Oh nice- I mean that looks very promising.
Very clean with good solid lines.
It also looks like it was penciled by John Byrne-
which is of course important!
Can't wait.
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BTW- is it just me or does the inking on this give this art the "old JB feel"?
That should (if such people were reasonable) give the old "JBs old stuff was better" people something to shut up about.
I can't say for sure since I have seen only the one page- but maybe, just maybe, this art will combine the best of the old (certain inking qualities) and the new (Jbs much better forms, figures and layouts)
One can always hope for the best!
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Thanks for sharing this with us, JB.
These pencils are fantastic (as always) and the inks are very faithful, the finished page really looks like Byrne.
John, it seems you're quite pleased with the result, am I wrong?
The inks look fabulous! Very faithful to the original pencils - excellent stuff.
John, do you know who the letterer is for DP? Looking at that first uncensored balloon, it almost looks like Tom Orzechowski. Which is no bad thing, of course!
The Mendantic Mike N. (Login ArgentFox) Byrne Victim
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March 24 2004, 1:28 PM
I like how he made the afro work (his addition) but makes it feel like JB did it. And he really cleans your line well, JB. Is he a chameleonic inker? By that I mean one who can ink over anyone without injecting his own art style into it.
He's not going to make a name for himself with the fans doing work like this, but hopefully the pros are all taking notice. It is great work.
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Ah yes... Seeing that just proves that JB's old stuff was better. Better than 90% of what's out there today, that is.
Anyway, seriously, nice stuff! As if I wasn't already looking forward to this book, you just had to go ahead and post that page! ("Old stuff is better" my ass...)
By the way, is Trish Mulvihill going to be the colorist? (I hope I spelled her name right....)
When I heard months ago from Doug Hazlewood that he would be inking Doom Patrol I was pretty excited. Not only had I found out what Title Withheld was but also who the inker would be. I Thought at the time that JB's pencils would be well served by Hazlewood's inks and that definitely seems to be the case from the preview posted.
Looking great - the anticipation for this book is killing me!
I must confess to being delighted when DC announced that Doug Hazlewood would be inking Doom Patrol simply because he's always done a superb job over Tom Grummett's pencils during the past few years - and Tom has a similar "clean" artistic style to John's. DC have got a hit on their hands here, for sure. Heck, I've already persuaded two of my colleagues to purchase a copy, and everyone knows that three readers practically makes up the entire comic-purchasing audience of England!
"He's not going to make a name for himself with the fans doing work like this, but hopefully the pros are all taking notice. It is great work."
In my book, Doug Hazelwood made his name long ago with his great work on Superboy (And didn't he do a good chunk of Grummett's run on AOS?). Comparing Grummet's stuff inked by Hazelwood on Superboy/AOS to that inked by Denis Rodier in Action Comics is like comparing, well, Byrne inked by just about anybody to Byrne inked by Ordway.
Not knocking Ordway mind you, but I buy Byrne to see Byrne. When I want to see Ordway, I buy Ordway. I do have a complete run of Power of Shazam, that I treasure.
Lessee, who'd exert MORE influence on pencils? Kevin Nowlan? Bill Sienkiewicz?
That reminds me. Scott Hanna's inks on JB's ASM run made JB's stuff look like Tom Lyle's. Anybody else notice that? Lots of round chins.
Similar question, I have only read one or two comic scripts. There was one of Neil Gaiman's in one of the collections of Sandman. There was a lot of detail about what is in each panel, and the positioning of the panels on the page, etc.
Do you go write a complete breakdown of the story, panel by panel when you are the writer and the penciler?
Can you share with us the process you follow for taking your story from your imagination to a page of text to a drawn page?
Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions. I know that we all appreciate reading the answers.
Similar question, I have only read one or two comic scripts. There was one of Neil Gaiman's in one of the collections of Sandman. There was a lot of detail about what is in each panel, and the positioning of the panels on the page, etc.
Do you go write a complete breakdown of the story, panel by panel when you are the writer and the penciler?
Can you share with us the process you follow for taking your story from your imagination to a page of text to a drawn page?
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There are just about as many different way to get from A to Z as there are people to do it. I have written full scripts and plots for other artists and for myself. Work most of my fans consider my best stuff -- such as my run on FF -- was mostly done how I am now doing DOOM PATROL -- start drawing on page one and hope I run out of story by page 22!
(This is not as crazy as it sounds. It can be a little nerve-racking, but I have found that it produces the best end results, as I am constantly having to think ahead to how much story I have left and how many pages I have to do it it. Tends to trim the fat automatically.)
And Cory -- the "live art" area on the page is still 10x15, or anything that works out to 2x3.
i really like the Ordway inks i've seen so far, but i think i like this stuff even better. any chance of a bigger scan at some point to dig on some nuances? this looks like a bitmap scan that got a little pixel-chopped upon resizing.
as much as i usually enjoy the JB lettering font, i think i might actually like this one a little better. the JB font is a tiny bit tall and "jaunty" in its feel, this one seems a little wider and "sci-fi."
Work most of my fans consider my best stuff -- such as my run on FF -- was mostly done how I am now doing DOOM PATROL -- start drawing on page one and hope I run out of story by page 22!
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Wow, that really seems amazing to me. When you work this way, do you have to submit some sort of plot to the editor first, or some other means of conveying your thoughts for the story?
We all kind of drool over the pencils/art you post on here, but it would be equally as exciting to see any of your writing/plots posted as well, if possible. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that your skills as a writer are equal to those as a penciller/inker, yet sometimes seem to get left in the dust with all of this eye candy to look at!
Dwayne Ferguson http://www.whatashock.com "There is no wisdom or virtue in seeking unnecessary martydom or deliberately courting persecution..."
C.S. Lewis
This is very much the feel of what I have programmed in my head as the default setting for JB's art. Love seeing it on the page. It's very true to the pencils, but not entirely a trace job. Good stuff.
I often think inkers are the offensive linemen of comics art. You generally only hear the names of these unsung heroes when they're doing it wrong. If they're doing their jobs right, the penciller gets all the fanboy glory.
I'm amazed at some of you guys recognizing letterers though - that's an eye for detail!
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Work most of my fans consider my best stuff -- such as my run on FF -- was mostly done how I am now doing DOOM PATROL -- start drawing on page one and hope I run out of story by page 22!
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Wow, that really seems amazing to me. When you work this way, do you have to submit some sort of plot to the editor first, or some other means of conveying your thoughts for the story?
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I talk over my storylines with my editors, of course, but after 30 years in the business, most of them are prepared to assume I know how to get the job done.
Doom Patrol has always been 1 of my fav DC titles in all its various incarnations (yes all it's incarnations) not saying I loved all the creators input...but just loved the original characters, are they all gona be there ????
And now its gona get the Byrne twist/touch/rethink I'm like a kid with £5.00 in a penny pick-n-mix shop.
I talk over my storylines with my editors, of course, but after 30 years in the business, most of them are prepared to assume I know how to get the job done.
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JB does that mean that the editors who aren't prepared to assume you know what you're doing will occasionally ask you to rework pieces you've already completed? Under what circumstances would they ask for you to go back to the drawing board (bad pun unintended)?
Edited to fix typos.
This message has been edited by R.Charles on Mar 24, 2004 7:56 PM
I always thought Doug Hazlewood would do a nice job over your pencils. Nice to see I was right! This looks great.
I know next to nothing about the Doom Patrol, but I will certainly be picking up this series. And I find it quite welcoming that you're starting over from scratch--I don't have to immerse myself in decades of continuity to get into it.
And I find it quite welcoming that you're starting over from scratch--I don't have to immerse myself in decades of continuity to get into it.
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A good plan might be to read 6 or 8 issues of the new DOOM PATROL book and then check out the ARCHIVES. That's a lot of fun stuff Drake and Premiani did, perhaps the closest DC ever really got to a Marvel book, and it should not be missed.
I bought the hardcover about a year ago.
I liked it a lot and agree that it was about as close to a silver age marvel as they ever got.
But there were some things I didnt like.
I didn't like the gimmick about Negative man only being able to stay 'out of the body' for 60's.
In fact I was never totally sure what this guy could do.
I didn't like the fact how they always bitched about society always thinking that they are freaks but we never really saw many examples of this.
I can't wait until I see how they are handeled by Byrne.
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C.S. Lewis
Count me amongst those in favor of this glimpse of the Byrne/Hazelwood collaboration. Great looking stuff! Can't wait to see the entire book. You made a good choice in Doug, John. He's serving your pencils very well.
Thanks, as always, for sharing...and for the pencils, too! I can't believe you can finish a page in two hours...my head is spinning from trying to imagine that.
Nice page. The scientist with the pony tail reminds me of one of Peter Parkers work colleauges that JB introduced in his stint on Spider-Man with Howard Mackie.
I look at that page and see Fanboys trying to suggest that Joshua Clay is appearing in this issue - which I assume is not the case.
didn't like the fact how they always bitched about society always thinking that they are freaks but we never really saw many examples of this.
The thing to remember is that the Doom Patrol were accepted as heroes, but never as your next door neighbor. That was the freak of society aspect...granted, that exact scene wasn't played out every issue, but by playing out the scene that they were recognized heroes who still felt they were freaks...that very nicely filled in the blanks.
The original series was brilliant, IMHO. I have every confidence JB will maintain that "atmosphere".
Now if I can just figure a way to have JB bring Rip Hunter back to greatness, too...
Anyone know why I can never seem to get the whole image when JB posts artwork?
Mike
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Hey, John-
If you look at the ink drawing closely, is that the next page bleeding thru? For instance, in the final panel, you can see a female torso and waist. Do they go back to back?
It's obviously different, but Hazelwood's inks give me the same general feel to JB's pencils that Ordway did, back in the FF days (not Overpowering Ordway from JLA!).
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