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Brothers
(Login TaGuRo) | Re: Questions for Login TaGuRoNo score for this post | September 27 2006, 4:17 PM |
presently I'm a catholic
I belive that Jesus is God who became Man...
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Nicol Amalfi
(Login wargreymon_x) | Re: Questions for Login TaGuRoNo score for this post | September 27 2006, 4:55 PM |
Brothers (Login TaGuRo)
Re: Questions for Login TaGuRo
No score for this post September 27 2006, 4:17 PM
presently I'm a catholic
I belive that Jesus is God who became Man...
COULD YOU PLEASE CITE ANY VERSE/S IN THE BIBLE TO PROVE THAT? TNX.
--NICOL AMALFI, BLITZ GUNDAM PILOT
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CYBR0 | Re: Questions for Login TaGuRoNo score for this post | September 27 2006, 5:11 PM |
Bro taguro, welcome po sa forum.
Sana po ay magpatuloy kayo sa pag-susuri sa Iglesia ni Cristo.
Malaya po kayong makapagtatanong.
Ituring nyo rin na kami'y mga kaibigan sa forum na ito.
Job 22:15 Iyo bang pagpapatuluyan ang dating daan, na nilakaran ng mga masamang tao?
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Brothers
(Login TaGuRo) | is this ok?No score for this post | September 27 2006, 6:09 PM |
John 1:18
18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18
18"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 1:18
18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
1 John 4:9
9By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.
Isaiah 7:14
14"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
Matthew 1:23
23"BEHOLD, THE VIRGIN SHALL BE WITH CHILD AND SHALL BEAR A SON, AND THEY SHALL CALL HIS NAME IMMANUEL," which translated means, "GOD WITH US."
Isaiah 9:6-7
6For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;And the overnment will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful counselor, Mighty God,Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
7There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.
Luke 2:11
11for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
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CYBR0 | Re: is this ok?No score for this post | September 27 2006, 6:18 PM |
taguro ano ibig mong sabihin sa mga talatang ibinigay mo?
pka explain po kung ano ang nais nyong ipabatid sa mga talatang ibingay nyo.
Job 22:15 Iyo bang pagpapatuluyan ang dating daan, na nilakaran ng mga masamang tao?
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Brothers
(Login TaGuRo) | sabi ni nicoleNo score for this post | September 27 2006, 6:34 PM |
sabi niya mag cite daw ako ng pakahulugan ay si Cristo ay Diyos na nasa anyong tao.
meron po bang problema sa mga talata na naibigay ko? yan po kasi yung pag kakaintindi ko eh.
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Dearka Elsman
(Login wargreymon_x) | Isaiah 7:14No score for this post | September 28 2006, 7:59 AM |
http://www.geocities.com/truthfinder_inc/truthfinder/verses_files/isaiah7_14.htm
Concerning Christ, Apostle Matthew wrote:
“’Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel’, which is translated, ‘God with us’.” (Mt. 1:23, NKJV)
The apostle was actually quoting here a prophecy of Prophet Isaiah (Is. 7:14) which was fulfilled in Lord Jesus Christ. Since it was foretold that the name of the Son, Jesus Christ, would be called Immanuel, meaning “God with us,” believers in the deity of Christ conclude that Christ is God.
ASCRIBING THE NAME Immanuel (“God is with us”) to Christ does not imply that Christ Himself is God who is with us. The meaning of one’s name does not denote one’s nature or state of being. For instance, a lady may be named Rose or Daisy but this doesn’t mean that she is a literal flower.
We can cite so many names of biblical characters whose meanings do not in any way denote the state of being of the persons bearing them. Apostle Peter’s name means rock (Jn. 1:42) but he is not a literal stone. Christ gave the brothers James and John the name “Boanerges” meaning the sons of thunder (Mk. 3:17) but they were not literally born to a thunder. The last of the 13 sons born to King David was named Eliphelet meaning “the God of deliverance” (Smith’s Bible Dictionary, p. 167) but this doesn’t mean that David’s son is the God of deliverance himself.
Christ’s being called Immanuel only signifies that God is with us through the Lord Jesus Christ. God is in Christ and through Him, we have been reconciled to God:
“Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
“That is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.” (II Cor. 5:18-20, NKJV)
And by obeying Christ’s teachings, man will receive the love of the Father and the promise that God and Christ will dwell in him:
“Jesus answered him, ‘Whoever loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and my Father and I will come to him and live with him’.” (Jn. 14:23., TEV)
God is with us through Christ. Thus, anyone who is separate from Christ is without God:
“Remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners top the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.” (Eph. 2:12, NIV)
Hence, the name Immanuel does not in any way prove the alleged deity of Christ. It simply means that God is with us through the Lord Jesus Christ.
--DEARKA ELSMAN, BUSTER GUNDAM PILOT
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Yzak Joule
(Login wargreymon_x) | MATTHEW 1:23No score for this post | September 28 2006, 8:02 AM |
http://www.geocities.com/truthfinder_inc/truthfinder/verses_files/matthew1_23.htm
"A virgin will become pregnant and have a son, and he will be called Immanuel’ (which means, ‘ God is with us’).” (Matthew 1:23, Today’s English Version)
Apostle Matthew was actually quoting here a prophesy of Prophet Isaiah (Is. 7:14) which was fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. Since it was foretold that the name of the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, would be called Immanuel, meaning “God is with us,” believers in the deity of Christ jumped into the conclusion that Christ is God.
Ascribing the name Immanuel (meaning “God is with us”) to Christ does not imply that Christ Himself is God who is with us. The meaning of one’s name does not denote one’s nature or state of being. For instance, a lady may be named Rose or Daisy but this doesn’t mean that she is a literal flower. We can cite so many names of biblical character whose meanings do not in any way denote the state of being of the persons bearing them. Apostle Peter’s name means rock (Jn 1:42) but he is not a literal stone. The Lord Jesus gave the brothers James and John the name “Boanerges” meaning the sons of thunder (Mk. 3:17); but they were not literally born to a thunder. And here is another which should make the proponents of the Christ-is-God doctrine rethink their stand: the last of the 13 sons born to King David was named Eliphelet, meaning “the God of deliverance” (Smith’s Bible Dictionary, p. 167); but this doesn’t mean that David’s son is the god of deliverance Himself.
--YZAK JOULE, DUEL GUNDAM PILOT
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Athrun Zala
(Login wargreymon_x) | Isaiah 9:6No score for this post | September 28 2006, 8:05 AM |
http://www.geocities.com/truthfinder_inc/truthfinder/verses_files/isaiah9_6.htm
Isaiah 9:6 is another verse that is erroneously used by those who believe in the deity of Christ.
Their belief stems from the segment of the prophecy which says, "And His name will be called Woderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
However, we should understand that the term "Mighty God" was not mentioned as one of the names of the child but as part of the name which, in Hebrew, is read as Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom (Is. 9:6, Jewish Publications Society of America). The explanation in the footnote to this verse in the Jewish Publications Society of America states:
"That is, wonderful in Counsel is God the Mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of Peace."
Hence, Smith-Goodspeed Translation rendered this verse thus:
" 'For us a child is born to us, a son is given to us; And the government will be upon his shoulder; And his name will be called 'Wonderful counselor is God almighty, Father forever, Prince of Peace'."
If Christ were the Mighty God referred to in the verse, so many questions would be left unanswered: Is God a child? Was God ever born? Was God ever give? If the giver is also God, wouldn't that make two gods? Other verses on the Bible would then be contradicted. Numbers 23:19 says, "God is not a man ... Nor a son of man "(NKJV). Malachi 2:10 states, Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?(Ibid.). John 20:17 records the pronouncements of our Lord Jesus Christ thus: "... I am ascending to My Father and you Father, and to My God and your God" (Ibid.).
Where did the government or authority upon the child's shoulder (the child being referred to is Christ) come from? Was it innate in the child? Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself made this clarification: Matthew 28:18, Ibid.
The authority that christ has was given to Him. He said, "My Father has given me all things" (Mt. 11:27, Today's English Version).
There is no doubt that God was the source of Christ's authority. This authority that christ has is, therefore, God-given.
--ATHRUN ZALA, JUSTICE GUNDAM PILOT
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(Login almansura) | makikisagot lang ng konti broNo score for this post | September 28 2006, 7:19 PM |
John 1:18
18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
Ginamit mo sa talata begotten God, or ung nasa talata cguro begotten God.
1 John 4:9
9By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him.
Pero ung dito begotten Son na,
Di kaya magkakaroon ng conflict ung mga talata kung papalitan nating begotten God ung Begotten Son?
Halimbawa:
John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Palitan mo ung begotten son ng begotten God, lumilitaw na Dalawa na ung God
Pano ung talata na SINABI NG Diyos na: WALANG IBANG DIYOS LIBAN SA AKIN
MADALI LANG INTINDIHIN ANG BIBLIA SA TAONG BUKAS ANG KAISIPAN
SUMA-ATIN NAWA ANG KAPAYAPAAN
MR. TAGURO
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