You gotta hand it to those Koreans.. 50 years ago they were a rural and agricultural society and economy.. and now their building Main Battle Tanks.. crappy ones, but MBT none the less..
Bravo..
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Side protections etc. are probably left out on purpose, this first prototype is still not finished her purpose is road tests only, namely testing of tracks, gear, engine, suspansion etc. so all of those beauty accesoires are unnecesarry at the moment.
Prototype 2 will be used for firing tests
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August 18 2012, 9:28 AM
'It looks like it was chitted out by the world's ugliest tank.'
The worst tank designs belong to russians and indians. If you don't like Altay's design you should go to ophthalmologist.
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- turret overhang over frontal glacis. this is not only aesthetic, but also dumb when the turret rotates, making it overhang over the sides.
- the mantlet. i have critisized this before. maybe i have an outdated concept of armor layout but i think this should be either vertical (straight) or edgy-sharp like leopard 2a6. also unfortunate from creates shot traps, which will make shots ricochet into upper hull...(that lowest slope on the turret. the german king tiger of ww2 had a similar problem with its prototype turret)
- the frontal unsloped part. again i dont know how outdated my image of armour is but sloped is always better.
- general size. the turret covers the whole vehicle, making it look like a tank destroyer hellcat or even worse like one of those funny m8 gun system light tanks. either that or the turret is large.
whatever it is, its still 55 tons...leo 2 is atleast 60-65 and abrams is nearly 70
this should give an edge in mobility but will most certainly mean compromises in classic, passive armor (we have no DU armor)
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This is just a prototype you stupid bankrupt Yunan cunts, can't you read the title?
This tank will be your biggest arse-fear (by the looks of it, it already is )
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August 18 2012, 1:22 PM
This is a Mobility Test Rig, its only purpose is to test the tracks/engine/transmission therefore its normal not to have side-skirts and front panels etc.
Also the turret is the same as the one shown in IDEF, its just a fake mock-up.
The real Altay will be like this:
Cabatli had posted detailed 3D drawings showing the interior layout of the tank and the hull and turret where exactly the same design as the picture above, it had nothing to do with the IDEF mock-up and the mobility test rig shown in this thread.
IF the real Altay looks like this test rig mock-up THAN I will have to agree with the Greeks, it will be a piece of shtt.
But hopefully it will be the nice 3D design that we first saw.
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you shouldnt base a main battle tank on the base of its looks... lol
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August 18 2012, 1:55 PM
Looks are important bro. I know tanks are not cars and don't have to look cool and attractive but I'm talking about creating a 'sensible' design.
If you make a sensible design it will automatically look good anyway. Then you can just make changes according to your design preferences but the overall shape will look good.
Abrams, Leo1, Leo2, T-80, K2, they all look good. Even M-48 and M-60 look good because they are all sensible designs, they have good proportions.
has no sense at all. No part of it makes sense. It has no cohesion, no proper proportions, its just a messy design with pieces added together that don't match each other.
If Otokar makes the final Altay look like this than it will be one of the worst designs of the Turkish military industry.
But I'm hoping the real Altay will be this:
The ugly version of Altay is just a fake mock-up because the detailed design work is being carried out on the better looking one, S&H magazine No:149 page 12 we can see the details.
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Who is going to look at how cool you look on the battle field? Don't be that naive. We need to have the last word on the battlefield, not look cool. Altay will be as powerful as the forces of nature for the Greeks when they get out of line. They don't have anything to counter this. If they look for a fight and somebody to put them out of their financial misery we will be glad to do what is needed.
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Compare the people standing around this mock-up and it's general size:
Then compare it to the new picture of the prototype. The new one looks smaller. Almost like a light tank. Take a look at the man sitting in the turret. His head is huge. There is something really strange about the picture. I'm guessing it is a photoshop of 3 pictures, (the chassis, the turret, the man in the turret). Yes, it looks very ugly. Tha chassis looks 1940s vintage.
Hellas? Hell YES!
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Count the number of wheels it has genius, yup you got it right that's 7 wheels in all motion. All 7 wheels coming right at you in shadow of the night creeping up behind your *** and shooting its barrel in your Gayreek anus.
Kamil bro correct me if I am wrong but I believe there's expected to be four functioning prototypes in total before they commence work for any serious serial production.. am i right?
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Ok, maybe the angle of the picture is bad. I notice now the chassis does appear longer. At first the back looked as if was cut off above the rear wheel and the turret extended on top of the engine. But now I see it was due to the green paint blending with the grass in the background giving it an illusion of being chopped off at the back. Well, good camouflage Turks...
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In 10-15 years maybe you will realize that you have build a tank. After Turks start to compare LEO 2HEL with her indigenous toy, but I am sure nobody will think the German tank is a 20 year older technology. Thats mean like I buy a car today and in 20 years you say to me, my car is better because have better projection, LoL. I can say only one think to the Turks if you want compare, look one eye on that time Germans top model LEO 2A9 and after compare what you compiled.
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yea it just looks little bit different without the side skirts and all
would be great if Azerbaijan and Turkey establish a join production of Altay and Atak heli
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We have a couple of companies producing bicycles.
The biggest is Ideal. With a production of 140000 bicycles per year and exports to over 20 countries (including Turkey) it is one of the biggest and most popular brands in Europe.
Teams
In its first year as a professional team the Team Volksbank started as Volksbank-Ideal. The swiss/lettonian team Rietumu Bank-Riga is sponsored by Ideal and begun as Rietumu Bank-Riga-Ideal. Several mountain-bike teams have won international titles on Ideal bikes: [1]:
Ideal Bikes Team
Team Emmedue
Team Zwillingscraft
Team Biking Cyprus
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1.^ See also "Teams" onhttp://www.idealcyklar.se/
Anthropos.....I noticed you have a picture of a carbon fiber road bike from Ideal, yet their video only shows them manufacturing aluminum bikes, you would think if they had the capability to produce a carbon fiber frame they would show it. The fact is Ideal probably doesnt make their carbon fiber frames and buys them from China and assembles them in Greece, quite an achievement!
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whatever you say man...if you think the (naked) turret of a t-80 looks better then its your way..also you say m-60 looks protortionally good lol with its bubble turret? nah!
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I am sorry to disappoint some people here, but their HYUNDAI tank is basically the Korean K2 design, which the Turks will hopefully screw up with their indigenous "improvements".
It has as much relation to the Turkish defence industry, as KOREANA group had to the ROLLING STONES.
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
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Yeah yeah whatever, we don't mind GY once we seal bln contracts with some countries selling these tanks In the meanwhile back in Greece you will be chewing on a tree bark.
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Yeah yeah whatever, we don't mind GY once we seal bln contracts with some countries selling these tanks In the meanwhile back in Greece you will be chewing on a tree bark.
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They do not have a final prototype yet, it has not passed the tests of the Turkish Army, and yet they dream about exports!
Their recent failures (Panter howitzer, RASAT satellite, ASELFLIR on Herons) should have taught them some humility.
Ah, those crazy Turks.Always overoptimistic!
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"The Turkish Cypriots looted, robbed and ravaged Greek Cypriot properties. They must start producing instead of being mere consumers. The Turkish Cypriots wanted to live without working!"
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"idiot man is struggling to prove who can produce a bcycle under Turkish Tank Altay Topic"
LoL "idiot man" Lol
You idiot man I merely responded to a false claim from your compatriot with proof that it is false. If you care about the Altay tank then write something clever about it and try to understand posts in their context before expressing your disapproval; to put it politely. I am in a good mood today
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@Turka
I have translate for you in Turkish
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Re: Altay MBT Initial Prototype
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August 19 2012, 9:56 AM
the first altay wont look so good but over the years it will look much better in the future, take the Russian T model tanks they looked so ugly but after many years and years of research the russians perfected it with intimidating looks.
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Their recent failures (Panter howitzer, RASAT satellite, ASELFLIR on Herons) should have taught them some humility.
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GY, do you get dumber by the day or what is it, malnutrition effects?
- Panter howitzer, though a failure still gave us knowhow
- RASAT satellite is a university project, lightyears ahead of Grik universities
- ASELFLIR itself is succesfull, Juice however failed to achieve promissed specs on Heron-> juice fail
Just be honest for a change and tell us which of the 2 countries are progressing: Greece or Turkey?
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"- ASELFLIR itself is succesfull, Juice however failed to achieve promissed specs on Heron-> juice fail"
No promises: Jews warned the Turks that the indigenous toys are to heavy for Heron specifications. Turks go further with extortion and to finish the project. The results was engines running at high speed because of higher weight and overheat with damages, also no possible to rich the right altitude because of all the matters.
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BabyBeach (Login BabyBeach) The Conquerors (Turkey)
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August 19 2012, 10:18 AM
Contrary the negative commends of my compatriots, I loved the naked looking our first prototype Altay very much. Also this is not a beauty contest.
What i wonder is will Turkish Army order Add-On armors?
Nutuk was being sarcastic you moron. He only meant that you guys produce nothing close to a tank and yet have the nerves to criticize our Altay production. Your response is only the proof of your inferiority complex Yunan boy. Now kindly **** off from this all-military thread and start your own thread about the uber super high tech Yuan-bicycles LOL
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Stupid the sentence "Good advice: start building a bicycle first!" is not sarcastic at all.
Are you maybe in Nutuk's head and know what he is thinking but not putting into words?
Now shut the fvck up if you don't want more responses from me.
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You don't even realize how stupid you look by responding to a tank production thread with your shity country's bicycle production. And you went in as far as to explain the brands to us LOL what a moron.
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You guys are wasting your time here with these Yunan-weaklings. tam dangalak lan bunlar.
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"idiot man is struggling to prove who can produce a bcycle under Turkish Tank Altay Topic"
@ Mustafa my retarded friend
Greeks have already produce under license the German LEO 2HEL tank, in opposite you develop right now a Turkish "Hyundai K2 tank" also under license, so?
The Leopard 2 HEL program contributed significantly to improve the local industry, transferring technology to some 20 industries. KMW established its Hellenic Defense Vehicle Systems (HDVS) subsidiary in Volos, for the production of armor protection, suspension systems and other components. Also in Volos, METKA is responsible for welding and machining of steel parts. ELBO SA in Thessaloniki is responsible for the integration and assembly of the tanks. Intracom is responsible for the electronics and optronics systems.
http://www.defense-update.com/events/2006/summary/defendory-afv.htm
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Leopard NG with IBD armor is expensive, so to upgrade 339 Turkish LEO 2A4 tanks with this kind of armor will be going deep in the pocket. Leo 2 NG is like the Leopard 2 A4 Evolution, with a total weight of only 60 tons compared to 56.6 tons Leo A4, because of using the IBD armor kit.
For comparison Greek LEO 2HEL armor are better and have being tested for penetration problems by the Greek army with real shooting on a LEO 2HEL turret, so Greek LEO with better and heavier armor(Weight 62.3 tonnes) compared to IBD with the LEO NG project in Turkey.
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@ anthropos
are kidding i suppose 140.000 production bicycle a year it's nothing, i know in turkey only 3 factory are producing more than 200.000 bicycle a year. by the way we are proding not assembling.
did greeks can even pruce tyres?
sorry for my typos. we are all drunk here, you know bayram
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" what was it called , inferiority complex? only a Yunan-weakling would respond to Tank production thread with their bicycle production LOL "
I couldn't believe it myself either initially i thought surely this guy is trolling around by bringing in Grease's bicycle production capabilities to a Turkish TANK production thread but i guess now it's all out open in plain sight, HE WAS FOR FKN REAL!!!
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LoL Ataturk the serious poster LoL
You forgot to tell us if the tank is beautiful or not according to you. Do you like its green color or would you rather prefer your favorite...pink that is
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Ofcourse the tank is beautifull, what is wrong with it? Doesn't it have the make up to attract Gayriks? This is just the first proto which will be used for road test and probably mine test, so all those make up products like lights, side-skirt, cage etc. are not needed or even unwanted at the moment.
In total there will be build 5 prototypes, some will be wasted in mine and armor tests.
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If its fOr roadtests then it is probably more than logic to leave out the sideskirts in order to check the performance of the tracks and perhaps even the suspension etc. It is clearly not the end result of the tank. When i fix my motorcycle i also leave out parts during a test drive so its less work when something else needs a chamge and i can see things that need fixing directly straight away.. So lets wait and see the results firts before judging. Placing the armor etc back on is the least of the problems right now.
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