My history of the relations between Taiwan and China Cross-straits relations is kind of rusty. Can anyone give me a brief piece (I don't mind long paragraphs) of insight on their goals, Pan-green, pan-blue parties, etc. Starting with the civil war all the way to current day events when KMT won the elections in March.

谢谢 (Thanks)

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The softest thing on the universe
Overcomes the hardest thing in the universe.
That without substance can enter where there is no room.
Hence I know the value of non-action.

Teaching without words and work without doing
Are understood by very few.

- Lao Tzu 老子

where do we start?

Basically Split into 6 phases

1. Qing Era-Japanese Occupation, Anti Japanese resistance

2. Civil War Era leading to KMT fleeing to Taiwan and the 228 Incident

3. Martial Law, land reform and Cold War rhetoric against the mainland

4. Chiang Ching Kuo, the Economic Miracle, Loss of International Recognition, Democracy

5. Life after martial law- Lee Teng Hui, Taiwanisation vs "Chinese", Pan Blue vs Pan Green, Economic waste

6. Now and the future

Civil War- KMT leeing to Taiwan

The formation of Taiwan and very briefly the kind of rule it had up to the point when it turned democratic

Pan Green Pan blue

Btw, didnt your family come from Taiwan? I want to know the relations based on Taiwan's perspective since I always hear the mainlanbds perspective.

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The softest thing on the universe
Overcomes the hardest thing in the universe.
That without substance can enter where there is no room.
Hence I know the value of non-action.

Teaching without words and work without doing
Are understood by very few.

- Lao Tzu 老子

"Civil War- KMT leeing to Taiwan

The formation of Taiwan and very briefly the kind of rule it had up to the point when it turned democratic

Pan Green Pan blue

Btw, didnt your family come from Taiwan? I want to know the relations based on Taiwan's perspective since I always hear the mainlanbds perspective. "

I am what Taiwanese consider as a "mainlander" , a Chinese that went over during and after the Civil War. The "Taiwanese" are just Hakkas and Hoklos that went to Taiwan before China lost it to Japan during the First Sino-Japanese War. I consider myself loyal as a Chinese to the whole of China- this political BS does nothing for me. Since the end of martial law- the whole differentiation of mainlander and Taiwanese has really ended- everyone is in the same boat now.

I strongly recommend The Generalissimo's Son: Chiang Ching-Kuo and the Revolutions in China and Taiwan by Jay Taylor- its an excellent biography- really answers the vast majority of your queries particularly about the Post Civil War, Pre-Democracy era- the shady grey area that is really unknown. I gained a tremdenous amount of respect for Chiang Jnr - unlike the Gimo, he tolerated dissent, allowed the dude that tried to assasinate him in New York to live (he is now a politician), stated the Three Links with the mainland, made private contact with Deng Xiaoping (former classmate) through Lee Kuan Yew and guided democracy. He and his Premier Sun Yun Suan are the main architects of Taiwan's massive change.

I will post some answers in the next fews days- i am stuck atm with exams creeping up.

some of these propaganda videos by the Government Information Office ( once one of the most powerful bodies in the KMT government) are OK to watch- alot of development videos are ok- obviously biased

http://taiwanimage.gio.gov.tw/film_en/record_video_list.jsp?subject_id=1&subject_title=�j���l��&level=1>

After WW2, These two parties (Nationalist, Communist) went on the destined collusion course. The Soviet supported Chinese communists took the Northern China. The America equipped Nationalists occupied southern provinces of Yang Tzu River. These two Chinese parties were just going to finish their pre-WW2 grudges. But I don��t really know on what were the grudges. Anyway, you knew the Communists won.

After KMT retreating to Taiwan, the people were told to Fighting For Freedom & Democracy. At Mainland, they said to liberate us. These two sides were just like fires and water back in those days. That remained pretty much the same before I was born.

Then both senior and junior Chinag died. Lee was installed to the presidency. The DDP members then became very active for their beliefs. Under DDP insistences over giving true freedom to the people in Taiwan, Lee worked on the true democracy. It was under Lee, Taiwan had its true Presidential Election. The then relationship between ROC and PRC was warm under Lee. Both parties were even talking about the reunification.

After Lee retired, ��Taiwanese�� elected A-Ben as the President of ��ROC��. Then the people tasted what they sowed. The then relationship between PRC and ��ROC�� was dead.

Now, for the later March ROC Presidential Election, without anymore divisions over political beliefs, Pan-Blue parties and people unified to gang on Pan-Green people. Then Pan-Blue overwhelmed Pan-Green on votes.

Except promised ROC economic booms, Elected Pan-Blue candidate also promised a good relationship with PRC without losing dignity.

So that��s the latest update for you.

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I would say that the current state of relations between the mainland and taiwan is to be split into two parts... up to the early 90's the KMT was still the main power on taiwan and was still in a continuation civil war rivalry with the communists on the mainland for legitemacy of power.. after the DPP and localization policies the difference between both parties changed to one of stopping the DPP policies of spliting the social fabric to it's advantage and makeing politics on taiwan almost purely about mainland taiwanese (post ww2 and 1949 newcomers) vs. fujian settler taiwanese "hoklo" (pre-1895, during japanese colonial period) ... what the best outcome currently would be a reproachment type scenario that both sides have more contact on the grassroots level and to try and close the 50 year gap of social difference and change the social issues that stem from the per capita income difference that spawns feelings of superiority or inferiority based on income class separation that comes with it. The problem now is to try and reverse the portions of localization policies (that in my opinion are almost a light version of the cultural revolution on taiwan) that don't benefit any sense of local taiwanese culture other than was pushed to give the DPP a platform of support based in that manipulation of existing social differences, many of the old DPP have left the party due to the fact that under ah-bian the basis of the party had just become a monopoly of power for his personal gain and that of his cronies, the original cause to promote the local culture on taiwan was lost to be abused as a tool in using it to gain the support of the masses, but once the election was over many of the promises were tossed aside with lame excuses.. the diffence between the CCP and the KMT are one of overall control that is still an ongoing side effect of the unfinished civil war, also thrown into the mix is the threat to both from the DPP... the DPP point is now to regroup from the 2 terms of ah-bian to rebuild their platform and reform the party, the difference of the DPP towards the KMT and the CPC is one of being chinese or not (culturally, not PRC national) , the difference is being lost in a mix of politics and local interests that feel cheated after their powers were removed when the KMT moved in.. under the japanese they were groups that held power within the japanese system of colony, they were second class citizens but they still benefited from serving the colonial master (as was also the case of the british colonial empire) .. the corruption of the KMT in the years of jiang jie shi .aka. chiang kai shek aka. Generalissimo created alot of the social problem between the "waisenren" vs. "bensenren" that gave rise to the beginnings of the DPP movement, the policies that he took were in the context of keeping tight control of power in the face of constant threat of invasion from the communist and removing the dissent from the pro-empire of japan taiwanese that threatened the ROC power and could some day help the japanese attack again (this was based on there loyalties being in question).. also other dissenters both hoklo and waisenren were jailed to preserve his power.. it seems much of the discontent from "bensenren" and the DPP are based on a act of revenge and do really hold any long term beneficial goals of taiwan itself be it planed by the DPP or the views of hardcore locals, both don't really have a plan other than bashing the KMT and it's policies of yesterday, through this they reject chinese culture as a splitting point between them and the KMT and CPC, what is lost in this is that some would have this view without having any clear views of what "taiwanese culture" really is and if there really is one in a national context.. in today's modern situation much of the past conditions have changed and their needs to be a move for all sides to leave the past in the past and look to the future

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" I don't care if the cat is black or white, just as long as it gets the mice "

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