score one for the spyder owner. I am glad you like your tl, and yes I have shot one. They are very accurate, that I can say, but if you read the top post you can see why it's not the gun for me. I want a gun with certain features, and to upgrade the tl to what i would want would cost a furtune. I could make an se rear cocking and that would hold me off till I could get a better bolt. But I have observed a trend in the paintball world lately. Everyone want's to upgade, everyone. So we all just step from one gun to another from talon to stingray to spyder to mag or cocker and so on and so on till you get an angel or shocker, then you get pissed because your high dollar gun wastes too much paint so you sell it and get something differnt. That is just what I've seen going on.