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Late to the Party

February 29 2004 at 11:37 PM

John Byrne  (Login johnbyrne)
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Tonight I watched 2 episodes of "Law & Order: Criminal Intent", the first time I have watched this show.

Every time I seen Vincent D'Onofrio in something he impresses me more. This show looks really good. I must seek out more!

 
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(Login kevinbennett007)
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Re: Late to the Party

February 29 2004, 11:40 PM 

The USA cable network shows repeats of the program, usually on Friday and Saturday nights.

 
 

(Login BrianCzako)
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Vincent D'

February 29 2004, 11:47 PM 

At first Goren's mannerisms were a little distracting, but he's definitely grown on me.

Currently, I thing L&O:CI have the best stories of the 3 shows. Plus it's fun to see things from the criminals' side of things.



    
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Stephen Rockwood
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 12:21 AM 

Agreed. Donofrio is really good in this series. In fact I'd say this is now the only Law and Order series that is consistently good. The only problem I have with this show is that Donofrio character is so smart it almost makes his partner seem pointless. Although she does go along with his 'interrogation' procedures very well.

 
 
Brian Czako
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Goren and partner

March 1 2004, 12:25 AM 

I really liked it when Eames was out on maternity and they brought in this other partner that really had no idea just how to handle Bobby.


 
 


(Login ChrisHutton)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 12:39 AM 

JB, hopefully you've seen his Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. He also, I'm told ('cuz I haven't seen it yet) excellent in Salton Sea.

 
 

FBrannan
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 12:44 AM 

D'Onofrio was in a truely excellent episode of Homicide: Life on the Streets titled Subway, worth a look even if you can't stand shakey cam.

 
 

(Login bradexample)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 12:51 AM 

there's also a really good movie he stars in with marisa tomei, called happy accidents, where he's a time traveler from the future. caught it on cable recently and he was really fun in it. recommended.

bryan carney
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(Login MikeSawin)
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Vince's Comic Connection

March 1 2004, 1:41 AM 

And who could forget that ol' Vince played "Thor" in Adventures In Babysitting?

Mike Sawin

Your Friendly Neighborhood Pain In The Ass

 
 


(Login Joe_Martino)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 7:28 AM 

I really liked it when Eames was out on maternity and they brought in this other partner that really had no idea just how to handle Bobby.

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Not only didn't she know how to handle him, you could tell she didn't like him.

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(Login davecarr)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 8:00 AM 

Vince would have made a terrific Captain Marvel 10 or 15 years ago. It looks like his face came right out of a Fawcett comic book!




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(Login PierceAskegren)

Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 9:59 AM 

I personally think it's the weakest of the L&O shows, but still enjoyable. It seems to be very much Gerry Conway's show -- a bit more prone to gimmick murders than the other two, and sporting at least one recurrent adversary.

 
 

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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 11:53 AM 

One thing I noticed -- and this is based on having seen only 2 episodes, remember -- is that LO/CI seems to make a little greater effort disguising what I have come to call the "Luck Factor". The original series has gotten a little sloppy with this, with significant clues and reveals dropping into the detective's or DA's laps sometimes much too conveniently, and the show depending mostly on their speed of storytelling to gloss this over. (An episode I watched the other night had an incredible stretch of luck in it, but they whipped it by so fast that it was not until the next day that I sudden went "Hey! Wait a second!")

With the way they play Goren's near superhuman intellect, they can cover some of this by having him "know stuff". It's a Reed Richards trick, really. "I had heard there was a giant two headed monster guarding this island. . . "

JB-)

 
 

(Login mguggenheim)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 11:58 AM 

"One thing I noticed -- and this is based on having seen only 2 episodes, remember -- is that LO/CI seems to make a little greater effort disguising what I have come to call the "Luck Factor". The original series has gotten a little sloppy with this, with significant clues and reveals dropping into the detective's or DA's laps sometimes much too conveniently, and the show depending mostly on their speed of storytelling to gloss this over."

I'm inclined to agree with you, but the show (L&O: The Original Flavor) has recently undergone a change at the helm of the writing staff, so I'm curious to see if you -- and other members of this board -- notice an improvement in this area.

"(An episode I watched the other night had an incredible stretch of luck in it, but they whipped it by so fast that it was not until the next day that I sudden went "Hey! Wait a second!")"

Just out of curiosity, do remember what episode this was?

- Marc Guggenheim

 
 


(Login Joe_Martino)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 11:59 AM 

I just like how they play on his handicap and make it essential to him solving the cases. He is an excellent interrogator.

Joe Martino
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Danton
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 12:05 PM 

I watch regularly C.S.I., C.S.I.: Miami and Cold Case. Do you watch any of these?

--Danton

 
 


(Login MikeOBrien)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 12:29 PM 

Anyone who can nail Orson Welles as he did in ED WOOD is good in my book!

Mike O'Brien

 
 

(Login PierceAskegren)

Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 12:47 PM 

I like the episodes that provide little bits of insight into Goren's background, especially the ones that hint that some of his tics relate to mental illness that runs in his family -- i.e., his eccentricities probably have a genetic component.

A friend of mine wants desperately to see Goren meet Monk (from MONK) and watch them "out-twitch" one another.

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(Login johnbyrne)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 12:51 PM 

Anyone who can nail Orson Welles as he did in ED WOOD is good in my book!


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Keeping in mind that he was speaking with the voice of Maurice LaMarche!

 
 

Vincent Valenti
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NYPD Blue, anyone?

March 1 2004, 12:53 PM 

In a similar vein, is anyone still watching this show? It's somewhat floundering these days, with the loss of several good cast members, but recently they did a 4-5 week serial killer arc that I thought was pretty good, partially due to the brief return of Kim Delaney.

vv

 
 

Dave Pruitt
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NYPD:Blue

March 1 2004, 2:57 PM 

I watch it, when I can find it on. What's the deal with the crazy schedule?

 
 

Vincent Valenti
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Byrne Victim

Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 3:11 PM 

That happened to me too. They replaced it with that wannabe Sopranos show "In the Line of Fire" in November and planned to resume NYPDB in February, which they did. Of course, I forgot when they were resuming it so I missed a few weeks. I think it's ABC's way of telling the NYPD Blue folks that their days are numbered. Which it is, since next season will be its last. Still, lasting 12 seasons is very impressive.

I hate when networks mess with schedules. It really makes it hard to maintain a fanbase that way. Futurama and Family Guy both suffered from low ratings and eventual cancellation as a result.

vv

 
 

Anonymous
(Login johnbyrne)
The Chief

Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 9:13 PM 

"(An episode I watched the other night had an incredible stretch of luck in it, but they whipped it by so fast that it was not until the next day that I sudden went "Hey! Wait a second!")"

Just out of curiosity, do remember what episode this was?


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The episode featured a young woman being murdered and her plasma TV being stolen. Checking tickets on her car the detectives found a photo-tag, which inspired them to check the camera outside the girl's apartment, which led them to an out of town couple who had been videotaped actually videotaping the robbery!

A few too many bits of luck, but they ran past it so fast I didn't pick up on it immediately.


Incidentally, I took a chance and picked up the first season of L&O/CI on DVD and watched the first 4 episodes tonight. It was interesting to note how fully formed Eames and Goren were, right from the start. I'm enjoying the show a lot, and mostly for their performances and unexpected chemistry.


 
 


(Login Denmaster)
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Re: Late to the Party

March 1 2004, 9:23 PM 

D'Onofrio was terrific in a film called "the Whole Wide World" with Renee Zellweger. He played Robert E. Howard and really made that movie come alive. He was freakin' brilliant. He never ceases to amaze me with his acting chops.

 
 

(Login MelissaAshton)
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Vincent D'Onofrio

March 1 2004, 10:22 PM 

I liked him in The Blood of Heroes (Salute of the Jugger in Australia) which was a very crappy Mad Max-inspired Rutger Hauer vehicle, also starring Joan Chen and Delroy Lindo.

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