Ex-soldier told to remove 'offensive' Aussie flag
A COUNCIL has ordered an ex-soldier to take down the Australian flag which flies outside his house because it has been deemed "offensive" by a neighbour.
Aaron Wilson erected the 5m high flagpole eight weeks ago, in honour of his friends who served in Iraq.

But on Tuesday, Logan City Council called to tell him a neighbour had made a complaint, labelling it "offensive".
He was told to remove the pole or risk legal action. Mr Wilson, whose father fought in Vietnam, said he was disgusted.

"I find it astonishing that anyone could find the Australian flag offensive," he said.

"My family and friends have served for the country and the very least I can do is have a flag to show my appreciation for Australia.

"I thought the council had better things to do with their time than persecute people for putting a flag up."
Logan City mayor Pam Parker said she backed Mr Wilson but could not rule out his having to move the flagpole.


``I am offended that somebody should complain to the council about the Australian flag, and whoever they are should hang their head in shame,'' she told ABC Radio.


Ms Parker said the flagpole had ``setback issues'' which she would discuss with council officers.


A council spokeswoman said there was a concern the flagpole could fall down in high winds. She said Mr Wilson needed a building permit, because the pole was only 4.5m from the kerb and, under the Queensland Development Code, it should be at least 6m from the front.

But Mr Wilson, 30, a salesman from Eagleby, near Beenleigh, said other residents in the area had similar flagpoles that were closer to the boundary than his.

He said he would not be moving the flag. "You can't have rules for some people and not for others," he said. "I can't see how moving the flag back a bit is going to stop it being offensive."

Ex-serviceman Cr Ray Hackwood, who represents Mr Wilson's ward, said he would be monitoring the situation.

"As area councillor, I certainly won't allow anyone to pull down an Australian flag," he said.

Mr Wilson's neighbours last night were baffled as to who had complained.

Felicia Maybury, 28, said: "Mr Wilson's got a right to fly his flag in support of his country and his mates who fought for us."
Logan City mayor Pam Parker said she backed Mr Wilson but could not rule out his having to move the flagpole.

``I am offended that somebody should complain to the council about the Australian flag, and whoever they are should hang their head in shame,'' she told ABC Radio.

Ms Parker said the flagpole had ``setback issues'' which she would discuss with council officers.


source: http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24467397-952,00.html


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Find that neighbour and label him a traitor to the Commonwealth of Australia, shun the **** from Australian society.

Whoever finds the Australian flag 'offensive' and is an Australian citizen should have their citizenship revoked. I'm sick of this PC ****.
If its some permanent resident or non citizen, they can shove it up their ass.

Good men died for that flag in the name of liberty and it makes my blood boil when I hear **** like this.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

Watch it Rzecz if but one person finds your reply offensive, you're in big trouble.


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"The enemy dies relaxed," observed a Lockheed Martin manager.

They can suck my ass. Australia is still not as PC as the rest of the West. Things like this have gotten over turned before and will be again.

****ing socialist scum with all their agendas and offences.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

Welcome to the PC madhouse, make yourself comfortable you may be here a while.

PC is just another way to restrict peoples freedom, it can be stretched from restriction to freedom of speech to expression/behaviour. In short it is a form of control and once you open up those kinds doors it is very difficult to predict where it will lead. F1cking bull****, we have some PC laws in Sweden as well but not this harsh.

for example we have something called "hets mot folkgrupp" where people can be fined for using racial slurs in public, utter bull**** if you ask me. Even though I would be the recipient of those words I still would never support such a ban, just like I would never support a ban on the Nazi party. People should be allowed to say do what they want as long as it is not harming/restricting another person.

but in this case, it is utterly ridiculous as raising your countries flag is anything but offensive, at least to people who belong in that country.



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But imagine if a native Australian were to ever complain about being offended by a foreign flag flown by his immigrant neighbor next door. That would never do. Guy would be lucky to escape without being arrested and charged for xenophobia, which in many places is now also a crime.

F.uck an eye for an eye. You take my eye, and I will kill you, and all those you care about. That is our policy.

It was either a Muslim, Leb or some whiney leftist

offensive?

its not the flag, its the pole. maybe it reminds her of that pole dancing WAFFer.

The situation is a bit complicated. He was not ordered to remove the flag because it was 'offensive' but because the flag pole itself broke council building regulations. Normally of course nobody really cares, but since some dropkick went out of his way to complain about it, the council were forced to take notice. It's happened many times before in the same area. If the council had any PR sense at all they'd arrange for the flag-pole to be moved free of charge to where it was legal, and then happily let the owner fly his flag forevermore. Although to their credit the mayor did go on radio to denounce the complainee, and tell him if he doesn't like the country he should leave.

Of course, whoever did complain about the flag, and I'm sure the council knows how it is, should be taken to the beach and catapulted into the ocean with the flag of his choice wrapped around him. Ungrateful bastard. I proudly fly a flag I took to Iraq with me at home, and damned if anyone will get me to take that down.

- Sarge

If the neighbor feels that the flag on that pole can cause damage to his house in the event of a storm or something, they are totally justified in asking for the removal. City rules are rules, if you need a permit to build a wall or pole or whatever, then don't break the law and build one without the city's permission. Putting national flag colors on there doesn't make it less illegal. Rzecz, I thought you weren't so jingoistic.

Today "jingoistic" means not willing to bend over backwards and roll twice every time some fuking minority or foreign national expresses the slightest bit of displeasure. Long live jingoism.

F.uck an eye for an eye. You take my eye, and I will kill you, and all those you care about. That is our policy.

If by Jingoistic you mean patriotic, then hell yeah.

These council rules are stupid and they are inconsistent (one of the major scourges of Australia is the local councils bureaucracy). If you read the article, the flag was taken down for not only being offensive, but the council backtracked and then issued that the flag pole was in the wrong place and could cause damage. But there are multiple people in the same council that have this same 'trespass' and they haven't been told to do anything.

There wouldn't be a massive issue with the council if the flag pole was in the wrong place, they'd simply say move it back a few metres, not take it down.

Maybe I thought you'd be more perceptive. The problem is a PC culture with a bunch of reject council members making a issue of it because of a offended retard.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

"But imagine if a native Australian were to ever complain about being offended by a foreign flag flown by his immigrant neighbor next door. That would never do. Guy would be lucky to escape without being arrested and charged for xenophobia, which in many places is now also a crime."

Well you have to understand that the flag for Native Australians isn't this but this

So knowing the history behind it, it's plausible that they maybe offended. That said I believe in freedom of expression and people have every right to show their patriotism to any flag, ideology or political movement. So you can be offended but don't go b1tching to the city council over it.

Aborigines had flags? Since when? lol. Anyway, let's not start that bulls.hit about who was where first, else we will have to fly the flag of the amoeba and the archeobacteria. What matters is who is here NOW.

F.uck an eye for an eye. You take my eye, and I will kill you, and all those you care about. That is our policy.

I'm just questioning your term "native" Australians, Europeans are not "native" to Australia and last time I checked Aborigines are still there.

I'm just questioning your term "native" Australians, Europeans are not "native" to Australia and last time I checked Aborigines are still there.

If you want to be technical, the aborigines are not 'native' Australians either. The aborigines colonised the continent and destroyed the native population themselves, only it was a few thousand years before the Europeans did it. Perhaps someone should make up a flag for the real first inhabitants of Australia, Mungo Man, and procliam that to be the real flag of the nation. Or maybe common sense will prevail.

Either way, I was born in Australia and have lived all my life here. How does that make me any less 'native' than any living Aborigine?

- Sarge

But imagine if a native Australian were to ever complain about being offended by a foreign flag flown by his immigrant neighbor next door. That would never do. Guy would be lucky to escape without being arrested and charged for xenophobia, which in many places is now also a crime

As BP mentioned, natives were not Europeans but aboriginals.

Sarge just because you lived in Australia does not/should not entitle you to anything. I lived whole my life in the Universe, doesn't mean I own the universe. "Australia" was stolen by the British, that's a fact, as long as that stolen land is not returned, you are an immigrant, an illegal one.

Kiss my ass stolen. It was taken because Aboriginals were too weak to defend it. Therefore they lost any title to it.

Sarge just because you lived in Australia does not/should not entitle you to anything.

It entitles him to a Australian citizenship. Therefore he is Australian. Why are aboriginals entitled to anything if they lost it? Doesm this scenario then cross over to all nations of the world. I'd be careful what you say next because hypocrisy is bound to come next.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

Brazil belongs to native brazilians, long live the native brazilian cause.



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Quote: I lived whole my life in the Universe, doesn't mean I own the universe. "Australia" was stolen by the British, that's a fact, as long as that stolen land is not returned, you are an immigrant, an illegal one.

I'm pretty sure this is one of the more stupid statements that i've seen for some time on this forum, the universe reference being particularly moronic.

Sarge just because you lived in Australia does not/should not entitle you to anything. I lived whole my life in the Universe, doesn't mean I own the universe. "Australia" was stolen by the British, that's a fact, as long as that stolen land is not returned, you are an immigrant, an illegal one.

You seem to have missed my point. If you want to get technical, the Aborigines stole Australia as well. Before the aborigines came to Australia, there was a primitive Neanderthal-like proto-man living here, which the Aborgines outcompeted and ultimately destroyed when they 'invaded'. If you want to use your line of reasoning, the Aborigines have no more historical claim to Australia than do the European settlers. By your logic the Aborignes are 'illegal immigrants' too.

More to the point, any Aborigine that was alive when the Europeans 'stole' it is long since dead. So are the European settlers. Since I personally never stole any land from anyone, why do I have any less claim to the country than any Aborigine?

- Sarge

Quote: Before the aborigines came to Australia, there was a primitive Neanderthal-like proto-man living here, which the Aborgines outcompeted and ultimately destroyed when they 'invaded'.

sorry mate. its not the neandertal-like proto-man.

it was the monkeys. yeah, you could say they went down under ...

"Brazil belongs to native brazilians, long live the native brazilian cause."

It most certainly does, their 0.5% of the entire population and own 13% of all land. Just to put things into perspective, Brazil is as large as Western Europe.

@Sarge, you can't play it that way. lol

I am glad we understand each other, now please do kindly deport your/99% of the populations imperialist ass out of the country asap.

Long live native brazillian cause, Long live the stone age.



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