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The traitors are going to replace A7 junk with German junk

September 22 2012 at 8:37 AM
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http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55461&Itemid=139

if what the article suggests stands true and i know how much you appreciate the accuracy and excellence of defencenet, thats why i keep using it as my main source, whatever makes you happy my friends.

Then we are talking about a major treason 48 A7's we be sent to the garbagge and the Germans will sell us their own crap F4E to replace them.

Thats what happens when you elect traitors, what they will do is to ruin our economy, our armed forces and to obey their masters the Troicans and the Germans.

You brought them to power so better stick (those who did that of course) a dildo in your dirty hairy asss.

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Re: The traitors are going to replace A7 junk with German junk

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September 22 2012, 10:02 AM 

So in near future we will see F35 vs. F4E on the Aegean scene .




 
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September 22 2012, 1:23 PM 

I dont know if this piece of news is valid or not. However, I would choose F-4 ICE over A-7 anytime...

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September 22 2012, 2:51 PM 

What is wrong with the ex german F4? Even Turkey is using the F4 till the 2020ties. You guys seem to forget in what chit situation your economy is, be happy if you can get those from Germany.

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September 22 2012, 4:11 PM 

i dont know if this piece of news is true or not either, but my tactic is to take everything into consideration unless it is proved wrong with evidence.

Those traitors want to cover the gap of those 48 aircrafts replacing them with German pieces of junk which do not belong in this era and have zero capabilities fighting Turkish modern aircrafts

If they dont want to spend money in order to get decent aircrafts and they obey like traitors and slaves their masters of Troika and Germans then they should do everybody a favor (instead of commiting suicide which is too much to expect by traitors morevover i would expect from their voters to do something similar) and let things to be the way it is.

We dont need more aircrafts to cover the so called gap if they are pieces of junk and we sent our pilots to certain death in case of conflict.

The enemy is arming himself to the teeth with modern aircrafts and many other systems, and what we do is absolutely nothing , no Abrams , no modern aircrafts no facking nothing.

It is our treason and our stupidity which will make the enemy eager to declare war on us if we continue to behave like incompetent traitors and idiots and slaves of the foreigners.

This is what you voted bitches but do not complain if the Turks declare war on us to get our energy sources and they smash us during the first days of war since our fighting capabilities have been reduced in a great deal and they wil continue to do so after the succession of treacherous governments in power.

Governments that you elected, you treacherous pro memorandum and pseudosocialistic bitches.

But i will tell the truth as long as i can even if it means nothing to tell the truth in a country like Greece.

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Re: The traitors are going to replace A7 junk with German junk

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September 22 2012, 4:29 PM 

i remember a member calling himself Yannis, a pseudosocialist of course as i can recall.

He used to play the expert on military issues, when i was screaming about the need of industrialization of the country, the need to stop being depended on foreigners for our weapons, he used to talk crap about being more cheap to buy foreign equipment.

In short term it may have been but in the long term buying foreign equipment means lack of industrialization, lack of jobs, dependency upon every mother facker, rotten politicians and officials who would get briberies.

Later on it was true that i was proved 100% facking percent correct, billions were spent on weapons and no industrialization came in the country , because of no planning and because of corrupted politicians who were pocketing the money, because of the scandals etc.

While the enemy understood the value of domestic military industries and they invested heavy amounts of money which beggin to pay off and they beggin to do their first exports to built landing ships, artillery and more.

I hate to say that but midget Nutuk was 100% percent right in what he was saying and i hate it because thats bad for us, but i had told you so bitches along time ago

when you were used to spend my time talking crap about how futile was to spend on our military industries

i was the only one to support the opposite

and now see what you created with your treason and your stupidity, see what kind of Greece you created and weep idiots.

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September 22 2012, 6:13 PM 

First batch of German F4F ICE has already arrived, here is a pic of first 3 planes in Andravida...
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OMG Defencenet, Comical Ali was more credible than them.....

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September 22 2012, 9:02 PM 

Not sure what you're all complaining about, DASA F4E ICE would be quantum leap over the A7!

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September 22 2012, 9:22 PM 

Ontyseas; its interesting and disturbing to see a clever greek.

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September 22 2012, 10:18 PM 

If the turkish boot doesnt step at the straits of corinth then we wont get constantinople.
the turk must invade
a weaker greece encourages him to do so.
when the situation reaches critical mass it wont make a difference what we have nor havent,nor will it make a difference for the turk.

as regards the news,nothing should be scrapped,if anything i would be in favour of getting as many A7's as possible combat ready,go as far as to salvage what we can out of the mojave bone yard.
we have the pilots and knowhow and having them flyable will be a tremendous force of destruction.
there are other areas of defence that can absorbe a cut and downsizing and our offensive capability is not one of them.

 
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September 22 2012, 10:49 PM 


After this time, the best solution for the Greeks is to leave the EU and NATO in favor of Russia and let Russians open base in Greece.
This way you can be a little bit protected. Had the Turks accepted it would of course be much better for you to be a self-governing region of Turkey.


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Re: The traitors are going to replace A7 junk with German junk

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September 22 2012, 11:05 PM 

"If the turkish boot doesnt step at the straits of corinth then we wont get constantinople.
the turk must invade
a weaker greece encourages him to do so.
when the situation reaches critical mass it wont make a difference what we have nor havent,nor will it make a difference for the turk..."


...or so the prophecy by Aetolos Kosmosoglou claims.

Disclaimer: Aetolos Kosmosoglou cannot be held liable for any delusional disorders arising from his prophecies. Believe them at your own risk.

 
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September 22 2012, 11:11 PM 

The A-7 is obsolete.. it's slow and nor supported by any other countries but Thailand, and with no future prospects, the A-7's should be replaced from operational duties, asap.. of course the F-4, is slightly better since it can be upgradeable to a certain extent, at least more so than the obsolete A-7..

I'd rather these squadrons stay active with ancient F-4's.. than being largely, inactive token A-7 units, scouring junkyards looking for spare parts just to keep them flying.. that will eventually be disbanded if the status quo is allowed to prevail.. in this instance, the Germans are doing us a favour, assuming that defencenet isn't full of it, again..



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Nutuk
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September 22 2012, 11:25 PM 

There is ofcourse a dissapointment for the Greeks, while expecting EF2000 or at least Rafale they have to sattisfy with ex German F4's (if at all) but it is not the time for dreams.

Hard realities of the economy doesn't allow the extravagance so Greeks should be greatfull if they can maintain at least a certain amount of fighters and F4 given the infrastructure and pilotage educations ain't so bad at all as stopgap.

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September 22 2012, 11:52 PM 

Grix,

Will these F4s be for free too? Any inside reports from defencenet.gr yet?

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September 23 2012, 1:37 AM 

...He used to play the expert on military issues, when i was screaming about the need of industrialization of the country, the need to stop being depended on foreigners for our weapons, he used to talk crap about being more cheap to buy foreign equipment.

In short term it may have been but in the long term buying foreign equipment means lack of industrialization, lack of jobs, dependency upon every mother facker, rotten politicians and officials who would get briberies.

Later on it was true that i was proved 100% facking percent correct, billions were spent on weapons and no industrialization came in the country , because of no planning and because of corrupted politicians who were pocketing the money, because of the scandals etc...


dear ontyseas, i had a flashback by reading your post above as if u were describing the condition of former turkey.

kudos and my whole respect to u - despite the fact if we take your statement into account, in long term the real "enemy" of turkey are those one like u.

good for turkey that greece lacks smart thinking people with faith, honor and dignity in the government.

"irony with a lil bit truth" wink.gif

keep up your nice-to-read postings!

btw:

this is one of the many evidences that they, ur masters, got u from your balls - as a greek it must be very depressive.

to be honest, i have no pity with what happened to greece.

why?

because u don't like us turks due to what we "made to u".

but

"that", what u think of us made to u today your current masters do it with the "tie" to u.

the difference is

we are "muslims", they are "christians" (better: "non-muslims"):

i for myself would say better a "gavur" kills me than a so called "muslim" (brother). i think u got the point.

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last but not least:

for sure they are not your brother - and greeks are, rather were(!), nothing but their watchdog against us turks.

we know what they, ur masters, really fear.




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September 23 2012, 8:24 AM 


ITS NOT JUST A7s BUT WHOLE LOT...


http://haber.gazetevatan.com/yunan-ordusu-kuculuyor/482604/30/Manset#.UF638l3XWEw



Last-saving package, the following restrictions Greek army to go:

- 55 military bases across the country will be shut down completely.

- Military bases will be emptied, to be leased. Some will be used for illegal immigrants.

- 15 Military education facilities will be shut.

- Air Force A7 Corsair Type 47 aircraft will be retired.

- Military academies student intake will be reduced by 30 percent.

- The Greek army, the navy and the air force will be reduced within the middle and upper rank.

- 11 Navy warships Will be retired.


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September 23 2012, 8:29 AM 

Retirements are nothing special ships are retired regularly, the thing however is that Greece cannot replace them. Worse most of Greek inventory ships are close to retirement age, what will happen if Greece cannot replace those in the next 10 years imagine.

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September 23 2012, 1:12 PM 

Its very intereesting that we had some argues about F-4 vs A-7s with greeks years ago.

Forexample;

Wetgreek said; "You turks still keep unmodernised F4 operational and you talk about A7, a plane with better electronics than F4? "

CreteGeorge said;

"The A-7 first time flight 1965, we bought our "H" 1975 new and in the 90s the "E". Turks flying around with F-4 and F-5 from the 50s, so the guy who open the thread have no clue about military matters.

Just for arsclowns Turks once again, A-7E can equipment with this.

1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61 Vulcan 6-barreled gatling cannon
2× AIM-9 Sidewinder AAM
2× AGM-45 Shrike Anti-radiation missile (ARM)
2× AGM-62 Walleye TV-guided Glide bomb
2× AGM-65 Maverick
2× AGM-88 HARM
AGM-84 Harpoon
2× GBU-8 electro-optically guided Glide bomb
Autonomous Free Flight Dispenser System (AFDS)
4× LAU-10 rocket pods
Up to 30× 500 lb (227 kg) Mark 82 bombs or Mark 80 series of unguided bombs (including 3 kg and 14 kg practice bombs)
Paveway series of laser-guided bombs
Up to 4× B28 nuclear bomb/B57 nuclear bomb/B61 nuclear bombs
Low-Altitude Night Attack (LANA) pod
A-7 was also used as a tanker in numerous in-flight refueling missions."


BlueGhost said; "Araxos in Greece is the last place on the planet where you can still see venerable A-7 Corsair IIs in action. The Hellenic AF is the last operator of the charismatic SLUF, and they are still providing a key capability. "




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September 23 2012, 1:22 PM 

Romulus said; "whoever disses the A-7 is full of $hit

the A-7 in certain configurations / roles is even superior to a Block 30 F-16 "

^^ That one brilliant LMAO



So now that superior bomber is being replaced by F-4s.

I know some greek posters without dignity still wont give up and come with F-4 ICE is a better A-A fighter with extraordinary avionics than any other Turkish upgraded F-4 Terminators or F-16 Ozgur LoL.

Using any type of F-4 in a A-A role against any airforce today is the most dumbest thing but using them as the poor country's cheap bomber (stop gap) such as Terminators can still be understandable.





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September 23 2012, 4:20 PM 

"So now that superior bomber is being replaced by F-4s."

Actually I am fairly confident that the A-7 is being replaced with...budget cuts.

Also, can either Baby Beach or DELIDOLUDELIKANLI come up with a different signature? I keep thinking that Baby Beach suffers from schizophrenic episodes marked by a bout of Tourette's syndrome when you two are active in the same thread.


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September 23 2012, 6:13 PM 

"Also, can either Baby Beach or DELIDOLUDELIKANLI come up with a different signature? I keep thinking that Baby Beach suffers from schizophrenic episodes marked by a bout of Tourette's syndrome when you two are active in the same thread."

Hey tehnical compatriot of the forum owner, since im not used to go S&C forum and cry for such attempts, that doesnt mean im OK with his useless signature theft. If you have time, you can check the forum rules and apply your friend to warn that poor DDD idiot for his actions. If you dont care, Go F Urself happy.gif

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September 23 2012, 7:03 PM 

Well if you don't care enough to complain, I am certainly not going to waste my time...perhaps both you and he were involved in the creation of that adorable little creature, who knows... wink.gif

P.S. - Seriously though, why exactly is he copying your signature? (I suppose either one of you can answer that.)


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September 23 2012, 8:35 PM 

HAF is not looking for A7 replacment, HAF is downsizing 20% like the rest of the armed forces and A7 are retired without replacment, althougt they could serve up to 2015.
F4F ICE is a dedicated AMRAAM shooter, not needed presently by HAF as there are plenty of other fighters for that role. Also they are old planes without mant hours left on their airframes. Only German F4 that will come to greece is those who will be used for spareparts, for that roles their Radars and engines will be usefull to support the rest of our F4 fleet.

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F4 2020T have no serious A-A abilities, comparing them with ICE or Greek F4 is a lack of inteligence.....

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September 23 2012, 9:58 PM 

"@BB
F4 2020T have no serious A-A abilities,"

Exactly,


"comparing them with ICE or Greek F4 is a lack of inteligence"

happy.gif No one comparing them.. Lets see what i have written,




"I know some greek posters without dignity still wont give up and come with F-4 ICE is a better A-A fighter with extraordinary avionics than any other Turkish upgraded F-4 Terminators or F-16 Ozgur LoL."

^^Didnt you get the sarcasm? Your government decided to replace your A-7s with German ICE so i decided to found ex posts of yours how you all claimed A-7s are better bombers than Turkish Terminators for years. But its obvious that your traitor government think opposite with its actions if that not accurate site says interestingly true.

Also you will agree that you wont replace your A-7 A-G role squadrons with A-A role fighters so the reason of your replacement is to modernize your A-G squdrons with ex-German A-G fighters no matter how they have much more A-A capability than Turkish terminators, their primary role will be A-G missions and every intelligent person will agree that Turkish terminators have better A-G capabilities than German ICEs.

And again....,

"Using any type of F-4 in a A-A role against any airforce today is the most dumbest thing but using them as the poor country's cheap bomber (stop gap) such as Terminators can still be understandable "


Congrats to your traitor government for their decision LoL

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September 23 2012, 10:06 PM 

"P.S. - Seriously though, why exactly is he copying your signature? (I suppose either one of you can answer that.)"

Coalde, everything started in Antalya something thread and i said that DDD type people in Turkey are low level quality people and even they get the enough money, they wont be able to rise culturally due to their low level family backgrounds.. I think he felt bad, thats the reason.



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September 23 2012, 10:21 PM 


YOu confuse stuffs in your head
1)Our goverment decided nothing, some idiot from Defencenet made some news out of his arse about ICE's, no intention from Goverment or HAF to get them as operational planes.
2)NOONE claimed ever that A7 is better bomber than F4T. Comparison was with UNMODERNISED TuAF F4. Some Turks where judging HAF of still using old A7 still while at the same time TuAF was using F4 with old radars and weapons, hence the claim that A7 has better avionics than original F4E. Plus even F4T luck all these years a decent targeting pod so untill you receive ASELPOD they are not the best bomber arround.
3)ICE's have no abilities to cary modern A-G ammunition, their mission computer is old and focused only on A-A and they lack a lot of features that Greek F4 have. So a claim that ICE can be used by HAF for A-G roles it totally unfounded.
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September 23 2012, 10:29 PM 

"Coalde, everything started in Antalya something thread and i said that DDD type people in Turkey are low level quality people and even they get the enough money, they wont be able to rise culturally due to their low level family backgrounds."

What exactly is a DDD person?

As for the thread topic, I don't think any F4 has much of a chance in fight against a 4th gen fighter or above, especially above hostile territory...no matter how many upgrades you put into it, but that is merely an opinion.


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September 23 2012, 10:41 PM 

"What exactly is a DDD person? "

DDD: DeliDoluDelikanli who wants me to get raped and talking about islamic values. LoL (Well its understandable for those who talking too much about rape as a hardcore islamist...)


"As for the thread topic, I don't think any F4 has much of a chance in fight against a 4th gen fighter or above, especially above hostile territory...no matter how many upgrades you put into it, but that is merely an opinion."

I agree for F-4 in A-A role (because if you use it as an A-A fighter, that means enemy still got aircrafts) but in A-G role, with a modernization you can effectively use this old monster maybe better than some F-16 Blocks if yo totally own the skies...

But again, still its the poor country's cheap solution... Thats right..

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September 23 2012, 10:51 PM 

"DDD: DeliDoluDelikanli..."

OK, let me rephrase that...according to Google Translate DDD means "delirious young man" and well certainly our DDD exhibits signs of delirium (and perhaps serious brain injury...based solely upon his posts), I suspect there is a social context to that definition which Google Trnslate failed to provide me...perhaps you can help on that?

"I agree for F-4 in A-A role (because if you use it as an A-A fighter, that means enemy still got aircrafts) but in A-G role, with a modernization you can effectively use this old monster maybe better than some F-16 Blocks if yo totally own the skies..."

Well certainly the concept of a "bomb truck" has some tactical viability (B-52's are still in operation after all), however I fail to see the application where Turkey would have air superiority over an opponent and still require AtoG ordinance delivery...do Turkish F4's have lower operational costs than their F16 counterparts?


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September 24 2012, 12:00 AM 

His nickname analysis wont lead us somewhere but as you said its something different in Turkish language than its translation.


"Well certainly the concept of a "bomb truck" has some tactical viability (B-52's are still in operation after all), however I fail to see the application where Turkey would have air superiority over an opponent and still require AtoG ordinance delivery...do Turkish F4's have lower operational costs than their F16 counterparts? "


Whynot? Not against Greece but Turkey would exactly got "total" airsuperiority against Syria, Iran, Iraq, Armenia, Bulgaria etc.. in a short time with loses so can easyly use her modernized Terminators for thousands of targets. I have to add, Terminators had better A-G radars than every block F-16 in Turkish inventory before APG 69 (V)9 radar upgrade (CCIP) of F-16s.




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September 24 2012, 1:39 AM 

WertGayr: 4) The more time you spend in this forum the more you start speaking like ontyseas and nikiforos......you have to be carefull with that


You think Babyb1tch is any way respectable or that me or onty are anything like that ultra-nationalist Turkish idiot b1tch? But then again I distinctly remember you stooping to the low level of asking Turks of WAFF for job openings in Istanbul to be surrounded by such genocidal Turkotrash... The problem with traitors is that they will often trade in their dignity for enough cash.

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"Whynot? Not against Greece but Turkey would exactly got "total" airsuperiority against Syria, Iran, Iraq, Armenia, Bulgaria etc.. in a short time with loses so can easyly use her modernized Terminators for thousands of targets. I have to add, Terminators had better A-G radars than every block F-16 in Turkish inventory before APG 69 (V)9 radar upgrade (CCIP) of F-16s."

Well the point I am making is that the F-4's are generally considered more expensive to operate than F-16s, why not ditch them for additional F-16s and/or speeding up the CCIP program. God knows in another few months the HAF will likely have to start cutting it's F-16 fleet and will dozens of second hand F-16s for sale. wink.gif

"His nickname analysis wont lead us somewhere but as you said its something different in Turkish language than its translation."

Based on what you said, I'll just assume it means redneck or the Turkish equivalent of Chavs in the UK.




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The reason why Turkey keeps the F4's is that they can install whatever we want on the F4's, change their mission computers etc. which is not possible with the F16's (except the older block 30's) without permission.

Our SOM missile for instance is integrated first on the F4-2020T

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@You think Babyb1tch is any way respectable or that me or onty are anything like that ultra-nationalist Turkish idiot b1tch? But then again I distinctly remember you stooping to the low level of asking Turks of WAFF for job openings in Istanbul to be surrounded by such genocidal Turkotrash... The problem with traitors is that they will often trade in their dignity for enough cash.


Using the word treason-traitor on any second phrase becomes tiring Nikiforos, and now even BB start using this.
As for me, i served my country for 15 months and swore to the flag not once but twice while becoming an Officer, go find trators in other places , not here. What have you donne for your country Foris?

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"Well the point I am making is that the F-4's are generally considered more expensive to operate than F-16s, why not ditch them for additional F-16s and/or speeding up the CCIP program. God knows in another few months the HAF will likely have to start cutting it's F-16 fleet and will dozens of second hand F-16s for sale."


I dont exactly know, maybe Nutuk, Cabatli or Orko may reply but i think joint modernisation of F-4s with Israel wih tech transfer tought us how to upgrade our F-16 Block 30 Ozgur (CCIP Lite) by ourselves. Its just like the way of expensive Sabra to ===> Altay MBT period. You know, in the days of F-4 T upgrade project, we hadnt have the permission to change anything on our F-16s which were purchased by FMS credit.

BTW if Ozgur upgrade is found enough for our Airforce, i would like to see western European MLUs with Turkish Upgrade which capable to launch national munition but there is no such an intention due to high costs of F-35s in near future, i think.





"Based on what you said, I'll just assume it means redneck or the Turkish equivalent of Chavs in the UK."

I dont believe you people have something equivalent of YOBAZs like DDD in your world since mid-ages happy.gif

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look at yourself at the mirror before you talk about me idiot, it is because of people like yourself that we got to this point, people who try to find excuses in order to justify incompetence and treason and they are blind as to the achievements of our enemies.

It doesnt matter if Turkey has terminators as long as they modernize their fleet of F-16'S in big numbers and they introduce F35's, while at the same time we do a big nothing.

As i said earlier i really dont know if this piece of news is true but unlike you i dont reject anything

Moreover buying German junk greatly matches with the psychology and policies of this government which is complete inactivity and passivity, up to this moment they have done a big nothing to reinforce our armed forces and they bow their heads to the foreigners

If you dont agree with the industralization of the country that i mentioned above, if you dont agree when i say that we cannot fight modern aircrafts with pieces of junk.

If you dont agree when i say that we shouldnt bow our heads to the foreigners then go to hell you are a pseudosocialist and a promemorandum traitor and i dont even need to spend time talking to you.

My intention as i have said numerous times is not to be popular licking asses, thats tactics which belong to others, my intention is to tell the truth and bring conflict among us at the same time something necessary in order to distinguish the real patriots from the pseudosocialists

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September 24 2012, 2:48 PM 

it is really disturbing when hoplites throw words against you and they dont know what they are talking about

let me tell you something else even if we dont buy the German junk the complete inactivity of this government is enough for me and their slavish behavior to the foreigners

where is your dignity fellows? do you think that because you have lost yours long ago i have lost mine too as well?

is it a mistake that i was asking for the industrialization of the country and what we got instead was billions of Euros wasted on briberies and unsuitable equipment?

i dont have specialized knowledge concerning military issues, but i never claimed to have anyway, im a simple citizen but in order to speak the tongue of truth you dont have to be really an expert on military issues.

Just use your brains fellows, do you like Greece the way it is ?

frankly i dont, but in order to change things we need to apply self criticism to the fullest extend and punish the traitors who brought us to this point and their collaborators


Whatever i had been saying has been patriotic and im especially annoyed when pseudopatriots and pseudo officers throw words against you and they try to put into question your credibility and your patriotism

did i change a single facking iota since i entered this forum?

no, all that i had been saying is transparency, political cleansing, punishment to the traitors, industrialization and to stop the slavish behavior to the foreigners

anyway i apologize if i said something bad to the hoplites member, but if he doesnt agree with me he should tell me where, and we can have chat anytime

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September 24 2012, 5:16 PM 

Wertgayr,

You should have just kept your dumb mouth closed. That you were allowed to become an officer of any rank shows badly on the selection process -- that they don't have any criteria for patriotism or national conviction. If you are such a soft egg that you crack from an economic crisis and want to migrate to the enemy side, you have no business being allowed to command others when there could be possible life and death consequences. Show to me in what dictionary you are not being a traitor when you will immigrate to an enemy country for money? You can use a Turkish one if you want, since you may have brushed up while contemplating moving to Istanbul and even asking Waff Turks publicly on this very forum for job leads(who wish ill on Greeks and Greece everyday -- yet you would live among them because you lack dignity and are greedy).

FYI, since I highly suspect you are one of those Asia Minor Greeks, your little pet Babyb1tch constantly refers to the Turkish mythology that "Greeks swam good in 1922" and idiot Turks like her infer and mean by this the Greek army. However it was likely your civilian ancestors who swam(not mine). Just letting you know since many of you idiot Greek military geeks tend to ignore totally how Turks feel and think about you and your people.

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September 24 2012, 5:32 PM 

"However it was likely your civilian ancestors who swam(not mine)."

No, it was definitely your ancestors who were enlisted and sent to Asia Minor.

 
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September 24 2012, 5:52 PM 

Moron boy, Greek soldiers were sent back to Greece in ships in 1922. Only civilians swam in the quay of Smyrna from your mangy war criminal army. Try to use your English skills to read from books not written in a "no transparency, relentless censorship", fake secular country or by foreign authors paid by your government to repeat your official history(resmi tarih)but living abroad(Heath Lowry, Bernard Lewis, etc.). My ancestors are all Peloponnesians who have facked your Mahometan savage people since 1821 in numerous wars of liberation, they were not waiting for others to save them.

A softie like Wertgayr cracking from reduced salary or unemployment and willing to work for Turks to alleviate petty monetary suffering -- one could only imagine if he was ever captured in a war what kind of serious cracking he would do with under threat of torture and real physical suffering from your "no Geneva convention", war criminal TSK.

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i remember another one who claimed to owe a business and he joined the Turkish group because he thought that the Greek group was very rude for his taste.

And then he beggun to lecture us about Greco Turkish friendship , i mean first they betray you and then they lecture you i really cannot understand that.

He too claimed that he was an officer boasting about it, what the hell is going wrong with those guys i really dont understand, dont they feel ashamed to say that they were officers? dont they put their uniform on shame if thats true?

But again if they have felt ashamed they wouldnt be talking like traitors and pseudosocialists in the first place.

I hope that they were telling us lies because if they were telling us the truth and we have such kind of treacherous officers without any trace of patriotism then it is a miracle that we still exist as a state

But seriously guys cut this fetish crap about being former officers, you just further embarrass the uniform that you used to wear and youselves if thats true.

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Oh really?

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Turkish army were pursuing the Greek soldiers so why would civillians jump into the sea? Your British condom Greek Army was so confident about capturing Ankara that they didn't even have enough ships for transportation. Btw, don't even dare to compare Turkish War of Liberation with Greek one. Your Peloponnesian albo-gypsy ancestors were pwned for decades despite the full EURO-aid while Turks had overcome all of you just in 3 years.

 
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September 24 2012, 6:14 PM 

Onty:

Wertgayr, reminds me of that traitor Selanik from Spartan Queer's forum:
http://greekturkish.18.forumer.com/index.php?s=fcfb228dbc4d311ea6496611d21d8b1f&showuser=255

I remember confronting him also about his treason his retort was the same essentially: "I live in Greece, you don't". That is the standard reply of all the numerous Greek traitors to diaspora Greeks. The thing they don't realize is if you live somewhere you have more obligations, so it makes it worse when you are a traitor and "play for the enemy's team".

Selanik, was a Greek from Thessaloniki married to a so-called liberal Turkish girl. But pansy metapolitefsi Greek men are often so anti-nationalist, and what passes even for a "liberal Turk" is so chauvinist and nationalist that that Turkish woman took the upper hand in national issues -- he followed her lead! Probably they had some mixobarbaroi kid that the traitor raised to respect Ataturk(the Gazi, Islamic warrior slayer of Greeks to Turks -- and he slayed Selanik's Asia Minor Greek people!) for all we know.

This is especially relevant, since I suspect Wertgayr may be sucking up to Babyb1tch to court her for a free vacation or marriage. After-all he publicly advertised to Turks to help him land a job in Istanbul, so he has no compunctions with living with the enemy Turks in their hostile bandit state for a better financial situation.

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September 24 2012, 6:20 PM 

Arab2000, does that look like a photo of disorganized Greek soldiers in the Aegean Sea to you? Man you Taliban Turks are such disgusting idiots.

I wonder how low WertgayR can stoop to want to live with your kind? FYI, Wert-traitor, Toros/Arab2000, is what passes off for a well educated Turk that knows at least two languages. Imagine how the "other half lives" in a country where nearly 60% never read a single book their whole lives? But anything for money, right -- better to be an architect living a middle class to upper middle class lifestyle even if it means living amongst a war criminal group pretending to be a nation, who are most proud to genocide your people?

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September 24 2012, 6:42 PM 

I can distinguish helmets with Greek coat of arms, twisted whore.

You both provoke people to post the truth in your bitchy language and then use it for counter-provocation. Point of view of a couple of vile bastards under "Conquerors" group doesn't make any sense. Maybe that's why your pervert misconception that clashes with the common sense in your sick mind had you joined with US eagers instead of the Greek group.

 
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September 24 2012, 6:45 PM 

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well there is an alternative interpretation of the above,

"i live in Greece which is full of treason and pseudosocialism and you cannot survive in this system unless you become a traitor yourself like i do, so you dont know what is going on because you live abroad, life in Greece is to suck the blood of the others and betray everything for your own benefit thats what our politicians do, thats what the upper classes collaborating with the regime do and thats what the lower classes try to do , either you become a traitor and pseudosocialist or you wont survive for much longer, they will put you on the side accusing you of fascism, and most importantly when the others "get a share of the pie" you will be an unemployed idiot who didnt play the game of the pseudodemocrat well and the system vomited you like a rotten piece of shvit."




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September 24 2012, 7:07 PM 

Despicable idiot, To-arab2000, you wrote: "Turkish army were pursuing the Greek soldiers so why would civillians jump into the sea?" and pasted a picture with no Greek soldiers in the Aegean sea in anything but a boat let alone swimming! Yet your national mythology that passes off as history in your Nasreddin Hodja an-alphabetic nation posits that the Greek army swam in 1922. You tried to prove that national fiction showing orderly Greek troops in a picture evacuating via ships, which is what I said they did!

These are all the threads I created about your war-criminal farce of military and its contemporary history, don't try to pretend, Turkish as3hole thatjust when confronted that you are not proud for their massacre of over a hundred thousand civilians(Armenian and Greek) when Kemal's dirty, war criminal troops took over Smyrna and made civilians flee, drown or swim from the harbor:
G&T Thread: TSK, a criminal organization calling itself an Armed Forces
G&T Thread: Greek TV expose on Turkish human trafficking to Greece and Europe
Waff Europe, Mideast Defence Forum: The Turkish military and state: the premiere narco-terrorists of Europe
History, Politics & Economics Forum: Possible Turkish Genocide of Kurds based on past threat and history?
World's Armed Forces Forum: Powerful military alliance between Turkey and Sudan: war criminal states
Europe, Mideast Defence Forum: Corrupt Turkish military and state facilitate human trafficking to Europe
G&T Thread: Turkish fascist military: hiding deaths
G&T Thread: Turk Military tried to cover up the truth of hand grenade killings August 27 2009

Your despicable military never respected any civilian populations, morality or "rules of war".



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Hi onty,

You are 100% right as usual when you discuss Greek politics. From my interactions Greeks from Greece, they have a hard time knowing what treason is or isn't, because they were taught patriotism or nationalism is the worst thing for obvious reasons given the national political order. An excellent Greek analyst, George Karabelias, keenly observed that Neo-Ottomanism was formerly imposed on Greece by American or British pressure and foisted on the Greek elite, but it has now become a policy actually championed by the Greek elite and imposed on the Greek populace from top-down. This is the environment people like Wertgr were raised in their whole lives. I was born in a global superpower amongst people with a totally different mentality to national issues, makes me feel people like Wert are traitors. However, to him living in Greece, he seems merely biologically living in Greece and serving in the military precludes him from being one and you pointed the rationale -- since he lives in a parasitic, foreign directed state, it warps his mentality. Afterall - to be a traitor to Greece you need to live in Greece and have knowledge or a position to hurt Greek interests better than someone else, like being an officer in the Hellenic military while being liable to financial corruption. Here is a good article by Karabelias on this:
http://www.ardin.gr/node/165

Another thing I distinctly notice is that university educated Greeks who know a foreign language have a totally foreign national mentality even when compared to their non-university counterparts who only know Greek. A good example is this recent article on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/uplqn/farright_greek_politician_punches_female_rival_on/
All the Greeks commented in English on that global site to condemned Golden Dawn, yet in copious Youtube comments written in Greek, many Greeks are sick and fed up the leftist metapolitefsi order and feel they need wood, the stick as Greeks say, and feel Golden Dawn was sent to give it to them. The psychology of the more educated, English speaking Greeks in Greece is more thinking about external embarrassment(since they can use their English to immigrate easier) and pseudo-progressiveness(learned in the leftist dominant universities and needed for Greek social climbing).

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@JEWphoros

Of course your ancestors never swimmed Niki, cause they needed Moses to open them a way through sea....
Again i ask the same thing, what have you donne for your country, except pretending of being an internet warriot, trying to push labels on other people with your psevdonationalistic and psevdopatriotic attitude? You have done NOTHING and you will never do, not that my country neew your paranoid thinking of yours in order to escape from our present situatuon.

As you have seen noone is really interested on your psevdopatriotic view, Greek nation has nothing to gain from you, nor will you be able to sacrifice even one hour of your time to do something for MY country.You dont even belong to Hoplites group, this shows who is the traitor and the doublefaced snake. Shall i remind you that USA has donne a lot of harm to hellenism the last century, shall i remind you Cyprus and Sisco ?Shall i remind you 6th fleet preventing Greece from intervention? Shall i remind you who supplied Turkey with lots of planes to counter TAF luck of planes during 80's? Shall i remind you USA pressing Papadopulos from withdrawing Greek Dicision from Cyprus? This list can go on for ever, yet still you have no problem living there and defending with your heart these interests, WHO exactly is the traitor? Look in the mirror, you will see the "Greek" Jew-American fatso who pretends to be a patrion for a country he knows a ****....
So what exactly are these "obligations" of yours? Did you pay any taxes on Greek state like i do the last year or did you have to live in an enviroment with 25% unemployment and all these sh@t?

@Ontysseas
You lost all your credibility onty when you started calling names...
I prefere from my servise to keep the good words of my supperior officers regarding what i did during my time that your moronic accusations. How exactly can you judge me on embarassing my uniform when you know a sh@t about me? Did you volunter to spend tough training and 5months more of service in order to "stratikopoihtheis" more and experience the army from the inside or you just asked your visma to send you near home and spend your time making coffee for some EPOP? Your insults regarding an institution (Reserve officers) in Greek army, that offered a lot during all wars in the last 100+ years shows show the limits of your patriotism, a patriotism only in word but without......just like Jewphoros but i hope as you live in Greece you at least have a decen picture of the situation here and options available.
Hitler was also calling traitors everybody but in the end he was the biggest traitor, leading German nation to destruction. Sometimes being an idiot and having power is the biggest treason you can commit.

PS: Congrats geniuses, you exposed me.....only with the detail that i am not from thessaliniki and i do not really care of flirting with a Turkish nationalistic-Kemalistic "girl", just expose the luck of knowledge of some forumers regarding defence issues.

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September 24 2012, 7:52 PM 

Traitor Asia Minor trash,

Did Sisco genocide Greeks? If you are willing to migrate to people who proudly massacred 100,000 of your Asia Minor unpatriotic ancestors, do you expect Americans to fight your battles for you? Are Americans most proud in their history of "ruling Greeks for 400 years"? No, but Babyb1tch whose *** you kiss does.

Thanks for exposing metapolitefsi loser mentality. You cracked from mere economic woes, as an officer if you cracked experiencing much greater war-time stress and threats, you would threaten much more than just your greedy ego. Sadly the Greek selection failed and let your unpatriotic as3 have responsibility you likely cannot handle.

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September 24 2012, 8:08 PM 

wert you attacked me first with your smart asss comments and not the opposite what did you expect me to tell you thank you because you tried to diminish the value of my opinion and my value as a personality in public ?

an action always brings a reaction thats a law of physics


and then you accuse me of using insults against you, some people must have brain cancer, if you started something then learn to accept the consequences of your actions instead of trying to put the blame to somebody else than yourself

if i dont know you you dont know me either, and comparing me to Hitler is the most idiotic thing on your behalf to do

it is the tactic of pseudosocialists when they attack the patriots, accusing the others of fascism is the easy thing to do the difficult thing is to convince us with your opinions and arguments how much patriotic you really are

and because of that im convinced that what i said about you is correct, a good officer is not being judged only by exercises and deeds during his military service, he is also judged by his patriotism and his opinions which reflect what he really is and how much credible he can be during war time

i didnt hear anything patriotic of you so far, you just attacked and you didnt even explained where you disagree with me, thats the tactic of pseudosocialists and traitors.

It is a shame of you to still insist that you had been an officer, if i were you i would remain silent for the sake of the good reputation of our officers.

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September 24 2012, 8:25 PM 

"Of course your ancestors never swimmed Niki, cause they needed Moses to open them a way through sea.... "


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Bwuhahaha.. That's got to be the retort of the week...lol

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September 24 2012, 8:45 PM 

Useless vagina-ian Armenian or whatever, fack off.

This idiot Wert-traitor has no business publicly begging "master, never conquered Turks"(as their national mentality alleges their position vis a vis Greeks) for job leads to move to Istanbul and then to dare to open his mouth about "how come America didn't do this or that" for Greece because like a pseudo-patriot, he wants to sit and watch other countries work for his national interest. That is the responsibility of Greeks and Greece, not USA or Germany, as Wert-traitor would like to portray. Since Greece is full of many traitors like him who don't problematize the full spectrum or unrestricted warfare of the Turkish side against his country, and he tries to brag for being a Greek officer while trying to plot how to live better financially while living in enemy territory, it is a total joke for him to declaim against third countries! What Turkey is doing is playing global poker and using its American card to play against Greece, when the American card is there or using the Gulf Arab card or what have you. What Greece is doing is folding every game, always losing the initial ante and bleeding a slow death. If you are traitor from a country ruled by traitors, you cannot complain or have any right to say that America ought to take your seat at the poker table and play while you continue to sit it out!

Sadly dir-la-da Greeks like him will never get it, which is why long ago I left the Hopa-lites group. Ontyseas, is spot on, you cannot brag to be a good officer on the one hand and then also look into immigrating to the enemy country, doing so only disgraces the Armed Forces. For all we know in the future Wert-traitor could live in Istanbul as he wishes, and Washington could declare war on Turkey to secure a Kurdish state or protect Kurdish oil regions against a Turkish land grab like they did in 1991 against Saddam. So I could have the opportunity to kill many Turks(I would try to take a station that would allow much collateral damage if possible) and he has the opportunity to cheerlead his kardeshes against the American he thinks are his national enemy, lol. Has anyone ever seen Wert-traitor to consider Turks as his enemy like he does the United States or global Jewry? Lol, pathetic metapolitefsi b1tches and traitors, too predictable.

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September 24 2012, 9:25 PM 

Hellenes are divided in three categories nowadays:

1)EURO-USA maniacs: so called "democrats", metapolitefsi pseudo-leftist traitors, "westerners", wanting Hellas to be a slave to the EU as long as we're "democrats and ultra-civilized", don't like non-western non-"democratic countries",anthellenes best hypocrites of all...
Most belong in this category...

2)Leftists: very similar to the previous but stupider and pawns of them, prefer "freedom", are Asian friendly, anti-racists, anthellenes, anarchists, papagalakia of democracy,equality,globalization, generally the stupid ones that are used as pawns against the true nationalists, tsirakia tou sistimatos,disgusting...

3)The Religious Russian freaks, right dumb people with good intentions who are however too stupid to do anything good. Instead they pray everyday that Russia invades Turkey so they give us land like Pater Paisios or others said. They are pathetic despite appearing as patriotic, slaves of the lies of the system, relying on others to do the dirty jobs and displaying the stupid belief that we are weak, masons rule, they poison our minds,god help us, Russia help us. Generally too much retarded and easily manipulated by the far cunnier "democrats".


All of the above is at least 90% of the total population...

Other countries have similar categories but not at that extreme a level...Hellas is decadent and pitiful not because of the economy but because of the ULTRA RETARDED ,TRAITOROUS ,"DEMOCRATIC" ,ANTHELLENIC ,DECADENT ,SHITTY POPULATION.



 
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September 24 2012, 9:27 PM 

Relax Nike, it was funny.. If its any consolation, I think your funny too, especially since you call out other Greeks on their patriotism YET display very little yourself, JEW.. same as that other british phag, Onty TOO!! now come and give me a BIG kiss...lol


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September 24 2012, 9:33 PM 

If Turks have killed millions of Greeks and Armenians so why don't you give the full list of the so-called victims' names? You're all baptized with a name and even celebrate the name day. The church must have had the name list of adherents as well as census statistics. You can't because all their grand-children are alive right now.

 
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September 25 2012, 1:14 AM 

@Onty
I never attacked you or judge your opinions as i do not dissgree with all of them, just pointed to that "girl" the fact that her vocabulary reminded me you and Niki, with constant use of words traitor-something or psevdo-something. But opoios exei tin miga migiazetai and you prefered to side with Niki on psevdo-patriotic lessons on me. GUess what, i really fail to see why you are the right person to lecture anyone. Also officers reputation are not in danger so do not bother , probably you never served your term so it is easyer for you to make idiotic claims. A soldiers value is measured on the battlefield, and when there is no war on the training zone. THe shame is on you for questioning my patriotism while you live your luxury life abroad, so tell me again did you ever served under arms?

@Niki
So according to your paranoid assesments, everybody who lives in Greece is a traitor, along with offsprings of immigrants who are also traitors and educated Greeks who know English, also claimed as traitors. Your parania grows larger every day but i really wonder what leads you to see traitors everyday?
Probably the fact that you live under the protection and care of Jewish community in usa gives you all the free time to express your moronic ideas. So live on Jewish money and leave Greeks alone, some of us you see do not have that luxury and need to broaden their carreers abroad, anywhere that an engineer is needed, make it Honk-kong, Shanghai or Konstantinupolis. For me it is the same, a job is a job.

For you however it is not a problem to be part of a community that produced people like you or Maddof or Henry Kissinger. Sisco you pric told dumb Ioannidis that Turks would never intervene and that USA will never allow that. They tricked him into making the coup in order to open the way for Turks to invade, while at the same time their boys, Bonnanos and Arapakis promished Sisco that Greek armed forces will not do anything. All this organised by Jewish-Amerikan Kissinger, but for you this is no treason cause it was donne by YOUR PEOPLE.
You are the biggest traitor, and in case of Greek -Turkish war your only help you will provide is flooding the Internet with your moronic unreadable texts. Your patriotism reaches only that point....pathetic.

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September 25 2012, 1:30 AM 

Hey Onty & WetGr, dont argue because of me at the end im the one whose children will liberate Aegean Islands in the future.

Your traitors are my friends as you were all supporting my traitors for 10 years right?? happy.gif

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September 25 2012, 2:15 AM 

Wert-traitor:

Let me explain this to you. What do you think the definition of a traitor is? What do you think an enemy is? And no idiot greedy boy, an enemy of say Greece, is not USA or World Jewry as your dumb metapolitefsi self believes due to decades of mis-education, poor family environment, what have you. Matter of fact, I have never read you to castigate the real enemy of Greece who you confront on this forum. When you are willing to work in the enemy country for money that makes you a traitor -- NOT a patriot. Try to prove by any definition or means otherwise. When you pretend that working in the enemy's city is just as good as more neutral for Greeks, Shanghai, it says enough. Most Chinese know nothing and care nothing about Greeks. I would point out what Turks believe about Greeks, but you should know this by now from WAFF, but you don't care obviously due to your metapolifesti traitor constitution. You want to ignore what Turks are, what they believe, what kind of an enemy they are to accuse USA and World Jewry like a pseudo-socialist traitor. You want to create diversions to disqualify the person pointing the obvious because he lives in the United States. For me to be a traitor, I would have to be a traitor to the USA and you would have to prove that, like you proved for yourself when you requested Turkish assistance in finding an Istanbul based job -- despite reading(and ignoring) their extremist anti-Hellenic, anti-infidel views for likely more than half a decade in forums.

A good illustration of the problem with Greek military geeks like wert-traitor, was the defunct "World Conflicts Forum/Greek Turkish Affairs Forum". Basically Lord/Lord.Anonymous got hustled into a "gentlemen's agreement" with the ultra-cunning Turkish pseudo-liberal(really the most devious Turkish ultra-nationalist liar I have ever seen on the net) and scoundrel, modus-hg. The agreement was that Greeks would pretend modus's idyllic portrayal of Turkey as a liberal Scandinavian like country was accurate and ignore the unrestricted warfare and war criminal nature of the Turks and Turkey. Now, just because Lord was ex-OYK, does it make it any less stupid, especially in hindsight? The problem I see with Greek military geeks, is they ignore the Turks beliefs and seek to befriend them to "geek out" and exchange military knowledge based on useless stats, news and parameters they could not take actionable advantage in any real conflict anyway. Many were even willing to invite Turks who advocate invading Greek islands to their home or to meet them.

Anyway, if the Hellenic military was not complicit in covering up the Turkish covert war against Hellas(that includes everything except declaring war and open symmetrical conflict), they should screen out officer candidates to disclosed candidates who are Philo-Turkic and pseudo-socialist with bat sh1t beliefs that Turks are the ally against the American enemy(see Wert-traitor for an example that such specimens exist), like in the pre-metapolitefsi glory days. Sadly Greece has alot of ways to go in all areas, especially national self respect and national ideology.

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Fack off. And you are no Turkish woman. Even online Turkish women will not act out and flame against men like you do. It is not the place of a demure, Turkish woman, even a fake secular one to behave like you pretend you are.

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September 25 2012, 5:59 AM 

@Coalde:

...Well if you don't care enough to complain, I am certainly not going to waste my time...perhaps both you and he were involved in the creation of that adorable little creature, who knows... wink.gif

who knows, perhaps i'll marry her one day wink.gif (at least we have to get "three" of these adorable little creatures)


...P.S. - Seriously though, why exactly is he copying your signature? (I suppose either one of you can answer that)...


...Coalde, everything started in Antalya something thread and i said that DDD type people in Turkey are low level quality people and even they get the enough money, they wont be able to rise culturally due to their low level family backgrounds.. I think he felt bad, thats the reason...


@BabyBeach:
incorrect my "sweet-and-sour" wink.gif

@Coalde:
dear coalde, have u ever had marketing lessons? during my study at the university i started to love the word KISS even more wink.gif

K.I.S.S. - Keep It Simple and Stupid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

as u can see and read i pwned this nasty girl over and over again in the mentioned thread by her:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thread/1346403440 (part I)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thread/1347202106 (part II)

regarding the kiss principle my signature is the result of my never-ending pwnage of her. i "own" her, she's "mine". it's that simple wink.gif u don't have to look as wide as u did in order to understand it.

another source:
http://marketingstrategyexpert.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/keep-it-simple-stupid-kiss-marketing-to-the-masses/

and my sweetie, how can i feel bad, if i K.I.S.S. u like that all the time wink.gif

iste böyle "öperler" tatlim (simple & stupid) wink.gif

simple & stupid .. stupid .. delidolu wink.gif jtn düstümü? wink.gif

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September 25 2012, 10:39 AM 

@DDD

I am familiar with the KISS principle. I find the blatant copying of another WAFFer's signature to be both idiotic and it certainly doesn't say to anyone that you have "pwned" her in the past. Quite frankly it says to me that you lack any sort of imagination of your own and are a coward attempting to impersonate and/or discredit another WAFFer.

Really you should go create your own "unique" signature...trust me on that.

@BB

With the transfer of the F-16 source codes to Turkey not that long ago, does Turkey still have to ask for permission from LM (formerly GD) to do weapons integration work on the platform?

P.S. - Ah, so DDD is a self-righteous religious conservative...as well as being a butt-hurt crybaby?

 
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September 25 2012, 1:33 PM 

Wow, while some posters' here have always lacked a certain amount of vision, justice and knowledge, it seems that certain others have matched that or exceeded that. I am kind of dissapointed with a few things that you stated here wertGR, thought you were much smarter than what you displayed with some of the commentary here. Some of those things are peasant-like and ignorant. Wow.

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September 25 2012, 1:42 PM 

"For you however it is not a problem to be part of a community that produced people like you or Maddof or Henry Kissinger."

This statement is so full of holes and chit that where do we start to dismantle it?................for one, no one can associate the 2 individuals mentioned with an ordinary citizen in any way, shape or form, regardless if they live/lived in the same country. Do you associate yourself with shameful people in Greece?, would it be fair if someone did that?, of course not.



"Sisco you pric told dumb Ioannidis that Turks would never intervene and that USA will never allow that. They tricked him into making the coup in order to open the way for Turks to invade,"

I see, so it's "THE BIG BAD U.S.A.'s fault 100 percent, and NOT that retarded scumbag ioannidis' fault for being stupid enough to get fooled and NOT preparing for the OBVIOUS, just in case the big bad U.S. wasn't being truthful. Sorry wertGR but you've got your head stuck waaaay up your azz with this kind of reasoning you displayed above.





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September 25 2012, 1:46 PM 

@Coalde; "With the transfer of the F-16 source codes to Turkey not that long ago, does Turkey still have to ask for permission from LM (formerly GD) to do weapons integration work on the platform?"


What i know is Ozgur (CCIP Lite) project make our Block 30s totaly free to integrate any weapon thanks to national mission computer but i do not know if the agreement consists of some named missile changes only such as SOM which also has a chance to get certificated for F-35s..




""P.S. - Ah, so DDD is a self-righteous religious conservative...as well as being a butt-hurt crybaby?""

Yobaz creatures as you seen lately in Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc.. never give up, their every disgusting action such as murdering, stealing, cursing, etc.. will be justified by Allah because all is being done in the name of Allah. So dont even try to argue with them cause they live in totally different world.

What we can do is cleaning this viruses from this world by force. Let him bark as he wants in his fantasy world, even his theft against my signature, even knowingname of this girl in my signature (which i just once talk about her) and talking even dirty about her shows us how he actually been OWNED by a 21 year old girl happy.gif

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September 25 2012, 6:50 PM 

@Fantaros
Mperdeveis tis vourtses me tis poutses -you confuse stuffs-.
My quote about Kissinger or Maddof, well known Pricks both of them, does not associate with American community or political establishment generally but as part of the strongest pollitical lobby in USA, of which Niki is probably part of. He reached the point of saying that educaded Greeks are less patriotic than educated ones, go figure out what kind of conversation someone can have with him.

"I see, so it's "THE BIG BAD U.S.A.'s fault 100 percent"
After all these years we know as a fact today that Ioannidis would not go on with the coup should he know that Turks would invade or USA has expressed strong opposition. On the contrary Kissinger send Sisco who assured Ioannidis on the contrary while at the same time he gave green light to the Turks. Ioannidis was not the smartest person arround but he didn;t got assurances from a low level diplomat but from the official representative of State Department.And of course when dumb Ioannidis tried to act, chiefs of Staff did nothing, probably instructed by USA on their inactivity. So you think that there is no American invilvment on the invasion?
Niki reaches the poiont of accusing me as traitor for being willing to work abroad anywhere while he has no hard feelings about his country invovments of wrongdoing in Greece the last 50 years, an involvment that i should remind you even Clinton officially expressed his regret.

Being a Diaspora Greeks does not have only privilages Fanta, it has obligations also. And obligation is not a frenzy psevdo-patriotic internet war that Niki wants to start against everyone, Turks or Greeks included. It is much more than that and he failed to present even one thing he did for our country, just accusing everybody else with simplicity and idiotic accusations. This kind of diaspora "Greeks" are useless and it is a shame to even call themselvs Greeks.

@ Niki

When people spit on you Niki, you probably think that it is just raining....
This is your problem and from this springs your inability to have a civilized conversation here and probably anywhere. Here in our(not yours) country we serve under arms in order to counter the enemy -Turkey-, not because it is funny. But for you this is treason as in your world reality is not a concept, only your illusions and FAKE-hatred about everyone and everything that leads you to write thousands of words without meaning. What ever you say, you are not the one to point fingers on who Greek is a traitor, simply because you do not belong to Hellenic people, just slightly associated. Stick to your Jewish people although i doubt that even them can tolerate you.....

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September 25 2012, 7:46 PM 

@coalde:

...Really you should go create your own "unique" signature...trust me on that...

"blatant" copy aside, IT IS "unique": it's sanitized and animated; in my point of view it's the better sig - get over it.

...Quite frankly it says to me that you lack any sort of imagination of your own and are a coward attempting to impersonate and/or discredit another WAFFer...

first of all: what it says to YOU is none of MY business. no offence, but i even could say i don't give any flyin' fvck about what it says to YOU. YOU are not a benchmark for ME and U don't gimme any value. u CAN'T gimme any value. as long as it is in the rulez, u can only amuse ME with your "impersonated" wisdom. there is also a turkish saying like: "sikimden asagi kasimpasa" - could be translated as: i couldn't care less (what U think).

...Quite frankly it says to me that you lack any sort of imagination of your own and are a coward attempting to impersonate and/or discredit another WAFFer...

if u are familiar with the kiss principle, then u should also be familiar with the technique "pacing & leading":
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacing_and_Leading
maybe the light dawns on you

it could also be that i wanted to make her feel butthurt / hurting her feelings? see yourself:


...that doesnt mean im OK with his useless signature theft...

so what? the main issue is MY itention - not the impact on 3rd person like u. i have my fun with her - who gives a fvck? the only thing u can do is either consider to solidarize with her or be her apple polisher. that's your choice and it doesn't bother me at all.

...it certainly doesn't say to anyone...

and let me get the things straigt: are u in the position to say what it says to "anyone"? plz, speak in your own voice, that makes you more credible - "trust me".

last but not least, coalde: next time, please keep your pearls of wisdom to yourself. you can't sell it to me - i won't buy it from u. nonetheless, thx u anyway wink.gif


coming to my sweet astonished duck (benim tatli saskin ördegim):


...Yobaz creatures as you seen lately in Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc.. never give up, their every disgusting action such as murdering, stealing, cursing, etc...


...his theft against my signature...

dear butthurt budala:

by your logic steve jobs is also a thief wink.gif even if that's the case, who gives a fvck, if he is (was) successful? i for myself pwn u all the time, u lack of quality pitting yourself against me - then u always come with the repeating yobaz stuff - like a bozuk plak. who is the real yobaz? beyni sulanmis örümcek kafali wink.gif

and last but not least for u, BabyButthurtt:


...of this girl in my signature and talking even dirty about her...

for god's sake: where did i talk dirty about this innocent cute girl? what kind of backboneless assumption is this? u seem like being that much out of arguments that u sometimes try to twist the truth. to be honest: u are the real "bigot", let aside fvckin' yobaz people i less care than u.

if u do so, it's no more fun to pwn u. earlier, u seemed like to be intelligent, now i see your mental limits. no offence, too - but it's the sad reality, girl.

more and more u also sound like a / the real bigot (yobaz); have u ever realized? see:

...Let him burn in hell wink.gif...

eziksin kizim wink.gif

kimin kimi kudurttugu gün gibi asikar wink.gif yerim ben seni catlak sosyete

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September 25 2012, 8:34 PM 

@Onty
I never attacked you or judge your opinions as i do not dissgree with all of them, just pointed to that "girl" the fact that her vocabulary reminded me you and Niki, with constant use of words traitor-something or psevdo-something. But opoios exei tin miga migiazetai and you prefered to side with Niki on psevdo-patriotic lessons on me. GUess what, i really fail to see why you are the right person to lecture anyone. Also officers reputation are not in danger so do not bother , probably you never served your term so it is easyer for you to make idiotic claims. A soldiers value is measured on the battlefield, and when there is no war on the training zone. THe shame is on you for questioning my patriotism while you live your luxury life abroad, so tell me again did you ever served under arms?
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i have served my term but not as a former officer or a commando as many idiots claim in here, i was a simple soldier so better leave your assumptions aside.

I also do not live abroad i dont know where the hell you reached your conclusion

As far as officers is concerned, the greatest tragedies in our history came from corrupted politicians and boot licking officers who lacked in courage and patriotic determination therefore your beliefs are closely connected with your perfomance in the battlefield, and certainly there are treacherous officers as there are treacherous politicians as there are treacherous citizens, the degredation of a society does not make exceptions everybody can be or become treacherous, this is the rule.


(Nobody lectured you, it is my thread which has nothing to do with you, and you jumped in lecturing others to avoid speaking the way i do, when you make negative references against others then of course you will be lectured in a negative way too.)

Especially in a fast declining society as the Greek society where people who speak about patriotism are being accused of being Nazists and Hitler supporters by idiots like yourself

Now as far as my vocabulary is concerned if somebody lacks in patriotic values he is a traitor to me i dont know what it is to you simple as that, if somebody pretends to be a socialist and democrat while in reality he cares about his own pitiful self then he is a pseudosocialist and a traitor , if you think about it Greece is in this abyss right now just because we have been ruled by them but the most important thing is that they managed to transmit their pseudoideology to the public creating copies of themselves.

If you are the patriot that you claim that you are i suggest you take some time and make some comments against those who brought us to this point, not against those who say things accusing corruption and treason.

What you said was an effort to diminish my personal value and my opinions those that "you agree with mostly" as you falsefully claimed above.

If you agreed with what i generaly say you wouldnt need to make comments against me encouraging others to avoid speaking the way i do.

There is no justification for your attack against me and my values , therefore logic itself dictates that you attacked me because you dont agree with what i say.

i will speak in Greek to better understand what i mean "opoios exei tin myga mygiazetai" which means that some of the things that i said when i opened the thread apply to you so you got pissed because you recognized yourself as one of those that i criticize above.

My reply again was completely justified , you referred to me in a negative way and you started the whole thing yourself better not complain about the results.


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September 25 2012, 8:38 PM 

@DDD

If you "couldn't care less", then why the extensive rebuttal? Logically speaking if you could care less, you wouldn't have responded...but obviously you are a moron and severely butt-hurt from the thrashings you have received from BB.

Quite frankly if you took marketing in University and formatted a response like that, I am guessing you failed and were suitably washed out...however I am pretty sure that you are hypersensitive little Internet-warrior virgin (which is sad considering you are likely in your mid-20s, based upon your own words), who's closest approach to a naked woman involved a Victoria Secrets catalogue and a bottle of hand lotion. LOL...what a loser you are.


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September 25 2012, 9:36 PM 

@coalde

i knew it in advance that u gonna butthurt, the same behavioral pattern as the other losers, you even can not conceal it.

you better had avoided me and get away with a clean face.

that's the tribute if u unjustified play a bootlicker of a prima donna.

regarding "formatting": sorry dude but what can i do if i'm more efficient than you?

u even have no clue about my work environment / workflow-tools and talk out of your arse wink.gif

u sound like a senile old full of wisdom:
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with due respect, u began to stick your nose in my affair.

c'mon man, why so butthurt now?!

i can not repeat it often enough:
1. i have my fun
2. i don't have to function as u want
3. keep your pearls of wisdom to yourself

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playing the butthurted "smart" azz...

what a bad actor wink.gif



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September 25 2012, 9:43 PM 

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September 25 2012, 10:05 PM 

@onty

For starters, using the adj traitorsomething or psevdosomethin on every sentence and word is something that i find annoying regarding the flow of a conversation (not disturbing because i thing it affects me also), it is like a blanket that covers every aspect regardless if someones opinion is right or wrong. You and Niki choosed this style, i am satiric to this style and not on the point someone is making. And as it is your right in a forum to use any style you want then it is my wright to expres my opinion on it without giving a sh@@t if you to go crazy and issuing traitor certeficates on me.

Niki is the only one here who can call anybody traitor if they do not aggree with him (and its seems you follow closely his logic). Thes nonsense words coming from someone who has never done ANYTHING for his country is the definition of paralog,, but of course there are always idiots like him who can talk out of the safety of their life 8.000 miles far away without ever having to prove anything about what they say.

As i said my patriotic values can not be evaluated by you as your definition o patriot probably applies only on your self and nobody else. THis is a military forum and i prefere to expose Turks here regarding military issues than spend my time pushing labels on my compatriots. Never called you hittler or nazi by exposed the fact that by calling everybody else traito doesn;t automaticaly mean that in the end you are one yourself. Bear in mind that a big part (not all) of DEA served more months out of patriotism and willingness to offer more to the defence of our country, low level officers cannot be traitirs as are not the ones who take the decisions, just follows orders. If you served you would know that.

As for your thread , you again presented Defencenet craps as a fact while even the turks knows that its credibility is close to zero. My answers at first where focused on that, while you failed to filter these news and present them on their right side.

This is a defence forum Onty , we are not here to get pistopoihtika fronimatwn or to prove anything to every idiot that things only him can see the light of truth. I am fully aware of the sh@@t metapolitefsis brought that and the consiquences to my generation of the politicians and system that previouse generations established. The 2 ex big parties bear a lot of responsibilitis for the situation the brought us but that doesn mean i find psevdonationalism and psevdopartiotism the solution, on the contrary this logic can become even more dangerous. We need to focus on the economy and on liberal reforms cause with out modern economy we are lots. I leave witch hunting to you and niki as it seems you are good ONLY in that.

Destroyig more your thread of credible defence net has no point probably, keep siding with Niki name calling,m after all we all know his credibility among "traitor" Greeks here.....



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"After all these years we know as a fact today that Ioannidis would not go on with the coup should he know that Turks would invade or USA has expressed strong opposition. On the contrary Kissinger send Sisco who assured Ioannidis on the contrary while at the same time he gave green light to the Turks."

We all know the history, but tell me.............WHAT exactly did prodoti ioannides do in order to safeguard the last outpost of Hellenism (Cyprus) from treacherous acts?, did he send thousands of troops, mbt's and other weapons/supplies to the island between the dates of july 15-20th to keep Cyprus from getting fvcked? and the answer to that is NO, he acted wrecklessly and thought only of himself and his position and his own personal status FIRST, before he ever gave a 2nd thought to Cyprus. He conspired with other nations in order to work against Cyprus and for all these things, he is a traitor, not only to Cyprus but to Greece too and Hellenism as a whole. His name goes down in history with Efialtes.




" Ioannidis was not the smartest person arround but he didn;t got assurances from a low level diplomat but from the official representative of State Department.And of course when dumb Ioannidis tried to act, chiefs of Staff did nothing, probably instructed by USA on their inactivity. So you think that there is no American invilvment on the invasion? "

Ioannides was an idiot, plain and simple, but he was also a treacherous scumbag that thought that he was good at playing the game, but he was proven wrong. There is American involvement, but there was Greek involvement too and that involvement is equal to the American one. It takes 2 to tango. When it is your own people doing this, it is much worse and that was what we saw in 74. Furthermore, you are wrong about something, ioannides never got assurances from sisco or any other diplomats from the U.S., he got assurances from his contacts with the C.I.A.............which he confused with official U.S. foreign policy, which of course it wasn't reflective of then or today as well.


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For starters, using the adj traitorsomething or psevdosomethin on every sentence and word is something that i find annoying regarding the flow of a conversation (not disturbing because i thing it affects me also), it is like a blanket that covers every aspect regardless if someones opinion is right or wrong. You and Niki choosed this style, i am satiric to this style and not on the point someone is making. And as it is your right in a forum to use any style you want then it is my wright to expres my opinion on it without giving a sh@@t if you to go crazy and issuing traitor certeficates on me.
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when you exercise cricism upon me and my style you shall receive criticism about your style too as well

and frankly i dont give a damn if you consider annoying on my behalf using the term traitor, if somebody is a traitor or something seems that needs to be called this way then i will use the term as i wish

and frankly i didnt remember having any kind of conversation with you in this thread that it was disrupted by my usage of the term "traitor" you just jumped in lecturing people not to speak the way i do.

This is offensive and as long as you take care to critize me and my style you shall receive your replies, moreover it is my conviction that it is not the constant usage of the term traitor that really disturbs you, it was the meaning of what i said that it disturbs you


Niki is the only one here who can call anybody traitor if they do not aggree with him (and its seems you follow closely his logic). Thes nonsense words coming from someone who has never done ANYTHING for his country is the definition of paralog,, but of course there are always idiots like him who can talk out of the safety of their life 8.000 miles far away without ever having to prove anything about what they say.
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i dont care what Niki does and you shouldnt care either, everybody has his own way of expressing himself it is not of your business to jump in somebody elses thread and criticize other people who didnt talk to you in the first place just for the sake of criticism

I dont call everybody a traitor when he does not agree with me it depense on the issues that he disagrees with me, if what my co speaker says is unpatriotic for my values then yes i will tell him in front of his face that i find his beliefs treacherous, and he may say whatever he likes about me i dont give a rat ***.

if you disagree on the essence of something then just say it, the rest is bullcrap.

and you are an idiot if you imply that i live 8000 miles away and i didnt do anything for my country

you are full of idiotic assumptions, and defitenely i dont have to prove anything to you

Im sure that i live in Greece and im sure that i served my military service i dont need to provide any documentation to you to prove that i have done so.



As i said my patriotic values can not be evaluated by you as your definition o patriot probably applies only on your self and nobody else. THis is a military forum and i prefere to expose Turks here regarding military issues than spend my time pushing labels on my compatriots. Never called you hittler or nazi by exposed the fact that by calling everybody else traito doesn;t automaticaly mean that in the end you are one yourself. Bear in mind that a big part (not all) of DEA served more months out of patriotism and willingness to offer more to the defence of our country, low level officers cannot be traitirs as are not the ones who take the decisions, just follows orders. If you served you would know that.
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i dont care about your patriotic values we didnt even have a discussion that i criticized those supposed values, you jumped in my thread encouraging people not to talk the way i do so i had every right to assume that you dont agree with me and therefore i challenged you to find a point where exactly you disagreed with me then you implied that Hitler was calling everybody a traitor like myself

im not Hitler and i dont care what he did, and keep your idiotic comparisons for your self, i told you earlier as long as you judge me you will receive judgement in return take it or leave it

i never also said that every single officer is a traitor, i call somebody a traitor only if his opinions or behavior is highly unpatriotic comparing to my values and certainly i dont put everybody in the same basket

i told you earlier it doesnt matter if you are high ranking or low ranking officer, as long your ideas and beliefs are unpatriotic then you will act in a treacherous way under certain circumstances

it is also a mistake that i call everybody a traitor without a distinction, i judge beliefs and behaviors according to my values

if somebody thinks that my own values are treacherous he should tell me so and we can talk about it, but so far nobody accused me of treason and this means that what i say and what i do is patriotic enough.




As for your thread , you again presented Defencenet craps as a fact while even the turks knows that its credibility is close to zero. My answers at first where focused on that, while you failed to filter these news and present them on their right side.

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i never presented this as a fact , i explained from the beginning , when i was challenged, that i dont know if this piece of news is true or not but my approach is to take it as a something given unless it is proved otherwise

moreover i made it clear later on that no matter if this piece of news is true my disgust for this government is a given since i consider that they have done nothing to reinforce our defence and they are bowing their heads to the foreigners.

they are traitors either way you see it, i dont in fact care if they will buy those German pieces of junk they are the same people who singed the memorandum and brought Greece to this point

you should puzzle yourself more concerning this point than spending your time criticizing me for posting an article and making comments about it the way i like

you are free as anybody else to provide evidence that this article is wrong, and then i can modify the title of my thread if this is your main concern.

Many others have posted articles taking the info presented as given unless proved otherwise, of course everybody is free to prove the validity of those info with different sources.

If there is evidence which suggest that the validity of a certain article is at stake then they can post those evidence which will be taken into consideration.



This is a defence forum Onty , we are not here to get pistopoihtika fronimatwn or to prove anything to every idiot that things only him can see the light of truth. I am fully aware of the sh@@t metapolitefsis brought that and the consiquences to my generation of the politicians and system that previouse generations established. The 2 ex big parties bear a lot of responsibilitis for the situation the brought us but that doesn mean i find psevdonationalism and psevdopartiotism the solution, on the contrary this logic can become even more dangerous. We need to focus on the economy and on liberal reforms cause with out modern economy we are lots. I leave witch hunting to you and niki as it seems you are good ONLY in that.

Destroyig more your thread of credible defence net has no point probably, keep siding with Niki name calling,m after all we all know his credibility among "traitor" Greeks here.....

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I never asked pistopoiitika fronimaton and i never asked from anybody and especially from you to prove me anything, all this time in this forum i have been rarely talking to you as it is the case with most of the others.

i made it clear that i come here mostly to talk about my beliefs not to convince anybody, if somebody feels that he needs to talk to me about something he is free to do so but as long as i find something treacherous and unpatriotic i will point it out to my coospeaker without the slightest hesitation.

You jumped in my thread lecturing other people about my style, and you got your replies at the same fashion.

In fact Niki too had every right to react badly against you because you referred to him also.

Who are you also to connect me with Niki we are 2 different persons and you know shvit about me or him,, as long as you connected us the irresponsible and idiotic way you did then we had every right to connect you with whatever we wished .

And you have no right either to complain that i joined my attack siding with him against you, you referred to both of us and you got replies by both of us thats the way it is.

And in fact who are you to make comments about my style and believe that i will remain silent like nothing has happened, you can make your comments about me and you will hear my replies in return even if you find them, unjust, unfair, or false.

thats the deal take it or leave it dude.

I also dont know what you mean by "


he 2 ex big parties bear a lot of responsibilitis for the situation the brought us but that doesn mean i find psevdonationalism and psevdopartiotism the solution, on the contrary this logic can become even more dangerous. We need to focus on the economy and on liberal reforms cause with out modern economy we are lots. I leave witch hunting to you and niki as it seems you are good ONLY in that.


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he 2 ex big parties bear a lot of responsibilitis for the situation the brought us but that doesn mean i find psevdonationalism and psevdopartiotism the solution, on the contrary this logic can become even more dangerous. We need to focus on the economy and on liberal reforms cause with out modern economy we are lots. I leave witch hunting to you and niki as it seems you are good ONLY in that.
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as i stated earlier i know very few things about your beliefs mostly because i dont care and because i rarely had conversations with you which would enlighten me about those beliefs

you complained earlier that you are not a traitor and we shouldnt call you this way, in fact, as i said earlier i thought at the beginning that your criticism against me was about the essence of my comments and not the "adjective" traitor which was not used against you in the first place

forgive me to say so but i still believe that the reason of your discontent about my expressing style is a reason which has to do with the essence of what i say and not a reason which has to do with my expressing style

now taking the above into consideration i had no other choice than to call your opinions treacherous

and thats because i consider inconceivable for a real Greek to disagree that we should not be dependend on foreigners, that the 2 big parties are treacherous and ruined Greece , that we need industrialization and financial independence and pride.

if your only concern however was my usage of the term traitor, then i must admit that i was somehow harsh to you but it was your comments which provoked it.

However, you must explain to me this last paragraph of yours because i think that you want to say something important here concerning your beliefs

and i dont understand a damn thing of what you want to say, so better try to rephraze if possible in order to talk about it.

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When i used your name and Nikis in the same paragraph why do you thing i did it? In order to ephasize your common views or Jewish religion? Probably not, i explained why i did and both of you entered on an anti-wertGR amok. Of course for niki is normal, he has big mouth but you took it too much personal. Anyway i do not really loose my sleep on what people say on a forum, especially the quality of some people in this forum. I prefere to stick to defence issues and not politics, something that always devides Greeks. But although in real life i have political conversations, o prefer not to do that. But to end with that, as i said Greece doesn;t need a change of party in goverment for another time, we need someone who will institute 100% new ideas on economy, fight unionism and corruption and make structuran changes that should have been done years ago. We need economic nationalism, not ultra-nationalism in all aspects of society, however most our compatriots are not in deep sh@@t in order vote for a real change. They prefere to vote lightly XA in order to push a few useless punches or Syriza in order to secure as many privilages as they can (btween Syriza is the next goverment).
Nothing more for me to say, stick on defence matters onty and leave traitor finding on others....

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You said it your self, in involvment of USA was equal to Greek involvment (Junda goverment) than on what part do you disagree with me.
Greek goverment was a pown of USA, priminister Andrutsopulos was a CIA agent and Ioannidis was USA trained and their man in Greece. It was not a democratic elected goverment that initiated the coup but a goverment 100% controlled by USA. But yet Kissinger failed to expres any obligations about the coup (although he knew about it) or later about the invetion (attilas plans where also known to him). His only involvment was treatening Greece of not initiating a war with Turkey and send 6th fleet to patrol Greek-Cyprus gap.

If supporting the actions of USA in Cyprus while condemning only Greek actions is your official view then the American in you is much stronger than your Greek side. Den mporeis na exeis kai tin pita olakeri kai ton skylo xortato.

 
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"If supporting the actions of USA in Cyprus while condemning only Greek actions is your official view then the American in you is much stronger than your Greek side."

You are.... "confused with stuffs" mr. My point is that it is not only the U.S. fault, but equally the fault of Greeks/Greece as well. I already made that clear yet you pretend to ignore what I stated. If you can't see that the fault is equal then you are blind to historical facts.

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But although in real life i have political conversations, o prefer not to do that. But to end with that, as i said Greece doesn;t need a change of party in goverment for another time, we need someone who will institute 100% new ideas on economy, fight unionism and corruption and make structuran changes that should have been done years ago. We need economic nationalism, not ultra-nationalism in all aspects of society, however most our compatriots are not in deep sh@@t in order vote for a real change. They prefere to vote lightly XA in order to push a few useless punches or Syriza in order to secure as many privilages as they can (btween Syriza is the next goverment).
Nothing more for me to say, stick on defence matters onty and leave traitor finding on others....
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Now we come to the bottom line, we sum things up and we better understand the reasons of your attack against me, it is not about defencenet and their crap, it is not what pissed you off, because many people including Turks are using this source when it is convinient for them and others too as well, and then they reject it claiming that what they write is pieces of crap when it is not convinient for them.

Believe me i have seen it happening many times, and also im under no obligation as a member to filter what i post or to choose particular sites for reasons of credibility, everybody can have his own opinion of what is credible or not, im not forced to choose certain sites that are considered to be credible by certain members and to avoid at the same time posting articles from certain other sites which are not considered to be credible by certain other members.

(And let me repeat again as i have done a million times, nobody is forced to enter my threads if he feels that the info and comments provided there are not of his taste or credible)


My only obligation is to provide a link when a post an article which i do, i post my comments concerning the article, but i always know that there is a possibility that this piece of news posted might not be true and therefore this is the reason that im not dogmatic to anything im open to any new pieces of evidence (and why not anyway? since i dont represent the interests of any particular site or magazine) which might prove the lack of validity of certain info provided from a particular article.)

Im not here to to try to play the detective searching for hours the net in order to find alternative sources and cross references just because some people are not satisfied by what they read, i dont have the time to do so, and those who have the time and they want to do so they are more than welcome to contribute, including yourself.


But you know the above yourself however you didnt do the same thing and you didnt react in a similar way when you participated in the threads of other members who might have done possibly a similar thing.

It was not the word traitors either that pissed you off, how it could be? when it is not referring to you in the first place and when we rarely had a conversation all this time even a confrontation which would justify your anger against me.

What made you to lecture members to avoid speaking the way i do is as i suspected from the beginning ,is disagreements concerning the essence of what i say.

Thats why i sensed that this paragraph of yours, the last one, that i couldnt comprehend, is the most important because you reveal there your real reasons behind your anger against me.

And thats why i insisted that you explain to me what you mean.


I know that you cannot talk to people of my low quality but do me the favor to allow me to tell your excellency that the real reason behind your anger against me, is that you are a supporter of this government and memorandum.

why? because if you were not a supporter of this pseudogovernment and the memorandum you would have known that

structural changes, breakthroughs, and new ideas cannot be applied by those who brought us treason and destruction, as as you very well point out cannot be applied by lefitsts or extreme elements either,

or even parties which have rotten in the parliament either collaborating with traitors or doing nothing of substance to bring new ideas , they just get their salaries and they are rotting to the parliament doing nothing.

So i believe, and your excellence should forgive a man of such a low quality as myself because im forced to point out that it is the utmost important factor, which defines everything, who is going to bring the breaktroughs and the good things that you suggested above and under what specific policies.

Taking this matter lightly means that you dont wish the thieves and traitors to be punished it wouldnt matter to you to see politicial cleansing, it does not matter who ruined us and who is going to apply the changes.

What really matters is to see breakthroughs but is it possible to be applied by those who ruined the county with their policies?

No it doesnt sound logical to me.

I also dont understand your dinstiction between nationalism and ultranationalism this is a long conversation which i dont wish to do with you right now because as you very correctly pointed out you shouldnt care what people of our low quality say about you and your beliefs and you shouldnt care to talk to them in the first place.

As far as your advice is concerned to stick on defence issues and leave the traitor "hunting" for others, i would agree with you but too bad that those things are interconnected you see whenever i see something no matter if it is a financial or military issue i smell the stink of treason and malfucntion of our society and rotten system.

So i cannot really help it, i ve got to find out something to make my own quest for the rotten apples as i put it.

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Never in my posts mister did i claim that it is only US fault. Greek junda bears huge responsibility and Ioanidis with his gang even more. However someone also pulled the strings behind that tradegy, and he bears also responsibility, partially admited by Clinton. Just to clarify a few things.

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"Never in my posts mister did i claim that it is only US fault. Greek junda bears huge responsibility and Ioanidis with his gang even more. However someone also pulled the strings behind that tradegy, and he bears also responsibility, partially admited by Clinton. Just to clarify a few things."



And I don't blame the Greek side "only" as you say or imply...............mr.......... and to sum it up once more, the blame lies equally with both Greece and U.S., as I stated it takes 2 to tango. Furthermore, your statement/implication that I am "supporting American actions on Cyprus" ......is unfounded and false.



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September 26 2012, 10:40 PM 

And I don't blame the Greek side "only" as you say or imply...............mr.......... and to sum it up once more, the blame lies equally with both Greece and U.S., as I stated it takes 2 to tango. Furthermore, your statement/implication that I am "supporting American actions on Cyprus" ......is unfounded and false.

...I'd take that one step further Fanta and say that the politicians in Greece and Cyprus were to blame even more so than the USA and Britain for NOT reading the situation better and allowing something as important as Cyprus to be taken hostage.. pure and simple.. we had/have morons leading us and we paid a price.. just being honest..

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@Onty
Just drop it , believe me you didn;t manage to figure out even a mere 10% of the way i think. There is no point arguing here puplicaly with out the ability to reach point.These things should be discussed together with a cup of coffee, not in english on a defence forum.
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We are bunkrupt but i didnt see any of the traitors who was rulling us to go in prison , they made Tsochatzopoulos the scapegoate as if he was the only one who has been implicated in scandals or he was the only one of those who have been ruling us all those years.

Millions of ministers passed from the ministry of defence i didnt see anybody else to go in jail.

To sit drinking coffee and wip saying we are bunkrupt is the mentality of the looser, right now my mentality is the mentality of anger

untill i see political cleansing and punishment of the guilties i will never believe to the ability of this country to revive again even in the distant future

especially as long as people keep voting those who should have been in jail along time ago.

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@Wert-traitor:

In any other country, Turkey with what it has done and still does to Greeks/Greece would be considered an enemy country. You cannot provide any definition that contra-indicates that laboring for the enemy country for money is anything other than being a traitor. Infact had you been a higher ranking officer, perhaps an ex-Major in the Greek army and asked for a Turkish based job you would likely magically have found it(depending on the social power threshold they look for in Greek turncoats that they feel are worth it to bribe) and Turkish secret services would have tried to turn you. The thing about traitors is that they are amendable to being bought, because they lack patriotic or national values compared to their greed. Without a bullet being fired Greece has become a German colony today, yet like a metapolitefsi idiot, you think such facts are irrelevant compared to military geek-ery... In addition to ignoring that you would like to up the ante and support Neo-Ottomanism to live a middle class lifestyle at all costs.

You pretend to be against the metapolitefsi but you are exactly a product of it. Ontyseas, is the opposite, he was raised under the same conditions, but he is not really a proud product of that system or its ideology like you, he voices out against it constantly. You consider Turks as not enemies, yet they brag for genocide and ethnic cleansing against Greeks. However you consider Americans as enemies, who are totally neutral on Greeks! You spout metapolitefsi canards that political beliefs or patriotism having nothing to do with being a military officer, that what solely matters is what commanding officers think about you. But Clausewitz and many others have pointed out that war is the extreme form of politics. Only in metapolitefsi Greece is this stupid illusion so firmly believed by dazed people like you. Before 1974 in Greece leftish people, Asia Minor refugees and Turk-lovers had a harder time and faced barriers to military promotion. Now that is no more, for obvious reasons desired by the political establishment that brought Greece to its knee by way of treason. Perhaps you have a DSLR camera and can film videos with fellow reserve officers who shop in Turkey, work in Turkey or wish to relocate there like you. You can make a recruitment commercial: "The Greek military reserve: as soon as we are done shopping or working in Turkey, we earnestly promise that we will defend our homeland, unless the Turks give us a better offer. Then we will give Greece a chance for a counter-offer."

@Wert-traitor and Farting-andros:
Good job idiots, you put primary blame on Cyprus 1974 everywhere but on the people most responsible for defending what they claim was/is their sovereign homeland -- Greek Cypriots(really Cypriot-Cypriots). Since you idiots are so historically and politically ignorant in the mid 1960's the Greek Cypriot society voted in the majority for Syriza equivalents -- the EDEK socialists and AKEL commies supported by President Makarios. It is those idiots and traitors most responsible for Cyprus 1974 and its blame, not Greece or the USA.

Sadly political and national responsibility is absent from Cypriot-Cypriot traitors and they exported that trait to Greece, when their excuses and abrogation of self-criticism was used to usher in the metapolitefsi order which lead to Greece leaving American backing to become a European Union colony today with no fiscal control, independent foreign policy or even a the basic ability to control its borders without Brussel's interference. Thus most Greek idiots today blame everyone else:
-- USA: for not stopping the Turkish invasion like earlier in the 1960's, while Greek Cypriots and their foreign policy where extremely hostile to American interests
-- Greece: when the Greek officers already stationed in Cyprus were harassed by Makarios and his political supporters who were anti-Enosists and thus anti-Hellenic and against the Hellenic Armed Forces' presence in Cyprus.
Simply if you are against a country, that country has no reason to support you because you are a leftist idiot and traitor nation. You sleep in the bed you make for yourself.

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The biggest threat to Hellas is that all the efialtes dont get what they deserve!
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Fantaros, concerning Ioannides I wouldn't go as far as calling him a traitor. Certainly a gullible fool who made countless mistakes, the big one of course was not fortifying Cyprus. He obviously received assurances from the yanks that the turks would not invade.

" ioannides never got assurances from sisco or any other diplomats from the U.S.,"

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Re: The traitors are going to replace A7 junk with German junk

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September 29 2012, 9:37 PM 

YOu are an idios JEWphoros, as you do not know a sh@@t about what you are talking. Reserve officers are not on alert, thats why they are called reserved officers ignorant.

Of course you cannot be called traitor because YOU ARE NOT GREEK, just an idiot sitting xxxx miles away and having ZERO connection with Greece.

All Greeks here ignore you and your idiotic posts, better stick to your jewish palls, after all you live with them. Also buy a Kissinger portrait and push it in your wall to honour him every day , for you he did nothing wrong. View like your can only harm hellenism and Greece, useless idiots like you should be totally ignored, as it happens here everyday....

Being judged by a NON-Greek azz is not a matter that can really annoy me.....

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Re: The traitors are going to replace A7 junk with German junk

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September 30 2012, 5:57 AM 

@Wert-traitor:

You are too dumb to be believed! You don't understand or want to:
-- what treason is
-- how traitors are turned when foreign agents hear them advertise their greed
As Kolokotronis, the great Peloponnesian said:

ÖùôéÜ óôá óðßôéá êáé ôóåêïýñé óôçí ðåñéïõóßá êáé ôï ëáéìü åêåßíùí ðïõ êÜíïõí ôá ÷áôßñéá ôùí Ôïýñêùí. ÖùôéÜ êáé ôóåêïýñé óôïõò ðñïóêõíçìÝíïõò!

Fire to the homes and property, and axes to necks of those who do the bidding of the Turks. Fire and axes to their worshippers!

Such thinking is totally alien to the Asia Minor Tourkospore.

Instead you want to distract with stupid American and Jewish conspiracies typical of metapolitefsi handicapped idiots, especially those from Asia Minor backgrounds raised in a leftist milieu(who used to be selected against in the Hellenic Armed Forces). You don't want to admit that in 1964 and 1967 the USA put huge pressure on Turkey to not try an invasion stunt in Cyprus when they mocked like they were massing their fleet for intervention. However Cypriot-Cypriot traitors voting for AKEL & EDEK, instead of building their National Guard and diplomatic support, they focused on pissing off a superpower. Just like Syriza will do if Greek leftards vote them in. As a consequence Washington stopped restraining Turkey, simple as that and used all measures to avoid Greek forces from causing an inter-NATO conflict over the Cypriot traitors.
Anyway I am mocking you in many other threads as we see the "Wertgr effect" all over Greece nowadays, like here:
G&T Thread: Devastation from fire averted in Greek U-214 sub: "Funny business"?
Let us create a Waff meme, everytime a Greek traitor puts money over national self-respect let us refer to it this way.

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September 30 2012, 3:54 PM 

>>>>>@Wert-traitor and Farting-andros:
Good job idiots, you put primary blame on Cyprus 1974 everywhere but on the people most responsible for defending what they claim was/is their sovereign homeland -- Greek Cypriots

The blame goes to the people who speciffically violated articles of the treaty of guarantee, allowing turkey to intervene legally on Cyprus and the people responsible for this were ioannides and the rest of the idots in the Athens junta. You ignore this historical fact because you, like them, are ignorant and idiotic and are unable to process historical facts and/or to recognize them. You have lost this argument in the past, you have lost it now and you will always lose th is argument because, you are a moron. Furthermore, you have no business being a JEW of ladino-sector backround of thessaloniki, discussing Hellenic matters.

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October 1 2012, 2:09 PM 

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October 1 2012, 2:36 PM 

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Re: The traitors are going to replace A7 junk with German junk

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October 1 2012, 2:59 PM 

How do you know? "


Because it has been made public 14 years ago that he only dealt directly with and valued his exchanges with C.I.A. contacts, not diplomats. No diplomats at the time had told ioannides that the turks would NOT invade if he acted against the government of Cyprus. In fact Thomas Boyatt, in the state dept WARNED of these things in May of 74, but they were ignored by Kissinger. Kissinger was content to let Ioannides blunder on his own , with assistance from his (ioannides) C.I.A. contacts .......of course.



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Re: The traitors are going to replace A7 junk with German junk

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October 1 2012, 6:54 PM 

@Let us create a Waff meme, everytime a Greek traitor puts money over national self-respect let us refer to it this way.

Lol,the only Waff mame created here all these years is JEWphoros, the non Greek Jewishamerican whose idiotic post are so unreadable that are used as torture method in Guantanamo. " Confess Ahmed, or we will force you to read Jewphoros posts"

All these years and you still didn;t understand your insignificance among Greeks, of course idiots like you cannot be called traitors, idiots like you should just be ignored as their views can only be damaging to every issue involving Greece. When you come back to the country and you serve under the flag (like many patriotic Greek americans-canadians have done) then we could say you offered something to the country, untill then you just a keyboard warrior but COWARD to do something in real worls.
Adios cabron!

@Fantaros
When a goverment is installed by USA and supported all these years by USA don't you think you bear some responsibility about its actions? THey supported an idiot as a leader who they trained in the past and when this leader took the wrong decision they just sit back and let 2 countries suffer from his actions. Does this sounds to you that a reasonable action regarding Greek-USA relations.
If you work in HR and you hire an idiot who destroys a company, does this HR person bears any responsibility? Of course yes.

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October 1 2012, 7:58 PM 

i would like to make a comment irrelevant to this thread but relevant to the recent developments in our country

1)the president of the Greek Muslim community called our prime minister a racist

who the fack is he to call our prime minister a racist? who legalized him and his supposed community to talk against the leadership of a state that he is a foreigner and he invaded, and he was legalized by treacherous governments under dark and unspecified procedures.

2)you gave the right to the illegals who were legalized without the consent of anybody to react as if this facking country belongs to them

it was their Muslim forefathers who shed their blood to make this state free as it seems to your idiotic and treacherous minds.

Who was the conqueror you idiots? it was Muslims and now you allow them to talk against us like equals

Then why the fack do you demand from the legal citizens of this country to fulfil their obligations when everybody can steal their rights ,because you are traitors?


No more to say, just a big fack you bitches, you brought even to the point legal citizens to be threatened by illegals that they will be burned alive because they dared to commit damages to their illegal properties after they had been stabbed numerous times in order to be robbed by those murderers.


You force me , a superior and kind person to express myself like a beast because of your treasons you dirty bitches,

But payback time will come soon i hope and this country will belong to its legal citizens again.

thats all.

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October 1 2012, 11:55 PM 

"When a goverment is installed by USA and supported all these years by USA don't you think you bear some responsibility about its actions? "


I already stated more than once that the blame is ALSO placed on the U.S., in atleast 2 replies to you. What part of "equal blame" don't you understand ?

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October 1 2012, 11:57 PM 

i would like to make a comment irrelevant to this thread "



ALL of your comments are irrelevant ANYWHERE........fvckface lol. Now go blow your jewish boyfriend JEWphoro.

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October 2 2012, 2:00 AM 

@Wert-traitor:

You are too funny. So basically you expect people that don't live in Greece, to serve in the Greek Armed Forces -- which is actually the type of ultra-nationalism you were b1tching about(and that we see most often from Turks -- or Greek metapolitefsi raised traitors when a Greek abroad calls them out). But you think it is totally ok for traitors like you to openly proposition the Turkish enemy for jobs. The Greek state doesn't consider its immigrants abroad or their descendants abroad as ecumenical -- that is reserved as a card for traitors like you when they are called out.

At least you are consistent about your treasonous views. You cannot understand that the biggest traitors in the Greek Armed Forces will be the ones serving in it -- not Americans. You also cannot fathom that the biggest responsibility to defend Cyprus in 1974 fell on the Cypriots. Instead you want to create an ahistorical innate American plot to invade Cyprus. The United States rebuked Turkish invasion attempts in '64 and '67 -- till Makarios and his leftist traitor backers did enough to make Washington change its policy on that issue.

Sadly idiots like you don't know anything about responsibility and where to place it.

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October 2 2012, 3:36 AM 

Notice that JEWphoro knows how pounded he gets in here and has vaseline as his sig LOL

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October 2 2012, 9:13 PM 

ALL of your comments are irrelevant ANYWHERE........fvckface lol. Now go blow your jewish boyfriend JEWphoro.
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fack you traitor, you have the nerves to come back in this forum

you will be known as the bitch who wanted to learn Turkish, you were born and you will die as a slave

if half of my island was under occupation i would fight the enemy instead of acting like a traitor as you do

you have zero dignity, in fact you are a big zero

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October 2 2012, 9:20 PM 

"if half of my island was under occupation i would fight the enemy instead of acting like a traitor as you do

you have zero dignity, in fact you are a big zero
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Are you refering to Fantaros or the entire Cypriots?

 
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October 2 2012, 9:22 PM 

Are you refering to Fantaros or the entire Cypriots?
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you have a point Turko

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October 2 2012, 9:23 PM 

and im man enough to admit when my enemy has a point

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October 2 2012, 9:52 PM 

i was recently watching a documentary in state TV, they were taking interviews from Gs and Tcs who were speaking Greek fluently to my surprise

The main idea of the documentary was to forget the incidents of the past and reconciliation no hostilities they even suggested to rewrite history in order to avoid promoting hatred to the future generations

Are they facking kidding us? they can sell this crap coming from British documentaries by British who were colonizing Cyprus by force having as allies and supporters the Tcs to those who dont know shivit

Let me tell you what is the truth, the truth is that Turkey illegaly occupies the lands of a supposed sovereign state who had as many protectors and pims as a whore can have

And now they kiss the feet of their conquerors denying their motherland suggesting that everything should be forgotten

well Denktash and his relatives did not forget as long as they were alive , why we should forget and forgive?

only the traitors like Farting Andros as Nikephoros very well put it, forget and forgive.

What we need to do is to get back what belongs to us the rest is bullcrap of pseudosocialism, anarhism and treason which converted our nation to a weak nation depended on Troika and the foreigners

well fack you all, and especially those Cypriots who want to put the blame on Greece when you have been drinking coffee abroad instead of fighting the enemy.

Thats all for the moment.

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