can glimpse a Dionysian side of Emerson, the side that appealed to Nietzsche. Emerson, who read Sa'di only in translation, compared his writing to the Bible in terms of its wisdom and the beauty of its narrative.[1]

Nietzsche, a radical opposer of Greek Metaphysical thought, was the author of the book Thus Spoke Zarathustra, referring to the ancient Persian prophet Zoroaster, as the prophet of his philosophy.[1]

Nietzsche held very high interest and respect for Persians. For example, where he speaks about the Persian notion of history and cyclical Eternal Time, he writes: "I must pay tribute to Zarathustra, a Persian, for Persians were the first who thought of history in its full entirety." and further adds: ""It was much more fortunate if Persians became masters (Herr) of the Greeks, than the very Romans."

But Nietzsche was also influenced by Persia's post-Islamic writers as well. In his notebooks, Nietzsche uses an anecdote from Sa'di's Gulistan. La Fontaine also drew from Sa'di's Gulistan, basing his Le songe d'un habitant du Mogol on chapter 2:16, as did Diderot, Voltaire, Hugo and Balzac, all of whom referred to Sa'di's works in their writings.

Hafiz, represented Nietzsche a prime example of Dionysian ecstatic wisdom, which he extolls so extensively in his philosophy. Goethe's admiration for Hafiz and his "Oriental" wisdom, as expressed in the West-östlischer Divan, has been the main source of attracting Nietzsche's interest in this Persian poet. There is even a short poem in Nietzsche's Collected Works, entitled An Hafis. Frage eines Wassertrinkers (To Hafiz: Questions of a Water Drinker).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_literature_in_Western_culture

 

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July 28 2012, 2:34 AM 

good post Mehran

maybe in the future if Iran takes over much of what is now Turkey we will see more cooperation on cultural matters between Greece and Iran

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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 28 2012, 3:10 AM 

"maybe in the future if Iran takes over much of what is now Turkey we will see more cooperation on cultural matters between Greece and Iran"

I really love his work, this dude has a PhD in trolling!

 
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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 28 2012, 3:38 AM 

this dude has a PhD in trolling!

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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 28 2012, 3:47 AM 

I have not posted something on this forum since weeks since this pissing contest is too amusing. But its time again to leave a German reply to all the Turkish - Greek crap going on here lately.



German school band singing the song "Alcohol" happy.gif

Since we likely wont drop Greece but invest billions its appropriate to add some positive energy isnt it ? :D

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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 28 2012, 4:00 AM 

LMAO! This is too funny. Griks are confused about who to beg to attack Turkey so that perhaps they can finally feel at least SOME relief about 500 years of bondage in the hands of the barbarian Turk. Now it seems it's Iran's turn.

Grik mentality since 1821: Any foreign nation can rule over the Griks but Turks. happy.gif

 



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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 28 2012, 4:00 AM 

maybe in the future if Iran takes over much of what is now Turkey

You should take it, we insist. We have no designs on land that you claim rights to. That would be rude. wink.gif

Besides, we're kind of busy with the US and Israel. :/

 


 
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Re: Neitzsche on the Greeks "in comparison to the Greeks everyone else is a shrivelled copy&quo

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July 28 2012, 4:04 AM 

corpus relax.. you sound like a little whore begging for attention.. why dont you go a strawl to nearby little troubled nations to implore for an apology instead?



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July 28 2012, 4:10 AM 

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like for instance this turkish man is clearly waiting for an apology from this naive turist



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July 28 2012, 4:27 AM 

Nah, I think I'll go take a dump on my nearest illegally occupied Grik island instead. I hear no Grik is coming to reclaim it. happy.gif

 

 



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July 28 2012, 7:58 AM 

you see even Turks finally admit it ^^^

Cyprus is 100% Greek and illegally occupied

self-ownage at its best

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July 29 2012, 1:14 PM 

well, he actually said somethinhg even more disturbing:
Definition der Germanen: gehorsam und lange Beine
definition of the germanic Nation: obedient and long legs...
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