Apparently because The Alamo got beat by Passion and Hellboy and all sorts of other films, people are talking about Eisner's job again.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=580&e=3&u=/nm/20040412/bs_nm/media_disney_dc


No matter what they do to Corporate Disney, I hope they don't ever merge with Comcast. That would be just so wrong.

Mike Nebeker - Super Genuis
Good Judgement comes from Experience and Experience comes from... Bad Judgement.

From the moment THE ALAMO was announced, I knew it was going to be a flop -- even during pre-production, when Ron Howard was attached to it and the producers were going after A-list stars. Did Disney really think Dennis Quaid was a marquee name? When the release date was pushed from Christmas to spring at the last minute, I knew it would be a bloodbath.

Films that depict real-life historical events are almost never blockbusters. PEARL HARBOR, APOLLO 13 and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN might be the only ones in recent memory, and they all featured red-hot A-list stars. I don't know why the studios keep churning out these expensive biopics when they rarely perform as hoped. Fictional stories wrapped into historical context are much easier for an audience to swallow (e.g. GONE WITH THE WIND and TITANIC).

Hollywood should really pay me to act as a consultant.

Brendan Howard

<<Films that depict real-life historical events are almost never blockbusters. PEARL HARBOR, APOLLO 13 and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN might be the only ones in recent memory>>

That depends on whether you consider "The Passion of the Christ" to be historical, I guess.

Even if we put THE PASSION on that list, it was made for a reasonable $30 million while THE ALAMO was $100 million. Even if THE PASSION had only been a moderate hit ($50-100 million) it would have still been profitable.

Based on THE ALAMO'S subject matter and creative personnel -- and the fact that it had little chance to play well overseas -- Disney was nuts to dump so much money into it.

Brendan Howard

Any numbers on the Texas Box Office?

<<Films that depict real-life historical events are almost never blockbusters. PEARL HARBOR, APOLLO 13 and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN might be the only ones in recent memory>>

That depends on whether you consider "The Passion of the Christ" to be historical, I guess.
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Of course it's historical.

It's as historical as shoving all hundreds of thousand of animal species in a wooden boat, the world being around 6000 years old & Carbon 14 tests being all clearly irrelevant and flawed.

And the earth being flat of course.

(Some poorly educated people still endure on thinking Galileo Galilei & Copernicvs were right -- Amazing, uh? And of course, all my country's 500 year old navigators - Vasco da Gama, Fernão de Magalhães, Infante Dom Henrique, Gil Eanes, João Gonçalves Zarco, Bartolomeu Dias, Pedro Álvares
Cabral, Diogo Cão, et cetera -- What a bunch of nutballs -- Magalhães actually claimed to have circumnavigated the earth, bwhahaha, hilarious!)

.....Gallileo was right. The earth does circle the sun.

WO

Of course it's historical.

It is. There actually WAS a historical Jesus.

As for the Alamo, I'm not sure I'm convinced that the genre killed interest in this movie. I can attest that the reports of historical inaccuracies and that it seemed like a Disney "fairy tale" killed interest in alot of circles.

Of course it's historical.

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It is. There actually WAS a historical Jesus.

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Rich (or anyone else) -

There is very limited proof that Jesus existed. In fact, only one book, and that was written many years after his supposed death, and it could be argued that that book was written by people with a bit of an agenda. Never mind the agendas of the people who edited it over the years.

Site some other source than that one book, and then we can talk about how historical Jesus was.

Galileo was only half-right. He believed that the Earth orbits the Sun (true), but he also believed that the Sun was the center of the universe (false).

Non-Biblical Evidence of Jesus:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/2393209.stm

That box was proving to be fake. It was made in a shop.

Galileo was only half-right. He believed that the Earth orbits the Sun (true), but he also believed that the Sun was the center of the universe (false).


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The former it true, the latter is a matter of interpretation. Since the Universe is infinite, and eveything in it is moving away from everything else in it, wherever you happen to be located is the "center".

JB-)

That box was proving to be fake. It was made in a shop.

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Even had that box not failed every test to which it was subjected, it would not have been proof of a historical Jesus. The names listed were three of the most common male names in that part of the world at the time. That there would have been only one man named Joseph who had sons named James and Joshua beggars statistical odds (which was the first doubt raised when the box was "discovered".)


(I'm reminded of a story that ran in worldwide news sources when I was about 14. The remains of a young man who had been crucified, dating from about the right vintage, turned up in Palestine. Immediately, hyperactive religious folk started insisting it was the body of Jesus and so the greatest discovery in the history of ever. Even at the time I wondered if any of them had bothered to read their book. . . )

>>The former it true, the latter is a matter of interpretation. Since the Universe is infinite, and eveything in it is moving away from everything else in it, wherever you happen to be located is the "center".<<

I KNEW IT!!!

I AM THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE!!!

>Gallileo was right. The earth does circle the sun<

And in the Middle Ages men like Ptolemy taught that "in relation to the distance of the fixed stars the whole Earth must be reguarded as a point with no magnitude."

And his teachings were accepted back in the middle ages.

The people in the past are no where near as ignorant about the universe and its size than a lot of modern people are ignorant of them.
Everything we know we have learned because they came up with the most brilliant things-
We would know next to nothing if not for their knowledge and the base of knowledge they gave us.

When they told Columbus that he was crazy to try to sell around the world, it wasn't ebcause they thought it flat- it was because they (the portaguese) had figured the distance at about 10,000 miles while Chris thought it much less- proves they were right they just didn't know about the huge land mass called North America in the way.


BTW I watched the Alamo tonight-
sigh... money I will never see again.