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The Father is the Only True God

January 30 2006 at 2:34 AM
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"He also says, 'In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the
foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.'"

--Hebrews 1:10 (New International Version)

God is Your throne

Many attempt to prove that Christ is God by using verses in the Bible. One such verse they claim to be teaching about the deity of Christ is Hebrews 1:8:

"But to the Son He says: 'Your throne, O god, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom'" (New King James Version)

Proponents of Christ's alleged deity argue that in this verse, God the Father is calling His Son God. But if this were true, then there would be two Gods - a conclusion that contradicts biblical verses which teach that there is only one true God, the Father (Jn. 17:1,3; I cor. 8:6;
Mal. 2:10).
Therefore, there is something wrong about their
understanding of this verse.

The following are other translations of this same verse:

"But of the Son he says, 'God is your throne forever and ever! And a righteous sceptre of his kingdom!" (Goodspeed)

"He says of the Son,'God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity;" (Moffat Translation)


In the Goodspeed and Moffatt translations, God the Father is not calling the Son God. Rather, God is telling the Son (Christ) that He (Father) is His (Son's)throne. Thus these two translations of Hebrews 1:9 do not contradict other passages of the Bible and hence, these translations of Hebrews 1:9 are correct.

God does not recognize any other God

Why is it wrong to believe that the Father called Christ God in Hebrews 1:8? This because God does not recognize any other God:

"Consult together, argue your case, and state your proofs that idolworship pays. Who made these things known long ago? What idol ever told you they would happen? Was it not I, the Lord? For there is no other God but me -a just God and a Savior -no, not one!" (Is. 45:21, New Living Translation, emphasis ours)

God himself teaches that there is no other God besides Him. This one God who does not recognize any other God is the Father who created everything:

""Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?" (Mal. 2:10, NKJV)

Not only does God not recognize any other God, but He declared His uniqueness, proclaiming there is none like Him:

"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me." (Isa 46:9)

In fact, the next verse, Hebrews 1:9, in reference to Christ, clearly shows that Christ the Son recognizes God:

"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; there God, Your God, has annointed You with the oil of gladness more that Your companions."

Take note of the phrase "Your God." If the Son or Christ were God, it would appear that God has a God, and thus there would be two Gods.

While the Father recognizes no one else as God, Christ recognizes the Father as His God:

Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My father; but go to My Brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to my God and your God"'" (Jn. 20:17)

'Thy throne, given of God'

Defenders of Christ's alleged deity further argue that the Almighty God cannot be merely a throne. So they ask, "How could the understanding that God is the throne of Christ be correct?" We should know that Hebrews 1:9 is a prophecy about the coming Messiah in the form of a song qouted from Psalms 45:7 which states:

"Thy throne, given of God, endureth for ever and ever; the sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom" (Jewish Publications Society of American Translation)

Therefore, the equivalent of "God is your throne" is "Thy throne, given of God". The following verse clarify that the One to whom God will give His Kingdom is the King:

"Beautiful words fill my mind, as I compose this song for the king. Like pen of a good writer my tongue is ready with poem. You are the most handsome of men; you are an eloquent speaker. God has always blessed you. Buckle on your sword, mighty king; you are glorious and majestic." (Ps. 45:1-3, Todays English Version)

The fullfillment of this prophecy is Christ who was given the throne of David:

"You will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High God. The Lord God will make him a king, as his ancestor David was, and he will be the king of the descendants of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end!" (Lk. 1:31-33)

In fact, Christ never taught that the authority or power He had was inherent in Him:

"Jesus drew near and said to them, 'I have been given all authority in heaven and earth'." (Mt. 28:18)

Instead, He acknowledged the Father as the source of His authority:

"My Father has given authority over everything." (Mt. 11:27, NLT)

It is this God-given authority that Christ will hand over to God on the Day of Jufgement:

"Then the end will come; Christ will overcome all spiritual rulers, authorities, and powers, and will hand over the Kingdom to the God the Father. For Christ must rule until God defeats all enemies and put all things under his feet....Gor the scriptures says, "God put all things
under his feet'. It is clear, of course, the words 'all things" do not include God himself, who puts all things under Christ. But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all." (I Cor. 15:24-25, 27-28, TEV)


Christ is man

Christ sits at the right side of God's throne according to the same author of Hebrews 1:8:

"What I mean is that we have high priest who sits at the right side of God's great throne in heaven." (Heb. 8:1, Contemporary English version)

The High Priest referred to is Christ:

"That is why we have a great High Priest who ha gone to heaven, Jesus the Son of God." (Heb. 4:14, NLT)

The High Priest who sits at the right side of God's throne is man in state of being:

"Here is the High Priest we need. A man who is holy, faultless, unstained, separated from sinners and lifted above the very Heavens." (Heb 7:26, Philips Translation)

"But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood." (Heb. 7:24 KJV)


Since Christ is man, then He is different from God beacuse God is not man:

"I will not execute the fierceness of My anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim. For I am God, and not man, the Holy One in your midst; and will not come with terror." (Hos. 11:9, NKJV)

Hence, Christ the High Priest sitting at the right of God's throne, is man and not God. Therefore, Hebrews 1:8 does not teach that Christ is God. Instead, it all the more proves the great difference between God and Christ.

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"5He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."

--Colossians 1:15-16 (New International Version)


The word "by" in Col. 1:16 was originally in Greek "Dia", which means "by reason of". Therefore, the verse is not saying that Christ created all things, but it simply means all things were created because of Christ.

If we read verse 15, it is said Christ is "...the firstborn over all creation". Jesus Christ was the firstborn, not the Creator. Jesus Christ was the reason for creation!

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"IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1,NKJV)

Those who believe that Christ is God assume that Christ is the "Word" mentioned in this verse. However, it is quite plain that the name "Christ" is not even mentioned in this verse. Neither does the verse say that Christ preexisted in the beginning as God. The verse simply states that "IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

But isn’t it true that Christ is the fulfillment of the "Word" mentioned in John 1:1? He is indeed the fullfilment of the Word" in that verse. Hence, the "Word" was about Christ. But take note that this is not the same as saying that the "Word" was Christ Himself who existed in the beginning as an independent being.

Then why did the verse say that "IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God"?

"Who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world," (I Peter 1:20)

The "Word" which was about Christ is said to be "in the beginning" and "with God" because Christ was in the mind of God before the creation of the world. He was not yet a being then but only a thought in the mind of God. The "Word" in John 1:1 was not a being existing on its own, independent of God, but was simply a thought or a word in the mind of God. Thus, the verse states that "the Word was with God," being in the mind of God.

Why is it wrong to interpret the "Word" in John 1:1 as Christ,
pre-existing in the beginning as God? The verse clearly states that "the Word was with God." So if, aside from God, the "Word" were another God, there would be two Gods: one God with another God. One cannot accept the interpretation without doing violence to the biblical teaching on the absolute oneness of God.

Did the "Word" remain in the mind of God? Did it remain a thought or a plan in God’s mind?

"Which He promised before His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born on the seed of David according to the flesh." (Romans 1:2-3, NKJV)

Apostle Paul states here that Christ is the Son of God whom He had promised through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures. Clearly, then, the "Word" concerning Christ did not remain in the mind of God, because eventually He expressed that thought in the promise he made through His prophets.

Since when did God make a promise concerning Christ?

"So the Lord God said to the serpent: ‘Because you have done this, You are cursed more that all cattle, And more that every beast of the field;?And I will put enmity between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel." (Genesis 3:14-15)

This pronouncement which God made in the Garden of Eden right after the fall of man is about Christ. He is being referred to as the Seed of the woman. Another pronouncement God made concerning Christ is written in Genesis 17:7, thus:

"And I will establish covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee." (King James Version)

This was addressed to Abraham with whom God made an everlasting cevenant. The covenant was not to be with Abraham alone but also with his seed. Who is the seed of Abraham? Apostle Paul explains in Galatians 3:16:

"Now that Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."

Christ is the Seed of Abraham. When God made an everlasting covenant with Abraham, He said, "I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed." And that was an everlasting covenant that God would be God unto Abraham and to his Seed. Take note that the covenant stipulates that Abraham and his Seed shall deify God; God shall be God unto them, both to Abraham and his Seed, who is Jesus Christ. Far from being a God, Christ is someone who was destined to recognize the true God. As early as the time that the good news about Jesus Christ was being foretold, He was already distinguished from God.

So there was no pre-existent Christ. There was no Christ prior to the fulfillment of the plan of God concerning Him. What was there with God in the beginning was the word or the thought or the plan concerning Christ. Then why is it stated in John 1:1 that the "Word was God" It is because the "Word" or plan concerning Christ comes from God. Since the "Word" is of God, it shares the quality of God.

"For no word from God shall be void of power." (Luke 1:37)

The word of God is powerful. As God is powerful, so also is His word. So, the "Word" was God (in John 1:1) in the sense that it has the quality of God but not used as a noun but as an adjective. If it were a noun it would have had an article in the Greek text, not just theos (God), but ho theos (the God).

In both the James Moffatt and Edgar Goodspeed translations of the bible, this point is rendered more clearlythe Word was divine. "Divine" is definitely an adjective modifying the term "Word" So the term "God" in the phrase "the Word is God" indicates the quality of the "Word" The use of the term "God" here is analogous to the use of the term "gold" in the statement "Time is gold." "Gold" is not used here as a noun; it functions as an adjective modifying the term "time" to emphasize its value, i.e., golden.

 
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January 30 2006, 2:38 AM 

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Jesus Christ is not equal to the Father as ANOTHER “God”

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January 30 2006, 3:06 AM 

"APART From me there is no savior"- Si Cristo na ginawang tagapagligtas ng Dios Ama, ay HINDI APART sa Ama dahil sila nga ay nagkakaisa sa layunin. Ngunit hindi sa pagiging Dios, dahil ang Ama lang ang tunay na Dios John 17:3,1 Cor. 8:6. Ang Ama ay tagapagligtas, at kinasangkapan niya si Cristo. The point is, God who made someone to execute his plans does not necessarily mean that he is creating "another God" or because the co creator is considered as “God” with him as many claim.

1 Corinthians 1:30 - He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom GOD MADE OUR WISDOM, our righteousness and sanctification and REDEMPTION;

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been GIVEN to me.

1 Peter 1;20 He was DESTINED before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake. 21 THROUGH HIM you have confidence in God, WHO raised him from the dead and GAVE HIM GLORY, SO THAT YOUR FAITH AND HOPE ARE IN GOD.

Acts 5:31 - GOD EXALTED HIM at his right hand as LEADER AND SAVIOR, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Hebrews 1:2 - but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom HE APPOINTED THE HEIR OF ALL THINGS, THROUGH whom also he created the world.


(take note of the word THROUGH, THIS DO NOT DENOTE A DIRECT SOURCE BUT A MEDIUM, it denotes the MEANS by which something is carried out or achieved)

SO HERE IS THE PARTITION, Katunayan, si Cristo mismo hindi nagpapatukoy sa sarili niya, lahat ng kapurihan ay idinadaloy niya sa AMA, HINDI SA KANIYA.

John 4:34 - Jesus said to them, "My food is to do the will of him who sent me, AND TO ACCOMPLISH HIS WORK.

John 5:30 - "I can do nothing on my own authority; as I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME.

John 7:16 - So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is NOT MINE, but his who sent me;

John 12:44 - And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in me, believes NOT IN ME BUT IN HIM WHO SENT ME.




What about the “US” in Gen 3:22?

God in his almighty power and wisdom can make a co-creator but does not necessarily mean he is creating another God. Bakit kung sa pluralism ng Elohim ay gusting gustong bigyan ng conclusion ng marami na marami na sila diyan pero pagdating sa ibang talata e gusto nilang pag -isahin lang? Huwag dapat mamili ng pakahulugan ang tao, dapat kukuha ka rin ng sagot sa biblia mismo. “Us” does not necessarily mean, God and his “other” God , that many can come up with such cherry picking conclusion. Sometimes “us” would denote to being many, however ending up pointing to a single entity. Sample

Genesis 11: 7 Come, let US go down, and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.

Gen. 3: Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of US, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever"


Notice the context would indicate that the "Us" refers to many in which God shows Himself and the “other” who "know good and evil". It does not directly say or mean, “us Gods”

Christ is not Equal to the Father as God

John 14:28 - You heard me say to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is GREATER THAN I

Regarding Elohim-( from a reference)

1st-Does it automatically follow that elohim is plural? Before answering the question, I will ask another. Should we base our theology on one unusual verse or on more than 2,000 clear verses? What would lead to sound doctrine — 2,000 sure witnesses or one enigmatic witness?

Genesis 1:26 is an enigmatic witness. It does not tell us why or to whom God is speaking. It does not say, "The Father said to the Son" or "God said to God" or "God said to the angels" or any other combination. Because the Bible remains silent as to whom and why God said what he said, any conclusions about these points would be conjectures, and therefore not a solid basis for doctrine. However, note that there are several possible conjectures that do not require the existence of more than one God for them to be true. Many commentaries will give you those explanations

Second, this is not the only verse that quotes God. As your study will show, many of those verses are God's revelation of himself to us in which he unambiguously says that there is but one God. Those other verses are the verses that should decide our doctrine — the verses that unambiguously address the question.
Singular pronouns for elohim

Third, the context of the verse proves the plurality theory wrong. Genesis 1:27, the very next verse, reads "So elohim created man in his own image, in the image of God [elohim] he created him; male and female he created them" (emphasis mine throughout). Just as they are in the rest of the chapter, the pronouns here are singular. So we see that when elohim creates man, God reveals himself to be but one God.
you'll probably notice several other interesting facts about elohim. For example, it was elohim who said "I give you every seed-bearing plant" (verse 29). It was elohim who said, "I will make a helper suitable for him" (Genesis 2:18). Later elohim told Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people" and "This is the sign of the covenant I am establishing between me and you" (Genesis 6:13; 9:12).

Elohim Is Not Alone!
Elohim Elohim is not the only Hebrew noun that can be plural in form but singular in meaning. Such Hebrew noun forms are sometimes used for abstract nouns and as intensifiers. Gesenius' Hebrew Grammar devotes several pages to this subject. The following list is not exhaustive, but it illustrates the point. The masculine plural ending is im; oth is the feminine plural ending.
zequnim — old age (Gen. 21:2, 7; 37:3; 44:20).
ne`urim — youth. David was only a boy (na`ar), but Goliath "has been a fighting man from his youth [ne`urim]" (1 Sam. 17:33).
chayyim — life. This is used in the song "To life, to life, lechayyim" in Fiddler on the Roof.
gebhuroth — strength. The singular form gebhurah is the usual word for strength, but the plural form is used in Job 41:12.
tsedaqoth — righteousness. The singular form tsedaqah is the usual word, but tsedaqoth is used in Isaiah 33:15 — "he who walks righteously [or "in righteousness"]."
chokmoth — wisdom. Chokmah is the usual form, but chokmoth is used in Prov. 1:20.
'adonim — lord. 'adon means "lord," and 'adonim normally means "lords," but Isa. 19:4 says, "I will hand the Egyptians over to the power of a cruel master ['adonim]."
behemoth. This word normally means beasts, but in Job 40:15 it refers to one animal.


So what are some verses truly support that there is only one God, not one God in 3 distinct identities?

1 Corinthians 8:6 - yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Ephesians 4:6 - one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all.




One God, who is the father. Christ is not the father. The rule of Giver and the recipient in the bible does not mean both are PRIMARY source

Matthew 11:27 - All things HAVE BEEN DELIVERED to me by my Father; and no one knows the SON except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the SON and any one to whom the SON chooses to reveal him.

Regarding John1:1- Take note that some greek language translators do not translate the Word as God rather it was translated as Divine, which supports the other verses that supports the meaning of the word of God, the plan in Christ.

Luke 8:11 - Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Matthew 13:37 - He answered, "He who sows the good seed is the Son of man;



1 Peter 1:23 - You have been born anew, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding WORD OF GOD;

Acts 2:23 - this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite PLAN and FOREKNOWLEDGE of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.

1 Peter 1:20 He was DESTINED before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake. 21 Through him you have confidence in God, WHO RAISED him from the dead and GAVE HIM GLORY, so that your faith and hope ARE IN GOD.


(TAKE NOTE FOr THE PARTITION WHERE THE HOPE CONCLUDES, IT SOLELY GOES TO GOD, HINDI SINABING “IN THEM”)



 
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January 30 2006, 3:58 AM 

Philippians 2:6 - who, though he was in the form of God, DID NOT COUNT equality with God a thing to be grasped. but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Meaning? God made him LIKE a God, just like he did to Moses before in his time with Pharao.

Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said to Moses, "See, I make you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

But are they truly Gods in nature as it may indicate? no...

1 Cor. 1:8:5 For ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE SO CALLED GODS IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH--AS INDEED THERE are many "gods" and many "lords" -- 6 YET FOR US THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH whom are all things and THROUGH whom we exist. 7 However, not all possess this knowledge

Kung mapapansin mo bagama't maraming indication sa biblia na para bagang si Cristo ang tunay na Dios, ito ay dahil sa mga figurative languages which seemingly denote similar meaning but should point out to a deeper understanding.

God-Monipotent-all-powerful: possessing complete, unlimited, or universal power and authority

Jesus-UNDER GOD, THE SOURCE OF his power and authority

John 4:34 - Jesus said to them, "My food is to DO THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME, and TO ACCOMPLISH HIS WORK

Maraming nasasaad sa biblia na si Cristo is UNDER the Authority ng Ama, na siyang nag iisang tunay na Dios 1 Cor. 8:6. At si Cristo ay mapapansing pinaka kasangkapan, kaya mediator siya. Tagapamagitan, hindi main or direct source kundi binigyan.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME. Mark 9:37 “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me, and WHOEVER WELCOMES ME DOES NOT WELCOME ME BUT THE ONE WHO SENT ME.


1 Cor. 15: 27 "FOR GOD HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET." But when it says, "All things are put in subjection under him," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then THE SON HIMSELF WILL ALSO BE SUBJECTED TO HIM WHO PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, that GOD MAY BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE.



Etong mapapansin natin- Ang Ama, NAGBIGAY, Si Cristo BINIGYAN, at siya ay naging makapangyarihan dahil ito ay kalooban ng Ama, upang ang Ama mismo ay MAGING SA LAHAT.

Ephesians 1:9 - For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE WHICH HE SET FORTH IN CHRIST

1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, to know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.


Who is the true God? Ang AMA, sa anong paraan tutumbok ang talatang yan sa pagiging Dios ng Ama at hindi si Cristo mismo? Sa pamamagitan ng Anak na nagbigay ng pang unawa sa mga lingkod niya tungkol sa tunay na Dios ,ang Ama . Ngayon ang anak na siyang si Cristo ang nagbigay ng pang unawa dahil niloob ito ng Ama, upang makilala ang totoo, ang Ama na siyang totoong Dios at buhay na walang hanggan. Ito ay lalapat sa nasasaad sa John 17:3"AT ITO ANG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN, NA IKAW AY MAKILALA NILA NA IISANG DIOS NA TUNAY, at siyang iyong sinugo, SA MAKATUWID BAGA'Y SI JESUCRISTO

Ang ibig bang sabihin sa talatang yan, makilala ang Ama at anak na IISA silang Dios?

Hindi, ang ibig sabihin niyan, makilala ang Ama na iisang tunay na Dios, at makikilala mo ang Ama sa pamamagitan ng gawa ng Anak, which God himself purposed in order for his servants to Know God himself THROUGH HIS SON JESUS.

John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.

1. Ano ba talaga ang Tunay na Diyos?

A. Isaiah 45:18 For this is what the Lord says, the one who created the sky HE IS THE TRUE GOD, THE ONE WHO FORMED THE EARTH AND MADE IT; he established it, he did not create it without order, he formed it to be inhabited “I am the Lord, I HAVE NO PEER”.

Isaiah 44:24 This is what the Lord, your protector, says, the one who formed you in the womb: “I AM THE LORD, WHO MADE EVERYTHING, who alone stretched out the sky, who fashioned the earth ALL BY MYSELF”

Revelation 1:8 I Am ALPHA and OMEGA, the BEGINNING and THE ENDING, said the Lord, WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY.

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT, and the people who worship him must worship in SPIRIT AND TRUTH


Dictionary- God- supreme being the all-powerful all-knowing creator of the universe, worshiped as the only god

2. Hindi pantay si Cristo sa pagiging Dios, kundi dahil sa siya’y BINIGYAN (hindi nagmula sa kaniyang sarili)

Colosians1:18 HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH, as well as the beginning, THE FIRST BORN FROM AMONG THE DEAD, SO THAT HE HIMSELF MAY BECOME FIRST IN ALL THINGS. 19 FOR GOD WAS PLEASED TO HAVE ALL HIS FULNESS DWELL IN THE SON.

Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came up and said to them, “ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME. Mark 9:37 “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me, and WHOEVER WELCOMES ME DOES NOT WELCOME ME BUT THE ONE WHO SENT ME.


Iba pang Katunayan na si Cristo ay hindi PANTAY sa pagiging Dios mismo ng Ama

1. Jesus is not all knowing- Mark 13:32 “But as for that day or hour no one knows it neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son except the Father

2. Can do nothing on his own without God- John 3:2 came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs that you do UNLESS GOD IS WITH HIM.

3. John 8:28 Then Jesus said, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and I DO NOTHING ON MY OWN INITIATIVE, but I SPEAK JUST WHAT THE FATHER TAUGHT ME. 8:29 And the one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I always do those things that please him

4. He receives commandments from the Father- John 10:17 This is why the Father loves me because I lay down my life, so that I may take it back again. 10:18 No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. THIS COMMANDMENT I RECEIVED FROM MY FATHER

5. He became a savior because of the Only true God. Jude 1:25 to the ONLY GOD our Savior THROUGH Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen.


So we can say na Si God at ang GINAWA niyang Tagapamagitang Si Cristo na kaniyang anak, ay may IISANG purpose, not in natural form na sila'y IISANG DIOS, kaya sila united but not to be understood na si Cristo ay may sariling Diety na walang PASIMULA which is a characteristic of being God.

1 Peter 1:18 You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your fathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious BLOOD OF CHRIST, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He WAS DESTINED before the foundation of the world but WAS MADE MANIFEST at the end of the times for your sake. 21 THROUGH him you have confidence in GOd, WHO RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD and GAVE HIM GLORY, SO THAT YOUR FAITH AND HOPE ARE IN GOD

Philippians 2:8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore GAD HAS HIGHLY EXALTED HIM AND BESTOWED ON HIM the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was FOREORDAINED before the foundation of the world, but WAS MANIFESTED IN THESE LAST TIMES.


Foreordained (dictionary) - determine future events: to arrange or determine an event in advance of its happening ( formal )

Efeso 3:11 Ayon sa PANUKALANG walang hanggan na IPINANUKALA KAY KRISTO HESUS na Panginoon natin


Purpose?

John 17:24 - Father, I desire that they also, WHOM THOU HAST GIVEN ME, may be with me where I am, TO BEHOLD MY GLORY which THOU HAS GIVEN ME in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:4 - even as HE CHOSE US IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him


Christ has a distinct identity in natural form from God which will become also of those who will be saved.

1 Cor 15:20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, BY A MAN CAME ALSO THE RESSURACTION OF THE DEAD. 22 For as in Adam all die, so ALSO IN CHRIST shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For HE MUST REIGN UNTIL HE HAS PUT ALL HIS ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 "FOR GOD HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET." But when it says, "All things are put in subjection under him," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then THE SON HIMSELF WILL ALSO BE SUBJECTED TO HIM WHO PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIM, that GOD MAY BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE.

Philippians 3:21 - who will CHANGE OUR LOWLY BODY TO BE LIKE HIS GLORIOUS BODY, by the power which enables him even to subject all things to himself.


So ang point diyan, ang mga taong maliligtas, magiging tulad ni Cristo.

1 Corinthian 15 45 Thus it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being"; the LAST ADAM BECAM a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; THE SECOND MAN IS FROM HEAVEN. 48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, WE SHALL ALSO BEAR THE IMAGE OF THE MAN OF HEAVEN.

1 Mga Taga-Corinto 15:47
Ang unang tao ay mula sa lupa, gawa sa alabok. Ang ikalawang tao ay ang Panginoon na mula sa langit.


Kung matutulad ang mga mapalad sa imahe ng ikalawang tao, which is Christ, e ibig bang sabihin magiging Dios na rin lahat yan? Hindi dahil ang magiging kalagayan ng mga maliligtas magagaya kay Cristo, katawang walang kasiraan, ang ikalawang tao na taga langit.

Revelation 5 And he who sat upon the throne said, "Behold, I make all things new." Also he said, "Write this, for these words are trustworthy and true." 6 And he said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the fountain of the water of life without payment. 7 He who conquers shall have this heritage, and I WILL BE HIS GOD and he shall be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death

John 20:17 - Jesus said to her, "Do not hold me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD."

Mark 12:29 - Jesus answered, "The first is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is ONE;


 
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Re: Moreover…

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January 30 2006, 5:50 AM 

Budski,
Common sense lang Bay sa tamang greek grammar at word meaning, common sense lang!

 
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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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January 30 2006, 6:33 AM 

Kung si Edchin ay si Mr. Pagpapatong sa Ulo,

Ito namang si Theologian ay si Mr. Tamang Greek Grammar at Word Meaning!

2006 na eh iyan parin ang maririnig mo dito sa dalawang ito!

Hindi kayang pasubalian ni Mr. Tamang Greek Grammar at Word Meaning iyang mga nakalagay sa itaas, kundi ang kaya lang sabihin ni Mr. Tamang Greek Grammar at Word Meaning ay TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING!

Bahala kana basta't TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING,TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING, TAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANINGTAMANG GREEK GRAMMAR at WORD MEANING. Ang galing ano? Hmmmp!

 
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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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January 30 2006, 10:54 AM 

hahahaha...!!!!!!!!!!

Si MINISTRO - Mr. Intellectual
Si THEOLOGIAN - Mr. Common Sense

Isipin mo ba naman itong mga pangalan ng mga kalaban natin....

Tsk!



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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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January 30 2006, 12:29 PM 

HINDI KA SI MINISTRO VETCHIN AT SI SISSY THEOLOGIANNE AY..

IISA???

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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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January 31 2006, 6:17 AM 

3in1,
Dahil nga we should not go againtst the basic rule of bible interpretation which is to consider the right grammar of the languages in which the bible was written, especially the original languages which is hebrew and greek. Imagine pinasusulat ng Diyos ang kanyang salita sa tamang language grammar para maitindihan, tapos sa aral pala sa inyo ni ni Manalo ay ay gusto ng Diyos na intindihin at i-interpret ang kanyang salita sa maling language grammar. What kind of joke is that? Kaya common sense lang Bay, common sense lang!

 
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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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January 31 2006, 10:23 AM 

3in1,
Dahil nga we should not go againtst the basic rule of bible interpretation which is to consider the right grammar of the languages in which the bible was written, especially the original languages which is hebrew and greek. Imagine pinasusulat ng Diyos ang kanyang salita sa tamang language grammar para maitindihan, tapos sa aral pala sa inyo ni ni Manalo ay ay gusto ng Diyos na intindihin at i-interpret ang kanyang salita sa maling language grammar. What kind of joke is that? Kaya common sense lang Bay, common sense lang!

AH HAHA SI SISSY THEOLOGIANNE HINDI PA RIN INILALABAS YUNG SINASABI NIYANG "CREDIBLE HEBREW AND GREEK TRANSLATION" KUNO NG JOHN 8:40, 1 COR. 8:6 AT 1 TIM. 2:5 HAHA!

Kaya WALA KANG common sense Bayot, WALA KA TALAGANG common sense HAHA!

WEAR A COLLAR SISSY THEOLOGIANNE! YOU JUST GOT DOGGED AGAIN!

HAHA!

--ORGA SABNAK, CALAMITY GUNDAM PILOT



 
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Larusin mo nang lahat!

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January 31 2006, 12:08 PM 

Theologian, Partida na larusin mo nang lahat at pagpatung-patungin iyang sinasabi mong "tamang grammar sa Greek at Hebrew"

Malalaman nang lahat dito sa forum na itong sinasabi mo na
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Theologian:
1."they are united and together as One God"

2."ang Anak ay Diyos at ang Banal na Espiritu ay Diyos at silang tatlo ay magkasama at nagkaisa bilang isang Diyos"
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ay hindi mababasa sa alin mang salin ng Biblia

Pero inuulit ko na ang sinasampalatayanang duktrina ng INC na
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'ang Ama lamang ang tunay na Dios' (jn.17:1,3)
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ay mababasa mong letra for letra sa Biblia at take note ha, ang panginoong Jesucristo pa ang siyang may sabi nito at nagturo.

Ulit na naman,
Ang sinasampalatayanang aral ng INC na
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'Ang panginoong Jesucristo ay tao (jn.8:40)
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ay mababasang letra for letra sa Biblia, take note uli, ang panginoong Jesucristo na naman ang may sabi nito.

Kaya sa palagay ko'y walang maa-akay na INC sa samahan ni Theologian dahil tiyak na hahanapin ng isang INC kung saang salin ng Biblia mababasa itong paniniwala ni Theologian
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Theologian:
1."they are united and together as One God"

2."ang Anak ay Diyos at ang Banal na Espiritu ay Diyos at silang tatlo ay magkasama at nagkaisa bilang isang Diyos"
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Laruin mo ang mga grade one baka pwede maniwala sayo

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January 31 2006, 3:52 PM 

tsk tsk tsk!

poor theologian nangamote na naman

 
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Re: Laruin mo ang mga grade one baka pwede maniwala sayo

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February 2 2006, 6:49 AM 

3in1:
Theologian, Partida na larusin mo nang lahat at pagpatung-patungin iyang sinasabi mong "tamang grammar sa Greek at Hebrew"

Malalaman nang lahat dito sa forum na itong sinasabi mo na

Theologian:
1."they are united and together as One God"

2."ang Anak ay Diyos at ang Banal na Espiritu ay Diyos at silang tatlo ay magkasama at nagkaisa bilang isang Diyos"

ay hindi mababasa sa alin mang salin ng Biblia

Sagot:
Nakakatawa dahil naghahamon ka pa ng partida. Kahit ang "united and together as one God" ay wala sa bibliya word for word, ay makikita naman sa bibliya ang aral na yan dahil sa hebrew word meaning sa "echad" at sa greek word na "heis". Tapos mababasa rin sa mga talata ng bibliya na tinatawag na Diyos ang Ama. Anak at Banal na Espiritu. Ngayon ulitin ko na kahit wala yan word for word ay makikita naman ang aral nayan sa bibliyam, kaya tama ang aral na "united and together as one God" sa bibliya.
Grabe talaga ang pagkabulag sa inyo ni Mr. Manalo na kinilala ninyong sugo at huling sugo, dahil sinusunod parin ninyo siya kahit kitang-kita naman ang aral niya na against sa hebrew and greek grammar at word meaning at against sa historical at archeological evindences sa bible, at ang masahol pa ay aral na "not rightly divinding the word of truth". Kaya common sense lang Bay, common sense lang!

3in1:
Pero inuulit ko na ang sinasampalatayanang duktrina ng INC na

'ang Ama lamang ang tunay na Dios' (jn.17:1,3)

Sagot:
Aral na "not rightly dividing the word of truth", dahil mababasa rin na tunay na Diyos ang Panginoong Jesus (Titus 2:13)

3in1:
ay mababasa mong letra for letra sa Biblia at take note ha, ang panginoong Jesucristo pa ang siyang may sabi nito at nagturo.

Sagot:
Take note rin na ito ay aral na "not rightly dividing the word of truth" dahil ang Diyos Ama rin ang nagturo at nagsabi letra for letra na Diyos ang Panginoong Jesus na kanyang Anak (Heb. 1:8)

3in1:
Ulit na naman,
Ang sinasampalatayanang aral ng INC na

'Ang panginoong Jesucristo ay tao (jn.8:40)

Sagot:
Aral na "not rightly dividing the word of truth", dahil mababasa rin na tunay na Diyos at tunay na Tao ang Panginoong Jesus (Phil. 2:5-7)

3in1:
ay mababasang letra for letra sa Biblia, take note uli, ang panginoong Jesucristo na naman ang may sabi nito.

Sagot:
Take note rin uli na ito ay aral na "not rightly dividing the word of truth" dahil hindi lang ang Diyos Ama kundi pati na ang mga apostoles ay nagturo at nagsabi rin letra for letra na Diyos ang Panginoong Jesus na kanyang Anak (Titus 2:13, I John 5:20).

3in1:
Kaya sa palagay ko'y walang maa-akay na INC sa samahan ni Theologian dahil tiyak na hahanapin ng isang INC kung saang salin ng Biblia mababasa itong paniniwala ni Theologian

Theologian:
1."they are united and together as One God"

2."ang Anak ay Diyos at ang Banal na Espiritu ay Diyos at silang tatlo ay magkasama at nagkaisa bilang isang Diyos"

Sagot:
Hindi na kailangan na sa samahan namin kayo aanib dahil marami naman diyan na Born Again Churches basta huwag lang sa mga samahan na ito kayo aanib:

A. Foreign Cults of Christianity

This refers to the cults of Christianity that came from outside the Philippine Islands and was brought here by their emissaries to spread their false teachings. Examples are as follows:

Jehovah's Witness (Watchtower Society)- Charles Taze Russell.
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormonism) - Joseph F. Smith.
Seventh-Day Adventists (Sabbatarians) - Ellen G. White
United Pentecostal Church ("Oneness")
The Boston Movement (a.k.a. M.M.C.C.) - Kip Mckean
Christian Science / Church of Science - Mary Ann Morse Baker (Mary Baker Eddy)
Church of Scientology - L. Ron Hubbard
Church of Recovery (Local Churches) - Witness Lee ("Oneness")
International Churches of Christ (The Boston Movement / MMCC) - Kip McKean
Children of God ("The Family of Love") - David Brandt Berg ("Moses David")
Unification Church ("The Moonies") - Rev. Sun Myung Moon
Armstrongism - Some churches which still hold on to Herbert W. Armstrong's theology and practices.
"Campbellites" ("The Church of Christ" or "The Disciples of Christ")
End-time Message Ministry or "Branhamites" - William Marrion Branham
Christadelphians
Paul C. Jong and The New Life Mission.
Manmin Joong-ang Church and Rev. Jae-Rock Lee
Domestic Cults of Christianity

B. Local Cults otherwise known as indigenous cults. This refers to the cults of Christianity that are home grown (in the Philippines. They may have similar doctrines with the major cults but managed to formulate their own style of unsound theology. Examples are as follows:

Iglesia ni Cristo (I.N.C.) - Felix Y. Manalo.
Jesus Miracle Crusade International Ministries ("Oneness") - Wilde Almeda.
Jesus the Name Above Every Name ("Oneness") - Apollo Quiboloy.
Pentecostal Missionary Church of Christ (Fourth Watch) - Arsenio Ferriol.
Members Church of God International ("Ang Dating Daan") - Eli Soriano.
Shepherd's Message - Joey Guerrero.
Jesus Christ To God Be the Glory or "Friends Again" ("Oneness") - Louie R. Santos.
Philippine Benevolent Missionary Association (P.B.M.A.) - Ruben Ecleo
Tres Persona Solo Dios
Ako Nga - Casiano Nazaire
Major World Religions

C. What is the meaning of "religion"?

The word can be traced from Latin, religare which literally means, "to tie fast." A person who belongs to a certain religion is perhaps "tied fast" to a set of beliefs, values and practices of a spiritual leader that are not necessarily Christian. They have common beliefs and reverence for a supernatural power or powers which they regard as a creator (or creators) or and governor (or governors) of the universe which through out the years have become an institutionalized system.

Roman Catholicism
Islam - Muhhammad
Buddhism - Siddhartha Gautama
Hindusim
Eastern Cults and Other Belief Systems

This is any system of belief that opposes the central teachings of the Christian faith. While all cults of Christianity are also false religion, not all false religions are cults of Christianity because not all religion claims to be Christian.

These are offspring of eastern philosophy which are usually are rooted in Hinduism, Buddhism or Taoism. They occasionally claim compatibility with Christianity

Sorcery and Witchcraft
Faith Healing
Feng Shui
Horoscopes
Ouija Board
Transcendental Meditation
Astral Projection
Out-of-Body Experience
Western Cults and Other Belief Systems

D. Those that had broke away from Christianity and they deny the essential evangelical doctrines. They also use the Bible as their source of doctrines and regard Jesus Christ as a central figure. What is noticeable among them is they claim to be the only true representation of Christ's Church.

Freemasonry
Liberation Theology
New Age Cults/Religion

Those who unify eastern and western religions. They only respect the Bible as long as it helps them advance their agendas

UFO and the Raelian Cult
Theosophy
Other Worldviews

Atheism/Agnosticism
Evolution - Charles Darwin



 
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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 2 2006, 10:01 AM 

Orga,

O Manalong mangangaral na bulaan.
Kapag ikaw ang nagturo kay Orga na sa bibliya ay mangmang.
Sisirain lahat masunod ka lamang.

 
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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 2 2006, 3:52 PM 

AH HAHA SI SISSY THEOLOGIANNE WALANG MAIPAKITANG TALATA SA BIBLIA NA THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT KUNO ARE "UNITED AND TOGETHER AS ONE GOD" HAHA!

NASA BIBLIA BA YON?

WALA NUN! HAHA!

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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 4 2006, 5:41 PM 

Clotho:
AH HAHA SI SISSY THEOLOGIANNE WALANG MAIPAKITANG TALATA SA BIBLIA NA THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT KUNO ARE "UNITED AND TOGETHER AS ONE GOD" HAHA!

NASA BIBLIA BA YON?

WALA NUN! HAHA!


may maipakita ka ba na talata sa bibliya na Felix ang pangalan ng anghel sa Apoc.7?

 
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The Father is the Only True God - PRECISELY!

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February 4 2006, 5:52 PM 

nakow wakoko yung topic natin balikan natin 'true nature of Christ'.



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Re: The Father is the Only True God - PRECISELY!

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February 4 2006, 7:47 PM 

Wakoko,

Huwag mo namang dalhin ang style ng Berean dito na kapag hindi masagot ang tungkol sa Trinity, divert ang isyu sa FYM.



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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 5 2006, 2:31 AM 

O kita mo na di' tama ako na kahit larusin mo nang lahat ng salin ng Biblia na may "tamang grammar sa Greek at Hebrew" hindi nga makikita sa alinmang salin ng Biblia iyang sinasampalatayanan ninyong

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Theologian:
1."they are united and together as One God"

2."ang Anak ay Diyos at ang Banal na Espiritu ay Diyos at silang tatlo ay magkasama at nagkaisa bilang isang Diyos"
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At mismong si Theologian ang tumetestigo nito

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Theologian:
"Kahit ang "united and together as one God" ay wala sa bibliya word for word"
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At itong si Mr. Tamang Grammar sa Greek at Hebrew eh may pa

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Theologian:
"common sense lang Bay, common sense lang!"
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'Asan kaya ang common sense ni Theologian kung ang mas papaniwalaan pa natin eh iyong 'HINDI NABABASA SA BIBLIA NA WORD FOR WORD' kaysa sa 'nababasang letra for letra sa Biblia? 'Asan ang common sense diyan?

Eh common sense nalang na iyong walang 'common sense' eh iyong mas pinipili pa niya iyong HINDI nababasang letra for letra kaysa iyong NABABASANG LETRA FOR LETRA SA BIBLIA.

Dahil walang magawa si Theologian dahil nga letra for letra kasing nababasa iyong sinasampalatayanang aral ng INC kaya heto ang palusot ni Theologian

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Theologian:
"not rightly dividing the word of truth"
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Truth ba ang gusto mo? O, heto

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“You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2)

“For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18-19, Ibid.)
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Eh ang panginoong Jesucristo na nga ang nagturo na ang 'Ama' ang kaisa-isang tunay na Dios (Juan 17:1,3, Salita ng Buhay).

Aba eh ang mga taong ito eh lumalabas na mas marunong pa kay Cristo!

Kaya tama iyong pamagat sa thread na ito sa itinuro ng panginoong Jesucristo eh

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"The Father is the Only True God"
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February 5 2006, 8:06 AM 

3in1,
Thou shall not add the word of truth!
Manalo adding the word of truth by claiming that he is the angel in Revelation and he is the man from the east in Isaiah.

Thou shall not subract the word of truth!
Manalo subracting the word of truth by only believing that the Lord Jesus Christ was only man and not God.

But thou shall rightly dividing the word of truth!
Manalo did not rightly dividing the word of truth by only believing that the Father is God and not believing those verses that directly said that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.


 
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[3in1,
Thou shall not add the word of truth!
Manalo adding the word of truth by claiming that he is the angel in Revelation and he is the man from the east in Isaiah.]

SO WHO IS IT IF IT ISN'T BRO. FELIX MANALO HUH?!

[Thou shall not subract the word of truth!
Manalo subracting the word of truth by only believing that the Lord Jesus Christ was only man and not God.]

ONLY MAN? HAHA! DIYAN PA LANG KITANG-KITA NA ANG GINAGAWA MONG PANLOLOKA SA MGA TAO! WHO TOLD YOU THAT WE BELIEVE THAT the Lord Jesus Christ was only man HUH?!

[But thou shall rightly dividing the word of truth!
Manalo did not rightly dividing the word of truth by only believing that the Father is God and not believing those verses that directly said that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.]

SHUT UP! YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S NOT SUBMITTING TO THE WORD OF TRUTH! THE VERSES THAT YOU ARE USING TO PROVE CHRIST BEING A GOD HAS LONG BEEN ANSWERED IN THIS FORUM!

--KIRA YAMATO, FREEDOM GUNDAM PILOT



 
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February 6 2006, 1:48 AM 

Theo-kung sa mga bagay na itinuturo sa biblia e kasama ng mga hula, e kulang na kulang ka sa kaalaman, ikaw ang magiging kulang kulang gaya ng nangyayari ngayon, puro ka lang yabang pero pagdating sa usapin, hindi ka makapangatwiran, magiging aso ka lamang sa paningin ng Dios. Isa sa mga kultong lumalaganap sa mundo ay ang iyong kinaaaniban, walang alam sa totoong kautusan ng Dios, lalamya lamya, yan ang totoong kapansin pansin, inutil ang pinapalaganap mong salita ng Dios kaya ikaw ang lapat na lapat sa description ng Bibla, BULAANG PROPETA AT BULAANG MGA TAO.


 
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February 6 2006, 5:08 AM 

Tawagagin mo na lang kung sino man ang pwede mong tawagin Theo para sa isang maginoong debate, Hebrew or greek kahit anong tema, magsabi ka lang kung saan at kelan. We can arrange this with one of our Ministers knowledgable on these languages. Got nothing to prove really, except to show how the Church is capable of handling such "religous" group of yours. Although dito man ay kitang kita na wala ka o kayong ibabatbat, maganda siguro itong mahayag sa madla. O ano call?

 
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February 6 2006, 6:30 AM 

Budski,
Call na call sa debate Bay! Total sinabi ninyo na magaling sa hebrew at greek ang ihaharap ninyo na ministro, kaya kung talagang magaling siya ay tiyak papayag siya at hindi natatakot na ang gawing final basis sa interpretation sa mga talata sa bibliya na pag-uusapan ay ang correct hebrew at greek grammar. Kaya kung ano ang tamang hebrew at greek grammar ay yan dapat ang masusunod, at sinong aral ang mapamamalian sa tamang hebrew at greek grammar ay siyang talo sa debate.

 
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February 6 2006, 6:42 AM 

Wakoko-may maipakita ka ba na talata sa bibliya na Felix ang pangalan ng anghel sa Apoc.7?

Sagot- Hindi nadadaan sa pamimilosopong tasyo yan, ang ganyang klaseng pagtatanong ay maliwanag na indikasyon ng hindi talaga pagtatanong ang pakay kundi may kasamang "sarcasm". How about I throw the question back to you? Yung mga anghel ba sa biblia kung binabanggit, merong pangalan? As in may proper noun? Hindi ba't ang description ng mga yan ay pinatutunayan ng mga hulang hindi direktong sinasaad kung sino at anong pangalan? Example ng mga hula

Q. Would the gospel be preached throughout the world before the end will come?

A. Matthew 24:14- And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole inhabited earth as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

http://gliponeonline.tripod.com/church_skedusa.html

Isaiah 2:2 In the future the mountain of the Lord's temple will endure as the most important of mountains,and will be the most prominent of hills. All the nations will stream to it,

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you too were called to the one hope of your calling, 4:5
ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, 4:6 ONE GOD AND FATHER of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

Mga Taga-Efeso 4:4-6

4Mayroong ISANG KATAWAN at ISANG ESPIRITU kung papaanong tinawag din kayo sa isang pag-asa ng inyong pagkatawag. 5Mayroong ISANG PANGINOON, ISANG PANANAMPALATAYA, ISANG BAUTISMO. 6Mayroong ISANG DIOS AT AMA ng lahat na nakakahigit sa lahat. Siya ay nasa lahat at nasa inyong lahat.

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life that they know you,
the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.


Note: It is prophesied in the Bible that the gospel will be preached throughout the world before the end comes, it is, therefore, the duty of a Christian to help in the propagation of God’s words. Doing missionary works, sharing one’s faith, inviting people to attend evangelical missions are some of the many ways where one can help in the propagation of God’s words. It is also clearly written in James 5:20 - remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins. Jude 1:23-snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear--hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

The Importance of Having the Seal of God

Q. What is the seal that the Bible is referring to?

A. Ephesians 1:13- In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the WORD OF TRUTH, the GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION: in whom also after you believed, you WERE SEALED with that holy spirit of promise.

John 6:27- Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for Him hath God the Father sealed.

2 Cor 1:21-22- Now he which established us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God 1:22- Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.


Note: These previous verses seem to indicate a figurative seal, not a physical seal. The seal is the Holy Spirit which is given by God through Christ by words of truth. That everyone who believes and be baptized is sealed and they shall inherit God’s kingdom, everlasting life and salvation.

Moreover, God wants His people to remember and obey all His commands.

Deuteronomy 11:18-19- Fix these words of mine into your mind and being, and tie them as a reminder on your hands and let them be symbols on your forehead. 11:19- Teach them to your children and speak of them as you sit in your house, as you walk along the way, as you lie down, and as you get up.

Q. What is the importance of having the seal of God on judgment day?


Rev 9:4- And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Ephesians 4:30- And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby YOU ARE SEALED unto the day of redemption.


Now, the question is, who does have the words of truth? As this would signify those who will be saved? (marami ito, in teachings, and actions)


sequence- what religion? what are their doctrine? Do they truly follow and implement commandments of God as written in the Bible? As required..

Mateo 28:20
Turuan ninyo sila na GANAPIN ANG LAHAT ng mga bagay na AKING INIUTOS sa inyo. At narito, ako ay kasama ninyo sa lahat ng mga araw hanggang sa katapusan ng kapanahunang ito. Siya nawa!

As you see, previous post and discussion would reflect who does these prophesies points to...

2 Pedro 2:12
Ang mga taong ito ay parang maiilap na hayop na hindi makapangatuwiran, na ipinanganak upang hulihin at patayin. Nilalait nila maging ang mga bagay na hindi nila nalalaman. Sila ay lubusang mapapahamak sa kanilang kabulukan.

Judas 1:10
Ngunit nilalait ng mga taong ito ang mga bagay na hindi nila nalalaman. Ngunit ang mga bagay na likas nilang nauunawaan ay ginagamit nila sa kanilang sariling kasiraan, tulad ng mga hayop na walang pag-iisip.



 
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February 6 2006, 10:27 AM 

Upssss, wala na si Theologian, akala niya siguro eh ang pinag-uusapan dito eh Apoc. 7:2-3.

Ipaalala natin kay Mr. Tamang Grammar sa Greek at Hebrew itong issue sa thread na ito

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Issue:
"The Father is the Only True God"
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Balik ulit tayo sa isyu,

Mr. Tamang Grammar sa Greek at Hebrew,

Paki-tignan ninyo kung magkapareho ng TURO sa religion ninyo sa turo ng Panginoong Jesucristo kung SINO ANG TUNAY NA DIOS AT KUNG ILAN BA ANG TUNAY NA DIOS

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Turo ng INC: Ang 'Ama' ang "kaisa-isang tunay na Dios" (Juan 17:1,3, Salita ng Buhay). (LETRA FOR LETRA NA NAKALAGAY SA BIBLIA)

Jesus:
Ang 'Ama' ang "kaisa-isang tunay na Dios" (Juan 17:1,3, Salita ng Buhay). (LETRA FOR LETRANG MABABASA SA BIBLIA)
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Theologian:
1."they are united and together as One God"

2."ang Anak ay Diyos at ang Banal na Espiritu ay Diyos at silang tatlo ay magkasama at nagkaisa bilang isang Diyos" (nakupo, lalo na ito!)

3."kahit tatlo sila ay dapat kilalanin at tatawagin natin silang "isang Diyos"
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Tanong, alin ang na-iba?

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Theologian:
1."they are united and together as One God"
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Ang patotoo ni Theologian sa kanilang sinasampalatayanang ito

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Theologian:
"united and together as one God" ay wala sa bibliya word for word"
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Eh kung wala sa BIBLA "word for word" iyang "united and together as one God" eh di' lalo na itong

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Theologian:
2."ang Anak ay Diyos at ang Banal na Espiritu ay Diyos at silang tatlo ay magkasama at nagkaisa bilang isang Diyos"
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At ito pa!

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Theologian:
3."kahit tatlo sila ay dapat kilalanin at tatawagin natin silang "isang Diyos"
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Ito lang ang katapat ng sinasampalatayanan ni Theologian

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“You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2)

“For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Rev. 22:18-19, Ibid.)
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Ipa-alala natin ulit kay Mr. Tamang Grammar sa Greek at Hebrew kung ilan iyong itinuro ng panginoong Jesucristo na tunay na Dios at kung sino ito

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Jesus:
Ang 'Ama' ang "kaisa-isang tunay na Dios" (Juan 17:1,3, Salita ng Buhay).
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LETRA FOR LETRANG MABABASA SA BIBLIA

 
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February 6 2006, 1:39 PM 

...susog ko lang din diyan sa correct grammar ng hebrew at greek. ang sabi ko kay theo meron ako kakong talata ng biblia na greek written ito ay ang:



nabanggit ko nga sa kanya na yaman din lang naman na hindi ka matigil sa kahahanap ng credible correct grammar sa hebrew at greek ay ako na ang naghanap para sa kanya. kako paki-translate sa tagalog o kaya ay english ang talatang iyan para maunawaan nating lahat dito at masagot na rin ang mga katanungan. alam ko ang mga readers natin ay gusto rin malaman ang kapasidad niyang sumagot sa ganitong hamon. kaya pinagdidiinan ko na i-translate ang talatang iyan.

hirap tayo sa pag-apuhap ng kasagutan sa kanya at ang mga sagot niya ay hindi sagot ng naghahanap ng kaalaman kundi ay ginagamit niya ang sagot ng bawat isa dito para sa kanyang maling pakahulugan.

kaya theo isang bagay lang ang hinihingi ko sayo...

PAKI-TRANSLATE NG TALATANG JUAN 17:3 SA TAGALOG O ENGLISH NA NASA ITAAS.




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Christ is the Word mentioned in John 1:1

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February 6 2006, 2:39 PM 

Read the Greek Text with Strong numbers. And if you can't still understand John 1:1, then better stick to what you believe Christ is. Christ is not forcing you that He did come in the flesh. I can't see nothing wrong if Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I can't see anything wrong if Jesus Christ was in the beginning was with God. I can't see anything wrong if the Son of God is the Word of God.

IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG IF JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD? IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG IF JESUS CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD? IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG BELIEVING THAT THE SON OF GOD BECAME FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US? IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG THAT THE SON OF GOD IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD? IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG IF THE SOUL OF MAN COMES FROM GOD? IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG THAT THE FATHER WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS? IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG THAT THE FATHER SENT HIS SON?

WHY WOULD THE FATHER BE CALLED GOD? WE ARE HUMANS AND WE HAVE ERRED SO MUCH. AND WHO CAN STAND INFRONT OF GOD? WHO HAD SEEN THE FATHER IN HEAVEN? WHO IS VERY CLOSE TO THE FATHER IN HEAVEN?

WHO IS THE MESSIAH? NOW I ASK YOU IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THAT YOU LEARN TO HUMBLE YOURSELF AND NOT BE BOASTFUL OF WHAT YOU KNOW.

LOVE THE FATHER WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL.

LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.

My brother, repent, and belive that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.

 
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God was manifest in flesh

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February 6 2006, 3:14 PM 

I hope you would understand the following:

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

 
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February 6 2006, 3:54 PM 

The most reliable manuscripts of 1 Timothy 3:16 do not say "God was manifested in the flesh" but "who" or which" was manifested in flesh." When the Christological controversies were occurring in the fourth and early fifth centuries, we do not see even one solitary person making a reference to this passage as evidence for the deity of Christ. If indeed 1 Timothy 3:16 really said "God was manifest in the flesh," we can most definitely be sure this passage would have most been brought forward as "Exhibit 'A.'" Yet, not one soul mentions it even though this passage more than any other would have supported the teaching that the incarnate Christ was "God." But the facts remain as they are and it was never mentioned once in the myriads of documentation from these debates. There is a good reason that no one in the fourth century church ever mentioned the passage. The word "God" did not appear in 1 Timothy 3:16 until much later. It first appeared in manuscripts after Trinitarian dogma was fully developed and canonized and is an obvious later alteration. The oldest and best manuscripts do not have the word "God" (theos) in 1 Timothy 3:16 which is why modern Bible translations do not have the word "God" at 1 Timothy 3:16 either.

The Opinion of Trinitarian Translation Scholars

Now because this verse is known to be a scribal error, contemporary Trinitarian Greek scholars, who have access to numerous manuscripts, have not been able to perpetuate this error any longer into English translations, despite the passions of some who desire the word "God" to appear in this verse at the expense of truth. Let us look at some of the major translations of this passage and note how Trinitarian Greek scholars themselves acknowledged the scribal error:

"He appeared in a body" (NIV)

"He who was manifested in the flesh" (ASV)

"He who was revealed in the flesh" (NASB)

"He was manifested in the flesh" (RSV)

"Which was manifested in the flesh" (Douey-Rheims)

"Who was manifested in the flesh" (NAB)"


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The Jews believe that the Messiah is GOD

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February 6 2006, 4:15 PM 

The Jews believed that the Messiah is GOD himself and that the Messiah will be manifested in the flesh. Then who is that He who had manifested in the flesh, my brother? It is either Paul is not preaching the true Jesus Christ or you just can't accept that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (theos) but he is distinct from the Father (ho theos). At times, the Word of God is called (elohim). Is there something wrong with your understanding that you can't comprehend which is said of the Son of God?

I am a Greek myself, and I can read Greek and we know what we are saying. I hope you study carefully what you read. What do you mean by scribal error? The Original Hebrew Text where the Greek Text was derived has the THEOS in it. For your information.

 
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Re: The Jews believe that the Messiah is GOD

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February 6 2006, 4:31 PM 

The Manuscript Evidence

Manuscript - B
Common Name - Codex Vaticanus
Date - ca. 300
Text - Does not contain 1 Timothy

Manuscript - Aleph
Common Name - Codex Sinaiticus
Date - ca. 350
Text - who was manifest in flesh .

Manuscript - Al
Common Name - Codex Alexandrinus
Date - ca. 450
Text - who was manifest in flesh

Manuscript - C
Common Name - Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus
Date - ca. 450
Text - who was manifest in flesh


Manuscript - D
Common Name - Codex Claromontanus
Date - ca. 550
Text - which was manifest in flesh


Manuscript
Common Name - Peshitta Coptic Ethiopic Sahidic
Date -
Text - which was manifest in flesh

Manuscript
Common Name - Gothic
Date -
Text - which was manifest in flesh


So when we review all the evidence the solution is plain to see. The historical evidence indicates the word "God" was not there before the fifthe century. The manuscript evidence indicates the word "God" was not in the original text. All objections based on grammatical and theological grounds are nothing but vain babblings.

Very obviously then the passage reads smoothly and makes total sense with the rest of Scripture by using either the word "who" or "which" or "that" instead of the word "God" which is an obvious error or forgery no matter how badly Trinitarian apologists want it to be there and who seem to somehow think they do God a favor by promoting something he never inspired in the first place. The Douey-Rheims and NAB translations obviously have it right.


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Answer my Question first brother.

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February 6 2006, 4:34 PM 

HE who had manifested in the flesh. Who is HE?

 
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Re: Answer my Question first brother.

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February 6 2006, 4:36 PM 

oh, oh, can I answer

Chrsit

but I'll let kalabog answer.

Hehehe

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Re: The Jews believe that the Messiah is GOD

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The Jews believed that the Messiah is GOD himself and that the Messiah will be manifested in the flesh. Then who is that He who had manifested in the flesh, my brother? It is either Paul is not preaching the true Jesus Christ or you just can't accept that Jesus Christ is the Son of God (theos) but he is distinct from the Father (ho theos). At times, the Word of God is called (elohim). Is there something wrong with your understanding that you can't comprehend which is said of the Son of God?

I am a Greek myself, and I can read Greek and we know what we are saying. I hope you study carefully what you read. What do you mean by scribal error?
The Original Hebrew Text where the Greek Text was derived has the THEOS in it. For your information.


I think you need to re-arrange your thoughts, it seems very much derailed.

Since when does the The Original Hebrew Text has the THEOS in it?


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Your faith is based on the Scripture not on Jesus Christ

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February 6 2006, 4:46 PM 

Have you seen the Father? Who do you think have seen the Father? Who had created all things in this wordl? There is no God (elohim) besides him. Who was with the Father before all creation? READ and THINK and ask for the HOLY SPIRIT's guidance.

 
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Learn about Paul

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February 6 2006, 4:53 PM 

Paul had persecuted the Church of God. But God called him and ask him to stop persecuting the Church. And Paul amends his ways and he became an apostle of Christ.

You Arians from the very beginning denies the divinity of Jesus Christ that is why your leader Arius who is the idol of Felix Manalo had gone astray. A lot of you are laughing, but let us see when our LORD Jesus Christ comes. Let us see.

 
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Father forgive them of what they say about your Son

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February 6 2006, 4:57 PM 

I will pray for your forgiveness. Peace be with you.

 
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Re: Learn about Paul

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February 6 2006, 5:10 PM 

Babbling and bashing will not lead you to the thruth.

Read John 5:44

And the Father who sent me himself witnesses concerning me. His voice you have never heard, his appearance you have never seen, and you do not have the Word of Him abiding in you, for you do not believe him whom he has sent. You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life, and it is they that testify concerning me. Yet you refuse to come to me that you might have life. I do not receive glory from men. But I know that you do not have the Love of God within you. I have come in the Name of my Father, and you do not receive me, if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the Glory that comes from the only God?

Having identified the God of the Scriptures as his Father, he then states ever so clearly, that this same God who testified of him in the Old Testament Scriptures, had sent him in His name and these Jews were not receiving him, God's Word. And so he asks why they receive approval and glory from one another but do not seek that approval from the Father who is God. And then Jesus refers to his Father as not only "THE God, but "THE ONLY" God.

Jesus is essentially making the same statement here as he does at John 17:3 where he says, "Father... that they may know you, the only true God."


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Who had created all things?

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February 6 2006, 5:20 PM 

Tell me my brother, who had created all things?
The idols could not create things, and there are no other gods can create things. It is only GOD isn't it? Who was with GOD before the creation of things unseen and things seen? Who was GOD's Divine Creative Expression (LOGOS)?

 
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The Son of God and the Father are distinct from each other

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February 6 2006, 5:30 PM 

The Son of God came from the Father. He was sent to became on of us. Why?

For us to learn the truth of all truth.

LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL.
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.

If you love GOD, you would not have other gods than the one and true GOD, because some people believe on other gods. Now, what is the problem if GOD has a SON and his SON is GOD but distinct from His Father?

 
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Re: Who had created all things?

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February 6 2006, 5:36 PM 

"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" Heb 1:10


It is God who made all things and Christ was the heir of all thing created by God, futher proof can be seen at Psalm 8:6

"You made him ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet:" Psalm 8:6 (NIV)

1 Corinthians 15:27
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.


The term "God himself" clearly differentiates Him from Christ, who puts "everything" under Christ, and "God himself" was the Creator of all things.


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Re: Your faith is based on the Scripture not on Jesus Christ

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February 6 2006, 5:39 PM 

"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" Heb 1:10


It is God who made all things and Christ was the heir of all thing created by God, futher proof can be seen at Psalm 8:6

"You made him ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet:" Psalm 8:6 (NIV)

1 Corinthians 15:27
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.


The term "God himself" clearly differentiates Him from Christ, who puts "everything" under Christ, and "God himself" was the Creator of all things.



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Re: The Son of God and the Father are distinct from each other

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The Son of God came from the Father. He was sent to became on of us. Why?

For us to learn the truth of all truth.

LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL.
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.

If you love GOD, you would not have other gods than the one and true GOD, because some people believe on other gods. Now, what is the problem if GOD has a SON and his SON is GOD but distinct from His Father?



Your misinterpretation further denies the thruth written in the Bible, you've said "his SON is GOD" is clearly not a Biblical term.


Deuteronomy 6:4-6 (Darby Translation)

4Hear, Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;
5and thou shalt love Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength.
6And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thy heart;

The God of Jesus

Father.... this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" (John 17:3).

Believe in God; believe also into me" (John 14:1)

But I know that you have not the love of God within you. I have come in the name of my Father, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, him you will receive. How can you believe, who receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? (John 5:43-44).

I am ascending to my Father and your Father and my God and your God" (John 20:17).

In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to the One who was able to save him from death, and he was heard for his godly fear. (Hebrews 5:7).

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice... 'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Matthew 27:46).

He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name. (Rev 1:6).



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Re: Who had created all things?

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February 6 2006, 5:56 PM 

Kalabog,
Ginaya mo naman ang amo mong si Manalo na sinisira ang correct language grammar para lang makalusot sa aral niyang maling-mali. Sinisira ang tamang historical and archeological evidences sa bible para lang makakalusot sa aral niyang maling-mali. Hindi pa nakontento, sinira na naman ang tamang context sa I Tim. 3:16 para uli makalusot na naman sa aral niyang maling-mali. Kung tingnan mo ang pinag-usapan biginning v:14 ay makikita natin na ang pinag-usapan ay ang Diyos mismo, kaya klarong klaro na ang tinutukoy na
"He appeared in a body" or "He was manifested in the flesh" ay ang Diyos mismo. Kaya hindi mali ang direct translation sa KJV na "God manifested in the flesh " dahil yan rin talaga ang ibig sabihin sa context na ang Diyos mismo ay nahayag sa laman, at ang Diyos nayan ay walang iba kundi ang ating Panginoong Jesus. Kaya Mr. Kalabog common sense lang sa tamang greek grammar, tamang historical and archeological evidences sa bible, at lalo na common sense lang sa tamang context.
If right hebrew ang greek grammar of the bible will be use, right historical and archeological of the bible will be use, right context of the bible will be use, and rightly dividing the word of truth will be use, the doctrine of Mr. Manalo will always and forever be annihilated. Kaya common sense lang Bay, common sense lang.

 
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Re: Who had created all things?

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February 6 2006, 6:06 PM 

Jaffi Theologian,

Your nonsense blabbering is futile and was proven overtimes.

I can sense that you have called Prototokos in aiming that he can help you out

If you want to refute the INC Doctrine then refute Christ declaration first. (John 17:1,3)


for now only nonsense blabbering is all you can do


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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 6 2006, 6:30 PM 

Protokokos: Your faith is based on the Scripture not on Jesus Christ

A CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT.

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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 6 2006, 6:47 PM 

budski,
a taste of your own medicine lng sabi nga ni Clotho:
AH HAHA SI SISSY THEOLOGIANNE WALANG MAIPAKITANG TALATA SA BIBLIA NA THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT KUNO ARE "UNITED AND TOGETHER AS ONE GOD" HAHA!

NASA BIBLIA BA YON?


 
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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 6 2006, 7:22 PM 

[budski,
a taste of your own medicine lng sabi nga ni Clotho:
AH HAHA SI SISSY THEOLOGIANNE WALANG MAIPAKITANG TALATA SA BIBLIA NA THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT KUNO ARE "UNITED AND TOGETHER AS ONE GOD" HAHA!

NASA BIBLIA BA YON?]

SO WHAT ABOUT IT?

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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 6 2006, 8:55 PM 

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Your faith is based on the Scripture not on Jesus Christ
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MR. Prototokos, HOW CAN ONE'S FAITH BE BASED ON THE HOLY SCRIPTURES BUT AT THE SAME TIME ISN'T BASED ON WHAT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TEACHES?

DONT' TELL ME THERE ARE TEACHINGS ON THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THAT CONTRADICTS THAT OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 7 2006, 6:28 AM 

Kalabog,

Nakakatawa na naman ang aral sa inyo ni Manalo, dahil lahat ng talata ay siasirain ang context para lamang maiilusot ang kanyang mga maling aral tungkol sa Panginoong Jesus. Hindi lang sa I Tim. 3:16 kundi pati na sa kanyang pambato kuno na mga talata katulad ng John 17:3. Kung tingnan mo ang context sa John 17 sa mga sinasabi ng ng Panginoong Jesus ay totoong kinilala niya ang kanyang Ama na tunay na Diyos. Pero kung pagbabasehan ang context at laman ng kanyang mga sinasabi ay klarong-klaro ang mga ipinahahayag niya na sila ay iisa ng Ama at magkasama pa bago likhain ang sanlibutan (v:,5,9-10,20-25). Kaya klarong-klaro ang mga ipinahayag sa mga talata ng John 17 na ang Panginoong Jesus ay eternal dahil nga siya ay Diyos at sila ay united and together as one God ng Ama.
Also Mr. Manalo can not refute the clear and direct declaration of God the Father that His Son the Lord Jesus Christ is God ( Heb. 1:8 ) and not only the Fataher but also the clear and directdeclaration of the Apostles that the Lord Jesus Christ is God (Titus 2:13, I John 5:20). So if the correct hebrew, greek, english and pilipino grammar will be use, the correct historical and archeological evidences of the bible will be use, the correct context will be use and the rightly dividing the word of truth will be use, the teaching and doctine of Mr. Manalo will always and forever be annihilated.

 
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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 7 2006, 7:22 AM 

HEB. 1:8-10

God is Your throne

Many attempt to prove that Christ is God by using verses in the Bible. One such verse they claim to be teaching about the deity of Christ is Hebrews 1:8:

"But to the Son He says: 'Your throne, O god, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom'" (New King James Version)

Proponents of Christ's alleged deity argue that in this verse, God the Father is calling His Son God. But if this were true, then there would be two Gods - a conclusion that contradicts biblical verses which teach that there is only one true God, the Father (Jn. 17:1,3; I cor. 8:6; Mal. 2:10). Therefore, there is something wrong about their understanding of this verse.

The following are other translations of this same verse:

"But of the Son he says, 'God is your throne forever and ever! And a righteous sceptre of his kingdom!" (Goodspeed)

"He says of the Son,'God is thy throne for ever and ever, thy royal sceptre is the sceptre of equity;" (Moffat Translation)

In the Goodspeed and Moffatt translations, God the Father is not calling the Son God. Rather, God is telling the Son (Christ) that He (Father) is His (Son's)throne. Thus these two translations of Hebrews 1:9 do not contradict other passages of the Bible and hence, these translations of Hebrews 1:9 are correct.

God does not recognize any other God

Why is it wrong to believe that the Father called Christ God in Hebrews 1:8? This because God does not recognize any other God:

"Consult together, argue your case, and state your proofs that idolworship pays. Who made these things known long ago? What idol ever told you they would happen? Was it not I, the Lord? For there is no other God but me -a just God and a Savior -no, not one!" (Is. 45:21, New Living Translation, emphasis ours)

God himself teaches that there is no other God besides Him. This one God who does not recognize any other God is the Father who created everything:

"Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?" (Mal. 2:10, NKJV)

Not only does God not recognize any other God, but He declared His uniqueness, proclaiming there is none like Him:

"Remember the former things of old, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me." (Isa 46:9)

In fact, the next verse, Hebrews 1:9, in reference to Christ, clearly shows that Christ the Son recognizes God:

"You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; there God, Your God, has annointed You with the oil of gladness more that Your companions."

Take note of the phrase "Your God." If the Son or Christ were God, it would appear that God has a God, and thus there would be two Gods.

While the Father recognizes no one else as God, Christ recognizes the Father as His God:

"Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My father; but go to My Brethren and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to my God and your God"'" (Jn. 20:17)

'Thy throne, given of God'

Defenders of Christ's alleged deity further argue that the Almighty God cannot be merely a throne. So they ask, "How could the understanding that God is the throne of Christ be correct?" We should know that Hebrews 1:9 is a prophecy about the coming Messiah in the form of a song qouted from Psalms 45:7 which states:

"Thy throne, given of God, endureth for ever and ever; the sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom" (Jewish Publications Society of American Translation)

Therefore, the equivalent of "God is your throne" is "Thy throne, given of God". The following verse clarify that the One to whom God will give His Kingdom is the King:

"Beautiful words fill my mind, as I compose this song for the king. Like pen of a good writer my tongue is ready with poem. You are the most handsome of men; you are an eloquent speaker. God has always blessed you. Buckle on your sword, mighty king; you are glorious and majestic." (Ps. 45:1-3, Todays English Version)

The fullfillment of this prophecy is Christ who was given the throne os David:

"You will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High God. The Lord God will make him a king, as his ancestor David was, and he will be the king of the descendants of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end!" (Lk. 1:31-33)

In fact, Christ never taught that the authority or power He had was inherent in Him:

"Jesus drew near and said to them, 'I have been given all authority in heaven and earth'." (Mt. 28:18)

Instead, He acknowledged the Father as the source of His authority:

"My Father has given authority over everything." (Mt. 11:27, NLT)

It is this God-given authority that Christ will hand over to God on the Day of Jufgement:

"Then the end will come; Christ will overcome all spiritual rulers, authorities, and powers, and will hand over the Kingdom to the God the Father. For Christ must rule until God defeats all enemies and put all things under his feet....Gor the scriptures says, "God put all things under his feet'. It is clear, of course, the words 'all things" do not include God himself, who puts all things under Christ. But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all." (I Cor. 15:24-25, 27-28, TEV)

Christ is man

Christ sits at the right side of God's throne according to the same author of Hebrews 1:8:

"What I mean is that we have high priest who sits at the right side of God's great throne in heaven." (Heb. 8:1, Contemporary English version)

The High Priest referred to is Christ:

"That is why we have a great High Priest who ha gone to heaven, Jesus the Son of God." (Heb. 4:14, NLT)

The High Priest who sits at the right side of God's throne is man in state of being:

"Here is the High Priest we need. A man who is holy, faultless, unstained, separated from sinners and lifted above the very Heavens." (Heb 7:26, Philips Translation)

"But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood." (Heb. 7:24 KJV)

Since Christ is man, then He is different from God beacuse God is not man:

"I will not execute the fierceness of My anger; I will not again destroy Ephraim. For I am God, and not man, the Holy One in your midst; and will not come with terror." (Hos. 11:9, NKJV)

Hence, Christ the High Priest sitting at the right of God's throne, is man and not God. Therefore, Hebrews 1:8 does not teach that Christ is God. Instead, it all the more proves the great difference between God and Christ.

http://www.geocities.com/truthfinder_inc/truthfinder/verses_files/titus2v13.htm

TITUS 2:13

One of the verses cited by those who believe that Christ is God is Titus 2:13, which says:

"Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ." (NKJV)

From this verse, it has been claimed by those who believe in Christ’s deity that the phrase "great God" refers to the "Savior Jesus Christ." However, a closer examination of this verse will prove that it does not teach that Christ is God.

TWO, NOT ONE

The phrase "great God" in Titus 2:13 does not refer to Jesus Christ. This is more easily understood by comparing two other versions of the Bible:

"As we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ." (Titus 2:13, New American Bible)
"Awaiting the blessed hope off the appearance of the Glory of the great God and of our Saviour Jesus Christ." (Titus 2:13, Moffat Translation)
The proof that God the Father and Jesus Christ are two in number and not one was clearly expressed by Christ Himself:
'And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am no alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me."(Jn. 8:16-18, NKJV)

THE FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD

In his prayer to the Father, Jesus Christ further revealed the identity of the only true God:

"And eternal life means to know you, the only true God." (Jn. 17:3, Today’s English Version)
The context reveals that the only true God referred to by the second personal pronoun "you" is the Father:
"After Jesus finished saying this, he looked up to heaven and said, 'Father, the hour has come…'." (Jn 17:1, Ibid)
The apostles also recognized the Father as the only true God: "Yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the creator of all things and for whom we live." (I Cor. 8:6, Ibid)
This was also the teaching of the old Testament prophets such as Malachi:

"Don’t we all have the same father? Didn’t the same God create us?" (Mal. 2:10, Ibid.)
In other words, the Bible teaches strict monotheism or the belief in only one God, who is the Father. If we were to accept that Jesus Christ is the One being referred to as the "great God," then we would have to accept that there are two Gods, God the Father and God the Son—a direct violation of biblical teachings.

GREATER GOD, LESSER GOD?

Furthermore, if we were to accept that the Son is also God, then there would be a greater God and lesser God because Christ taught that He is not equal to the Father:

"You have heard Me say to you, 'I am going away and coming back to you'. If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, 'I am going to the Father', for My Father s greater than I." (Jn. 14:28, NKJV)
Please note that the Father and the Son are not coequal, but that the Father is greater than the Son. This supremacy of God over Christ was also taught by Apostle Paul:

"But I want you to understand that Christ is supreme over every man, the husband s supreme over his wife, and God is supreme over Christ." (I Cor. 11:3, TEV)
Also on the day of Judgment, Christ, the son, will place Himself under God’s rule:

"For the scripture says, 'God put all things under his feet'. It is clear, of course, that the words 'all things' do not include God himself, who puts all things under Christ. But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rue completely over all." (I Cor. 15:27-28, Ibid.)

SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST

Titus 2:13 also mentions that Jesus Christ is the Savior. But, inasmuch as Isaiah 43:10-11 also states that besides God, there is no savior, some erroneously conclude that Christ is God. Isaiah says:

"'You are My witnesses' says the Lord, 'And My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior'." (NKJV)
The argument goes this way: God is Savior and Christ is Savior; therefore, Christ is God. The error of such argument is revealed by further inquiry as how Christ became Savior. Is He inherently Savior? Apostle Peter said:
"The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins." (Acts 5:30-31, Ibid)
Jesus Christ became our Savior because He was exalted by God to be so. The Lord Jesus Christ who was exalted is different from God who exalted Him. If the one who exalts is God, and Jesus Christ was exalted is also God, then there would be two Gods. Furthermore, the Bible states that Christ, the Savior, also has a Savior:

"During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission." (Heb. 5:7, NIV)
Jesus Christ Himself also said:

"But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God." (Jn. 8:40, NKJV)
The fact that He is a man also proves that He is not God, because "God is not a man" (Num. 23:19, Ibid,)
IN conclusion, Titus 2:13 does not teach that Christ is God. To believe so would result in many contradictions. The great God in this verse refers to the Father as had been made clear by Apostle Paul in the beginning of his letter to Titus:

"To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior." (Titus 1:4, Ibid.)
Ref. God’s Message, Sept. 2002, pp 8-9

http://www.geocities.com/truthfinder_inc/truthfinder/verses_files/1john5_20.htm

1 JOHN 5:20

One of the verses used to support the belief that Christ is God is I John 5:20. Allegedly, this verse teaches that Christ is the true God as the name "Jesus Christ" precedes the statement "This is the true God and eternal life."

What must be realized is the fact that there are two different entities mentioned in the verse: (1) the Son of God who give us the understanding that we may know Him (who is true), and (2) the true God whom the Son would introduce. It must also be noted that as we are in Him (God) who is true, we are also in His Son Jesus Christ; thus, the Son is different from him (God) who is the true and who has a Son. the statement "this is the true God and eternal life" refers not to the Son but to Him - The Almighty God - whom the son introduced. Further the proof at this is recorded in John 17:1 and 3.

In this prayer of our Lord Jesus christ, when He said "...this is eternal life, that they may know You," He was referring to the Father, the only true God. Otherwise, He would have said "...that they may know Me, the only true God." But Christ pointed that He was the one sent by the Father.

PASUGO/August 1999

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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 7 2006, 8:10 AM 


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Kalabog,

Nakakatawa na naman ang aral sa inyo ni Manalo, dahil lahat ng talata ay siasirain ang context para lamang maiilusot ang kanyang mga maling aral tungkol sa Panginoong Jesus. Hindi lang sa I Tim. 3:16 kundi pati na sa kanyang pambato kuno na mga talata katulad ng John 17:3. Kung tingnan mo ang context sa John 17 sa mga sinasabi ng ng Panginoong Jesus ay totoong kinilala niya ang kanyang Ama na tunay na Diyos. Pero kung pagbabasehan ang context at laman ng kanyang mga sinasabi ay klarong-klaro ang mga ipinahahayag niya na sila ay iisa ng Ama at magkasama pa bago likhain ang sanlibutan (v:,5,9-10,20-25). Kaya klarong-klaro ang mga ipinahayag sa mga talata ng John 17 na ang Panginoong Jesus ay eternal dahil nga siya ay Diyos at sila ay united and together as one God ng Ama.
Also Mr. Manalo can not refute the clear and direct declaration of God the Father that His Son the Lord Jesus Christ is God ( Heb. 1:8 ) and not only the Fataher but also the clear and directdeclaration of the Apostles that the Lord Jesus Christ is God (Titus 2:13, I John 5:20). So if the correct hebrew, greek, english and pilipino grammar will be use, the correct historical and archeological evidences of the bible will be use, the correct context will be use and the rightly dividing the word of truth will be use, the teaching and doctine of Mr. Manalo will always and forever be annihilated.



Still Jaffi Theologian can't refute the message that our Lord Jesus Christ has teaches that the Father is the only true God.

Jaffi Theologian will just jump and do bashing without giving clear answer.

Trinitarians will blind themselves just to satifisfied their twisted and unbiblical doctrines.





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Christians believe that the Son of God was manifested in the flesh

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February 7 2006, 10:48 AM 

The Iglesia ni Manalo members are NOT CHRISTIANS since they believe that the Son of God was not manifested in the flesh.

The Iglesia ni Manalo members BELIEVE that Jesus Christ was just a mere human being and HE HAS NO DIVINITY AT ALL. It is the same belief that they share with the Arians of the early chuch. Then the Arians spread their heresies and Mohammed learn about it and establish ISLAM. Thereafter, in 1914 Felix Manalo read about the Arian Doctrines when he was researching in the United States of America. He studied the discourses of Arius and he was convinced that Arius was right.

Arius DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH. Soon thereafter, Arians glorified Arius more than glorifying GOD. Some of them said that Arius was AN ANGEL. And Arius even claimed that he was sent by GOD in the last days. He said that he was the LAST MESSENGER of GOD.

Now Felix Manalo who is an avid FAN OF ARIAN DOCTRINE adopted the teachings of Arius because he could hardly comprehend the meaning of scriptures and because he has LITTLE FAITH IN CHRIST. Then he imitated Arius ways and wanted to become Arius.

Do you need more proof Kalabog?

 
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February 7 2006, 11:04 AM 

Protokos, for your info, walang iglesia ni manalo dito. wala ka bang alam kundi magkwento? Punta ka na lang sa barbero. Ano naman ang relihiyon mo para ma expose natin kung saan ka nararapat sa mga hula ng biblia. Payo ko sa iyo, bago ka mamersonal, subukin mo munang makipagpaliwanagan kung paanong nagiging mali ang turong pinapaliwanag ng bawat isa, sa klase kasi ng proceso mo, para bang asong ulol na kahol ng kahol sa kanyang kulungan,, baka pwedeng maiba ka naman sa estilo nitong mahilig magbabato rito pero hindi kayang makipagsabayan sa aral na totoong aral..

 
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Kindly READ, THINK, and PRAY that your sins be forgiven

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February 7 2006, 11:09 AM 

Matthew 1:23—“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”

John 1:1-3, 14—“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.... And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

“The late New Testament Greek scholar Colwell formulated a rule which clearly states that a definite predicate nominative (in this case theos meaning ‘God’) never takes an article when it precedes the verb (‘was’) as we find in John 1:1. It is therefore easy to see that no article is needed for theos (God), and to translate it ‘a god’ is both incorrect grammar and poor Greek, since theos is a predicate nominative of ‘was’ in the third sentence-clause of the verse and must refer back to the subject, ‘Word’ (logos). Christ, then, if He is the Word “made flesh” (Jn. 1:14), can be no one else except God, unless the Greek text, and consequently God’s Word, be denied.” [2]

John 1:18—“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”

John 20:27-28—“Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”

Romans 9:6—“Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen” (NKJV).

Philippians 2:5-8—“Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.”

“‘Who was in the form of God’ are his [the Apostle Paul’s] words: and they are words than which no others could be chosen which would more explicitly or with more directness assert the deity of...Jesus Christ.... Let us remember that the phraseology which Paul here employs was the popular usage of his day, though first given general vogue by the Aristotelian philosophy: and that it was accordingly the most natural language for strongly asserting the deity of Christ which could suggest itself to him.... ‘Form,’ in a word, is equivalent to our phrase ‘specific character.’... With God...the ‘form’ is that body of qualities which distinguish Him from all other spiritual beings, which constitute Him God, and without which He would not be God. What Paul asserts, then, when he says that Christ Jesus existed in the ‘form of God,’ is that He had all those characterizing qualities which make God God, the presence of which constitutes God, and in the absence of which God does not exist. He who is ‘in the form of God’ is God.” [3]

Colossians 1:15-16—“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible....”

When the Apostle Paul says that Christ is the firstborn over all creation, he does not mean that Christ is the first created being. For he goes on to explain that Jesus Christ created everything in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Jesus Christ could not create Himself. The idea among various cults that Christ is the first created being is an impossible absurdity.

Colossians 2:8-10—“Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.”

1 Timothy 1:16-17—“Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.”

1 Timothy 2:3-4—“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

1 Timothy 3:16—“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

1 Timothy 6:14-16—“...the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.”

Titus 1:3—“But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour.”

Titus 2:10—“...showing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.”

Titus 2:13—“Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ” (NKJV).

Hebrews 1:1-3—“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.”

Hebrews 1:8—“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”

Jude 25—“To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen.”
Jesus Christ Clearly Taught His Own Divinity

Revelation 21:6-7—“And he [Jesus Christ] said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”

John 8:57-59—“Then the Jews said to Him, ‘You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?’ Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.’ Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple...” (NKJV).

John 5:17-26—“But Jesus answered them, ‘My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.’ Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. Then Jesus answered and said to them,... ‘For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.... For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself’” (NKJV).

John 10:28-39—“And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them,... If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand.”

Mark 2:5-11—“When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?... [Jesus] said unto them, But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house” (cf. Lk. 5:20-24).

 
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ANGER has no place in GOD's Kingdom

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Now, I say unto you that ANGER has no place in God's Kingdom.

 
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Re: Christians believe that the Son of God was manifested in the flesh

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The Iglesia ni Manalo members are NOT CHRISTIANS since they believe that the Son of God was not manifested in the flesh.



What is Iglesia ni Manalo? is there such a group?

Name calling ang bashing will not lead you to the truth, nor will justify your faith.

Where do you get the notion that the INC does not believe that "the Son of God was not manifested in the flesh"?

2 John 1:7
[ Don't Walk Out on God ] There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!



The Iglesia ni Manalo members BELIEVE that Jesus Christ was just a mere human being and HE HAS NO DIVINITY AT ALL. It is the same belief that they share with the Arians of the early chuch. Then the Arians spread their heresies and Mohammed learn about it and establish ISLAM. Thereafter, in 1914 Felix Manalo read about the Arian Doctrines when he was researching in the United States of America. He studied the discourses of Arius and he was convinced that Arius was right.



Story telling ang mere fabrication is a device used by the devil. Hope you realize what you are doing.


Arius DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH. Soon thereafter, Arians glorified Arius more than glorifying GOD. Some of them said that Arius was AN ANGEL. And Arius even claimed that he was sent by GOD in the last days. He said that he was the LAST MESSENGER of GOD.



335 CE: Palestine - A Pronouncement of the Synod of Tyre and Jerusalem restores Arius and his friends into communion with the Church. Both Eusebi us of Caesarea and Eusebius of Nicomedia have leading roles in this synod. Athanasius is deposed and so goes to complain to the Emperor Constantine, whom he encounters mid-road. After Athanasius persists in requesting an audience, Constantine agrees to he ar his complaint. The Emperor then writes his Letter to the Bishops Assembled at Tyre (LNPF ser. 2, vol. 2, 278) requesting that they meet in his presence to discuss the matter. Some of the bishops flee home, but Eusebius of Nicomedia and his conso rt go to meet with Constantine.

336 CE: Greece - Arius dies suddenly in Constantinople on the evening before a formal ceremony was to restore him to his presbyterial rank.




Now Felix Manalo who is an avid FAN OF ARIAN DOCTRINE adopted the teachings of Arius because he could hardly comprehend the meaning of scriptures and because he has LITTLE FAITH IN CHRIST. Then he imitated Arius ways and wanted to become Arius.

Do you need more proof Kalabog?



I see no thruth in what you are blabbering. If you have proof don't dare just show them, don't be a sissy


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The Children of the DEVIL denies the Divinity of Christ

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Those who do not believe that the Son of God was manifested in the flesh are CHILDREN OF SATAN since they teach a different kind of Christ.

But the Father will forgive your sins if you repent and believe that JESUS CHRIST was manifested in the flesh.

 
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The Good Spirit does not dwell on people with Bad Spirits

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You cannot fill an old jar with new wine.

 
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Re: ANGER has no place in GOD's Kingdom

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Now, I say unto you that ANGER has no place in God's Kingdom.



Looks like you are in anger Mr. Prototokos, you are mere fabricating stories with no substance at all just to namecall.

Your wrong interpretation of 1 Tim 3:16 will not be justified by bashing your opponent. Hope you realize your mistakes.

Reading from the top of this thread will show readers of this forum what kind of strawman illusion you are getting at.


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Tell the whole story why was ARIUS restored.

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ARIUS was restored to Church of God after he admitted his faults. And before his death he confessed that JESUS CHRIST was truly the SON OF GOD and the TRINITY was the mystery of GOD.

It is what your very own FELIX MANALO did when he was about to die, were you there when FELIX MANALO died?

 
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Re: The Children of the DEVIL denies the Divinity of Christ

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Those who do not believe that the Son of God was manifested in the flesh are CHILDREN OF SATAN since they teach a different kind of Christ.

But the Father will forgive your sins if you repent and believe that JESUS CHRIST was manifested in the flesh.



2 John 1:7 The Message (MSG)
[ Don't Walk Out on God ] There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!


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Jesus Christ was manifested in flesh

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Of course humans have flesh and bone, and spirit. But you forgot that humans have SOULS.

 
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Re: The Good Spirit does not dwell on people with Bad Spirits

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You cannot fill an old jar with new wine.




"The Good Spirit does not dwell on people with Bad Spirits" - are you pertaining to yourself when you fabricate stories just to malign other people


"You cannot fill an old jar with new wine" - seemingly may be correct in some sense, but your wrong interpretation of 1 Tim 3:16 can be corrected if you will have an open mind and heart.


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Jesus Christ has DIVINE SOUL from the FATHER

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Men of little spiritual understanding don't know the real JESUS CHRIST because they speak based on their flesh and not of what comes out of the FATHER.

 
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Re: Jesus Christ was manifested in flesh

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Of course humans have flesh and bone, and spirit. But you forgot that humans have SOULS.



I forgot? ??? who say so?

stop daydreaming and get your acts together.


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Re: Jesus Christ has DIVINE SOUL from the FATHER

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February 7 2006, 12:01 PM 

I see your so good in presenting your conclusion..Can you support you claim? Anyone can say what they want to say, that's easy..I can say I use to fly like superman but now I am Spiderman swinging around new york city

 
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I SPEAK BECAUSE MY FATHER IN HEAVEN ASKS ME TO SPEAK

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I speak only the truth and you have not heard the truth because you have ears that can't hear, and eyes that can't see. Now, what more will you do, if I speak of the greatness of GOD in Heaven. I speak not of my own but the Father who asks me to.

You can laugh as long as you want because the Good Spirit is not within yourselves. But I will pray that the Father in Heaven give you chance to repent but if your hearts are still as cold as ice then all you need to do is to prepare for the second coming of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

It is only the Father who knows when.

 
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Re: Jesus Christ has DIVINE SOUL from the FATHER

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Men of little spiritual understanding don't know the real JESUS CHRIST because they speak based on their flesh and not of what comes out of the FATHER.



WITH SO MANY different churches and religions in existence, the task of finding the true one could prove daunting without some way to sift through them all. Fortunately, for a diligent searcher, the way to find the true Church is to examine its teaching about God because no religion that worships a false god could ever be the true religion.


And yet today, there are so many different opinions and beliefs about God, some even believing in a plurality of gods. The apostles also noted in their time that "many things in heaven and on earth are called gods and lords, but none of them really are gods or lords" (I Cor. 8:5, Contemporary English Version). In contrast, true Christians are absolutely monotheistic, believing in only one God:


"Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." (I Cor. 8:6, New International Version)


While many may claim to also believe in one God, the majority of Christian-professing churches still uphold the belief in either the deity of Jesus Christ or the Trinitarian doctrine. That's why the following statement of Apostle Paul applies not only during his time but also during ours:


"But not everyone knows this." (I Cor. 8:7, Ibid.)


Hence, what many do not know is that the Father alone is God.



GOD'S TEACHING REGARDING HIMSELF


The best authority on the identity and characteristics of God is God Himself. This is how God introduced Himself to Abraham:


"When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, 'I am God Almighty; walk before me and be blameless'." (Gen. 17:1, Ibid.)


God proclaimed His greatness by declaring his omnipotence. Being Almighty means that no one could ever be greater than or equal to Him. In addition, the true God declared that there is no other God:


"1 am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God." (Is. 45:5, Ibid.)


God, the Father, does not recognize any other god. This falsifies the belief in the Trinity or the doctrine that God has three persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, each person is supposedly God.



DIFFERING LORDSHIP


One of the alleged proofs to the claim that the Son or Christ is God is that He is Lord. The argument runs like this: "If God is Lord, and Christ is Lord, then Christ must be God."


What proponents of the belief in Christ's deity do not know is that the lordship of God is different from the lordship of Christ. Christ's lordship is not inherent, but was given through an act of God:


"So, all the Jewish people should know this truly: God has made Jesus to be Lord and Christ. He is the man you nailed to the cross." (Acts 2:36, Easy-to-Read New Testament)


Note that the maker is different from the one made Lord. But the fact that God made Jesus Lord does not mean that Christ is now God because Apostle Peter stated Christ's state of being: "He is the man you nailed to the cross."


Contrast this with the lordship of God which is an inherent characteristic, meaning no one made Him Lord:


"Lord, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations. Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God." (Ps. 90:1-2, NIV)


Some of those who believe that Christ is God also believe that He is the Lord mentioned in the Old Testament. But the Lord of the Old Testament is the Creator:


"Shout for joy to the LORD, all the earth. Worship the LORD with gladness; come before him with joyful songs. Know that the LORD is God. It is he who made us, and we are his; we are his people, the sheep of his pasture." (Ps. 100:2-3, Ibid.)


The Lord that made or created all men is God, the Father:


"But you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us or Israel acknowledge us; you, a LORD, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name." (Is. 63:16, Ibid.)


"Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us?" (Mal. 2:10, Ibid.)


The distinction between God's lordship and Christ's lordship was further revealed in Scripture:


"THE Lord (God) says to my Lord [the Messiah], Sit You at My right hand, until I make Your adversaries Your footstool." (Ps. 110:1, Amplified Bible)


The Lord who sits at the right hand of God is Christ:


"Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God." (Col. 3:1, NIV)


Although Christ is now in heaven, He continues to remain a man in state of being:


"Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the son of man you have raised up for yourself." (Ps. 80:17, Ibid. )


Christ, therefore, is neither the Father nor the Creator, but the Son as introduced by God Himself:


"And a voice from heaven said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased'." (Mt. 3:17, Ibid.)


If Christ were God, then who was the One who spoke from heaven? Hence, Christ is not God. The teaching that Christ is God is a heretical belief that contradicts Christ's statement that the Father alone is the only true God:


"After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father... Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God'. (Jn.. 17:1, 3, Ibid.)


One of the requirements in attaining eternal life is to know that the Father is the only true God. Any belief which contradicts this, like the belief in the Trinity or the deity of Jesus Christ, is a heresy. A heresy is a false belief, one of the works of the flesh, whose adherents will not be saved:

"For the works of the flesh are well known, which are these: adultery, impurity, and lasciviousness,
"Idolatry, witchcraft, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, stubbornness, seditions, heresies,
"Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and all such things; those who practice these things, as I have told you before and I say to you now, shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal. 5:19-21, Lamsa Translation, emphasis ours)

[God’s Message Magazine, December 2001, pp.6-7)




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Re: I SPEAK BECAUSE MY FATHER IN HEAVEN ASKS ME TO SPEAK

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February 7 2006, 12:07 PM 

Amen to you Protokos...

Santiago 2:19
Nananampalataya kang iisa ang Diyos. Mabuti ang iyong ginagawa. Maging ang mga demonyo ay nananampalataya at nanginginig

 
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Now let's see what you got..

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How Far can you go with the truth Protokos?

Mateo 7:21
Hindi ang bawat isa na nagsasabi sa akin: Panginoon, Panginoon, ay makakapasok sa paghahari ng langit, kundi ang gumagawa ng kalooban ng aking Ama na nasa langit.

Mateo 28:18-20 (Ang Salita ng Diyos)

18At lumapit si Jesus at nagsalita sa kanila, na sinasabi: Lahat ng kapamahalaan ay ibinigay sa akin sa langit at sa lupa. 19Humayo nga kayo. Gawin ninyong alagad ang lahat ng mga bansa, inyong bawtismuhan sila sa pangalan ng Ama at ng Anak at ng Banal na Espiritu. 20Turuan ninyo sila na GANAPIN ANG LAHAT ng mga bagay na aking iniutos sa inyo. At narito, ako ay kasama ninyo sa lahat ng mga araw hanggang sa katapusan ng kapanahunang ito. Siya nawa!


How about telling us your "religion"


 
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Oh I missed to respond to Theo...

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February 7 2006, 12:44 PM 

as He said common sense lang bay....ikaw atang kulang niyan bay? Tamang greek, tamang hebrew etc..same stuff I'm hearing all the time but he cannot even prove he understand what he's saying..

 
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The Father wants us to do HIS WILL

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February 7 2006, 12:52 PM 

I preach about the LAw of God, what is wrong with my preaching?

LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND "SOUL"
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.

Then tell me what religion the Father speaks of if you truly believe in JESUS CHRIST.

It is the CHILDREN OF SATAN who don't believe in LOVE. They believe in GOD but there is no LOVE in them. Because ever since the beginning they revolted against the Father and made MAN their enemies.

When the SON of GOD teaches reveals himself to the Jews, they tried to kill him because the Jews could not accept HIM revealing himself the SON of GOD. For according to Jews, HIM who proclaim himself the SON of GOD made himself equal to GOD.

Are you a Jew?

 
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The religion that preaches about LOVE is the True Religion

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February 7 2006, 1:13 PM 

It is only by loving GOD and your neighbors that you realize that you are truly the Children of God. How many among you have invented doctrines of men? Whenever the members go to church, they are required to give contributions? And you justify money contributions according to the scriptures.

Your early fathers have already done it. Making people ignorant to the fact that the Father in Heaven does not need your rituals and traditions. You are like the Jews who are very concern with words in scriptures but not the real meaning of the Scriptures. You are putting heavy load in your members and proclaiming your church as the true religion.

The TRUE CHURCH OF GOD is not build on stones and materials. It is not build according to the wishes of MEN. For in the beginning, before when JESUS CHRIST was manifested in flesh, GOD already established his church. And that church has gone astray, and NO LOVE was found it. MEN have become lovers of pleasure and material things. This is the vcry reason why the FATHER sent HIS SON to rebuild the chuch which will be founded in LOVE. Because LOVE was no longer in the hearts of men.

Now if speak this truth among you. Tell me what is wrong with the truth I am preaching?

 
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THE Religion that preaches HATE and ANGER is FALSE RELIGION

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February 7 2006, 1:23 PM 

I have observed that your religion preaches many things that made people HATE and stimulate their ANGER. And you often criticizes other religions. But don't you know that THE RELIGION THAT PREACHES HATE AND ANGER IS A FALSE RELIGION.

 
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It is the LAW of GOD that says so

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February 7 2006, 1:26 PM 

LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND "SOUL"

 
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But if you are not from the Father, your words cannot stand in TRUTH

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February 7 2006, 1:28 PM 

You can say you are SUPERMAN or BATMAN but if the Spirit of God is not within you will this statement of yours tell the TRUTH about the Greatness of the Father in Heaven.

 
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Even FELIX MANALO believes and one GOD like the DEVIL does

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February 7 2006, 1:33 PM 

Isn't it that Felix Manalo believes in One God, even the DEVIL does. But the devil denies Jesus Christ divinity.

 
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Even your founder FELIX MANALO believes

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Even FELIX MANALO the founder of your church believes in GOD, even the DEVIL does. But Felix Manalo like the DEVIL denies Jesus Christ divinity.

 
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The True Religion

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February 7 2006, 2:05 PM 

Ang paglilingkod sa Diyos ay pananagutan ng tao. Masama ang hindi kumilala sa Diyos, sapagkat ito'y kawalan ng utang na loob sa Maylalang sa atin. Subalit hindi lahat ng uri ng paglilingkod o pagsamba na ipinagtutungkol ng tao sa Diyos ay pahahalagahan Niya at hindi rin totoo na ang lahat ng iglesia na nangakatatag sa lupa ay para-parehong Diyos. Ito ang pinatutunayan ng Biblia.

Sino ang nagpapatunay na hindi lahat ng kumikilala sa Diyos at kay Cristo ay pagiging-dapatin sa langit?

Si Cristo. Mat 7:21

Hindi ba sapat nang gumawa ang tao ng paglilingkod sa Diyos sa pangalan ni Cristo upang makapasok sa kaharian ng langit?

Hindi, kahit pa may mga milagro. Mat 7:22-23
Kahit gamitin ng tao sa paglilingkod ang pangalan ni Cristo at kahit makagawa pa siya ng mga milagro, kung hindi ang kalooban ng Diyos ang kaniyang ginanap ay hindi siya pagiging dapatin sa langit.

Lahat ba ng pagsamba ng ipinatutungkol sa Diyos ay tatanggapin ng Diyos?

Walang kabuluhan ang salig sa mga utos ng tao. Mat 15:9

Kung lakipan ng pagpapakasakit at pagpapakahirap sa katawan magkaroon na kaya ng kabulahan ang pagsambang salig sa utos ng tao?

Hindi, kahit pa pahirapan ang katawan. Col. 2:22-23

Mayroon na bang mga naglingkod sa Diyos subalit hindi pinaging-dapat?

Sina Nadab at Abiu. Lev 10:1-2

Sino pa ang isa sa mga naglingkod sa Diyos at nagmalasakit pa subalit hindi rin tinanggap kundi pinarusahan?

Si Uzza, kahit nagmalasakit. 2Sam. 6:6-7

Bakit sa halip na kalugdan ng Diyos si Uzza sa ginawan nitong pagmamalasakit ay pinarusahan pa?

Dahil may nilabag si Uzza. Num. 4:15

Kaya hindi totoo na anumang paglilingkod na iukol ng tao sa Diyos ay pinagpagiging-dapat, Mahalaga sa Diyos ang paglilingkod ng tao ngunit ang nais Niya ay masang-ayon ito sa Kaniyang kalooban. Kung gayon dapat tiyakin ng tao na ang kaniyang pagkilala, pagibig, at pananampalataya sa Diyos ay wasto at tunay.

 
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Re: THE Religion that preaches HATE and ANGER is FALSE RELIGION

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I have observed that your religion preaches many things that made people HATE and stimulate their ANGER. And you often criticizes other religions. But don't you know that THE RELIGION THAT PREACHES HATE AND ANGER IS A FALSE RELIGION.



Well your observation is not what it seems, we criticize other doctrines in order to show them the truth. If somebody wishes to employ a false doctrine then all we do is provide Biblical verse that will refute them.

Christ did not run away when the Jews attacked His teachings. He answered them with words no one could deny. On another occassion, Mark the evangelist said: "...after that no one dared ask him any question." (Mk. 12:3) There are reason why Christ did not run away from arguments, and that Apostle Paul did not shrink from standing up to his beliefs:

the latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here in the defense of the gospel.." (Phil. 1:16)

It was Apostle Paul's obligation to defend the Gospel. If someone were to say that the Gospel, which is truth (Col. 1:5), was not the truth, he had a duty and responsibility to defend it.

There was only one purpose behind the argumentation of Apostle Paul, the debate Christ had with the Jews, and the Last Messenger's contention with those who opposed him. It was not done out of hatred. Its purpose was not to harm or attack anyone.

According to Paul's letter to Timonthy, the purpose of correcting opponents is for them to repent and come to know the thruth (II Tim. 2:23-25)


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I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE

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My dear brothers, Jesus never said that HE is the same as the FATHER. JESUS CHRIST and the FATHER in Heaven are ONE in PURPOSE of bringing the salvation of souls.

Man is composed of three things:

Flesh and Blood
The Soul
The Spirit

The humna nature of Man desires pleasures. The faculties of Man desires what is good for the flesh.
The sould of man is the image of God.
And the spirit is that which was breath that gives life to the soul that makes man the Living Soul.

Because of man's desires he sins against his fellow men. The soul becomes tainted and the spirit weakened. And because the Father loves you, the Father sent his Son to reclaim the LOST SOULS on Earth so that they will know the Greatness of the Father in Heaven.

LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND SOUL.
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.

 
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The Soul is distinct from the Flesh and Blood

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February 7 2006, 3:28 PM 

JESUS CHRIST is both Man and Divine. Whatever is written of him is what you see HIM in his human nature. But the soul is NOT SEEN by many. And because you have not seen HIM, how can you say that he is a MERE PLAIN MAN?

 
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Re: THE Religion that preaches HATE and ANGER is FALSE RELIGION

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February 7 2006, 3:29 PM 

I have observed that your religion preaches many things that made people HATE and stimulate their ANGER. And you often criticizes other religions. But don't you know that THE RELIGION THAT PREACHES HATE AND ANGER IS A FALSE RELIGION.

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I think you might want to rephrase this. You said that the teaching of the INC made people angry or hate their teachings. So how can you say that they are preaching Hate and Anger if the other group is the one hating or being angered by their teachings. So in fact, it is the others, who are preaching Anger and Hate.

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February 7 2006, 3:53 PM 

I have observed that your religion preaches many things that made people HATE and stimulate their ANGER. And you often criticizes other religions. But don't you know that THE RELIGION THAT PREACHES HATE AND ANGER IS A FALSE RELIGION.

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I think you might want to rephrase this. You said that the teaching of the INC made people angry or hate their teachings. So how can you say that they are preaching Hate and Anger if the other group is the one hating or being angered by their teachings. So in fact, it is the others, who are preaching Anger and Hate.

I am following closely this thread because I am very interested in the views of both sides. Can you understand tagalog?

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Even FELIX MANALO believes and one GOD like the DEVIL does
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Isn't it that Felix Manalo believes in One God, even the DEVIL does. But the devil denies Jesus Christ divinity.

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Even your founder FELIX MANALO believes
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Even FELIX MANALO the founder of your church believes in GOD, even the DEVIL does. But Felix Manalo like the DEVIL denies Jesus Christ divinity.

POSTING MORE THAN ONE REPLY WITH EXACTLY THE SAME CONTENT.

ARE INC DETRACTORS REALLY LIKE THAT? THREAD FLOODERS?

MR. Prototokos, WHY DO YOU NEED TO POST REPLIES LIKE THAT? WHY?

AND WHY DON'T YOU COMBINE ALL YOU WANT TO SAY IN AT LEAST FEWER REPLIES. IT IS BETTER TO HAVE ONE OR FEW LONG REPLIES THAN TONS OF SHORT REPLIES.

TELL ME, WHAT ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR?

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February 7 2006, 4:12 PM 

Yanggots: I think you might want to rephrase this. You said that the teaching of the INC made people angry or hate their teachings. So how can you say that they are preaching Hate and Anger if the other group is the one hating or being angered by their teachings. So in fact, it is the others, who are preaching Anger and Hate.

MR. YANGGOTS IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! IT ONLY SHOWS THAT INC DETRACTORS ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES! THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES WHOM OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST BRANDED AS HYPOCRITES!

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February 7 2006, 4:18 PM 

MR. PROTOTOKOS, WHY AREN'T YOU ANSWERING YZAK'S QUESTION?

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Your faith is based on the Scripture not on Jesus Christ
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MR. Prototokos, HOW CAN ONE'S FAITH BE BASED ON THE HOLY SCRIPTURES BUT AT THE SAME TIME ISN'T BASED ON WHAT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TEACHES?

DONT' TELL ME THERE ARE TEACHINGS ON THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THAT CONTRADICTS THAT OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.

--YZAK JOULE, DUEL GUNDAM PILOT


AFRAID OF HIM?

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February 7 2006, 4:30 PM 

PROTOTOKOS: JESUS CHRIST is both Man and Divine.

YES, HE IS DIVINE IN A SENSE THAT HE IS HOLY AND COMMITTED NO SIN, NOT IN A SENSE THAT HE IS A TRUE GOD.

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February 7 2006, 4:36 PM 

PROTOTOKOS: The TRUE CHURCH OF GOD is not build on stones and materials. It is not build according to the wishes of MEN. For in the beginning, before when JESUS CHRIST was manifested in flesh, GOD already established his church.

SO WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU READ THAT?

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February 7 2006, 4:41 PM 

PROTOTOKOS: It is only by loving GOD and your neighbors that you realize that you are truly the Children of God. How many among you have invented doctrines of men? Whenever the members go to church, they are required to give contributions? And you justify money contributions according to the scriptures.

SO WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU READ THAT contributions ARE PROHIBITED?

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February 7 2006, 4:42 PM 

Mu-

Hi how are you? I think he is refering to Jn 1:1,14

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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 7 2006, 4:47 PM 

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I SPEAK BECAUSE MY FATHER IN HEAVEN ASKS ME TO SPEAK
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AND WHEN AND WHERE DID THE FATHER IN HEAVEN ASKED YOU TO SPEAK? COULD YOU PLEASE SHARE IT WITH US?

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February 7 2006, 4:56 PM 

[Mu-

Hi how are you? I think he is refering to Jn 1:1,14

Yanggots]

I'M FINE. HOPE YOU'RE ALSO FINE TOO.

MR. PROTOTOKOS SAID THAT before when JESUS CHRIST was manifested in flesh, GOD already established his church. SO IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THERE IS NOW AN EXISTING CHURCH BEFORE THE NEW TESTAMENT. I'M ASKING HIM WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN HE READ THAT?

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February 7 2006, 5:01 PM 

Prototokos,

Thanks for sharing your beliefs. I have few questions below if you don’t mind.

1. If God is powerful (Gen 17:1), therefore nothing is impossible. Right? Why then He needs another God (co-creator) for creation?

Our God the Father is powerful that needs no co-creator to create things. That’s why He called GOD.

2. If Jesus taught directly that he is MAN (Jn 8:40), why didn't he tell directly also that he is a True God if he knows that this is very important for attaining salvation?

“FATHER...And this is LIFE ETERNAL, that they may know YOU the ONLY TRUE GOD..” (Jn 17:1,3)

As a Savior (Christ), his rule is to save mankind, and therefore if he is God, he must be obliged to say directly that "he is God", if according to Him, knowing the true God is to gain eternal life.

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Re: The Father is the Only True God

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February 7 2006, 5:15 PM 

JESUS CHRIST is both Man and Divine. Whatever is written of him is what you see HIM in his human nature. But the soul is NOT SEEN by many. And because you have not seen HIM, how can you say that he is a MERE PLAIN MAN?

Pro-

There's something wrong in this statement. I just can't put my finger on it. Oh yeah! "Divine" Are you refering to Divinty -to Him being God, or being Holy - refering that He has not committed any sins. Please clarify for me.
"And because you have not sen HIM, how can you say that is a MERE PLAIN MAN?" Why, have you seen Christ? Can you say, What up, for me? I would like to belive that Christ is Human(MAN) in nature, but pure(HOLY) in being because HE has not committed any sin.
If your statement is true them we can be god's. Wow! That's a bit contradictory out right hypocratic!

That coming from me, even more blasphemous!

Alien! Alien!

Hehehe

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February 7 2006, 5:31 PM 

At John 17:3, Jesus describes his Father as "the only true God." Now the thinking person realizes that if I say that "Richard is the only true King" then no one else can possibly be the true King. All others would be false contenders. It does not matter if I say, "only Richard is the King" or if I say, "Richard is the only King." This is a serious problem for Trinitarians. How do they solve the problem? The power of suggestion. In order to get out of this problem, Trintarians will claim that all three persons of the Trinity are "the only true God." Then he can say that all three persons are the only true deity by nature. This is the only way out of his dilemma. There is one Father by identity and there is one God by identity. If the word "God" in this passage refers to that one God by identity the Trinitarian is finished and his doctrine crumbles before him no matter how much denial he feeds himself. The passage would then say that the one Father is that identity, the only God. And since the Trinitarian one God is a Triune God, the Father cannot be claimed to be the one Triune God. Hence, the need for an implicit redefinition of terms arises without telling anyone and the word "God" is suggestively redefined to mean "deity by nature." It is simply a clever game of word equivocation fallacies. And few ever even notice, even Trinitarians themselves.

The Root Cause of the Error

"They will make merchandise of you with well turned words." (2 Peter 2:3).


Trinitarians deliberately confuse nature ("what") versus identity ("who") to create their error. Their fallacy is facilitated with the word "being." We humans understand the word "being" in two different senses. The word is used to quantitatively describe a person such as the term "human being." But it is also used to describe the nature of someone, such as the expression "the very essence of his being." Trinitarians confuse this qualitative nature of the Son with the quantitative identity of the Son. They confuse the equality of the Son's nature with God the Father with the subordination of the Son's position to his Father. In Trinitarianism, the statement, "Jesus is God" means two different things. It means "Jesus is divine by nature" and it also means "Jesus is God by identity." One has to be quite careful when reading Trinitarian literature since they very rarely indicate which meaning they are advocating.


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February 7 2006, 6:04 PM 

[The Iglesia ni Manalo members are NOT CHRISTIANS since they believe that the Son of God was not manifested in the flesh.]

AND WHERE DID YOU GET THAT "Iglesia ni Manalo" CRAP? HAHA!

FYI THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS "Iglesia ni Manalo" HAHA! IT'S ONLY A PRODUCT OF INC DETRACTORS' STUPID AND BOGUS IMAGINATION HAHA!

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Yes, I have seen him and I have trembled with fear

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February 7 2006, 6:56 PM 

I have seen Jesus Christ.

 
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Who HE was with the beginning with GOD created all things

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February 7 2006, 6:59 PM 

Who was with the beginning with GOD created all things.

 
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I am not a Trinitarian, I preach and I live what I preach

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February 7 2006, 7:02 PM 

I preach about the LAW of GOD. It is all about Love for God, and Love for fellowmen. Is there something wrong with what I preach?

 
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Read Psalms 82

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February 7 2006, 7:04 PM 

Kindly read Psalms 82 with an open mind and eyes.

 
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Do you think the Jews would believe?

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February 7 2006, 7:13 PM 

Do you think the Jews would believe Jesus Christ if Jesus Christ tells them "I AM JESUS CHRIST AND I AM GOD."?

It is the same with your generation now as it happens. You deny him his divinity.

The Father is the Almighty God.
Jesus Christ comes from the Father.
The Father is greater than the Son.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
He is the Divine Creative Expression.
The Son glorifies the Father.
The Father glorifies the Son.

If GOD has a Son, is it impossible for GOD to have? Who are you to tell GOD what to do and to be?

 
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February 7 2006, 7:42 PM 

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Yes, I have seen him and I have trembled with fear
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I have seen Jesus Christ.

WHEN AND WHERE?

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Read Psalms 82
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Kindly read Psalms 82 with an open mind and eyes.

WHY?

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Do you think the Jews would believe?
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Do you think the Jews would believe Jesus Christ if Jesus Christ tells them "I AM JESUS CHRIST AND I AM GOD."?

It is the same with your generation now as it happens. You deny him his divinity.

WE DON'T DENY HIS DIVINITY IN A SENSE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST BEING HOLY. WHAT WE DENY IS THE CHRIST-IS-GOD TEACHING. IT VIOLATES THE OVERALL TEACHING OF THE BIBLE THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD - THE FATHER IN HEAVEN (2 Kings 19:15, Isaiah 46:9, John 17:3, I Corinthians 8:6, I Timothy 2:5).

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My response to Prototokos

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February 7 2006, 9:14 PM 

MY RESPONSE TO PROTOTOKOS

Who was with the beginning with GOD created all things?

Do you believe that Christ the Son is with the Father since the beginning? If Christ is God in the fullest sense of the word, and he is with the Father who is another God which is distinct from Christ, then there would be two Gods- one God with another God. Therefore, there is more than one God who created all things.

Do you think the Jews would believe Jesus Christ if Jesus Christ tells them "I AM JESUS CHRIST AND I AM GOD."?

So do you believe that the Scripture is only for the Jews? When Christ said he is sent (Jn 5:30,36; 8:42; 10:36; 17:21), did all the Jews believe him? No (Jn 5:38; 8:48)? So why did he say so? Because he is a messenger of God and therefore he must tell nothing but the truth (Jn 3:33-34) no matter if the Jews would believe him or not. It is His mission & obligation.

It is the same with your generation now as it happens. You deny him his divinity.

The Father is the Almighty God.
Jesus Christ comes from the Father.
The Father is greater than the Son.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
He is the Divine Creative Expression.
The Son glorifies the Father.
The Father glorifies the Son.

Jesus is divine for he is Holy & without sin (I Pet 2:21-22; Heb 7:26). But Jesus has a God. He recognize the Father as his Father & his God (Jn 20:17) & the only True God (Jn 17:1,3) to be recognized. But the true God never recognizes some other gods (Deut 32:39; Is 46:9).

If GOD has a Son, is it impossible for GOD to have? Who are you to tell GOD what to do and to be?

No. But in what sense why Christ is called the Son of God? Remember that Israel is called Son of God (Ex 4:22) & the true Christians (Rom 8:14, 16-17). Christ’s Sonship is an honour given by God (II Pet 1:16-17).

“For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” (Pet 1:16-17)

…and not because He is another God like the father (like dog begets a dog, there will be 2 dogs). Or else you will be forced to admit that there is more than one God. Which is against Biblical truth (Is 45:5)

I noticed that you do not use Biblical verses to prove your assertion. Is this a way how you tell the truth that we must believe?

Thank you.


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What happened to Prototokos

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February 8 2006, 11:37 AM 

How come prototokos have not responded back?

Maybe he was called back by the mother ship!

Hehehe!

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Re: What happened to Prototokos

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February 8 2006, 11:52 AM 

Prototokos and Bularanpwet is one and the same person. Both have the same IP address.

He says he is a Greek
He says he can teach Aramaic
He says he have seen Christ
He says he is not human

but one thing is clear he is using internet with SkyInet as the provider

He's a lunatic...dont waste your time with him.


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So what's your religion Protokos? Papasa kaya sa pamantayan ng Biblia ang kinaroroonan mo?

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Nakasisiguro ka Ba Sa Iyong Patutunguhan?



Kung ang tao’y taos pusong naniniwala sa pagkabuhay na mag uli, di ba dapat munang paniwalaan ang tunay paraan o landas patungo roon? Makapagliligtas ba ng kaluluwa ang paniniwala o pananampalatayang SALUNGAT sa tunay na kautusan ng Dios?

Apocalipsis 21:8- Ngunit sa mga duwag, at sa mga HINDI MANANAMPALATAYA, at sa mga kasuklamsuklam, at sa mga mamatay tao, at sa mga mapakiapid, at sa mga manggagaway, AT SA MGA MAPAGSAMBA SA DIOSDIOSAN, at sa LAHAT NA MGA SINUNGALING, ang kanilang bahagi ay sa DAGATDAGATANG NAGNININGAS SA APOY AT ASUPRE; NA SIYANG IKALAWANG KAMATAYAN.


Ang pagsamba sa diosdiosan ay hindi utos ng Dios kundi ito’y kaniyang kinapopootan. Ang gawaing ito’y katumbas ng pagdaragdag sa salita ng Dios sa Biblia at hindi ikapagmamana ng kaharian ng Dios

Ano ang masamang kahihinatnan ng mga nagdadagdag o nagbabawas sa salita ng Dios?

Apocalipsis 22: 18- Aking sinasaksihan sa bawa’t taong nakikinig sa mga salita ng hula ng aklat na ito, kung ANG SINOMAN AY MAGDAGDAG SA MGA ITO, AY DARAGDAGAN SIYA NG DIOS NG MGA SALOT NA NAKASULAT SA AKLAT NA ITO. 19 At kung SINOMAN AY MAG ALIS SA MGA SALITA NG AKLAT NG HULANG ITO, AY AALISIN NG DIOS ANG KANIYANG BAHAGI SA PUNONG KAHOY NG BUHAY, at sa bayang banal, na nakasulat sa aklat na ito.

Hindi ba makatwiran na gumawa ng sariling paniniwala ang tao kahit hindi nakasulat sa Biblia?

Ang sabi sa Deuteronomio 12:32- KUNG ANONG BAGAY ANG INIUTOS KO SA INYO, AY SIYA MONG ISAGAWA: HUWAG MONG DADAGDAGAN O BABAWASAN.
Kawikaan 3:5- TUMIWALA KA SA PANGINOON NG BUONG PUSO MO, at HUWAG KANG MANALIG SA IYONG SARILING KAUNAWAAN 7 HUWAG KANG MAGPAKAPANTAS SA IYONG SARILING MGA MATA;
Matakot ka sa Panginoon, at humiwalay ka sa kasamaan:


Ang bawa’t tao bang nilalang ng Dios basta’t tumawag lamang sa kaniya ay makakapasok na sa kaharian ng Dios?

Mateo 7:21- HINDI ANG BAWA’T NAGSASABI SA AKIN, PANGINOON, PANGINOON, AY PAPASOK SA KAHARIAN NG LANGIT, kundi ang GUMAGANAP NG KALOOBAN NG AKING AMA NA NASA LANGIT.

Meron bang kabuluhan sa Dios ang ginagawang paggalang o pagsamba ng mga tao sa kaniya sa pamamagitan ng imbento o kathang kautusan ng tao?

Mateo 15:7 – kayong mapagpaimbabaw, mabuti ang pagkahula sa inyo ni Isaias, na nagsasabi 8: Ang bayang ito’y IGINAGALANG AKO NG KANILANG MGA LABI; DATAPWA’T ANG KANILANG MGA PUSO AY MALAYO SA AKIN, 9. DATAPUWA’T WALANG KABULUHAN ANG PAGSAMBA NILA SA AKIN. NA NAGTUTURO NG KANILANG PINAKAARAL ANG MGA UTOS NG MGA TAO.

Ang Paniniwala kayang basta’t magpakabait na lang ang tao kahit na mali mali ang paniniwala o taliwas sa katotohanan ay katanggap tanggap na sa Dios?

Galacia 1:9 Ayon sa aming sinabi ng una, ay muling gayon ang aking sinasabi ngayon, KUNG ANG SINOMAN AY MANGARAL SA INYO NG ANOMANG EVANGELIO NA IBA KAYSA INYONG TINANGGAP NA, AY MATAKWIL

1 Corinto 1:19 Sapagka’t nasusulat, IWAWALAT KO ANG KARUNUNGAN NG MARURUNONG. At ISASAWALA KO ANG KABAITAN NG MABABAIT.

Galacia 5:4 Kayo’y HIWALAY KAY CRISTO, KAYONG NANGAGIIBIG NA ARIING GANAP NG KAUTUSAN, NANGAHULOG KAYO MULA SA BIYAYA. Galacia 2:16 Bagama’t naaalaman na ang TAO AY HINDI INAARING GANAP SA MGA GAWANG AYON SA KAUTUSAN, MALIBAN NA SA PAMAMAGITAN NG PANANAMPALATAYA KAY HESUCRISTO, tayo rin ay nagsisampalataya kay Cristo Hesus, UPANG TAYO’Y ARIING GANAP SA PAMAMAGITAN NG PANANAMPALATAYA KAY CRISTO, AT HINDI DAHIL SA MGA GAWANG AYON SA KAUTUSAN: SAPAGKA’T SA MGA GAWANG AYON SA KAUTUSAN AY HINDI AARIING GANAP ANG SINOMANG LAMAN


Ang tamang pananampalataya o paniniwala sa katotohanan ay sapat kaya kahit na walang mga gawa?

1 Juan 3:18 Mumunti kong mga anak, HUWAG KAYONG MAGSIIBIG NG SALITA, NI NG DILA MAN; KUNDI NG GAWA AT KATOTOHANAN Santiago 2:20 Datapuwa’t ibig mo bagang maalaman, Oh taong walang kabuluhan , na ANG PANANAMPALATAYA NA WALANG MGA GAWA AY BAOG?

Ano ang PAMAMARAAN ng bulaang mangangaral ng mga relihiyong hindi totoong sa Dios maliban sa pagtuturo ng mga kathang isip lamang at hindi naaayon sa tunay na aral ng kasulatan?

2 Pedro 2: 18 Sapagka’t SA PANANALITA NG MGA KAPALALUAN NA WALANG KABULUHAN, AY UMAAKIT SILA SA MASASAMANG PITA NG LAMAN, SA PAMAMAGITAN NG KALIBUGAN, DOON SA NAGSISITAKAS SA NANGAMUMUHAY NG KAMALIAN. Roma 16:18 Sapagka’t ANG MGA GAYON AY HINDI NAGSISIPAGLINGKOD SA CRISTONG PANGINOON, KUNDI SA KANILANG SARILING TIYAN; AT SA PAMAMAGITAN NG KANILANG MABUTING PANANALITA AT MAIINAM NA TALUMPATI AY DINADAYA ANG MGA PUSO NG MGA WALANG MALAY

Ang pag-aakala ba ng sinomang tao na sila’y sa Dios bagama’t PILIT NA PINANINIWALAAN ANG MGA BAGAY NA HINDI UTOS NG DIOS ay katanggap tanggap kaya sa kanya? Ano ang pahayag ng biblia sa mga taong gayon? Sila pa rin ba’y tinatanggap ng Dios na sa kaniya bagama’t naniniwala sa kasinungalingan?

Bagama’t lahat ng bagay ay nilikha ng Dios, ang taong naniniwala sa hindi nakasulat sa Biblia ay naniniwala sa kasinungalingan at HINDI INAARI NG DIOS NA SA KANIYA kundi sa diablo gaya ng nasasaad sa

Juan 8:44 KAYO’Y SA INYONG AMANG DIABLO, at ANG MGA NAIS NG INYONG AMA ANG IBIG NINYONG GAWIN. Siya’y isang mamamatay-tao buhat pa ng una , AT HINDI NANANATILI SA KATOTOHANAN, SAPAGKA’T WALANG KATOTOHANAN SA KANIYA. Pagka nagsasalita siya ng KASINUNGALINGAN AY NAGSASALITA SIYA NG SA GANANG KANYA: SAPAGKA’T SIYA’Y ISANG SINUNGALING, AT AMA NITO.

Ano ano ilan sa mga KAHANGA HANGANG KASINUNGALINGANG ipina-iiral ng isa sa pinakamalaking relihiyon na kinabibilangan ng karamihang nagpapakunwaring sila’y sa Dios? Dapat nating pagtuunan ng pansin na ang mga sumusunod na ipinangangaral at ipinapatupad ng isang pangunahing relihyon at mga sangay nito na taliwas o kontra sa mga totoong salita ng Dios na nakasulat sapagka’t walang mababasa o nakasulat sa biblia na ipatupad ang mga ito upang sundin o paniwalaan ng mga tao.

1.Pagsamba sa mga diosdiosan
2.Binyag ng mga sanggol kahit na walang kakayahang mag-isip upang maniwala.
3.Purgatoryo
4.Pangungumpisal sa mga Pari
5.Pagtawag ng “Ama” sa mga Pari
6. Mga Pamahiin at Sali’t saling sabi
7. Ang kaagarang pagtungo ng kaluluwa sa langit, purgatoryo o Impiyerno pagkamatay ng isang tao
8. Ang pagkakaroon ng bisa ng “padasal” sa mga yumaong mga tao, sa mga bagong bahay, establismento etc.
9. Mga pagmimilagro, pagrorosaryo o paulit ulit na panalangin
10. Sari saring pagdiriwang ng mga pistang hango sa kaugaliang pagano at marami pang iba.


Ano ang hulang kinatutuparan ng relihiyong ito at ng mga sangay nitong humahango sa doctrina nito? Ito ba’y tinatanggap ng biblia na totoo pa ring sa Dios?

Mateo 24:24- Sapagka’t MAY MAGSISILITAW NA MGA BULAANG CRISTO, AT MGA BULAANG PROPETA, AT MANGAGPAPAKITA NG MGA DAKILANG TANDA AT MGA KABABALAGHAN; ANO PA’T ILILIGAW, KUNG MAAARI, PATI NG MGA HIRANG

Kahit na maraming kasinungalingang aral ang Katoliko at mga sangay nito, ang mga pari naman at mga ibang nangangaral ng mga aral na hango dito ay nakikitaan naman ng “Anyong Kabanalan”. Paanong sila ay naging masama sa paningin ng Dios?

Dapat nating malaman na ANG ANYO NG PAGIGING DEMONYO AY HINDI MAKIKITAAN NG PANGIT O NAKAKATAKOT NA KAANYUAN gaya ng pinaniniwalaan ng marami, dahil WALANG NAKASULAT NA GANITO, kundi siya’y NAGPAPANGGAP NA NASA MABUTI NGUNI’T SA PAMAMAGITAN NG KANIYANG MGA KASINUNGALINGAN, AY MARAMI ANG KANIYANG MAILILIGAW at maidadala sa kapahamakan.

2 Corinthians 11:14- At hindi katakataka: sapagka’t SI SATANAS MAN AY NAGPAPAKUNWARING ANGHEL NG KALIWANAGAN. 15 Hindi malaking bagay nga na ang kaniyang mga ministro naman ay magpakunwari na waring ministro ng katwiran; na ANG KANILANG WAKAS AY MASASANG AYON SA KANILANG MGA GAWA.

2 Tesalonica 2:9- Siya, na ANG KANIYANG PAGPARITO AY AYON SA PAGGAWA NI SATANAS NA MAY BUONG KAPANGYARIHAN AT MGA TANDA AT MGA KAHANGAHANGANG KASINUNGALINGAN, AT MAY BUONG DAYA NG KALIKUAN SA NANGAPAPAHAMAK; SAPAGKA’T HINDI NILA TINANGGAP ANG PAG-IBIG SA KATOTOHANAN, UPANG SILA’Y MANGALIGTAS.
Mateo 7:15 MANGAGINGAT KAYO SA MGA BULAAN PROPETA, NA NAGSISILAPIT SA INYO NA MAY DAMIT TUPA, DATAPUWA’T SA LOOB AY MGA LOBONG MANINILA.


Ano ang katunayan sa kasalukuyang panahon kung ano ang naging masasamang nakagawian ng maraming miembro ng samahang nagpapakunwaring sa Dios?

Mateo 7:16 SA KANILANG BUNGA AY INYONG MANGAKIKILALA SILA. Nakapuputi baga ng mga ubas sa mga tinikan, ong mga igos sa dawagan?

Galacia 5:19- At hayag ang mga gawa ng laman, sa makatuwid ay ang mga ito: PAKIKIAPID, karumihan, kalibugan, PAGSAMBA SA DIOSDIOSAN, pangkukulam, mga pagtataniman, mga mapagtalo, mga paninibugho, mga pagkakaalitan, mga pagkakampikampi, mga pagkakabahabahagi, MGA HIDWANG PANANAMPALATAYA, 21 mga kapanaghilian, MGA PAGLALASING, MGA KALAYAWAN at ang mga katulad nito; tungkol sa mga bagay na ito ay aking ipinagpapaunang ipaalaala sa inyo, tulad sa aking pagpapa alaala nang una sa inyo na ANG
MGA NAGSISIGAWA NG GAYONG MGA BAGAY AY HINDI MAGSISIPAGMANA NG KAHARIAN NG DIOS.




Katanggap tanggap kaya sa Dios ang pangangatwirang ang mga diosdiosan ay ginagamit lamang upang siya’y maalala at hindi naman ito sinasamba? Dapat nating malaman na ang doctrinang ipinatutupad ng Katoliko tungkol sa mga diosdiosan o larawang inanyuan ay dapat itong sambahin sapagka’t sa pamamagitan nito ang Dios daw mismo ang sinasamba sa paggawa ng ganito. Ito kaya ay katanggap tanggap sa Dios?

Ito’y katwirang hindi katanggap tanggap sa Dios gaya ng nasusulat sa Isaiah 42:8- Ako ang Panginoon; na siyang aking pangalan: at ANG AKING KALUWALHATIAN AY HINDI KO IBIBIGAY SA IBA, O ANG AKIN MANG KAPURIHAN SA MGA LARAWANG INANYUAN. EXODO 20:4-5-HUWAG KANG GAGAWA PARA SA IYO NG LARAWANG INANYUAN O NG KAWANGIS MAN NG ANOMANG ANYONG NASA ITAAS SA LANGIT, O NG NASA IBABA SA LUPA, O NG NASA TUBIG SA ILALIM NG LUPA: 5 HUWAG MONG YUYUKURAN SILA, O PAGLILINGKURAN MAN SILA; SAPAGKA’T AKONG PANGINOON MONG DIOS, AY DIOS NA MAPANIBUGHUIN, na aking dinadalaw ang katampalasanan ng mga magulang sa mga anak, hanggang sa ikatlo at ikaapat na salin ng lahi ng mga napopoot sa akin:

Sino sino ang mga madadaya at mabibigyan ng tanda ng bulaang relihiyon?

Apocalipsis 13:14- At NADADAYA NIYA ANG MGA NANANAHAN SA LUPA DAHIL SA MGA TANDA NA SA KANIYA’Y IPINAGKALOOB NA MAGAWA SA PANINGIN NG HAYOP; na sinasabi sa mga nananahan sa lupa, na dapat silang gumawa ng isang larawan ng hayop na mayroon ng sugat ng tabak at nabuhay 16-AT ANG LAHAT, MALILIIT AT MALALAKI, AT MAYAYAMAN AT MGA DUKHA, AT ANG MGA LAYA AT MGA ALIPIN ay pinabigyan ng isang tanda sa kanilang kanang kamay, o sa noo

Bakit kinakailangan layuan o lisanin ang nakagisnang relihiyon kung ito’y napatunayang hindi sa Dios?

Apocalipsis 18:4-5-At narinig ko ang ibang tinig na mula sa langit, na nagsasabi, MANGAGSILABAS KAYO SA KANIYA, BAYAN KO, UPANG HUWAG KAYONG MANGARAMAY SA KANIYANG MGA KASALANAN, AT HUWAG KAYONG MAGSITANGGAP NG KANIYANG MGA SALOT: 5 Sapagka’t ang kaniyang mga kasalanan ay umabot hanggang sa langit at naalaala ng Dios ang kaniyang mga katampalasanan.

Marami bang sumusunod sa tila matuwid nguni’t maling relihiyon?

Kawikaan 14:12 May DAAN NA TILA MATUWID sa isang tao, nguni’t ANG DULO NIYAON AY MGA DAAN NG KAMATAYAN.
Mateo 7:13 Kayo’y magsipasok sa makipot na pintuan; sapagka’t MALUWANG ANG PINTUAN, AT MALAPAD ANG DAAN PATUNGO SA KAPAHAMAKAN, AT MARAMI ANG DOO’Y NAGSISIPASOK


Ano ang pagsambang hinahanap ng Dios?

Juan 4:23- Datapuwa’t dumarating ang oras, at ngayon nga, NA SASAMBAHIN NG MGA TUNAY NA MANANAMBA ANG AMA SA ESPIRITU AT KATOTOHANAN: SAPAGKA’T HINAHANAP NG AMA ANG MGA GAYON NA MAGING MANANAMBA SA KANIYA.

Ano ang napakalaking kahalagahan ng PAGSAMPALATAYA SA KATOTOHANAN.

Ito ang magiging TATAK SA MGA MAGTATAMO NG KALIGTASAN AT ANG DAAN SA BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN.

JUAN 14:6 Sinabi sa kaniya ni Hesus, AKO ANG DAAN, AT ANG KATOTOHANAN, AT ANG BUHAY; SINOMAN AY DI MAKAPAROROON SA AMA, KUNDI SA PAMAMAGITAN KO.

Efeso 1:13- Na sa kaniya’y kayo rin naman, PAGKARINIG NG ARAL NG KATOTOHANAN, NG EVANGELIO NG INYONG KALIGTASAN, na sa kaniya rin naman, MULA NG KAYO’Y MAGSISAMPALATAYA, AY KAYO’Y TINATAKAN NG ESPIRITU SANTO, na ipinangako.



Ang Dios kaya ay nagbabago o makapagsisinungaling sa mga pahayag ng kasulatan?

Hebreo 6:17- Sa ganito, sa pagkaibig ng Dios na maipakitang lalong sagana sa mga tagapagmana ng pangako ANG KAWALAN NG PAGBABAGO NG KANIYANG PASYA, ay ipinamagitan ang sumpa; 18 Upang sa dalawang bagay na DI MABABAGO, na diya’y DI MAAARING ANG DIOS AY MAGBULAAN, ay mangagkaroon tayo ng isang matibay na kasiglahan, tayong nangagsitakas na sumakanlong upang mangapit sa pagasang nalalagay sa ating unahan.

Ang Pananampalataya o paniniwala kayang kahit hindi naaayon sa tunay na kagustuhan ng Dios ay katanggap tanggap pa rin sa Kaniya?

Roma 10:2 Sapagka’t SILA’Y pinatotohanan ko na MAY PAGMAMALASAKIT SA DIOS, DATAPUWA’T HINDI AYON SA PAGKAKILALA. 3. SAPAGKA’T SA HINDI NILA PAGKAALAM NG KATWIRAN NG DIOS, AT SA PAGSUSUMAKIT NA MAITAYO ANG SARILING KANILA, AY HINDI SILA NAPASAKOP SA KATWIRAN NG DIOS.

Ano ang kahalagahan ng tamang pagkilala sa tunay na Dios na naaayon lamang sa banal na kasulatan?

Juan 17:3 At ITO ANG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN, NA IKAW AY MAKILALA NILA NA IISANG DIOS NA TUNAY, at siyang iyong sinugo, samakatuwid baga’y si Hesucristo.

Paano mapapatunayan ng isang tao ang tamang pagkilala sa Dios na siyang paraan sa ikatatamo ng buhay na walang hanggan?

Ito’y sa pamamagitan ng pagsunod lamang sa mga tunay na kagustuhan ng Dios na nakabatay lamang sa kasulatan ng Biblia.

1 Juan 2:3 At sa ganito’y nalalaman natin na SIYA’Y ATING NAKIKILALA, KUNG TINUTUPAD NATIN ANG KANIYANG MGA UTOS. 4 ANG NAGSASABING , NAKIKILALA KO SIYA, AT HINDI TUMUTUPAD NG KANIYANG MGA UTOS, AY SINUNGALING, AT ANG KATOTOHANAN AY WALA SA KANIYA.

Mayroon bang tamang dapat pasukan at daanan ang tao upang makarating sa kaligtasan?

Mateo7:13- Kayo’y MAGSIPASOK SA MAKIPOT NA PINTUAN: SAPAGKA’T MALUWANG ANG PINTUAN, AT MALAPAD ANG DAAN PATUNGO SA PAGKAPAHAMAK, AT MARAMI ANG DOO’Y NAGSISIPASOK.14 Sapagka’t MAKIPOT ANG PINTUAN, AT MAKITID ANG DAAN PATUNGO SA BUHAY, AT KAKAUNTI ANG NANGAKAKASUMPONG NOON.

John 10:7 Muli ngang sinabi sa kanila ni Hesus, Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Ako ang pintuan ng mga tupa. 9 AKO ANG PINTUAN; ANG SINOMANG TAONG PUMASOK SA AKIN, AY SIYANG MALILIGTAS, at papasok at lalabas, at makasusumpong ng pastulan.


Bakit si Cristo ang niloob ng Dios upang dapat sundin ng bawa’t tao?

Juan 3:35 SINISINTA NG AMA ANG ANAK, AT INILAGAY SA KANIYANG KAMAY ANG LAHAT NG MGA BAGAY
Juan 14:6 Sinabi sa kaniya ni Hesus, AKO ANG DAAN, AT ANG KATOTOHANAN, AT ANG BUHAY; SINOMAN AY DI MAKAPAROROON SA AMA, KUNDI SA PAMAMAGITAN KO

Roma 10:4. Sapagka’t SI CRISTO ANG KINAUUWIAN NG KAUTUSAN SA IKATUTUWID NG BAWA’T SUMASAMPALATAYA.

1Juan 3:23 At ITO ANG KANIYANG UTOS, NA MANAMPALATAYA TAYO SA PANGALAN NG KANIYANG ANAK NA SI HESUCRISTO, at tayo’y mangagibigan, ayon sa ibinigay niyang utos sa atin.
Ano ang Iglesiang itinuturo ng banal na kasulatan na siyang dapat pasukan o aniban upang magkamit ng kaligtasan? Mababasa mismo ang pahayag ni Cristo sa;

Mateo 16:18 At sinasabi ko naman sa iyo, na ikaw ay Pedro, at sa ibabaw ng batong ito ay ITATAYO KO ANG AKING IGLESIA; at ANG MGA PINTUAN NG HADES AY HINDI MAGSISIPANAIG LABAN SA KANIYA.Gawa 20:28 Ingatan ninyo ang inyong sarili, at ang buong kawan, na sa kanila’y ginawa kayo ng Espiritu Santo na mga Obispo, upang pakanin ninyo ang IGLESIA NG PANGINOON NA BINILI NIYA NG KANIYANG SARILNG DUGO.



Ano ang dapat gawin ng tao upang makasiguro sa kaniyang kaligtasan? Ang bata kayang walang isip at walang malay sa kasalanan ay may kakayahang sumampalataya sa katotohanan at magdesisyong tumanggap ng bautismo?

Ang tunay na bautismong ipinangangaral ng Biblia ay nauukol sa mga taong may kakayahan ng mag-isip, MANIWALA SA KATOTOHANAN at magsisi sa kanilang mga kasalanan, na hindi kayang gawin ng mga walang malay na sanggol o bata na di nakakaalam ng mabuti o masama.

Marcos 16:16- Ang SUMASAMPALATAYA AT MABAUTISMUHAN AY MALILIGTAS; datapwa’t ANG HINDI SUMASAMPALATAYA AY PARURUSAHAN


Nguni’t kung ating mapapansin, napakaraming tao ang may paniniwalang hindi nakabatay sa biblia at hindi sumusunod sa tunay na kautusan ng Dios ayon sa mga naunang pahayag, magagawa kaya ng Dios na hatulan ang gayong lubhang dami ng taong ayaw sumunod sa kaniyang kagustuhan?

Lucas 17:26 At KUNG PAANO ANG NANGYARI SA MGA KAARAWAN NI NOE, AY GAYON DIN NAMAN ANG MANGYAYARI SA KAARAWAN NG ANAK NG TAO. 27 SILA'Y NAGSISIKAIN, SILA'Y NAGSISIINOM, SILA'Y NANGAG AASAWA, AT SILA'Y PINAPAG ASAWA, HANGGANG SA ARAWA NA PUMASOK SA DAONG SI NOE, AT DUMATING ANG PAGGUNAW, AT NILIPOL SILANG LAHAT 28 GAYON DIN NAMAN KUNG PAANO ANG NANGYARI SA MGA KAARAWAN NI LOT, sila'y nagsisikain, sila'y nagsisiinom, sila'y nagsisibli, sila'y nangagbibili, sila'y nangagtatanim, sila'y nangagtatayo ng bahay.29 DATAPUWA'T NANG ARAW NA UMALIS SA SODOMA SI LOT, AY UMULAN MULA SA LANGIT NG APOY AT ASUPRE AT NILIPOL SILANG LAHAT. 30- GAYON DIN NAMAN ANG MANGYAYARI SA ARAW NA ANG ANAK NG TAO AY MAHAYAG.

Papaanong magagawa ng Dios na gawin ang gayong mga bagay? Hindi ba’t ang Dios ay mapagmahal at umiibig sa kaniyang mga nilalang sa sanglibutan?

Totoong ang Dios ay mapagmahal kaya naman siya’y gumawa ng paraan upang sanlibutan ay magkaroon ng kaligtasan gaya ng nasasaad sa;

Juan 3:16 Sapagka’t gayon na lamang ang PAGSINTA NG DIOS SA SANLIBUTAN, na IBINIGAY ANG KANIYANG BUGTONG NA ANAK, UPANG ANG SINOMANG SA KANIYA’Y SUMAMPALATAYA AY HUWAG MAPAHAMAK, KUNDI MAGKAROON NG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN.

Sa anong paraan nawawala ang pag ibig ng Dios sa kaniyang mga nilikha na siyang dahilan ng mga gayong masamang pangyayari?

1 Juan 2:15 huwag ninyong ibigin ang sanlibutan, ni ang mga bagay na nasa sanglibutan, KUNG ANG SINOMAN AY UMIIBIG SA SANGLIBUTAN, AY WALA SA KANIYA ANG PAG IBIG NG AMA

Maaari kayang ipagwalang bahala na lang ang mga salita ng biblia kahit ito pa ay nagmula sa Dios?

Juan 3:12 Kung sinabi ko sa inyo ang mga bagay na nauukol sa lupa at hindi ninyo pinaniniwalaan, paanong paniniwalaan ninyo kung sabihin ko sa inyo ang mga bagay na nauukol sa langit?

Paano masisiguro ng tao kung ang Iglesiang pangkasakuyan ay tunay na sa Dios na naayon sa mga hulang sinasaad ng Biblia? Napakaraming relihiyon o Iglesia sa kasalukuyang panahon na may taglay na pangalang sa Dios o kay Cristo, paano makikilala ang tunay na sa Dios?

Ang tunay na Iglesiang sa Dios ay makikilala sa pamamagitan ng PAGTUTURO, PAGSUNOD at PAGTUPAD NG LAHAT NG UTOS na naaayon sa mga hulang tunay na nakabase lamang sa nakasulat sapagka’t ito ang paraan ng pagkakamit ng buhay na walang hanggan gaya ng nabanggit sa mga naunang pahayag. Sa mga ganitong kwalipikasyon ay natutupad ang kagustuhan at kalooban ng Dios na hindi nasasalig sa pamamaraan na base sa karunungan o kagustuhan lamang ng sinomang tao gaya ng panalanging itinuturo sa Mateo 6:9 Magsidalangin nga kayo ng ganito: Ama naming na nasa langit ka, Sambahin nawa ang pangalan mo. 10 dumating nawa ang kaharian mo. GAWIN NAWA ANG IYONG KALOOBAN, KUNG PAANO SA LANGIT, GAYON DIN NAMAN SA LUPA.

Mateo 28:19 Dahil dito magsiyaon nga kayo, at gawin ninyong mga alagad ang lahat ng mga bansa, na sila’y`inyong bautismuhan sa pangalan ng Ama at ng Anak at ng Espiritu Santo 29
NA ITURO NINYO SA KANILA NA KANILANG GANAPIN ANG LAHAT NG MGA BAGAY NA INIUTOS KO SA INYO: at narito, ako’y sumasa inyong palagi, hanggang sa katapusan ng sanglibutan.

1 Corinto2:4 At ang aking pananalita at ang aking PANGANGARAL ay HINDI SA MGA SALITANG PANGHIKAYAT NG KARUNUNGAN, KUNDI SA PATOTOO NG ESPIRITU AT NG KAPANGYARIHAN 5 UPANG ANG INYONG PANANAMPALATAYA AY HUWAG MASALIG SA KARUNUNGAN NG MGA TAO, KUNDI SA KAPANGYARIHAN NG DIOS.


Ano ang mga tunay na nasusulat na ibang iba sa mga kathang doktrina ng nasabing pangunahing relihiyon at mga sangay nito? Sa mga anong pamamaraan nadadaya ni Satanas ang mga tao? Ano ang magiging basehan ng Dios sa paghatol sa mga tao sa araw ng paghuhukom? Isusugal mo ba ang iyong kaligtasan sa mga maling paniniwala sa panandaliang buhay dito sa lupa kapalit ng walang hanggang buhay? Ito ay ilan lamang sa mga napakahalagang mga katanungan na dapat hanapan ng katugunan mula lamang sa kasulatan ng Dios na siyang tunay na kinaroroonan ng ating pag asa.




Ang Iglesia ni Cristo ay umaanyaya sa inyong suriin ang mga tunay na salita ng Dios na ipinangangaral hango lamang sa banal na kasulatan. Kung nais po ninyong makipag ugnayan ay puntahan lamang po ang pinakamalapit na local o pagtanungan ang sinomang inyong nakikilalang kaanib sa Iglesia. Makikita rin po ang iba’t ibang lokasyon ng mga lokal sa iba’t ibang panig ng mundo sa website sa ibaba.

http://gliponeonline.tripod.com/church_skedusa.html

“ Kung ang sinomang tao’y ibig sumunod sa akin ay tumanggi sa kaniyang sarili, at pasanin ang kaniyang krus, at sumunod sa akin. Sapagkat ang sinomang magibig iligtas ang kaniyang buhay ay mawawalan nito: at ang sinomang mawalan ng kaniyang buhay dahil sa akin ay makakasumpong niyaon” Mateo 16: 24-25


 
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The power of the words of God, manifests in the true church who implements what he say..

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February 21 2006, 1:44 AM 

Lucas 2:35
Ito ay mangyayari upang mahayag ang mga pagtatalo ng maraming puso. Sa iyo rin, ISANG TABAK ang tatagos sa iyong kaluluwa.

Hebreo 4:12
Sapagkat buhay at mabisa ANG SALITA NG DIOS at higit na matalas ito kaysa sa alin mang tabak na may dalawang talim. Bumabaon ito hanggang sa ikapaghihiwalay ng kaluluwa at ng espiritu at ng kasu-kasuan at utak ng buto. NAKAKATALOS ITO NG MGA PAG-IISIP AT MGA SALOOBIN NG PUSO.

Mga Taga-Efeso 6:17
Tanggapin din ninyo ang HELMET NG KALIGTASAN at ang TABAK NG ESPIRITU na siyang SALITA NG DIOS.

Kaya naman sa totoong Iglesiang sa Dios ay ito ang ginagawa..


2 Kay Timoteo 4:2
Ipangaral mo ang salita. Maging handa ka sa mabuting panahon o sa hindi mabuting panahon. Manumbat ka, magsaway ka, manghikayat kang may katapatan at pagtuturo.


1 Kay Timoteo 4:16
Ingatan mo ang iyong sarili at ang pagtuturo. Manatili ka sa mga bagay na ito. Kung gagawin mo ito, maililigtas mo ang iyong sarili at ang mga makikinig sa iyo.

2 Kay Timoteo 3:16
Kinasihan ng Diyos ang bawat kasulatan. Ang mga ito ay mapakikinabangan sa pagtuturo, sa pagsaway, sa pagtutuwid, sa pagsasanay sa katuwiran.
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And this is undeniably true..

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February 27 2006, 10:19 AM 

no wonder this thread is being left out by Bible opposers, who diverts to personal fabricated attacks to those who believe this instead of counter explanation of their so called "beliefs" supposedly using the bible as reference.

Romans 8:29 Because whom he has foreknown, he has also predestinated [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, so that he should be [the] FIRST BORN among many brethren.

Colossians 1:15 - who is image of the invisible God, FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION

Ephesians 1:4 - according as he has CHOSEN US IN HIM BEFORE THE WORLDS FOUNDATION , that we should be holy and blameless before him in love;

1 Peter 1:20 foreknown indeed before [the] foundation of [the] world, but who has been manifested at the end of times for your sakes, 21 who by him do believe on God, who has raised him from among [the] dead and given him glory, that your FAITH AND HOPE SHOULD BE IN GOD

 
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Re: And this is undeniably true..

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February 27 2006, 1:06 PM 


 
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Invitation..

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April 10 2006, 12:42 PM 

Are you Assured of Your Destiny?



If a man wholeheartedly believes in the next life everlasting, shouldn’t he believe first on which way leads to it? Will a man’s soul be saved with faith that OPPOSES God’s true laws?

Revelation 21:8- But the COWARDLY, the UNBELIEVING, the VILE, the MUDERERS, the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, those who practice magic arts, THE IDOLATERS and ALL LIARS—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.
Isaiah 44:14-20

Worshipping of idols is not a commandment of God but it is a practice that is not acceptable to him. This is equivalent to adding to the words of God in the bible that results in one’s exclusion from inheriting God’s kingdom in the everlasting life.

What are the evil consequences of adding to or subtracting from the words of God?

Revelation 22: 18- I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: IF ANYONE ADDS ANYTHING TO THEM, GOD WILL ADD TO HIM THE PLAGUES described in this book. 19And IF ANYONE TAKES WORDS AWAY FROM THIS BOOK OF PROPHESY, GOD WILL TAKE AWAY FROM HIM HIS SHARE IN THE TREE OF LIFE and IN THE HOLY CITY which are described in this book.

Isn’t it reasonable to make one’s own belief even if it is not based on what’s in the bible??

According from Deuteronomy 12:32 See that you do all I command you; DO NOT ADD TO IT OR TAKE AWAY FROM IT.

Proverbs 3:5- Trust in the LORD with all your heart and LEAN NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING;6 in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. 7 DO NOT BE WISE IN YOUR OWN EYES; fear the LORD and shun evil.

Are all men whom God created as long as they call to him become qualified to enter HIS kingdom?

Matthew 7:21-NOT EVERYONE WHO SAYS TO ME, 'LORD, LORD,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT ONLY HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Is there a worth for God with the way people respect or worship Him by way of invented or man made doctrines?

Matthew 15:7 – You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8" THESE PEOPLE HONOR ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEARTS ARE FROM ME. 9THEY WORSHIP ME IN VAIN; THEIR TEACHINGS ARE BUT RULES TAUGHT BY MEN.

Believes that as long as one lives a good or righteous life even though his faith is wrong or deviant of the truth still acceptable to God?

Galatians 1:9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a GOSPEL OTHER THAN WHAT YOU ACCEPTED, let him be eternally CONDEMNED!

1 Corinthian 1: 19 For it is written, “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and“ I will thwart the cleverness of the intelligent.” 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the expert in the Mosaic law? Where is the debater of this age? Has God not made the wisdom of the world foolish?

Galatians 5:4 YOU WHO ARE TRYING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY LAW have been “ALIENATED FROM CHRIST; YOU HAVE “FALLEN FROM GRACE. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope.

Galatians 2:16 know that a MAN IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY OBSERVING THE LAW, BUT BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Is right faith or belief in truth already enough even without works?

1 John 3:18
Dear children, LET US NOT LOVE WITH WORDS OR TONGUE BUT WITH ACTIONS AND IN TRUTH. 19THIS THEN IS HOW WE KNOW THAT WE BELONG TO THE TRUTH, and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence
James 2:20
You foolish man, do you want evidence that FAITH WITHOUT DEED IS USELESS?

What other schemes do false prophets of false religions do other than teaching false or man made doctrines?

2 Peter 2:17 These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For THEY MOUTH, BOASTFUL WORDS and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, THEY ENTICE PEOPLE who are just escaping from those who live in error.

Romans 16:18 FOR SUCH PEOPLE ARE NOT SERVING OUR LORD CHRIST, BUT THEIR OWN APPETITES. BY SMOOTH TALK AND FLATTERY THEY DECEIVE THE MINDS OF NAÏVE PEOPLE.

Will the assumption of everyone that they still belong or right with God though they insist on believing something that is not written still acceptable to Him? What is the Bible’s description for those kinds of people? Does still God consider them as his own though they believe in LIES?

Although all things are created by God, whoever do not believe in His words written in the Bible, believes in LIES. As a consequence, God do not consider them as his own people.

John 8:44 YOU BELONG TO YOUR FATHER, THE DEVIL, and YOU WANT TO CARRY OUT YOUR FATHER’S DESIRE. He was a murderer from the beginning; NOT HOLDING TO THE TRUTH, for THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIM. When he lies, he speaks his native language, FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF ALL LIES. 45Yet because I TELL THE TRUTH, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me? 47HE WHO BELONGS TO GOD HEARS WHAT GOD SAYS. THE REASON YOU DO NOT HEAR IS THAT YOU DO NOT BELONG TO GOD."

What are SOME amazing LIES which one of the greatest and well known religion and its branches where many assume they belong to God implements? Take note that the following lists of doctrines being taught and applied by one of the most dominant religion and its branches are in opposition to God’s words as they are either against or they not instructed in the Bible for men to practice or follow.

1.Worshipping of Idols
2.Infant baptism where young people are
baptized though incapable of believing.
3.Purgatory
4.Confession sins to the Priests
5.Calling priests as “fathers”
6.House or property blessings
7. Myths and Superstitious beliefs
8. Immediate resurrection of the dead in heaven or in hell
9. The many Titles of Mary, assumption, and apparitions
10. Paid offering prayers for the dead
11. False miracles, repeated or long prayers as done in “rosary”
12. Many feast or celebrations based from pagan origins
13. Prohibition of priests to marry and abstaining from meat.




What prophesy from the bible does these false preachers and religions fulfills? How does the bible describe them?

Matthew 24:24- For FALSE CHRISTS’S and FALSE PROPHETS WILL APPEAR and PERFORM GREAT SIGNS and MIRACLES to DECEIVE even the elect if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

Even so there are many LIES and false teachings the Catholic religion and its branches teaches, their priests and preachers are seen with features of “holiness” and righteousness. How do they become evil in the eyes of God?

We should know that certain FEATURES AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THE DEVIL is NOT DETERMINED THROUGH UNPLEASANT, UGLY OR SCARY PHYSICAL FEATURES or means just like the belief so many. That is not what’s written rather the evil ones described in the bible PRESENT THEMSELVES AS RIGHTEOUS but through LIES and DECEPTIONS they will mislead the many.

2 Corinthians 11:14- And NO WONDER, for SATAN HIMSELF MASQUERADES AS AN ANGEL OF LIGHT. 15It is not surprising, then, if HIS SERVANTS MASQUERADE AS SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

2 Thessalonians 2:9- The COMING OF THE LAWLESS ONE will be in accordance with the WORK OF SATAN DISPLAYED in ALL KINDS OF COUNTERFEIT MIRACLES, SIGNS AND WONDERS, 10and in every sort of evil that DECEIVES THOSE WHO ARE PERISHING. They PERISH because THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH and SO BE SAVED. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that ALL WILL BE CONDEMNED WHO HAVE NOT BELIEVED THE TRUTH BUT HAVE DELIGHTED IN WICKEDNESS.

Matthew 7:15 WATCH OUT for FALSE PROPHETS. They COME TO YOU IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING, but INWARDLY they are FEROCIOUS WOLVES.

What proofs of common evil ways can be seen from these fruits or members of these false religions claiming to be of God?

Matthew 7:16 By THEIR FRUIT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.

Galatians 5:19- The ACTS OF SINFUL NATURE ARE OBVIOUS: ADULTERY, FORNICATION, UNCLEANNESS, LASCIVOUSNESS, 20IDOLATRY, WITCHCRAFT, HATRED, VARIANCE, EMULATIONS, WRATH, STRIFE, SEDITIONS, HERESIES, FACTIONS 21and ENVYINGS, MURDERS, DRUNKENNESS, REVELLINGS, AND THE LIKE. I warn you, as I did before, that THOSE WHO LIVE LIKE THIS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.


Many people reason out that these images or idols are only used in order to remember God and not for worshipping purposes. Is this acceptable to God?

This reasoning is NOT ACCEPTABLE to God as there is no such commandment. It is a direct contradiction to God’s commandment and as previously mentioned from previous verses it is prohibited add to what is written. Isaiah 42:8- "I am the LORD; that is my name! I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER OR MY PRAISE TO IDOLS.

Exodus 20:4-5-"YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF AN IDOL IN THE FORM OF ANYTHING IN HEAVEN ABOVE OR ON THE EARTH BENEATH OR IN THE WATERS BELOW. 5 YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM OR WORSHIP THEM; for I, the LORD your GOD, AM A JEALOUS GOD, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments”.

Are there many who follow these seemingly righteous but false religions?

Proverbs 14:12 THERE IS A WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT TO A MAN, but IN THE END IT LEADS TO DEATH.

Matthew 7:13 Enter through the narrow gate. For WIDE IS THE GATE and BROAD IS THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO DESTRUCTION, and MANY ENTER THROUGH IT. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.


Who are those that are being deceived and given signs by false religions?

Revelation 13:14-Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, HE DECEIVED THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, SMALL AND GREAT, RICH AND POOR, FREE AND SLAVE, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead

Why is it important to leave one’s religion after knowing it does not belong to God?

Revelation 18:4-5-Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "COME OUT OF HER, my people, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT SHARE IN HER SINS, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY OF HER PLAGUES; 5for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes

What kind of worship does God seek?

John 4:23- Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH, FOR THEY ARE THE KIND OF WORSHIPPERS THE FATHER SEEK. 24God is spirit, and HIS WORSHIPPERS MUST WORSHIP IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH."

What is the great importance of having faith in truth?

This WILL SERVE AS A SIGN FOR THOSE WHO WILL INHERIT THE PROMISED SALVATION. It is the way of attaining everlasting life.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I AM THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME. 7If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well

Efeso 1:13- And YOU ALSO WERE INCLUDED IN CHRIST WHEN YOU HEARD THE WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION. HAVING BELIEVED, YOU WERE MARKED IN HIM WITH A SEAL, THE PROMISED HOLY SPIRIT, WHO IS A DEPOSIT GURANTEEING OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of those who are God's possession to the praise of his glory.


Some people think maybe God changes decisions or sometimes lie. What does the bible say?

Hebrew 6:17- Because GOD WANTED TO MAKE THE UNCHANGING NATURE of HIS PURPOSE VERY CLEAR to the heirs of what was promised; HE CONFIRMED IT WITH AN OATH. 18GOD DID THIS SO THAT BY TWO UNCHANGEABLE THINGS IN WHICH IT IS IMPOSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, we who have fled to take hold of the hope offered to us may be greatly encouraged. 19We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure.

Will faith of belief which does not conform with truth still acceptable to God?

Romans 10:2 For I can testify that THEY ARE ZEALOUS FOR GOD, BUT THEIR ZEAL IS NOT IN LINE WITH THE TRUTH.3 FOR IGNORING THE RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT COMES FROM GOD, AND SEEKING INSTEAD TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, THEY DID NOT SUBMIT TO GOD’S RIGHTEOUSNESS.

What is the importance of having the right knowledge about God which is based only from the Holy Bible?

John 17:3 Now THIS IS ETERNAL LIFE THAT THEY KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you sent.

There are other so called gods, are they not true?

1 Corinthians 8:5 If after all there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), 6 YET FOR US THERE IS ONE GOD, THE FATHER, from whom are all things and for whom we live, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we live.

How can someone prove the right knowledge about God which is the way to life everlasting?

Through obedience only to the true will of God which is found in the Bible.
1 John 2:3 Now BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE COME TO KNOW GOD: IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. 2:4 THE ONE WHO SAYS “I HAVE COME TO KNOW GOD” AND YET DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN SUCH A PERSON. 2:5 But whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has been perfected. By this we know that we are in him. 2:6 The one who says he resides in God ought himself to walk just as Jesus walked.

Is there a door or a way for people to enter in order to reach salvation?

Mathew 7:13- Enter through the NARROW GATE, because the GATE IS WIDE and the WAY IS SPACIOUS that leads to DESTRUCTION, and there are MANY who enter through it. 7:14 But THE GATE IS NARROW AND THE WAY IS DIFFICULT THAT LEADS TO LIFE, and there are few who find it.

John 10:9 I AM THE DOOR. IF ANYONE ENTERS THROUGH ME, HE WILL BE SAVED, and will come in and go out, and find pasture.

Why God did made Jesus Christ the one whom people should follow?

John 3:35 The FATHER LOVES THE SON AND HAS PLACED ALL THINGS UNDER HIS AUTHORITY. 36 The ONE WHO BELIEVES IN THE SON HAS ETERNAL LIFE. The one who REJECTS the Son WILL NOT SEE LIFE, but God’s wrath remains on him.

Romans 10:4. For CHRIST IS THE END OF THE LAW, with the result that there is righteousness for everyone who believes.

1John 3:23 Now THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT: that we BELIEVE IN THE NAME OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, just as he gave us the commandment.

What Church does the bible teach where people should enter for the attainment of salvation?

We can read Jesus’ own testimony from the following verse;

Mathew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH, and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the CHURCH OF CHRIST which he has purchased with his blood.

What should men do to make sure of his salvation? Will a young person who do not have the ability to think and still ignorant of sins have the ability to believe in the words of God and decide to accept baptism?

The true baptism being taught in the bible is for those capable of rational thinking, capable of believing and accepting in the words of God, and willing to repent from their sins which an infant or a young child is unaware.

Mark 16:16- The one who BELIEVES AND IS BAPTIZED WILL BE SAVED, but the one who does not believe will be condemned

But there are many people who have beliefs that are not based from the bible and therefore do not follow God’s true commandments based from previous verses. Can God judge or condemn such multitude of people who do not follow him?

Luke 17:26-- JUST AS IT WAS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, SO TOO IT WILL BE IN THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN 27 People were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage right up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.28 Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot, people were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, building; 29 but on the day Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be the same on the day the Son of Man is revealed.

How can God do what such things? Isn’t it God is love and He loves all that he created?

It is true that God is love that is why He made a way for men to have salvation but with certain condition as what is written in;

Juan 3:16 FOR THIS IS THE WAY GOD LOVED THE WORLD: HE GAVE IS ONE AND ONLY SON, so that EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 3:18 THE ONE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED. THE ONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE HAS BEEN CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.

In what way does God’s love is lost to people which causes such disaster?

1 John 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. IF ANYONE LOVES THE WORLD, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER IS NOT IN HIM, 2:16 because all that is in the world (the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the arrogance produced by material possessions) is not from the Father, but is from the WORLD. 2:17 And the world is passing away with all its desires, but the person who does the will of God remains forever.

Can people just ignore what is written in the Bible even though they are from God?

John 3:12 If I HAVE TOLD YOU PEOPLE ABOUT EARTHLY THINGS AND YOU DON’T BELIEVE, HOW WILL YOU BELIEVE IF I TELL YOU ABOUT HEAVENLY THINGS?

How can we be sure that a church nowadays is truly of God? There are so many religious denominations and groups claiming to be of God? How can we determine which is truly of God?

The true church of God can be identified through its doctrines , teachings, implementations, and obedience to all of God’s commandments which is based solely on what is written without addition or subtraction that conforms to the prophesies found only in the Bible. Such is the way of attaining eternal life as mentioned from previous statements. Through these qualifications, God’s will is truly followed and not the will of men as what is being taught when praying from the book of ; Matthew 6:9 So pray this way: OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, MAY YOUR NAME BE HONORED, 10 MAY YOUR KINGDOM COME, MAY YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

Mathew 28:19 Therefore go and MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

1 Corinthians 2:4 MY CONVERSATION AND MY PREACHING WERE NOT WITH PERSUASIVE WORDS OF WISDOM, BUT WITH A DEMONSTRATION OF THE SPIRIT AND POWER, 2:5 SO THAT YOUR FAITH WOULD NOT BE BASED ON HUMAN WISDOM BUT ON THE POWER OF GOD.

What other doctrines written in the bible which is truly different from the doctrines believed and implemented by many dominant religions today and their branches? In what other ways does Satan deceive so many people? Do miracles happening nowadays signify being of God’s true church? What will be the basis of God in judging people on the Day of Judgment? These are only some of the many questions people need to seek for answers only from the words of God written in the Bible.

The Church of Christ invites you to study the true words of God being taught based only from the Holy Scriptures. If you wish to coordinate please visit our nearest local. Please feel free to ask any member of the church that you know. You can also find our different local addresses on different part of the world listed on the website address below.

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“Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone wants to become my follower, he must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.” Mateo 16: 24-25


 
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bro budski, i appreciate all of those memorable cites that you just posted

keep up bro

 
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Salamt Din Bro sa inyong pagbabasa, pagtiisan niyo po ang aking konting naibabahagi. Sa Dios na siyang sa atin ay gumagawa, Kapurihan ay lagi pa ring sa kaniya.

Mga Taga-Roma 15:5
Ang Diyos ang nagbigay sa inyo ng pagtitiis at pagpapalakas-loob upang magkaroon kayo ng iisang kaisipan sa isa't isa ayon kay Cristo Jesus.

Mga Taga-Roma 16:27
Sa iisang matalinong Diyos, ang kaluwalhatian ang siyang sumakaniya magpakailanman sa pamamagitan ni Jesucristo. Siya nawa!

 
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Ako nga po ang dapat magpasalamat, dahil marami akong nalistang mga talata na ngayuy ginagamit ko sa trabaho kapag ako ay nakikipagdebate, awa ng Dios ay hindi nila ako mapamalian

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a ok Bro! Pagpalain nawa tayong lalo ng Dios, Salamat sa kaniya sa lahat ng kaniyang biyaya, nawa'y lalo pa tayong sumagana sa lahat at makatawag ng ating mga nakaka diskusyon at nakakasalamuha.

Ephesians 1:16 do not cease giving thanks for you, making mention [of you] at my prayers, 17 that the GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, the Father of glory, would give you [the] spirit of wisdom and revelation in the full knowledge of him, 18 being enlightened in the eyes of your heart, so that ye should know what is the hope of his calling, [and] what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19 and what the surpassing greatness of his power towards us who believe, according to the working of the might of his strength, 20 [in] which he wrought in the Christ [in] raising him from among [the] dead, and he set him down at his right hand in the heavenlies, 21 above every principality, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name named, not only in this age, but also in that to come; 22 and has put all things under his feet, and gave him [to be] head over all things to the assembly, 23 which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all:

1 Corinthians 15:27 For he has put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he says that all things are put in subjection, [it is] evident that [it is] EXCEPT him who put all things in subjection to him. 28 But when all things shall have been brought into subjection to him, then the Son also himself shall be placed in subjection to him who put all things in subjection to him, that God may be all in all.

Ephesians 4:6 - one God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in us all.




 
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Juan 5:44
Papaano kayo makakasampalataya, kayo na tumatanggap ng kaluwalhatian sa isa't isa? At hindi ninyo hinahanap ang parangal na nagmumula sa iisang Diyos.


Mga Taga-Roma 3:30
Ito ay sapagkat iisa ang Diyos na magpapaging-matuwid sa mga nasa pagtutuli sa pamamagitan ng pananampalataya at sa mga nasa hindi pagtutuli ay sa gayunding pananampalataya.

Mga Taga-Roma 16:27
Sa iisang matalinong Diyos, ang kaluwalhatian ang siyang sumakaniya magpakailanman sa pamamagitan ni Jesucristo. Siya nawa

Mga Taga-Galacia 3:20
Ang tagapamagitan ay hindi para sa isang panig lamang, ngunit ang Diyos ay iisa.




 
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Let the truth reveal....

 
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9.Ang Nagkasalungatang Pahayag ni Eliseo "Eli" Soriano ng 'Ang Dating Daan' patungkol sa Isyung "Nagulat" si Thomas.
"He is not NAGULAT!" - Eliseo "Eli" Soriano (puno ng Ang Dating Daan)

10.Ini-Isyu ng 'Ang Dating Daan' ni Eliseo "Eli" Soriano na 'Mamamatay-tao' di' umano ang mga Iglesia Ni Cristo.
"mga mamatay tao kayo dyan kayo branded!!!" - PUGITA (kaanib sa 'Ang Dating Daan)

11.Kasagutan ni Meigon na kaanib sa 'Ang Dating Daan' ni Eliseo "Eli" Soriano patungkol sa 'Isyu ng Banal na Hapunan sa Ang Dating Daan'.
Sagot ko po regarding sa aming (Ang Dating Daan members) Banal na Hapunan

12.Isyu ng 'Ang Dating Daan' ni Eliseo "Eli" Soriano patungkol sa Stand ng Iglesia Ni Cristo na Anghel o Sugo ng Dios si ka Felix Manalo
Kaya naman po pala napagkamalian ng Iglesia Ni Cristo na anghel si Gno. Felix Manalo - Meigon

13.Ang Nakikita di' umano ni Meigon na kaanib sa 'Ang Dating Daan' ni Eliseo "Eli" Soriano na di' niya nakikita dati
Talaga bang gusto n'yong malaman ang nakikita ko ngayon na hindi ko nakikita dati? - Meigon

14.Ang Paanyaya ni Meigon na Kaanib sa 'Ang Dating Daan' ni Eliseo "Eli" Soriano sa lahat ng Iglesia Ni Cristo na nasa forum.
[To all Iglesia Ni Cristo here] Convince Me! - Meigon


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