Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 9 2009, 7:38 PM
Are you comparing the rather short-lived Nazi controlled Germany from 1933-1945 to the SuperPower USA from 1945-Present? If so, by far USA. If comparing in those years, by far Nazi Germany.
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 17 2009, 1:53 PM
Are you comparing the rather short-lived Nazi controlled Germany from 1933-1945 to the SuperPower USA from 1945-Present? If so, by far USA. If comparing in those years, by far Nazi Germany.
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You are ignoring the fact that, the USA made all those strides after 1945 from German research, not from it's own research.
Do you think you would have gone to the moon in 1969 without the Germans? I don't think so.
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 18 2009, 11:42 AM
And do you think the Germans would've gone anywhere in Rocket Science without Robert H. Goddard? I don't think so. You're ignoring the many other technological breakthroughs and inventions from 1945-Present. Limiting your views to the moon landing, how close minded. Perhaps you might wanna look up the definition of 'innovation' next time before you go off beating your chest again. Do some research while you're at it.
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 18 2009, 5:15 PM
And do you think the Germans would've gone anywhere in Rocket Science without Robert H. Goddard? I don't think so. You're ignoring the many other technological breakthroughs and inventions from 1945-Present. Limiting your views to the moon landing, how close minded. Perhaps you might wanna look up the definition of 'innovation' next time before you go off beating your chest again. Do some research while you're at it.
This would have been something worth debating, but no, you had to and reply with insults without being provoked.
You little motherfukcing sh!t bag, the next time you reply to one of my posts, you better start showing some fukcing respect, you really don't want to fukc with me!!!
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 18 2009, 5:22 PM
Who the fvck do you think you are stefan? Since when did you become such a tough guy? How about you learn to respond according to my post instead of making dumbass statements like the one above. If you want some fvcking respect you better earn it, being an admin doesn't warrant respect, it's earned. You have some thin skin.
you really don't want to fukc with me!!!
ROFL, and what the fvck are you gonna do about it? Ban me? Cry me a river, the truth hurts i know. Next time don't bother talking if you can't get your facts straight.
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 19 2009, 7:45 AM
whoa!! Its the first time in 5 years i have seen polizei lose his cool, i guess personal/professional stress does get to the best of man.
on topic i would say nazi germany, yes morally they are not the best buddies to have but man give them credit. Their technological innovations were a generation ahead of allied countries.
Now i wanted to ask something to nintendo but the guy is banned so i would ask it to polizei here, Robert J Oppenheimer, was he ethnic German?
I am not asking his nationality but ethnicity, the name Oppenheimer sounds very german (read a few "commando" comics so vaguely familiar with german names)
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 19 2009, 12:35 PM
Definitely the Germans/Nazis. Some of their technological concepts and scientific ideas were light years ahead of the US and the rest of the west. The US and Soviets, after the fall of Berlin, competed to get the best pioneers and scientists of the fallen Nazi regime, out for themselves. The US owes an incredible amount of its pretty sudden leap forward in science and technology, post WW-II, to these German scientists.
"Definitely the Germans/Nazis. Some of their technological concepts and scientific ideas were light years ahead of the US and the rest of the west. The US and Soviets, after the fall of Berlin, competed to get the best pioneers and scientists of the fallen Nazi regime, out for themselves. The US owes an incredible amount of its pretty sudden leap forward in science and technology, post WW-II, to these German scientists."
I agree with your point. However, the irony of the Nazi German inovations in WWII was that they came to fruition too late to change the outcome of the war. Another problem was that the German inovations were so revolutionary they were far ahead of even the Nazi leaderships' mindset. Take the German development of jet aircraft, the most famous being the ME262, had they arrived on the scene just 6 months earlier, these technological marvels would've wiped out the entire Allied air offensive; however, they came too late to change the results of the war. The Germans even developed a crude form of heat seeking missiles, however, to the frustration of the Germans who introduced this new technology, this breakthrough was too advanced for the mindset of their leadership to embrace.
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 20 2009, 3:17 AM
Let alone Germany ****ed up the work of many well known, well accepted, most brilliant German brains that turned to other countries because "jewish" knowledge wasnt accepted despite beeing the best the German Empire had to offer in some cases ... let alone the brilliant works of Einstein or the countless other German-jewish scientists, workers or even soldiers that Imperial Germany accepted as well known, studied leaders.
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I agree with your point. However, the irony of the Nazi German inovations in WWII was that they came to fruition too late to change the outcome of the war. Another problem was that the German inovations were so revolutionary they were far ahead of even the Nazi leaderships' mindset. Take the German development of jet aircraft, the most famous being the ME262, had they arrived on the scene just 6 months earlier, these technological marvels would've wiped out the entire Allied air offensive; however, they came too late to change the results of the war. The Germans even developed a crude form of heat seeking missiles, however, to the frustration of the Germans who introduced this new technology, this breakthrough was too advanced for the mindset of their leadership to embrace.
No disagreement there my friend. If they had utilized alot of those technologies sooner, or the allies had taken somewhat longer in battling and overcoming the Germans; the war's outcome and ultimate victor would probably been the Germans.
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 21 2009, 4:16 AM
No amount of high tech research would have stopped the 10,000,000 million man Soviet army. All this jet aircraft talk is a load of nonsense. They would need an armada of these things (which due to the complicated nature of assembly and Allied bombing of industrial centres) would have meant nothing had they come out 6 months earlier. Even IF they wiped out the Allied air force, there was a raging Soviet Army levelling everything in sight and there was no stopping it.
What the Germans didn't realize was that all you had to do was churn out low cost, reliable equipment (and the industrial output to match) and have strong logistics, which the Germans failed miserably in. World War 2 is almost reminiscent of what Modern Warfare will turn into should the conflict extend longer then 6 months and all those fancy toys are exhausted. It'll be back into the trenches with your soldiers being your victory factor.
What people assume as German innovations and research is rather unfounded. There is no way you can compare the innovations of Nazi Germany to today's USA. For one, Germany focused almost exclusively on warfare and and medical treatment in war scenarios. Today's USA churns out about 2000 patents a year in innovation and inventions, most of which are not military related.
Germany had a chance to be the USA today in innovation and inventions, instead it threw it away by starting another war and being partitioned.
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Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 21 2009, 1:47 PM
"No amount of high tech research would have stopped the 10,000,000 million man Soviet army."
In case you are missing the point here, cruise missiles (rudimentary of course but V1 stil can b tagged as one) and ballistic missiles (V2 rockets) were and are trump weapons, not to forget that nazi germany was doing research on the atom bomb.
nuke tipped V1 n V2 rockets dropping on 10,000,000,000 million russian troops wouldnt b a good picture.
Re: Who is more innovative: Nazi Germany and todays's USA?
November 22 2009, 3:15 AM
You got to be kidding me? Certainly the US benefited from German scientists but you can't possibly claim credit for the amount of innovation in so many fields that the US has achieved in the last 60-70 years alone.