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Poll: which country in this world begged the most historically?

August 4 2012 at 3:25 PM

WAFFer  (Login hiddenwolf)

I have an interesting question for the members of this forum.

which country in this world begged the most historically in terms of economy, military, socially, etc? Which country relies the most on the d**k of others?

In other words, which country begs the most historically and still to this day? Only pick one country and explain why..

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While his own people starving, he escaped Greece to live a Greek life while his own people are starving like African Arabs
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Future of Greece:

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Rise of Aegean taliban
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Leaked picture of Crete George:
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Crete Revenge
(Login cretegeorge)
Hellenic Hoplites (Greece)

Re: Poll: which country in this world begged the most historically?

August 4 2012, 3:34 PM 

Turks and Pakis on military equipment thats for sure...

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Turkey is not like China. Turkey is, just like Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal.


(Login Dienekis)
Hellenic Hoplites (Greece)

TurdGay of course:

August 4 2012, 3:40 PM 

Turkey, a country of beggars:

Anatolian 'beggar villages' send professional street kids to Istanbul

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Sunday, January 17, 2010 ISTANBUL

The brutalized 5-year-old tissue seller Bedrettin has put street children back on Turkey's agenda. Children who either live on the street or are put to work there by their families are not being helped properly or in a lasting way, says an expert. Begging or selling small items such as tissues or bottled water on the street are the main sources of income for some villages in Anatolia

The Jan. 11 discovery of 5-year-old Bedrettin, beaten to within an inch of his life for entering the territory of older kids while selling tissues, has brought street children back to the forefront in Turkey.

Bedrettin has been saved from the streets for the moment, since he will be taken from his family and helped by the Social Services and Child Protection Agency, or SHÇEK, but experts say there are many more where he came from.

Children who are begging or selling cheap products such as tissues or bottled water in the streets are generally from certain villages; two in Adana, and one each in Konya and Ýzmit, a sociologist from SHÇEK, who wished to remain anonymous, explained to Serkan Ocak from daily Radikal. The same families come [to Istanbul] constantly. They divide the year between themselves; a group comes for six months and the other one comes afterward, the sociologist said. The ones who remain handle the affairs in the villages. The group that comes to Istanbul definitely brings the children of the remaining group with them and organizes the begging.

According to the sociologist, families divide the city into territories. The place they stay in Istanbul is usually Suriçi at Topkapý, but they might also stay in tents in the territory where they work. Their numbers increase in summer. For example, in July, 250 children are being collected from the street in one day. They should just fix Adana, [then] everywhere would be fixed. They would not come to Istanbul again.

The legal procedure

The sociologist said there are three teams in Istanbul, two for the European and one for the Asian side, patrolling 24 hours for a day, looking for street children and taking them to the Juvenile Police Department. Their families are called and they come to take their children. The family receives three warnings; then if it happens again, they get fined for all three times under the misdemeanor law, the sociologist said, explaining the legal procedure. Afterward, a criminal complaint is filed and the court decides either to assign a stipend to the family or take the child into protection.

This stipend, however, is only 700 Turkish Liras, while a child might earn 5,000 liras on the streets. Ninety-nine percent of the families know about their children working. That means they make them work, the SHÇEK sociologist added.

Most of the children working or begging on the streets quit school in their first or second year. According to the sociologist, a child selling tissues in Istanbuls Sultanahmet district might make 100 liras in one day; during the month of Ramadan, the daily income of a professional street child might increase to 250 liras. I know people who pay 100 liras for a tissue, the sociologist said, criticizing such practices. The ones who give money to the children imprison them to the streets.

Difficulty solving the problem

The most important problem is that the children cannot be defined, said the SHÇEK sociologist, describing three types of children on the streets. One is the glue-sniffers, who have no ties left to their families, live in packs and take care of their needs on their own. A second group is made up of candidate street children they have minimal interaction with their families, but mostly live on the streets. The third group comprises the children who work on the streets by selling goods or begging.

The sociologist said the service system for street children has been implemented for five years, but that there are problems with it because the program is not officially defined as one of the fundamental duties of the government. It is carried out by hired help whose contract might or might not be renewed every six months, they have no insurance and often have problems paying their own bills. They generally collect kids from the streets without a police escort and receive no help from SHÇEK when they get hurt, the sociologist said.

The beggar villages of Adana

Þükran Pakkan from daily Milliyet visited the hometown of little Bedrettin, Kozan Village in Adana, which is also known as the village of beggars. The residents do not call what they do begging, saying instead that they are finding a philanthropist for themselves. The first family ever to go to Istanbul to beg left 15 years ago. Since then, many have followed this path, which has proved to be quite profitable.

The news about Bedrettins family losing custody of him has caused panic in the village. Residents do not want to speak to strangers and can hardly be convinced to do so. Our relatives go to Istanbul to work, said Bedrettins grandmother Hatice, the eldest member of the family. When asked what type of work begging is, a young man answered instead: Look, I saw you on the road; I asked for a cigarette, you gave it to me. I asked for a light, you gave it. Now, did I take your cigarette by force?

This was given as an example of finding a philanthropist.

On the streets

There are almost 4,000 street children in Istanbul, a figure that increases during the summer months, according to last years figures announced by the Istanbul Provincial Directorate of Social Services.

In 2009, children who were discovered to be working on the streets were involved in 10,741 legal proceedings. Just 400 of these children were taken into the dormitories of the Directorate of Social Services. The others were returned to their families.

There are three centers founded for the rehabilitation of street children in Istanbul, though efforts to increase the number to 10 are ongoing. Children who live on the streets and are forced to commit crimes are first rehabilitated at the Children and Youth Center in Aðaçlý, which currently houses 70 children. The centers in Ayvansaray and Küçükbakkalköy are used as first-step stations where childrens immediate shelter, bath and food needs are met. Children who are found to be working on the streets are taken from their families and brought to the 75th Year Children and Youth Center in Beyoðlu.

According to the Law of Offenses, the penalty for making children work on the streets is 143 Turkish Liras. People who buy goods or services from the children forced to work on the streets are also subject to the same penalty.


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Quoting a Turkish forumer:
"It's a well known fact that most of the boys or girls living in south-eastern Turkey are losing their virginities to horses or dogs of their villages, so I don't think this will suprise any Turk in this forum; we are used to these kinda news..."


Crete Revenge
(Login cretegeorge)
Hellenic Hoplites (Greece)

Re: Poll: which country in this world begged the most historically?

August 4 2012, 3:45 PM 

See what I have found...

US continues flow of arms to Pakistan while poverty and anger grows

The United States has provided over $25 billion in direct overt aid and military reimbursements to Pakistan since 9/11 according to updates released by the US Congress Research Service to a report released in April this year. Of this, nearly $17 billion has been under various security related programs and over $8 billion for economic support programs.

These figures do not include Coalition Support Funds (CSF), given by US Pentagon to its allies in various wars, for the current year. Congress had approved $1.69 billion for CSF this year and in the past Pakistan has received more than three-quarters of the annual CSF allocation. Also not included are Counter-Narcotics funds which are given on the basis of actual expenditure.
Several experts and analysts in the US have suggested that improving the dismal economic condition of Pakistan would be of more use in fighting the Taliban and other extremists rather than giving arms.

Pakistan is described in the CRS report as "a poor, fragile, and insecure state". Pakistan's estimated per capita GDP of $2,792 (at purchasing power parity) in 2011 ranks it 136th of 183 world countries (by comparison, the U.S. figure is $46,860 and India's, with seven times as many citizens as Pakistan, is $3,703), the report says. From 2008 to 2010 the country experienced aggregate inflation of nearly 50% against GDP growth of less than 13%. Describing Pakistan's education sector as "among the world's least effective", the report says that it's government devotes less than 2% of GDP to education and nearly one-quarter of primary school age children have no formal education of any kind. The energy infrastructure is so overburdened that chronic electricity shortages result in rolling

blackouts lasting 10 or more hours per day, even in vital business centers such as Karachi, says the report. Potable water shortages are widespread, and a dilapidated health sector provides insufficient access to basic health services.

The U.S. National Counter terrorism Center reports there were an average of more than 26 terrorist attacks each week in Pakistan in 2011; only Afghanistan and Iraq suffered a higher number of incidents.

However, several opinion polls quoted in the report suggest that US is viewed unfavourably by more than three quarters of Pakistanis.

After several bilateral spats including the killing of Osama bin Laden, the killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers in an attack by US forces in Afghanistan, refusal by Pakistan to allow Nato supplies to transit through Pakistani territory and others, the US-Pak relationship cooled down considerably since mid-FY2011. This has slowed the pace of transfers and deliveries considerably, says the CRS report.

In July 2011, the Pentagon suspended payment of $440 million under Pakistan Counterinsurgency Fund (PCF) after Pakistan kicked out all US military trainers in the ongoing bilateral meltdown. These allocations do not appear to be deducted from the figures given in the report.

Major U.S. arms sales and grants to Pakistan since 2001 have included items useful for counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations, along with a number of big ticket platforms more suited to conventional warfare, the report said. In dollar value terms, the bulk of purchases have been made with Pakistani national funds, but U.S. grants have

eclipsed these in recent years. The Pentagon reports total Foreign Military Sales agreements with Pakistan worth about $5.4 billion for FY2002-FY2010 (in-process sales of F-16 combat aircraft and related equipment account for about half of this).

US has provided Pakistan with nearly $2.75 billion in Foreign Military Financing

Here a source for understand better, I don't want to know how much the Turks get black under the table.

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Turkey is not like China. Turkey is, just like Italy, Greece, Spain and Portugal.


(Login hiddenwolf)

Re: Poll: which country in this world begged the most historically?

August 4 2012, 4:34 PM 

More hints:

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(Login Rafen)
Imperium Europeum (Europe)

Re: Poll: which country in this world begged the most historically?

August 4 2012, 5:44 PM 

Neither Greece nor Turkey...
Germans are the biggest beggars of the 20th century. (If you wonder why read this articlehttp://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/economic-historian-germany-was-biggest-debt-transgressor-of-20th-century-a-769703.html )

Historically I'd say Spain. Times they defaulted: (1557, 1575, 1596, 1607, 1627, 1647, 1809, 1820, 1831, 1834, 1851, 1867, 1872, 1882, 1936-1939)


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