Does Greece belong to Europe or Middle-east? I want to talk about whether or not Greece should be grouped with Europeans or Middle-easterners in the broadest sense of the word.

First of all, their music is Turkish, not European

Greek food is Middle-eastern, not European

Greek work ethic is Arab, just like Arabs they don't like to work a good day of work from 8 to 5. Greek work ethic is not European

Greek economy is getting to look more and more like Arab economy, like Arabs Greeks will live of off oil and natural resources, not earn their money like Europeans

Greek physical appearance is not European. Most of them look African Arab, leventine Arab, some even Indian or Gypsy and small number of Greeks look Anatolian Turkish because of population exchange. Absolutely not European.

Etc, etc, feel free if I missed other aspects of Greeks..

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Doesn't he look like a fakin Indian?



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His body guards look pretty white to me though. Party leader is definitely ugly.



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Turkification (Turkish: Türkleme meaning of voluntarily Turkification - Türkletirme meaning of involuntary Turkification) is a term used to describe a process of cultural or political change in which something or someone who is not a Turk becomes one, voluntarily or involuntarily. It can be used in contexts in connection with Anatolian, Balkan, Caucasian and Middle Eastern peoples from different ethnic origins, as for example: Albanians, Arabs, Armenians, Greeks, Vlachs, Jews, Roma, various Slavic peoples (such as Bosniaks and Pomaks), Iranian peoples (Kurds, Zazas), as well as Lazs from all the regions of Ottoman Empire and Iran. Another meaning of the term includes the earlier assimilative processes of many of the indigenous peoples in Anatolia. They occurred through religious conversion, cultural and language assimilation, and most importantly, to strengthen these notions, genetic contribution during the time of the Seljuk Empire.

The word Türk was used only referring to Anatolian villagers back in the 19th century. The Ottoman elite identified themselves as Ottomans, not usually as Turks.[10][11] In the late 19th century, as European ideas of nationalism were adopted by the Ottoman elite, and as it became clear that the Turkish-speakers of Anatolia were the most loyal supporters of Ottoman rule, the term Türk took on a much more positive connotation.[12] During Ottoman times, the millet system defined communities on a religious basis, and a residue of this remains in that Turkish villagers will commonly consider as Turks only those who profess the Sunni faith, and will consider Turkish-speaking Jews, Christians, or even Alevis to be non-Turks.[13] On the other hand, Kurdish-speaking or Arabic-speaking Sunnis of eastern Anatolia are often considered to be Turks.[14] The imprecision of the appellation Türk can also be seen with other ethnic names, such as Kürt, which is often applied by western Anatolians to anyone east of Adana, even those who speak only Turkish.[13] Thus, the category Türk, like other ethnic categories popularly used in Turkey, does not have a uniform usage. In recent years, centrist Turkish politicians have attempted to redefine this category in a more multi-cultural way, emphasizing that a Türk is anyone who is a citizen of the Republic of Turkey.[15] Now article 66 of the Turkish Constitution defines a "Turk" as anyone who is "bound to the Turkish state through the bond of citizenship".

The region of the Anatolia represents an extremely important area with respect to ancient population migration and expansion, and the spread of the Caucasian, Semitic, Indo-European and Turkic languages, as well as the extinction of the local Anatolian languages. During the late Roman Period, prior to the Turkic conquest, the population of Anatolia had reached an estimated level of over 12 million people.[16][17][18] The extent to which gene flow from Central Asia has contributed to the current gene pool of the Turkish people, and the role of the 11th century invasion by Turkic peoples, has been the subject of several studies. These studies conclude that local Anatolian groups are the primary source of the present-day Turkish population.[19] DNA results suggests the lack of strong genetic relationship between the Mongols and the Turks despite the historical relationship of their languages.[20]

Anatolians do not significantly differ from other Mediterranean populations, indicating that while the Asian Turks carried out an invasion with cultural significance (language and religion), the genetic significance is only weakly detectable.[21] Recent genetic research has suggested the local Anatolian origins of the Turkic Asian peoples might have been slight.[22] These findings are consistent with a model in which the Turkic languages, originating in the Altai-Sayan region of Central Asia and northwestern Mongolia, were imposed on the indigenous peoples with relatively little genetic admixture, possible example of elite cultural dominance-driven linguistic replacement.[23] These observations also may be explained by Anatolia having the lowest migrant/resident ratio at the time of Turkic migrations. Analysis suggested that, genetically, Anatolians are more closely related also with Balkan populations than to the Central Asian populations.[24][25] Analogical results have been received in neighbouring Caucasus region by testing Armenian and Turkic speaking Azerbaijani populations, therefore representing language replacements, possibly via elite dominance involving primarily male migrants.[26] In conclusion, today the major DNA components in Anatolian population are shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations and contrast with only a minor share of haplogroups related to Central Asian, South Asian and African affinity, which supports the language replacement hypothesis in the region


The process of forced Turkification started with the first years of the republic with the "Citizen speak Turkish" campaign which aimed at forcing Turkish as the sole language of education and culture. A "names and surnames law" in 1934 was passed that required everyone in the republic to replace their original names with turkified ones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkification



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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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Oh, right, Panos heavy weight wikipedia spartan jedi warrior has joined the fight. Fackin gypsy convert of 1821 talking about converts... LOL

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i know that i but hurt you all the time,but wiki is better than just pure trolling,turkified convert commonly as bastard...



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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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What an inferiority complex demonstrated once again by hiddenwolf.
You are confirming that the dream of most Turks is to look like this



So kid is this guy Turkish or not...




Power through Knowledge
"I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."
Nikos Kazantzakis

Wow, Greeks are more insecure about their origins than I thought. First of all learn your history. Secondly Ataturk was Albanian and Turkmen. No way he was Greek. Today Greeks look like fackin middle-eastern Grease monks.

Additionally You Greeks are not even real Greeks since your identity has been formed in 1821 by UK. There were no Greeks before 1821, so you are the one who is convert, not Turks. Most Greeks are baptized slavs, gypsies, albanians, gypsies and other left-overs.

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First of all, their music is Turkish, not European:
You know nothing about Greek music





Greek food is Middle-eastern, not European:
We don't like Sauerkraut, can you blame us?



Greek work ethic is not European:
Greeks work 48% more hours than Germans



Greek economy is getting to look more and more like Arab economy:
Greek EEZ



Greek physical appearance is not European:



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Greece is a hubrid. Greece was never fully westernised but it has a lot of western
values. Actually Greece is a hybrid of Europe-Balkans and middle east.

On the other hand Turkey has very little common values with Europe and the western world.
Greece is a more westernised Turkey and Turkey is a more eastern Greece.

Double post.

Even if Greece works the most in Europe, which is definately not true if you look at Germany and how hard they work and produce. It is hard to believe that. Greeks work more than Germans? LOL, do you believe that? Even if that is true, you are unproductive as f, I guess Greeks eat out of their nose when working while they have one hand up their own ***? Why is Greece in financial crises if they work the hardest?

Secondly, in Greece there is a lot of corruption, Greeks didn't pay tax the last 10 years, and they continue to do this. A person with self-love and for his nation wouldn't do this. Arabs are also like this, they lack sense of national unity.

Thrirdly

You give her as example of European Greek? She looks like an Egyptian. Your other pictures are cherry picked.

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"Greece is a hubrid. Greece was never fully westernised but it has a lot of western
values. Actually Greece is a hybrid of Europe-Balkans and middle east.

On the other hand Turkey has very little common values with Europe and the western world.
Greece is a more westernised Turkey and Turkey is a more eastern Greece."

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Are you serious I thought you were one of the smartest Greeks here? Do you know anything about Turkish work ethic? About low corruption and tax low avoidance? If you compare Greece to Turkey, Turkey looks like Germany and Greece like Arabia. That is the truth.

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"Do you know anything about Turkish work ethic? About low corruption and tax low avoidance?"

Are you fvcking serious? You really are an ignorant or stupid if you really believe that.
I suggest you talk with Turks who live in Turkey. Google also "Turkey corruption" and "Turkey tax evasion".


Power through Knowledge
"I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."
Nikos Kazantzakis

Sorry noone in the middle east is bankrupt, not even war-torn Iraq. Griks are definately worse then the middle east.

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Why is Greece in problems and other not you moron? Everybody knows about Greek tax avoidance. It is your national sport.

Greeks only talent is to point at others. Stop pointing at others, your country is a chit hole.

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Have I said anything about Greece?
You on the other side beeing the stupid kid your are said this delusional sentence "Do you know anything about Turkish work ethic? About low corruption and tax low avoidance?"

Low corruption & tax evasion...where?....in Turkey


Power through Knowledge
"I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."
Nikos Kazantzakis

Africa, next to somalia, since they suffer from the same things. At least the somalies are honest people, but even they dont like to work..

In Turkey it is normal to work from 8 to 5 and nobody will complain about it.

I have talked to a Turkish businessmen that has projects in the middle-east and he says Arabs don't like to work from 9 to 5. Greeks are just like this.

That is why he brings Turkish workers to his project since he can't find men that work hard.

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'Wow, Greeks are more insecure about their origins than I thought. First of all learn your history. Secondly Ataturk was Albanian and Turkmen.'

Do you have any sourche about your theses? Are there any reliable historical source can you show, he was half albenian? His mother and father's ancestors came from Konya and both of them were Yoruk Turkmen. Atuturk's cousins still live in Macedonia and they interview about Ali Riza Efendi was a Turk and they only spoke Turkish. Secondly I pay tax between 1100 and 1300 TL per month + 500 TL for my car tax per year+ 18% value added tax, most expensive liquid fuel in the world. If Turkiye has low taxes, I think I live in another planet such as jupiter.

yes there are also turkey but the greeks has gone too far in this regard. all civils working to goverment.
but not working. working half-time and siesta. luxury villa in the territory of the state. oohh ohh eating eating. Greek politicians cringing and rambling country. blah blah blah...yes greeks in the Middle East.

"In Turkey it is normal to work from 8 to 5 and nobody will complain about it."


Sure nobody complains because they know what happens to the ones who do...


Turkish Airlines faces international sackings backlash

"...Background
Earlier this year a member of Turkey's ruling AKP party proposed a bill to parliament that would deny civil aviation workers the widely internationally respected right to withdraw their labour. Turkey already has stringent legislation in place that hugely restricts normal workers' and trade union rights. The proposal came as the Hava-Is trade union was about to embark on a lawful strike, following a breakdown in negotiations with Turkish Airlines (THY).

THY is run by the Turkish government and is a member of the Star Alliance group which brings together 27 airlines worldwide, including Air Canada, Lufthansa, Singapore Airlines and US Airways.

The AKP government rushed the legislation through as an amendment that was passed on 30 May, approved by the president on June 2, and took effect on June 3.

Hava-Is members who wanted to protest against the proposed strike ban were left with little option for taking industrial action. So, before it came into force they took one day's sick leave. In response THY sacked them by text message, phone or email. Three hundred and five of themlost their jobs. THY also plans to take Hava-Is to court in what the union believes is an attempt to destroy it.

The sacked workers and Hava-Is are continuing to protest against the airline's attacks. It is clear that Turkey's increasingly authoritarian government has no intention of respecting its international obligations when it comes to workers' and union rights.Tellingly, the AKP member responsible for the strike ban recently admitted that he was acting under instructions from Turkish Airlines management..."

http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thread/1342877790/Turkish+Airlines+faces+international+sackings+backlash


Power through Knowledge
"I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free."
Nikos Kazantzakis

Hellenic brothers try to be gentle with the turks, keep in mind that they are the North Koreans of the middle east. Brainwasht for generations!


Turks the North Koreans of the middle east

First, if there is a European nation in the world that's Hellas since even the name Europe is Hellenic (Europe was a Hellenic female)

Second,



Third,

Since when is Greece hellenic?

Who were Greeks before 1821? What is hellenic about you? Fake illegitimate country with fake history.

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