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Sleep cycle & Meditation

September 27 2009 at 9:27 PM
  (Login prujoy)

Hi,

I have noticed that as I settle into a very regular, twice daily practice of meditation, that my sleep cycle also starts changing - I start falling asleep much earlier in the evenings & then waking up much earlier in the mornings, as soon as the tiniest bit of light is in the sky.

This change of sleep cycle does cause a bit of upset in my interrelations with the rest of my family as both my son & husband are "night" people.

Has anyone else experienced this?

PJ


 
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September 30 2009, 4:14 AM 

Hi - well, I eventually answered by own question by "googling" happy.gif

the simple answer is "Melatonin" - meditation increases melatonin & melatonin regulates the sleep/wake cycle of the body.

I am still studying as to just how it does this (it's quite tricky but fascinating)

PJ

 
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PruJoy
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Any contributions ...?

October 4 2009, 10:17 PM 

I am a bit bemused as to why no-one has contributed any feedback or additional information regarding the sleep/wake cycle & meditation - I am sure David & Gavin would, after 40 years of meditation, have a really good understanding of Melatonin & how it works both in their own experience & from observing others & perhaps even from reading results of studies - so I would still be most grateful for any input as I thought that was the purpose of this forum & if it isn't (the place that is) then perhaps some feedback on just why that is would also be appreciated.

 
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David Spector - NSR/USA
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About melatonin

October 4 2009, 10:41 PM 

Pru Joy,

I didn't reply to your original post in this thread because you didn't ask a question. You described your experience and asked if anyone else had that experience.

I believe that not too many NSR meditators read this forum regularly, which should explain why you got no responses.

If I can be of any help, just let me know. Unfortunately, I know nothing about the effect of melatonin supplementation. There is a Wikipedia article athttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin that might serve as a good starting point to find information.

David Spector
NSR Meditation/USA

 
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PruJoy
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Further ...

October 5 2009, 5:06 AM 

Oh so it was a misunderstanding as to my intent - OK - but I am not referring to "melatonin supplementation" at all - I am only referring to the fact that I found that Melatonin is naturally increased by the pineal gland after regular meditation & hence starts to alter the sleep/wake cycle - do you know anything about this physical side effect of meditation?


 
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David Spector - NSR/USA
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Melatonin

October 5 2009, 1:59 PM 

Pru Joy,

No, I'm sorry. I know nothing about melatonin other than what I read in the Wikipedia article. I have no idea what effect transcending has on melatonin production by the pineal gland and the other sources of this hormone in the body.

I'm also sorry for any misunderstandings. Questions for me may be indicated as such. I do not wish to dominate this forum if others would like to contribute their experience and knowledge.

Once all stress is gone, many physiological systems normalize automatically. This means that the body functions the best that it can, given any permanent structural damage that has been done by living with stress for many years. Unlike the body, which may have some residual dysfunction, the changes in the mind are much more profound. Joy and freedom come from accessing the full potential of the mind on all levels.

David Spector
NSR Meditation/USA


    
This message has been edited by david_NSR on Oct 5, 2009 3:07 PM


 
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PruJoy
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Thanx

October 6 2009, 8:19 AM 

Thank you David happy.gif

 
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Sleep patterns and melatonin

October 8 2009, 9:37 AM 

I too have no knowledge about the clinical effects of Transcendental Meditation on melatonin and the latter's effects on sleep patterns. But I would imagine that as the bodily functions begin to normalize through daily transcending, sleep patterns would be part of such a normalization process.

Further, for humans who are not really nocturnal beings, I would imagine that the more natural bodily response would indeed be to shift into sleep mode once darkness has come, and to feel awake at first light in the morning. So ... my own self-informed logic without scientific backup would suggest that after learning TM or NSR one would in time feel like going to bed earlier than before becoming a regular meditator. I understand too, however, that age can also influence sleep patterns, as can a host of other factors.

I have found lately that I am going to bed earlier, yet I am waking up later than, say, six months ago. Perhaps my system is taking more rest after having been pushed for so long with publishers' deadlines.

Regarding the social and family implications, I think sleep patters are only one area in which a meditator's life changes over time. I have always thought that it is advantageous for both partners to learn the meditation technique, and hopefully also stay regular with it. As consciousness unfolds, it it good if both partners can experience changes. If one partner grows faster than the other, some compromises may become necessary in order for good harmony to prevail.

Anyway, these are just my personal opinions. happy.gif

 
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Here's a medical website about TM

October 8 2009, 9:42 AM 

Oops! I nearly forgot ... I recently saw this URL in the signature of a TM Teacher's e-mail.http://www.doctorsontm.com

 
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David Spector - NSR/USA
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Sleep cycle & Meditation

October 8 2009, 2:51 PM 

Gavin,

Thanks for your excellent comments. I'm thinking that perhaps Pru Joy could contact some of the physicians on that website, who are very familiar with transcending, to see if they can help her with her problem.

David Spector
NSR Meditation/USA

 
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